[css-d] Firefox Focus prob. solved

2008-11-05 Thread wlb
Thanks to Mustafa and Philippe, my problem is now solved. I added the overflow:hidden to the li and it worked like a charm. I guess there is no way to get rid of the red/blue focussing rings altogether. I thought that no-decoration would do it, but that didn't work. Not a really big deal, but a

Re: [css-d] help for an IE bug

2008-11-05 Thread ray
yeah, it works. This is the second bug I encountered whose root cause is the hasLayout problem. What a stupid bug. Thanks. On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ray wrote: Look at this page http://www.soundbowl.com/test.html in IE7. The outer div has a

[css-d] CSS and cookie

2008-11-05 Thread Nicolas Graner
Hello all, I am not sure if this is a HTTP question or a CSS question. The situation : 1) a static HTML page at domain1.com references a CSS stylesheet at domain2.com 2) the user agent has previously received a cookie for the domain2.com domain Questions : will the user agent send the cookie

[css-d] Help using the mailing list with Outlook Mail Filtering

2008-11-05 Thread MEM
This is a meta-css question: :) Any of you are using this mailing list with Outlook and a rule to filter mails from this mailing list ? If so, can you please give me the configurations that work with you. I have tried to make a lot of rules but, the message does not goes out from my main

Re: [css-d] Strange behavior in Firefox

2008-11-05 Thread Mustafa
On Nov 5, 2008, at 20:01 wlb wrote: Thanks to Mustafa and Philippe, my problem is now solved. I added the overflow:hidden to the li and it worked like a charm. I guess there is no way to get rid of the red/blue focussing rings altogether. I thought that no-decoration would do it, but that

[css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread ray
Hi, all What is the best way of forcing a container box enclose its floats? clear:both is not good, because it would make the cleared element below all previous floats. It's inappropriate on a column setup layout. I also tested overflow:auto, but in many times an annoying scroll bar appears. How

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of ray Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:01 AM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best? Hi, all What is the best way of forcing a container box

Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-05 Thread Drew Trusz
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Doug Jolley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just noticed that apparently the full spectrum of list-style-types apply equally to both ordered lists and unordered lists. So, ordered lists can have a list-style-type of disc and unordered lists can have a list-style-type

[css-d] Pop Up Window image not centered in IE7

2008-11-05 Thread Rod Castello
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Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-05 Thread Keith DiSarno
Also, going back to its HTML history, screen readers (for the handicapped) recognize the inherent 'orderliness' of a ol, over an ul. IMHO, listing the ingredients needed in a recipe need not have the same precedence as the recipe instructions. Two cents poorer, Keith D.

[css-d] Pop Up Window image not centered in IE7

2008-11-05 Thread Rod Castello
In IE7 the pop up window image is shifted to the right so only half the image shows. I am unable to fix as I don't have IE7 installed and can't check my fixes. I can't view in browsershots.org either, since it has to be popped up to see the problem. Here's the link to the page it's popped

Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-05 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Drew Trusz wrote: No an ordered list can't have a disc and an unordered list can't be numbered. Of course they can. Whether you should style them that way is debatable, but surely you can, by the specs and in practice. When in doubt read the specs: HTML specs only specify a suggested

Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-05 Thread Doug Jolley
the distinction clearer by specifiying the available type attributes for both ol and ul. And I think that if you do it with the type attribute, you are indeed limited. Including a 'type=disc' attribute in an ol element is undoubtedly going to cause the document to fail validation. However, I

[css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Brett
Is there a way to set text attributes separately for Windows/PC machines? Windows displays text larger than on a Mac so I'd like to adjust all text for the PC to better match the MAC. Can this be done? I have used the underscore _hack to target IE, but I really need to target all PC/Windows

Re: [css-d] Ordered and Unordered Lists

2008-11-05 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Doug Jolley wrote: Including a 'type=disc' attribute in an ol element is undoubtedly going to cause the document to fail validation. No it isn't. Check it. (It passes validation, because the type attribute in ol is declared as CDATA, which pretty much means anything goes as far as validation

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread David Laakso
Brett wrote: Is there a way to set text attributes separately for Windows/PC machines? Windows displays text larger than on a Mac so I'd like to adjust all text for the PC to better match the MAC. Can this be done? I have used the underscore _hack to target IE, but I really need to

