Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Rafael
You don't say anything more and so I don't know how much do you know of accessibility so far, but allow me to tell you that accessibility goes far beyond the font size, there are problems most people don't even imagine. By the way, I recommend you to use XHTML, as it will be easier to

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Vicki Stebbins wrote: Have you done any CSS aimed at braille readers? If so is there some 'gotcha' with this? I'm thinking % divs for the navigation and the layout is side nav so when the font resizes it can have more room to move? No, I haven't written CSS for braille. My friend who

Re: [css-d] Firefox Right column anomoly

2007-09-05 Thread Tigdh Glesain
Hallo Brian... On my Mac, it did it on Safari 2 as well (only once) as Firefox 2, only on load mind. Once cached and refreshed, I don't see a repeat of it. In order to duplicate it, I need to shut down the browser and clear the cache. Tigdh -- TAG [EMAIL

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread tedd
At 7:02 AM +0200 9/5/07, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Georg: I recommend body {font-size: 100%;}. I've seen 100.1% stated -- is there any real advantage in doing that? /* all values below are suggestions */ h1 {font-size: 145%;} h2 {font-size: 132%;} h3 {font-size: 125%;} h4 {font-size: 115%;} h5

[css-d] Could CSS-d save me twice in one week? IE6 Float problem

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Talsky
It's like IE6 knew it was getting ignored and decided to rear its ugly head and say, Don't forget about my 30% market share, you can't abandon me and my exuberant fountain of undocumented rendering errors! This is another pro site. Note that I'm using an IE6 PNG fix to get alpha transparency,

Re: [css-d] spacing lists on opposite sides of div

2007-09-05 Thread Emanuele Venezia
Fiona ha scritto: (I apologise if this has come through a second time - but I think I sent it from the wrong email address the first time.) Hi, I have trying for hours to sort the alignment of two unordered lists inside a div but I must be missing something obvious. I can't seem to get

[css-d] FW: Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Alan K. Gay
I haven't done a new table-based layout in years. That said, we have two key pages that are truly wire-frame in nature, by that I mean that the individual cells of content vary substantially in size at each rendering (based on database contents), and these variances in size need to adjust the

[css-d] FW: Fixed Footer

2007-09-05 Thread Alan K. Gay
What is failing? Is it the vertical gray line on the right? Alan K. Gay www.buymetrics.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Richard Brown Sent: Friday, August 17, 2007 2:11 PM To: CSS-Discuss Subject: [css-d] Fixed Footer Hi All

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tedd wrote: I've seen 100.1% stated -- is there any real advantage in doing that? That slightly larger than 100% value was used to fix a bug in a few old browser-versions - Opera amongst others IIRC. Through testing I haven't found the need to fix any bugs that way in any browser for the last

[css-d] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi all, Just wanted to double-check my thinking here: bottom right or right bottom ? I always have done this (for example): background: url(foo.jpg) no-repeat bottom right; When using the the keywords, should I worry about which one comes first? I know, silly question... just wanted to

Re: [css-d] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Rafael
The only problem I see on that is when you change into unit values, since they are interpreted as (x, y), other than that it should work ('center center' has no problem with that). Still, I think you should specify the position in their general order. Just my 2c. Micky Hulse wrote:

Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Micky Hulse
Hi Rafael, thanks for your reply -- I really appreciate you help on this one. :) Rafael wrote: ...snipage... specify the position in their general order. Great advice. I think I will start doing that. IIRC, back when I first started learning CSS (using Dreamweaver MX), DWMX would generate

Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Rafael
Micky Hulse wrote: I also had an excellent off-list reply: [[ If at least one value is not a keyword, then the first value represents the horizontal position and the second represents the vertical position. http://www.w3.org/TR/CSS21/colors.html#propdef-background-position In other words,

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Rafael
Sorry for the previous mail, wrong keys combination :s Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: tedd wrote: Here's an example of what I mean by zoom cooperative: http://www.php1.net/b/speech/ Now only does this site zoom well (according to me), but it's part of my new deliver content via speech

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Rafael
Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: Rafael wrote: By the way, I recommend you to use XHTML, as it will be easier to parse for any software. IE doesn't understand XHTML at all, and won't parse it unless we serve it as broken HTML - or convert it into proper HTML. Actually, it seems just the doctype is

Re: [css-d] FW: Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Al Sparber
From: Alan K. Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know any way with CSS, absent a pile of JS, that changes in the height of the contents of a block in column one can force, across all browsers (or even just IE for that matter), a corresponding change in the height of a block (div, for ex) that is

Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Nick Fitzsimons
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Rafael Sent: 05 September 2007 17:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: css mailing list Subject: Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question Micky Hulse wrote: I also had an excellent

Re: [css-d] FW: Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Paul Hanson
I don't know what this is called - or if there is a solution to what I'm seeing. I'm using IE 6. I close my Favorites so it doesn't display on my screen. There is a large gap between the menu going up and down and the edge of my browser window. If I enable my Favorites and have them displaying on

[css-d] help - IE6 missing Pictures

2007-09-05 Thread Peter
Hi, I am at a loss here. IE6 is not showing a row of pictures, on any page ( these are click through links to sponsor websites). IE7/FF/safari/opera (all on windows) show them correctly. Can any body check they are there (may be a setting on my other pc running IE6) website:

Re: [css-d] ADMIN: Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Eric A. Meyer
At 7:50 PM -0300 9/2/07, Marcelo de Moraes Serpa wrote: In other words, can pure CSS layouts do everything a table-based layout can do? So far we seem to have avoided an argument about whether tables-based layouts are right or wrong, which is fantastic! Let's all keep it that way. The

Re: [css-d] help - IE6 missing Pictures

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
Peter wrote: Hi, I am at a loss here. IE6 is not showing a row of pictures, on any page ( these are click through links to sponsor websites). IE7/FF/safari/opera (all on windows) show them correctly. Can any body check they are there (may be a setting on my other pc running IE6)

Re: [css-d] It won't work in IE6

2007-09-05 Thread Richard Brown
Hi On 04/09/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why won't this site work in IE6 please? http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/ http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bassetts/style.css It works in all the other IEs. I've borrowed(!) code from Georg and redone the site.

[css-d] IE6 Absolute/Relative Boondoggle

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Talsky
I think I may have misstated my problem in a previous email. I said in the subject that it was a float issue. It isn't. I did something tricky with widths and absolute/relative positioning. Now I have not the first clue how to get it to work in IE6. Will someone please take a look? The URL:

Re: [css-d] It won't work in IE6

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
Richard Brown wrote: Hi On 04/09/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why won't this site work in IE6 please? http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/ http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bassetts/style.css It works in all the other IEs. I've borrowed(!)

Re: [css-d] It won't work in IE6

2007-09-05 Thread David Laakso
David Laakso wrote: Richard Brown wrote: Hi On 04/09/07, Richard Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why won't this site work in IE6 please? http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/ http://www.apbassettsolicitors.co.uk/wp-content/themes/bassetts/style.css It works in all the other IEs.

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 5/9/07 (17:38) Rafael said: But I wonder, if you include a doctype (and your code is valid) how do you preserve the Quirks mode? It's my understanding that including a doctype minus the URL will permit this. -- Rick Lecoat

Re: [css-d] Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread E Michael Brandt
Eric A. Meyer wrote: The focus on whether there are layout types that are difficult or impossible to achieve in CSS is perfect Just today I relented and, in the interests of time, put up a table based layout for non-tabular data. I wonder if someone has a good CSS solution for this table:

Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Micky Hulse
Rafael wrote: ...snip... right?). It still sounds like an invitation to use the x y order :) It sure does. :) I definitely am a big fan of coding consistency... I will be using the x y order from now on. Thanks again Rafael! :) Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/22tgef

Re: [css-d] [solved] Background shorthand: Quick question

2007-09-05 Thread Micky Hulse
Nick Fitzsimons wrote: ...snip... just units, rather than mixing them together: 0 23px, for example. Ah, more great info Nick! Thanks! :) I hope one of these days I can help you with something. Have a great day. Cheers, Micky -- Wishlist: http://tinyurl.com/22tgef Switch:

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread tedd
At 5:11 PM +0200 9/5/07, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: tedd wrote: Here's an example of what I mean by zoom cooperative: http://www.php1.net/b/speech/ Now only does this site zoom well (according to me), but it's part of my new deliver content via speech thing. That's what I call em sized and some

[css-d] One Bullet Missing in IE

2007-09-05 Thread patrick mattison
I'm having a bit of a problem here. For some reason the red square bullet before About won't show up in IE, however the bullet for Personal Bio shows up fine. Any suggestions? Below is the markup and the css: http://www.liquidscience.net/andrew/testercopy.html

Re: [css-d] Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Frank Piuck
E Michael Brandt wrote: ... I wonder if someone has a good CSS solution for this table: Two columns, the first is of images, one per row, but of varying heights, the second is of descriptive text of varying - but multiline - amounts which I wish to center vertically to the right of

