Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-05-21 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
On 05/09/09 07:33, Jerry Leichter wrote: I had a discussion with a guy at a company that was proposing to create secure credit cards by embedding a chip in the card and replacing some number of digits with an LCD display. The card would generate a unique card number for you when needed. They

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-05-09 Thread Jerry Leichter
On May 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ian G wrote: The difficulty with client certs is that I need them to also work on my laptop. And my other laptop. And my phone. So, how do I get hold of them when I'm on the road? Good point. The difficulty with my passwords is that I have so many that are so

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-05-09 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler
On 05/09/09 07:33, Jerry Leichter wrote: On May 8, 2009, at 3:39 PM, Ian G wrote: The difficulty with client certs is that I need them to also work on my laptop. And my other laptop. And my phone. So, how do I get hold of them when I'm on the road? Good point. The difficulty with my

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-05-06 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ben Laurie b...@links.org writes: Incidentally, the reason we don't use EKE (and many other useful schemes) is not because they don't solve our problems, its because the rights holders won't let us use them. That's not the reason, TLS-SRP isn't that annoyingly encumbered, and even the totally

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-04-30 Thread Ben Laurie
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: We've become prisoners of dogma here. In 1979, Bob Morris and Ken Thompson showed that passwords were guessable. In 1979, that was really novel. There was a lot of good work done in the next 15 years on that problem -- Spaf's empirical observations, Klein's '90

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-03-02 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Sat, 21 Feb 2009 11:33:32 -0800 Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: I submit that the most important password problem is not that someone may find it written somewhere. The most important password problem is that people forget it. So, writing it down and taking the easy precaution of not

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-24 Thread Ed Gerck
silky wrote: On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: (UI in use since 2000, for web access control and authorization) After you enter a usercode in the first screen, you are presented with a second screen to enter your password. The usercode is a mnemonic 6-character

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-24 Thread Ed Gerck
James A. Donald wrote: No one is going to check for the correct three letter combination, because it is not part of the work flow, so they will always forget to do it. Humans tend to notice patterns. We easily notice mispelngs. Your experience may be different but we found out in testing

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-24 Thread silky
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: [snip] Thanks for the comment. The BofA SiteKey attack you mention does not work for the web access scheme I mentioned because the usercode is private and random with a very large search space, and is always sent after SSL starts

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-24 Thread Ed Gerck
silky wrote: On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 8:30 AM, Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: [snip] Thanks for the comment. The BofA SiteKey attack you mention does not work for the web access scheme I mentioned because the usercode is private and random with a very large search space, and is always sent

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-24 Thread silky
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:23 PM, Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: [snip] What usercode? The point you are missing is that there are 2^35 private usercodes and you have no idea which one matches the email address that you want to sent your phishing email to. What you're missing is that it

Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-23 Thread Ed Gerck
List, In a business, one must write down the passwords and one must have a duplicate copy of it, with further backup, where management can access it. This is SOP. This is done not just in case the proverbial truck hits the employee, or fire strikes the building, or for the disgruntled

RE: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-23 Thread Dave Kleiman
On February 21, 2009 14:34, Ed Gerck wrote: In a business, one must write down the passwords and one must have a duplicate copy of it, with further backup, where management can access it. This is SOP. This is done not just in case the proverbial truck hits the employee, or fire strikes

Re: Solving password problems one at a time, Re: The password-reset paradox

2009-02-23 Thread silky
On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 6:33 AM, Ed Gerck edge...@nma.com wrote: List, In a business, one must write down the passwords and one must have a duplicate copy of it, with further backup, where management can access it. This is SOP. This is done not just in case the proverbial truck hits the