Re: [css-d] CSS tables

2008-11-05 Thread Ingo Chao
Blake wrote: On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 8:54 AM, Ingo Chao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This will slow down new inventions a bit - which is good Actually, I said: ... which is good since the conforming browsers are not as free of bugs as some may believe. What? Restricting innovation is never ever

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Brett
For example, Win2000 in IE6 and FF2.0, both browsers display the text much larger. David Laakso wrote: Brett wrote: Is there a way to set text attributes separately for Windows/PC machines? Windows displays text larger than on a Mac so I'd like to adjust all text for the PC to better

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brett wrote: Is there a way to set text attributes separately for Windows/PC machines? Windows displays text larger than on a Mac so I'd like to adjust all text for the PC to better match the MAC. Can this be done? I have used the underscore _hack to target IE, but I really need to

[css-d] Footerstick variation needed

2008-11-05 Thread Debbie Campbell
I'm using one of the footerstick methods (I forget which one I finally decided to use - this one is closest to the effect I want) and I'm having a problem in FF, IE7, Safari and Opera. This hasn't been checked in IE6 yet. http://www.redkitecreative.com/projects/hixon/ The footer's in the

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread David Laakso
Brett wrote: For example, Win2000 in IE6 and FF2.0, both browsers display the text much larger. In what PC operating system and in what PC browsers and browser versions is the text larger than on a Mac? Is IE/6 set at default (text--size medium) and Firefox/2.0 set at

[css-d] List background in IE 6 and earlier and condition comments

2008-11-05 Thread adamq
Hi, I am new to this dicussion board and this is my first question. I'm following a tutorial in a book about creating horizontal navigation. Because IE 6 and earlier does not support the first-child element, the books recommends to apply a class to the list item to remove the background image

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Brett
Georg, Thanks. Of course you are right, there are way too many variables to make every OS and every browser look exactly the same, and it's a fools dream to attempt it. I really just want to have the text size a bit closer between the two platforms. I design on a MAC and I try to set text

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Brett
David, Yes, both of the browsers are set to display the normal text size. __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ List policies --

[css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Ce Ce
These days with the ability of most modern browsers to zoom in on an entire page (rather than just a text zoom), is it worth it to use ems or percentages rather than pixels for element and text sizing? If pixels are the most consistent measurement and not subject to inheritance -- would it be best

Re: [css-d] List background in IE 6 and earlier and condition comments

2008-11-05 Thread Ingo Chao
adamq wrote: ... Because IE 6 and earlier does not support the first-child element, the books recommends to apply a class to the list item to remove the background image in these browsers. Using conditional comments to apply this workaround seems best, but I cannot figure out why the

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread David Laakso
Brett wrote: David, Yes, both of the browsers are set to display the normal text size. Then I suppose the good news is it is highly unlikely any user will be running around with a pixel ruler comparing the page's font sizes among operating systems or even among browsers on the same

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Ce Ce wrote: These days with the ability of most modern browsers to zoom in on an entire page (rather than just a text zoom), is it worth it to use ems or percentages rather than pixels for element and text sizing? This is a design decision rather than practical CSS authoring (which we try

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread David Laakso
Ce Ce wrote: These days with the ability of most modern browsers to zoom in on an entire page (rather than just a text zoom), is it worth it to use ems or percentages rather than pixels for element and text sizing? If pixels are the most consistent measurement and not subject to inheritance --

[css-d] Naming conventions

2008-11-05 Thread Tim Offenstein
A general question: is it a really bad idea to use default HTML selectors as ID names in CSS. For instance I'm evaluating a site where they've designated an ID as body and I've seen similar examples elsewhere. I always advise against this simply for clarity sake but wondered if there were more

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Ce Ce
What I am asking is that ideally -- in the past -- we've developed our web pages with CSS to expand both horizontally and vertically so that when someone chose a larger font size the page would expand accordingly. Now that browsers have the ability to page zoom (rather than just text zoom) is the

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Blake
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Ce Ce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that browsers have the ability to page zoom (rather than just text zoom) is the importance of horizontal and vertical expansion a moot point? http://bryanrieger.com/issues/mobile-screens-and-pixel-sizes/ Desktop browsers

Re: [css-d] Naming conventions

2008-11-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of Tim Offenstein Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 2:30 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] Naming conventions A general question: is it a really bad idea to use default