Re: [css-d] Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 5/9/07 (00:19) Frank said: This seems like a perfectly appropriate use of a table to me. You could achieve a similar effect with an unordered list and floating images, but I don't think it would be very more machine reader friendly, and it would be much harder to get the alignment between

Re: [css-d] Are table-based layouts still needed

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
E Michael Brandt wrote: http://www.badboy.ro/articles/2005-02-20/vertical_align_with_css/ Is there a good solution that works cross browser *without resorting to semantically meaningless nested divs* ? Divs are semantically neutral, which doesn't necessarily equate to meaningless when used to

Re: [css-d] spacing lists on opposite sides of div

2007-09-05 Thread Fiona
Ele wrote: I've tried this solution and it seems to work: div.pinkbar1 { padding: 0; /* and height, color, background... you choose */ } div.pinkbar1 ul { margin: 0; padding: 0; /* whatever else */ } div.pinkbar1 li { margin: 0; line-height: 29px; /* the same height you chose for

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tedd wrote: However, if one removes your graphic from your layout, then it's easily read. I think that allowing the user to see/read a graphic via scrolling is preferable than presenting something that they can't read at any zoom level. Don't you think? Yes, and I would give the user

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
Rick Lecoat wrote: On 5/9/07 (17:38) Rafael said: But I wonder, if you include a doctype (and your code is valid) how do you preserve the Quirks mode? It's my understanding that including a doctype minus the URL will permit this. I think you're referring to this...

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Rick Lecoat
On 6/9/07 (00:14) Gunlaug said: It's my understanding that including a doctype minus the URL will permit this. I think you're referring to this... http://gutfeldt.ch/matthias/articles/doctypeswitch/table.html I stand corrected (or vastly expanded upon!). Cheers -- Rick Lecoat

[css-d] Any solution for block elements with an anchor?

2007-09-05 Thread Timothy Kelty
Recently I've had a couple instances where I wanted big link buttons, that had block elements with them. One instance I wanted an entire dl as a link. It was important to have the entire area clickable as a link, as well as have a :hover class, so everything had to be wrapped in an a. My only

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread tedd
At 1:08 AM +0200 9/6/07, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: tedd wrote: However, if one removes your graphic from your layout, then it's easily read. I think that allowing the user to see/read a graphic via scrolling is preferable than presenting something that they can't read at any zoom level. Don't

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread David Hucklesby
At 7:02 AM +0200 9/5/07, Georg Sørtun wrote: I recommend body {font-size: 100%;}. On Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:47:10 -0400, tedd responded: I've seen 100.1% stated -- is there any real advantage in doing that? My 2005 class notes say that IE 5 on Windows 98 needed this. Sadly, I did not note

Re: [css-d] Could CSS-d save me twice in one week? IE6 Float problem

2007-09-05 Thread David Hucklesby
On Tue, 4 Sep 2007 20:52:55 -0700, Daniel Talsky wrote: [...] The URL: http://dev.fluorideworks.org/parent The problem is in the header... the images don't line up... just don't obey the absolute positioning. I don't know what is causing your problem, Daniel, but I see a couple of things

Re: [css-d] Accessibility + font sizing

2007-09-05 Thread Gunlaug Sørtun
tedd wrote: At 1:08 AM +0200 9/6/07, Gunlaug Sørtun wrote: However, since that particular page is one of my test pages where solutions are _supposed_ to be tested to breaking-point and far beyond, that image isn't there to be read. It is there to break solution - and browsers. OK, I

[css-d] IE6 to IE7 to IE6 design

2007-09-05 Thread Rey Mendoza,Jr
Hi Guys, I have a project which we started designing for IE6, then proceeded to demo on IE7 compatability, which broke most of the IE6 compatabilities. Now, I have to make the design cross browser (IE6, IE7 and Firefox). I'm sure I can do these with a lot of time (and right frame of mind) but is

Re: [css-d] Could CSS-d save me twice in one week? IE6 Float problem

2007-09-05 Thread Daniel Talsky
Here's a new, static page with all validation errors fixed: http://dev.fluorideworks.org/validationtest.php Unfortunately that doesn't solve the problem at all. I'm pretty certain now that the problem is somewhere in the following css: #sloganMontage { clear: both; z-index: 50; background:

[css-d] Sub heading position

2007-09-05 Thread Hayden's Harness Attachment
Can someone see why Firefox 2 displays what I would like and IE 6 pushes Knowledge is power and everything else under my tree logo? HTML: http://www.infoforce-services.com CSS: http://www.infoforce-services.com/css/layout.css -- Love Hayden (Super Duper Guide Dog)and The harness attachment