Ann: One of my research interests has been MKULTRA, mainly because I realized that working at UCLA gave me access to the same libraries housing the same materials utilized by the doctors who were involved with creation of some of the projects. I have a copy of the Joint Hearing before the Select Committee on Intelligence and the Subcommittee on Health and Scientific Research of the Committee on Human Resources; U.S. Senate 95th Congress, First Session. It was not until after these Senate Hearings that MKULTRA was officially/publicly shut-down in 1978. Yes, there had been a CIA memo dated October 20, 1975 calling for the destruction of agency records pertaining to MKULTRA, signed by Donald F. Chamberlain, Inspector General. There are many of us who have evidence that the MKULTRA projects were never really shut-down, as witness the Senate's determination that they needed to have a hearing even after the CIA declared MKULTRA finished. Many of the MKULTRA projects were called something else before being brought under one project name with many sub-projects (Bluebird, in a memo for example discussed in a 1952 with a blacked out signature). What document do you have that provides a date of 1973? KK -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 1999 4:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MC] Operation Paperclip It is important to remember that the bulk of the MK_ULTRA were destroyed in 1973. In spite of what they claim, I do not think they abandoned the old methods; they are still in operation today. At least according to my research. But I do believe that they knew about electomagnetic methods, tho' that has not been the focus of my research. We do know they were working with electricity (electro-shock) and radiation: not a big leap.! Ann Earle ************************************************************** MINDCONTROL-L Mind Control and Psyops Mailing List To unsubscribe or subscribe: send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the following text: "unsubscribe MINDCONTROL-L" or "subscribe MINDCONTROL-L". Post to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wes Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, list moderator