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Ce Ce
Thanks Blake. An interesting link. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Blake [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 9:49 AM, Ce Ce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that browsers have the ability to page zoom (rather than just text zoom) is the importance of horizontal and vertical

Re: [css-d] Define text attributes only for Windows

2008-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Brett wrote: Georg, Thanks. Of course you are right, there are way too many variables to make every OS and every browser look exactly the same, and it's a fools dream to attempt it. I really just want to have the text size a bit closer between the two platforms. Make sure your PC and

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Ce Ce wrote: What I am asking is that ideally -- in the past -- we've developed our web pages with CSS to expand both horizontally and vertically so that when someone chose a larger font size the page would expand accordingly. Now that browsers have the ability to page zoom (rather than

Re: [css-d] page expansion

2008-11-05 Thread Ce Ce
Thanks Georg for such a thoughtful answer. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 7:40 PM, Gunlaug Sørtun [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ce Ce wrote: What I am asking is that ideally -- in the past -- we've developed our web pages with CSS to expand both horizontally and vertically so that when someone chose a

Re: [css-d] Footerstick variation needed

2008-11-05 Thread David Hucklesby
On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 14:13:35 -0700, Debbie Campbell wrote: I'm using one of the footerstick methods (I forget which one I finally decided to use - this one is closest to the effect I want) and I'm having a problem in FF, IE7, Safari and Opera. This hasn't been checked in IE6 yet.

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread ray
I know this way. But it is not appropriate for the columns layout(one or all are float columns), because the cleared element would stay below ALL previous floats. This problem is mentioned at the bottom of that page(easy clearing). Thanks for your reply. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Serge

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:12 PM, Serge Krul [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, What is the best way of forcing a container box enclose its floats? From my experience the best way is to use the easy clearinghttp://www.positioniseverything.net/easyclearing.html technique. It's far more

[css-d] New CSS book

2008-11-05 Thread Alan K Baker
Hi all. http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780980455229/?CMP=EMC-E2H238907668#top points to a book Everything You Know About CSS is Wrong! Has anyone seen this? Is this a ruse by Microsoft to get everyone to switch to IE8? Comments appreciated before I commit $30. :-) Regards, Alan.

Re: [css-d] New CSS book

2008-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Alan K Baker wrote: http://oreilly.com/catalog/9780980455229/?CMP=EMC-E2H238907668#top points to a book Everything You Know About CSS is Wrong! Has anyone seen this? Is this a ruse by Microsoft to get everyone to switch to IE8? Comments appreciated before I commit $30. :-) Those who are

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread ray
Yeah, I can see the problem. But in most cases we would set a left margin on the content div to reserve space for the left column, so this issue may not that important. I think the big problem of this clearing way is that the cleared element would stay below *All* previous floats, see this demo:

[css-d] Pop Up Window image not centered in IE7

2008-11-05 Thread Rod Castello
In IE7 the pop up window image is shifted to the right so only half the image shows. I am unable to fix it as I don't have IE7 installed and can't check my fixes. I can't view in browsershots.org either, since it has to be popped up to see the problem. Here's the link to the page it's popped

Re: [css-d] New CSS book

2008-11-05 Thread Jo
It's a SitePoint book. I have bought it and had a quick read of the PDF version, and like the rest of their books, it looks great. It explores the new CSS table solutions, how to cope with old browsers while doing so, CSs layout, Mulit-column layout, grid positioning and template layout. (I'm

Re: [css-d] List background in IE 6 and earlier and condition comments

2008-11-05 Thread adamq
It seems it was my stand alone IE that I was testing with afterall, which did not work with conditional comments. I downloaded an installer from elsewhere cited in the book that enables me to install multiple stand alone versions of IE 6, and earlier, all in one installer package, and test

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of ray Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:51 PM To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best? Yeah, I can see the problem. But in most cases we would

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
ray wrote: Yeah, I can see the problem. But in most cases we would set a left margin on the content div to reserve space for the left column, so this issue may not that important. We would..? I would hardly ever do that... Sorry, but I see no point in looking for the best overall method,

Re: [css-d] Is overflow:hidden the best?

2008-11-05 Thread ray
No, I overwritten it, just the same name. :) On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 12:38 PM, Thierry Koblentz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] discuss.org] On Behalf Of ray Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2008 7:51 PM To: