Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-06 Thread Jukka K. Korpela
Ed Seedhouse wrote: The alt tag should contain a description of the image. No, in general it should contain a replacement for the image. But this is off-topic in the list, so I will comment on the _styling_ related issues of alt attributes. If you were viewing your page without images,

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-06 Thread Bobby Jack
--- On Thu, 5/6/10, Jukka K. Korpela jkorp...@cs.tut.fi wrote: Another CSS-related issue is that many people have used alt attributes to create tooltips, like annotations on the images. This tends to interfere with the proper use of such attributes. Moreover, the tooltips are rendered

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
If your image can't be so described then it is decoration and should be brought in via CSS, not your html. While this sounds theoretically correct, there is a practical problem. Decorative images in CSS means (at least for now) using _background_ images. When a page is printed,

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-06 Thread Thierry Koblentz
Therefore, if you want to show tooltips, it's better to do that with CSS (or CSS + JavaScript), e.g. including explanatory text in document content, hiding it with CSS, and making it visible in a particular position. It's useful then to add title= (i.e., title attribute with empty

[css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread John
I'm validating my website pages, html first, and mostly what I'm getting errors on is my failure to use alt inside my img tags.. Actually, it's more of a warning, I guess it's promoting best practices, but lack of alt doesn't seem to affect the validity and function of the code. But as

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread Ed Seedhouse
The alt tag should contain a description of the image. If you were viewing your page without images, what would you want the tag to say to replace it? If your image can't be so described then it is decoration and should be brought in via CSS, not your html. On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 6:36 PM, John

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread Brian M. Curran
John wrote: I'm validating my website pages, html first, and mostly what I'm getting errors on is my failure to use alt inside my img tags.. Actually, it's more of a warning, I guess it's promoting best practices, but lack of alt doesn't seem to affect the validity and function of the code.

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread David Laakso
John wrote: I'm validating my website pages, html first, and mostly what I'm getting errors on is my failure to use alt inside my img tags.. thoughts? John More appropriate lists on which to post your question may be: http://webstandardsgroup.org/ and http://webaim.org/

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread Alan Gresley
John wrote: [snip] However for other sites, is it wise and proper to paint as much of a picture as you can for benefit of those who can't see? Maybe the answer is an obvious yes for some images, but I can also imagine it being pretty annoying hearing logo over and over again, whereas

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread Thierry Koblentz
The alt tag should contain a description of the image. If you were viewing your page without images, what would you want the tag to say to replace it? If your image can't be so described then it is decoration and should be brought in via CSS, not your html. img elements can be used for

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread David Laakso
Ed Seedhouse wrote: The alt tag should contain a description of the image. If you were viewing your page without images, what would you want the tag to say to replace it? If your image can't be so described then it is decoration and should be brought in via CSS, not your html.

Re: [css-d] thoughts on img alt tag verbage

2010-05-05 Thread David Dorward
On 6 May 2010 02:36, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: I'm validating my website pages, html first, and mostly what I'm getting errors on is my failure to use alt inside my img tags.. Actually, it's more of a warning, I guess it's promoting best practices, but lack of alt doesn't seem to