Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-11-03 Thread Tanja Lange
> Examples of side channel analysis on real systems I however have never > seen in the field. Any rumors would be highly appreciated. > At Crypto'08 a team from Bochum demonstrated their side-channel attack on KeeLoq. There were some theoretical attacks before but the SCA really broke it. KeeLoq

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-11-02 Thread Peter Gutmann
Wouter Slegers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Timing analysis is quite possible to pull of in straightforward >implementations as demonstrated over the Internet on OpenSSL prior to their >implementation of blinding ( >http://crypto.stanford.edu/~dabo/papers/ssl-timing.pdf). But frankly, I have >neve

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-11-02 Thread Wouter Slegers
L.S., Peter convinced my to publicly comment on this. Thierry Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>But they've all been unlocked using easier attacks, surely? That was also my first response. In evaluation labs specialized in checking devices (mostly smartcards and other financial devices) the w

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-11-01 Thread Ray Dillinger
On Thu, 2008-10-30 at 16:32 +1300, Peter Gutmann wrote: > Look at the XBox > attacks for example, there's everything from security 101 lack of > checking/validation and 1980s MSDOS-era A20# issues through to Bunnie Huang's > FPGA-based homebrew logic analyser and use of timing attacks to recover de

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-30 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:41:40 -0500 Thierry Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Does SCA protection enter the picture? Marginally at best. > You're forgetting the first questions you need to ask: who are your enemies, what are you trying to protect, and what can you enemy spend? And regardless of

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-30 Thread Thierry Moreau
Peter Gutmann wrote: Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Peter Gutmann wrote: Given the string of attacks on crypto in embedded devices (XBox, iPhone, iOpener, Wii, some not-yet-published ones on HDCP devices :-), etc) this is by far the most at-risk category because there's a huge ince

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-30 Thread Peter Gutmann
Ben Laurie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >Peter Gutmann wrote: >> Given the string of >> attacks on crypto in embedded devices (XBox, iPhone, iOpener, Wii, some >> not-yet-published ones on HDCP devices :-), etc) this is by far the most >> at-risk category because there's a huge incentive to attack t

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-27 Thread Ben Laurie
Peter Gutmann wrote: > In fact none of the people/organisations I queried about this fitted into any > of the proposed categories, it was all embedded devices, typically SCADA > systems, home automation, consumer electronics, that sort of thing, so it was > really a single category which was "Em

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-25 Thread Peter Gutmann
Thierry Moreau <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >I find the question should be refined. It could if there was a large enough repondent base to draw samples from :-). This is one of those surveys that can never be done because no vendor will publicly talk to you about security measures in their embed

Re: Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-24 Thread Jack Lloyd
On Mon, Oct 06, 2008 at 05:51:50PM +1300, Peter Gutmann wrote: > For the past several years I've been making a point of asking users of crypto > on embedded systems (which would be particularly good targets for side-channel > attacks, particularly ones that provide content-protection capabilities)

Who cares about side-channel attacks?

2008-10-24 Thread Peter Gutmann
For the past several years I've been making a point of asking users of crypto on embedded systems (which would be particularly good targets for side-channel attacks, particularly ones that provide content-protection capabilities) whether they'd consider enabling side-channel attack (SCA - no, no