[css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread John
I just looked at a site I’m developing in IE 8 using Netrender and it looks like an 18-car pile up…very not pretty. IE 9, 10, 11 appear to draw the page the way other browsers do. Is IE8 a browser of concern anymore, IOW, should I work hard to fix whatever is messing up my site in IE8, or will

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tim Arnold
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: I just looked at a site I’m developing in IE 8 using Netrender and it looks like an 18-car pile up…very not pretty. IE 9, 10, 11 appear to draw the page the way other browsers do. Is IE8 a browser of concern anymore, IOW,

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
Are you loading an html5shiv or modernizr? Could be the problem if you aren't... On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: I just looked at a site I’m developing in IE 8 using Netrender and it looks like an 18-car pile up…very not pretty. IE 9, 10, 11 appear to draw

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Tim Arnold tim.arn...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 3:50 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: I just looked at a site I’m developing in IE 8 using Netrender and it looks like an 18-car pile up…very not pretty. IE 9, 10, 11 appear to draw the page

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread John
On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:01 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: Are you loading an html5shiv or modernizr? Could be the problem if you aren't… Remy Sharp Shiv yes; modernizr, no…do I need both? J __ css-discuss

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread John
On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Tim Arnold tim.arn...@gmail.com wrote: I'm guessing the pile-up is due to using REMs for layout (or anything). IE8 doesn't know what to do with a REM. This is so weird…I spend about an hour or two converting all my ems to rems to combat a parent/child % type size

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
No, you don't need modernizr too. IMHO It's well worth adding the px fallback instead of converting rems to ems. You'll still avoid the compounding issue you get with ems, and you'll gain a decent layout in IE8. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:09 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: On Sep 16,

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread John
On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO It's well worth adding the px fallback instead the px fallback being to add font-size: 16px; font-size: 1rem; to my css up at the top, right? Does this also set 1rem equal to 16px?

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:16 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:11 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO It's well worth adding the px fallback instead the px fallback being to add font-size: 16px; font-size: 1rem; to my css up at the top, right?

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread John
On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: the px fallback being to add font-size: 16px; font-size: 1rem; to my css up at the top, right? Does this also set 1rem equal to 16px? No no. For each use of rem, you need to add a px fallback. The above was just an

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Tom Livingston
Correct. On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 4:25 PM, John j...@coffeeonmars.com wrote: On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Tom Livingston tom...@gmail.com wrote: the px fallback being to add font-size: 16px; font-size: 1rem; to my css up at the top, right? Does this also set 1rem equal to 16px? No no.

Re: [css-d] IE8/Netrenderer reveals huge problems

2014-09-16 Thread Philip Taylor
John wrote: Does this also set 1rem equal to 16px? John, /you/ (the page author) cannot set 1 rem to anything; the size of the root em (rem) is determined by each user, through the user interface to his/her preferred browser. In many cases, this will be the browser default, which /may/ be