Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-24 Thread david
Del Wegener wrote: >> Jukka K. Korpela wrote: >>> On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: >>> that each line is easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line spacing and left/right margins. > > Just to add my two cents worth. When writing mathematics one frequently

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-23 Thread Del Wegener
> Jukka K. Korpela wrote: >> On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: >> >>> that each line is >>> easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line >>> spacing and left/right margins. Just to add my two cents worth. When writing mathematics one frequently must display a formula whi

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Blake Haswell wrote: > david wrote: >> Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or >> poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is >> easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line >> spacing and left/right margins. > > But each

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > >> Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or >> poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is >> easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line >> spacing and left/ri

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > >> Why would you need to do all that? You just put your inline quotation or >> program code in its own paragraph and adjust your margins that way. Why >> would you need to use :before or :after pseudo-elements at all? > > If I have, sa

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Francesco Rizzi
On 5/22/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: > > > Of course, in XHTML 2.0, they will be doing away with the tag. > > Don't count this as a victory. They're replacing it with the The > quick brown ... syntax. So, clearly, the W3C believ

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread ianm
> On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: > >> I think there are only two really appropriate ways to mark-up poetry. >> Using tags, or using paragraphs to mark-up the stanza's and the >> tag to show line-breaks. Possibly using an OL to mark it up as an >> ordered list, but that's only an option

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Tue, 22 May 2007, Blake Haswell wrote: > I think there are only two really appropriate ways to mark-up poetry. > Using tags, or using paragraphs to mark-up the stanza's and the > tag to show line-breaks. Possibly using an OL to mark it up as an > ordered list, but that's only an option if you

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Blake Haswell
david wrote: > Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or > poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is > easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line > spacing and left/right margins. But each line is *not* a paragraph. Each

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > Update: after posting that, I saw someone else mention song lyrics or > poetry. Being a writer of both, all I can say is - that each line is > easily handled as a separate paragraph, with CSS controlling line > spacing and left/right margins. I don't think it's

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > Why would you need to do all that? You just put your inline quotation or > program code in its own paragraph and adjust your margins that way. Why > would you need to use :before or :after pseudo-elements at all? If I have, say, a text paragraph that mentions a

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread david
Philippe Wittenbergh wrote: > On May 22, 2007, at 3:32 PM, david wrote: > >>> I would be interested in seeing your pure css solution for inserting a >>> carriage return in the middle of a paragraph (or similar block element >>> which is semantically a single unit, but nevertheless needs a newline

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-22 Thread Philippe Wittenbergh
On May 22, 2007, at 3:32 PM, david wrote: >> I would be interested in seeing your pure css solution for >> inserting a >> carriage return in the middle of a paragraph (or similar block >> element >> which is semantically a single unit, but nevertheless needs a >> newline) >> without adding

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread david
Jukka K. Korpela wrote: > On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > >> Why would you need to start a new line in the middle of a paragraph? I >> think that if you think about it, you'll find you're doing it to put a >> different item inside it, like a list? > > A fairly common case is a longish express

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread david
david wrote: > Richard Grevers wrote: >> On 5/21/07, Bob Easton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Francesco Rizzi wrote: So, my question for the list is: why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of tags ? >>> Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
On Mon, 21 May 2007, david wrote: > Why would you need to start a new line in the middle of a paragraph? I > think that if you think about it, you'll find you're doing it to put a > different item inside it, like a list? A fairly common case is a longish expression, such as an inline quotation o

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Melianor
Different solution: Content and style the p element accordingly to achieve the spacing with different margins/paddings for top and bottom. You save code and the whole thing becomes more clear to read aswell. Inside the p element feel free to use . br is a line break, nothing else. Its not somethin

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread david
Richard Grevers wrote: > On 5/21/07, Bob Easton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Francesco Rizzi wrote: >>> So, my question for the list is: >>> why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of tags ? >> Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use >> technologies for

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Blake Haswell
and have > no semantic value. Those are presentational markup that should never > have been in HTML. I disagree. In terms of song lyrics, poetry, and sometimes even mailing addresses I generally think that is a perfectly acceptable solution that *does* have semantic value and fulfils the requi

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Richard Grevers
On 5/21/07, Bob Easton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Francesco Rizzi wrote: > > > > So, my question for the list is: > > why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of tags ? > > Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use > technologies for their intended, and st

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-21 Thread Bob Easton
Francesco Rizzi wrote: > > So, my question for the list is: > why should we use css rules in this scenario instead of tags ? Let's call it separating content (HTML) from presentation (CSS). Use technologies for their intended, and standards compliant, purposes. Use 1) Use HTML for well struc

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-20 Thread Francesco Rizzi
On 5/19/07, Roger Roelofs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. Your site needs visual consistency. Using css helps that. > 2. CSS gives you more control over how much vertical space you want. > 3. The cleaner/more semantic/smaller your html, the easier it is to > maintain. > 4. Using html element

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Ernie Finlay
If you don't want to use CSS,why not add several to get the space you require.? From: "Francesco Rizzi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: css-d@lists.css-discuss.org Subject: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:05:33 -0400 Consider an h

Re: [css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Reed Underwood
On 5/19/07, Francesco Rizzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Consider an hypothetical situation: > the project requirements call for some vertical space between a certain > element on your web page (picture an horizontal line, like an hr), and a > second element (picture a textbox). > > There's many wa

[css-d] Vertical Space Grudge Match: br vs css

2007-05-19 Thread Francesco Rizzi
Consider an hypothetical situation: the project requirements call for some vertical space between a certain element on your web page (picture an horizontal line, like an hr), and a second element (picture a textbox). There's many ways you can achieve this effect. My instinct would be to give the s