Re: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
Wow! I'm away from my email for a day and look at all the terrific replies! Thanks to everyone for your advice. For those who mentioned it'd be easier if you could see the design, I've posted it here: http://www.southernenvironment.org/test/home_redraft.html For comparison sake, check out the current live version of our homepage http://www.southernenvironment.org/index.htm Table soup. Seriously. Wanna feel my pain? Lift the hood on that bad boy and take a gander. So anyway, I'm aware that my css for the redesign is a bit soupy itself; if I were to move forward, I'd start breaking this puppy into some separate sheets - one for main page layout, one for fonts, maybe one for images. Our site has more than 150 individual pages, with at least half a dozen different kinds of layouts, so it'd be tricky (and fun) to figure out the best way to organize the css. My main problems right now in dreamweaver: the left most column (what we call the toc, or table of contents) completely dissapears from the design view in dreamweaver 8. Someone mentioned negative margins wreaking havoc. Could that be it? Also: the header navigation and the footer are a bit quirky. In dreamweaver, the header list items double up (ie. Our Programs appears on two lines rather than one - not a big deal). Looks fine in all browsers I've tried. Also an issue: the footer is a bit wonky in dreamweaver - the blue border beneath the footer navigation shows in dreamweaver as longer than the border currently applied to the bottom of the three column container. Again, looks fine in all browsers. But then again, I'm not very pleased with the way the footer looks now. The most annoying problem is that missing table of contents. Any ideas? Unfortunately, the overall layout of the site isn't really up for discussion right now in our organization. For instance, elminating (or at least drastically simplifying) the table of contents - as I'd like to do - isn't an option. But I'd love to hear your opinions on the overall look of the page. Thanks so much to everyone for your help! matt On 10/17/06, Stephanie Leary [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matt Dawson wrote: snip I downloaded the trial version of Dreamweaver 8 and.no dice. The page is every bit as fractured in design mode in 8 as it was in MX. Is all hope lost? I won't be able to get approval for reworking our website with a CSS layout unless there's some program out there that would let people make simple WYSIWYG edits. Is there another editor out there that might work? Is there a setting in Dreamweaver that I'm just missing? Or am I just SOL? Dreamweaver handles some CSS layouts better than others. Negative margins almost always give me trouble, for example, but I've had good luck with a lot of the layouts from positioniseverything.net. If you're going for something relatively standard, like 2 or 3 columns with a header and footer, try downloading a handful of sample layouts from the usual suspects and see what works. If you have a minute, let Adobe know what kind of layout you were trying to use: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform They do pay attention to that form -- or at least Macromedia did; I presume there's still someone listening on the other end. Filing a bug report won't solve your immediate problem, but it might lead to better support in DW9. -- Stephanie Leary Web Communications Specialist Texas AM University System http://tamus.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/ __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
[css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
I work as a web manager for a smallish nonprofit. Though I'm the primary keeper of the site, there are a number of others in the org that edit it. Dreamweaver is the program that everyone's familiar with, so that's what we use. In my spare time, I've been redesigning the homepage with CSS - I want so badly to switch from our table based layout to something that I can actually understand. All of my redrafting has been done by handcoding. I didn't think twice about the fact that it looked like crud in Dreamweaver MX, as I'm aware that its support for CSS is extremely weak. Well, I finished a draft last night, and having heard that Dreamweaver 8 had far stronger CSS support, I started getting excited. If Dreamweaver 8 made my redraft editable in design mode, maybe I could sell this to everyone else who works on our site. I downloaded the trial version of Dreamweaver 8 and.no dice. The page is every bit as fractured in design mode in 8 as it was in MX. Is all hope lost? I won't be able to get approval for reworking our website with a CSS layout unless there's some program out there that would let people make simple WYSIWYG edits. Is there another editor out there that might work? Is there a setting in Dreamweaver that I'm just missing? Or am I just SOL? Thanks for your help! Matt __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
Subject: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites? I downloaded the trial version of Dreamweaver 8 and.no dice. The page is every bit as fractured in design mode in 8 as it was in MX. Is all hope lost? I won't be able to get approval for reworking our website with a CSS layout unless there's some program out there that would let people make simple WYSIWYG edits. Is there another editor out there that might work? Is there a setting in Dreamweaver that I'm just missing? Or am I just SOL? Suggest that it is CSS not Dreamweaver that is at fault. Care to share your draft with us and we can see what is the problem. Ian -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.4/477 - Release Date: 16/10/2006 __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
I downloaded the trial version of Dreamweaver 8 and.no dice. The page is every bit as fractured in design mode in 8 as it was in MX. Matt, I've found that complex layouts, involving nested floats and positioned elements, work just fine in Dreamweaver if I get them to work in older Operas (5 or 6), without hacks that is. And that usually just requires trying different ways to do the same thing (padding instead of margin, adding position:relative here and there, etc). YMMV of course, if your layout has hit a DW css bug... __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
Matt Dawson wrote: snip I downloaded the trial version of Dreamweaver 8 and.no dice. The page is every bit as fractured in design mode in 8 as it was in MX. Is all hope lost? I won't be able to get approval for reworking our website with a CSS layout unless there's some program out there that would let people make simple WYSIWYG edits. Is there another editor out there that might work? Is there a setting in Dreamweaver that I'm just missing? Or am I just SOL? Dreamweaver handles some CSS layouts better than others. Negative margins almost always give me trouble, for example, but I've had good luck with a lot of the layouts from positioniseverything.net. If you're going for something relatively standard, like 2 or 3 columns with a header and footer, try downloading a handful of sample layouts from the usual suspects and see what works. If you have a minute, let Adobe know what kind of layout you were trying to use: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform They do pay attention to that form -- or at least Macromedia did; I presume there's still someone listening on the other end. Filing a bug report won't solve your immediate problem, but it might lead to better support in DW9. -- Stephanie Leary Web Communications Specialist Texas AM University System http://tamus.edu __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
Re: [css-d] Using Dreamweaver with standards-based websites?
Matt Dawson wrote: Is all hope lost? I won't be able to get approval for reworking our website with a CSS layout unless there's some program out there that would let people make simple WYSIWYG edits. Is there another editor out there that might work? Is there a setting in Dreamweaver that I'm just missing? Or am I just SOL? In Dreamweaver, look into design-time stylesheet. HTH, --- Regards, Thierry | www.TJKDesign.com __ css-discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.css-discuss.org/mailman/listinfo/css-d IE7b2 testing hub -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/?page=IE7 List wiki/FAQ -- http://css-discuss.incutio.com/ Supported by evolt.org -- http://www.evolt.org/help_support_evolt/
