Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-05 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 12:46 AM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 5/11/12 09:45 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, d...@geer.org wrote: ... In practice, the 7 layer model was not an implementation recipe - TCP/IP in the broader Internet sense showed that

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-05 Thread CodesInChaos
You could look into CurveCP for inspiration. It's UDP based, and its connections survive if the IP of the client changes. That's because it uses the client's public key as connection identifier instead of the IP. But you can't use it directly, since you need FIPS ciphers. You'll also need to

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-05 Thread ianG
On 4/11/12 10:17 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:25 PM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 1/11/12 10:55 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone aware of of application layer encryption protocols with session management tuned for use on

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-04 Thread Thierry Moreau
ianG wrote: On 1/11/12 10:55 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone aware of of application layer encryption protocols with session management tuned for use on cellular networks? [...] From that description your problem isn't at the

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, d...@geer.org wrote: ... In practice, the 7 layer model was not an implementation recipe - TCP/IP in the broader Internet sense showed that engineering required working with the tech of the time, not the abstractions from some CS class or government

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-04 Thread ianG
On 5/11/12 09:45 AM, Jeffrey Walton wrote: On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 9:08 PM, d...@geer.org wrote: ... In practice, the 7 layer model was not an implementation recipe - TCP/IP in the broader Internet sense showed that engineering required working with the tech of the time, not the

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-03 Thread ianG
On 1/11/12 10:55 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone aware of of application layer encryption protocols with session management tuned for use on cellular networks? [...] From that description your problem isn't at the encryption-protocol level at

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-11-03 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 6:25 PM, ianG i...@iang.org wrote: On 1/11/12 10:55 AM, Peter Gutmann wrote: Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone aware of of application layer encryption protocols with session management tuned for use on cellular networks? [...] From that

Re: [cryptography] Application Layer Encryption Protocols Tuned for Cellular?

2012-10-31 Thread Peter Gutmann
Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com writes: Is anyone aware of of application layer encryption protocols with session management tuned for use on cellular networks? [...] From that description your problem isn't at the encryption-protocol level at all, you need a reliable transport mechanism for