Re: [css-d] tables now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3

2011-03-22 Thread Tim Dawson
A point I've not seen anyone make here (apologies if I missed some postings) is that tables are still required for reliable (?) layout in HTML e-mails. So perhaps it's as well that they be legitimate. It doesn't mean we are required to use them for layout in browsers. On 17/03/2011 18:20,

Re: [css-d] tables now a legitimate presentational device for layout according to W3

2011-03-22 Thread Gabriele Romanato
Tables shouldn't be used in e-mails either, because we don't know how screen readers and other assistive technologies use the output produced by an email client. If the output is serialized, implying that only text will be read aloud, there tables or not tables doesn't make any difference.

[css-d] Bottom nav div won't drop

2011-03-22 Thread Kim Brooks Wei
Hi People, On this page http://is.gd/xx2hgi I can't get my btmnav div to drop. I tried putting a bottom margin on the content div above it, and a top margin on the btmnav div, but no joy. How do I fix this? Kimi -- [ Kimi Wei thewei.com @kimiwei (t) 862.203.8814 p o box 626 fair lawn, nj

Re: [css-d] Bottom nav div won't drop

2011-03-22 Thread David Laakso
On 3/22/11 10:23 AM, Kim Brooks Wei wrote: Hi People, On this page http://is.gd/xx2hgi I can't get my btmnav div to drop. I tried putting a bottom margin on the content div above it, and a top margin on the btmnav div, but no joy. How do I fix this? Kimi Hi Gentleperson, Drop? Is

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread John Hannon
Thank you, Alan. I see your screenshot and you've got a great with a wealth of knowledge, but I don't understand how to fix it. How do you get around a minimum font setting? On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:39 PM, Alan Gresley a...@css-class.com wrote: On 22/03/2011 1:05 PM, John Hannon wrote:

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread John Hannon
Thanks, Nancy. I'm a newbie to CSS, what are the Meyer reset values? Are they a set of steps I can go through. I certainly need to learn more about browser bugs. On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 7:29 PM, Nancy Seeger nsee...@artsassistance.com wrote: Hi John, This is a bit hard to sort through, it

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread G.Sørtun
I'm a newbie to CSS, what are the Meyer reset values? Are they a set of steps I can go through. Sort of, but the essence is: *don't expect various browsers to agree on anything, so set all properties/values you need even if one or more browsers seem to do just fine without them.* I

[css-d] space below header

2011-03-22 Thread Ryan -
Hello,You can notice on this page, http://grou.ps/et that in IE there is a lot less space than in Chrome or Firefox in between the header and the rest of the content. In Chrome and in Firefox the content looks about 50-80 px lower below the header than it does in IE? I would like to have the

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread Felix Miata
On 2011/03/22 08:10 (GMT-0700) John Hannon composed: How do you get around a minimum font setting? Minimum font size, like zoom, is a browser defense mechanism provided by browser makers for use against offensive web sites, more power for the user to counteract the power provided designers

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread David Laakso
On 3/22/11 11:10 AM, John Hannon wrote: How do you get around a minimum font setting? Speak softly and carry a big stick; you will go far. Among things that help-- Set user default on body and let it inherit default throughout the style sheet. Don't set height on text-bearing blocks.

Re: [css-d] change in height of navigation bar

2011-03-22 Thread John D
Thanks, Nancy. I'm a newbie to CSS, what are the Meyer reset values? Are they a set of steps I can go through. I certainly need to learn more about browser bugs. Try this link about Meyer Reset Values: http://meyerweb.com/eric/tools/css/reset/ hth

Re: [css-d] space below header

2011-03-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Ryan - wrote: Hello,You can notice on this page, http://grou.ps/et that in IE there is a lot less space than in Chrome or Firefox in between the header and the rest of the content. There are over 100 markup errors on the page, as reported by the W3C Markup Validator, and over 100 CSS errors