Steven M. Bellovin writes, in part:
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| There's a limit to how far they can go with that, because of the fear
| of people abandoning the transponders.
| snip
| As for usage-based driving -- the first question is the political will
| to do so.
| snip
|
The relationship to this list may then be thin
excepting that the collection and handling of
such data remains of substantial interest.
Actually, it points to cash settlement of road tolls.
That's not unknown. On the Niagara Falls toll bridges, they have an
ETC system where you buy your
On 27 aug, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Finally, the transponders may not matter much longer; OCR on license
plates is getting that good. As has already been mentioned, the 407
ETR road in Toronto already relies on this to some extent; it won't be
too much longer before the human assist is all
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:16:23PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Finally, the transponders may not matter much longer; OCR on license
plates is getting that good. As has already been mentioned, the 407
ETR road in Toronto already relies on this to some extent; it won't be
too much longer
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:49:20 +0200
Eugen Leitl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 12:16:23PM -0400, Steven M. Bellovin wrote:
Finally, the transponders may not matter much longer; OCR on license
plates is getting that good. As has already been mentioned, the 407
ETR road
Sherri Davidoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Look for general tracking to appear everywhere.
Anonymous travel is dead. Even for subway riders who still use tokens
and citizens that bicycle around town, the proliferation of cameras,
facial recognition technology,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_Collect is in operation in entire
Germany. It does OCR on all license plates (also used for police
purposes in realtime, despite initial vigorous denial) but currently
is only used for truck toll.
How well does that actually work? There were many articles
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:55:57 +0200
Stefan Kelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_Collect is in operation in entire
Germany. It does OCR on all license plates (also used for police
purposes in realtime, despite initial vigorous denial) but
currently is only used
everything forever. With disk prices falling
as they are, keeping everything is cheaper
than careful selective deletion, that's for
sure.
I disagree.
We've been helping the German Toll Collect system (as
discussed in this thread as well) setting up and implementing
their data privacy
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 06:03:14PM +0200, Stefan Kelm wrote:
We've been helping the German Toll Collect system (as
discussed in this thread as well) setting up and implementing
their data privacy concept. This concept requires Toll Collect
to delete almost any data after a certain (quite
Bill Frantz writes, in part:
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| In the San Francisco Bay Area, they are using the transponder codes
| to measure how fast traffic is moving from place to place. They
| post the times to various destinations on the electric signs when
| there are no Amber alerts or
On Aug 27, 2008, at 7:10 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The relationship to this list may then be thin
excepting that the collection and handling of
such data remains of substantial interest.
Actually, it points to cash settlement of road tolls.
Most likely digital bearer transaction
On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:10:51 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill Frantz writes, in part:
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| In the San Francisco Bay Area, they are using the transponder codes
| to measure how fast traffic is moving from place to place. They
| post the times to various
Personally, I don't want to have a history of my travel stored in any
database. Right now, purchasing a one-time CharlieTicket is a 30 cent
surcharge per ride, but it is the only way to take the subway in Boston
without creating a travel history. Privacy in public transportation
should
Drivers using the automated FasTrak toll system on roads and
bridges in California's Bay Area could be vulnerable to fraud,
according to a computer security firm in Oakland, CA.
Despite previous reassurances about the security of the system,
Nate Lawson of Root Labs claims that
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/21301/?a=f
From the article: other toll systems, like E-Z Pass and I-Pass, need
to be looked at too
A couple years ago I got a letter from E-Z Pass a few days after I
used my
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Perry E. Metzger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Despite previous reassurances about the security of the system,
Nate Lawson of Root Labs claims that the unique identity numbers
used to identify the FasTrak wireless transponders carried in cars
can be copied
On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Perry E. Metzger
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://www.technologyreview.com/Infotech/21301/?a=f
From the article: other toll systems, like E-Z Pass and I-Pass, need
to be looked at too
A couple years ago I
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 10:52 -0400, Matt Blaze wrote:
On Aug 26, 2008, at 10:15, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
So, I believe, at least for E-Z Pass, the attack would have to include
cloning the license plate and pictures may still be available whenever
a victim realizes they have been charged for
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Dustin D. Trammell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the same for the state-wide Texas tag, TxTag[1]. If your tag
doesn't register, or you disable or remove it, the toll system can still
accurately bill you based on your license plate and vehicle
registration.
So, I believe, at least for E-Z Pass, the attack would have to include
cloning the license plate and pictures may still be available whenever
a victim realizes they have been charged for trips they did not take.
The 407 toll road in Toronto uses entirely automated toll collection.
They
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 13:22 -0400, Ken Buchanan wrote:
On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM, Dustin D. Trammell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
This is the same for the state-wide Texas tag, TxTag[1]. If your tag
doesn't register, or you disable or remove it, the toll system can still
accurately
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Buchanan) on Tuesday, August 26, 2008 wrote:
I think this is a bit different than what Michael Heyman said. TxTag,
IIRC, was implemented by the same company (Raytheon) that implemented
the 407 ETR toll system in Toronto. In the case of the 407, there is
no image
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