Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
This might help: http://www.campaignmonitor.com/guides/mobile I believe they talk about client support, even if you aren't doing responsive. I have another page bookmarked and will pass it on when I get in the office. T Sent from my iPhone On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:09 PM,

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Peter H.
On Sep 5, 2013, at 10:09 PM, vi...@graymatterstudios.ca wrote: Hi. I have been lurking in this forum for a few years and have learned quite a bit from reading the posts. Now I have a question to ask. I am coding an html eBlast and have most of the CSS as inline but I also have quite a

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 10:09 PM, vi...@graymatterstudios.ca wrote: Hi. I have been lurking in this forum for a few years and have learned quite a bit from reading the posts. Now I have a question to ask. I am coding an html eBlast and have most of the CSS as inline but I also have quite a

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Chris Rockwell
Thanks for sharing the links Tom, I see some good stuff there. I have found (we run seasonal campaigns so it's been a few months) that we still need to use the font tag, especially for Outlook. I look forward to trying it without though. On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:27 AM, Tom Livingston

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Chris Rockwell ch...@chrisrockwell.com wrote: Thanks for sharing the links Tom, I see some good stuff there. I have found (we run seasonal campaigns so it's been a few months) that we still need to use the font tag, especially for Outlook. I look forward to

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Philip Taylor
Tom Livingston wrote: I should have mentioned that the inline font styling we do is generally set on the td tag. With the possible need to repeat on elements inside the td such as lis, but it's been a bit since I was in an email so I'm not remembering it all. Above all, test, test, and

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 9:13 AM, Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Tom Livingston wrote: I should have mentioned that the inline font styling we do is generally set on the td tag. With the possible need to repeat on elements inside the td such as lis, but it's been a bit since I was

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Philip Taylor
Tom Livingston wrote: If I misread your post's intent, then I apologize for my tone. Your tone was absolutely fine, Tom, and no offense was clearly intended, nor was any taken. But I do think you may have misunderstood my message. I am not advocating eschewing media queries, or any similar

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
Well, now there I definitely agree with you! But, I think, in the mean time, if you want the control of CSS (inline styles), you have to put up with the downsides. I will say to me repeating on lis is the same as having to repeat on tds for nested tables, which, if I remember right, you had to do

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Philip Taylor
Chris Rockwell wrote: If my boss' wife (or one of my freelance clients husbands) views one of our sites on a 2005 laptop and shows him what it looks like in IE7 I don't think You'll have to file a bug report with Microsoft to get that fixed is going to fly. But that is exactly the

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Chris Rockwell wrote: If my boss' wife (or one of my freelance clients husbands) views one of our sites on a 2005 laptop and shows him what it looks like in IE7 I don't think You'll have to file a bug report with

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Chris Rockwell
We can't expect every engineering team to interpret *fluid* standards in the same way. Progress is being made by the vendors; it may be due to competition, developer up roars, increasing cooperation between vendors on working towards standardization, better engineers, or something else, but it

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread vince
Thanks everyone for all the helpful info and links. I have a lot to read over now. Vince Mendella, CGD graymatter studios On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 10:33:54 -0400, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 10:28 AM, Philip Taylor p.tay...@rhul.ac.uk wrote: Chris Rockwell

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-09-06 11:50 (GMT-0400) vi...@graymatterstudios.ca composed: Thanks everyone for all the helpful info and links. I have a lot to read over now. A bit more to consider: 1-Some people set their email readers to force display of message body as plain text. If not sent as MIME to include

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 1:18 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2013-09-06 11:50 (GMT-0400) vi...@graymatterstudios.ca composed: Thanks everyone for all the helpful info and links. I have a lot to read over now. A bit more to consider: 1-Some people set their email readers to

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Felix Miata
On 2013-09-06 14:11 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: Services I've used, like MailChimp, Campaign Monitor and Marketo force a text version to be made. If you don't do it, the system will do it for you (so make sure you check it!). Would this cover what you speak of Felix? I suppose. I

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Tom Livingston
Speak of the devil: https://twitter.com/meyerweb/status/376053792749268993 On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 2:29 PM, Felix Miata mrma...@earthlink.net wrote: On 2013-09-06 14:11 (GMT-0400) Tom Livingston composed: Services I've used, like MailChimp, Campaign Monitor and Marketo force a text version

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-06 Thread Robert A. Rosenberg
At 14:52 +0100 on 09/06/2013, Philip Taylor wrote about Re: [css-d] html email with css: What I do think is pandering to the manufacturers is using inline styles because they are too lazy to parse styles found in the head region, repeating styles in inner elements because they are too lazy

[css-d] html email with css

2013-09-05 Thread vince
Hi. I have been lurking in this forum for a few years and have learned quite a bit from reading the posts. Now I have a question to ask. I am coding an html eBlast and have most of the CSS as inline but I also have quite a bit of css in the head. It seems MailChimp strips out the css in the

Re: [css-d] html email with css

2013-09-05 Thread Chris Rockwell
It has been my experience that the non-inline styles are poorly implemented in email clients, if at all, with Outlook being the worst but Gmail having some issues as well. For the time being, we use tables and inline styles for our emails. We use phplist, so I can't speak to why MailChimp is doing