Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-04-04 Thread Ian Grigg
Arnold G. Reinhold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Army actually has a training course (from 1990) on-line that describes such a system in detail. The cipher system, called DRYAD is covered in https://hosta.atsc.eustis.army.mil/cgi-bin/atdl.dll/accp/is1100/ch4.htm . Your description fits, it

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-04-03 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 2:15 PM -0500 4/1/03, Ian Grigg wrote: Some comments from about a decade ago. The way it used to work in the Army (that I was in) within a battalion, is that there was a little code book, with a sheet for a 6 hour stretch. Each sheet has a simple matrix for encoding letters, etc. Everyone had

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-04-01 Thread Ben Laurie
Eric Rescorla wrote: John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember, the cypherpunks ... secured any Web traffic Credit where it's due. Netscape was responsible for this. Only for the client side (and the protocol, of course). Cheers, Ben. -- http://www.apache-ssl.org/ben.html

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 07:38:29PM -0500, reusch wrote: | Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look | at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. | | I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would | expect that all US military communications, even trivial

RE: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Trei, Peter
reusch[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would expect that all US military communications, even trivial ones, are

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003, reusch wrote: I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would expect that all US military communications, even trivial ones, Trivial ones are voice radio. Nontrivially to encrypt (mil people tend to be conservative), unlike teletype (I've used NEMP-proof

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Peter Wayner
At 7:38 PM -0500 3/30/03, reusch wrote: Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. I showed this link to a friend who fixes helicopters for the Army/Marines. He was incredulous at first, but then said, Oh, they probably just

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread (Mr) Lyn R. Kennedy
On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 07:38:29PM -0500, reusch wrote: I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would expect that all US military communications, even trivial ones, are strongly encrypted, given the ease of doing this. Someone, more well informed, please reassure me that

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread John Gilmore
I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. 1. Look for plaintext. This was rule #1 stated by Robert Morris Sr. in his lecture to the annual Crypto conference after retiring as NSA's chief scientist. You'd be amazed how much of it is floating around out there, even in military

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread reusch
At 12:51 PM 3/31/03 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 07:38:29PM -0500, reusch wrote: | Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look | at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. | | I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would | expect

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Chazzchezz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The real problem is that flaky encrypted comms are a tactical problem so it is often better to use clear comms when time is the issue. Not too helpful to know what's about to happen if you can't do anything about it anyway. -- This is a

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Adam Shostack
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 01:17:43PM -0500, Peter Wayner wrote: | He went on to talk about crypto as if it was something like fuel or | food. He said, They probably loaded up 4 or 5 days of crypto at the | beginning, but then they had to turn it off after the supply lines | got muddled. | | So

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Dave Howe
reusch wrote: Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. I'm amazed at their claims of radio interception. One would expect that all US military communications, even trivial ones, are strongly encrypted, given the ease of

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Eric Rescorla
John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember, the cypherpunks ... secured any Web traffic Credit where it's due. Netscape was responsible for this. -Ekr -- [Eric Rescorla [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.rtfm.com/

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread (Mr) Lyn R. Kennedy
On Mon, Mar 31, 2003 at 02:59:11PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am much more concerned about the apparent lack of good IFF (missile batteries lighting up the RAF plane that they then shot down; the USAF plane that reacted to being lit up by firing at and destroying the ground radar;

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Arnold G. Reinhold
At 2:10 PM -0500 3/31/03, reusch wrote: ... Nosing around on the same site, one finds How military radio communications are intercepted http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news071.htm Searching for SINCGARS indicates that all US military radios have encryption capabilities, which can be turned

Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread Lucky Green
Eric Rescorla wrote: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 23:42 To: John Gilmore Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications? John Gilmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Remember, the cypherpunks ... secured any Web traffic Credit where it's due

RE: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications?

2003-03-31 Thread dave
, 2003 13:18 To: reusch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Russia Intercepts US Military Communications? At 7:38 PM -0500 3/30/03, reusch wrote: Via the Cryptome, http://www.cryptome.org/, RU sure, look at http://www.aeronautics.ru/news/news002/news082.htm. I showed this link to a friend who fixes