Hi, I just thought you might like to know what is going on and being said in the 'outside' world beyond your keyboard! Conspiracy - no not possible! Think what was not possible just a few years ago - devolution of Wales, Digital TV, video link, surrender of Britain to a foreign power, personal computers, the internet etc etc ALL totally impossible just a few years before they happened. Do you realise that your PC in front of you has more computing power than was available to first land man on the moon! 'What the human mind can conceive and believe the human brain can acheive.' So post you this item for your SERIOUS consideration. Regards, Greg From: APFN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> FRENCH PLOT TO KILL MILOSEVIC French President Jacques Chirac and Prime Minister Lionel Jospin, both attending a conference in London, refused to comment on the allegations. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/europe /newsid_536000/536721.stmworld/europe/newsid_536000/536721.stm A REQUIEM TO "WE THE PEOPLE" http://www.antinato.org.yu/facts.htm >Report: Meeting with Carla del Ponte on >NATO Crimes of War (posted 11-26-99) >http://www.emperors-clothes.com/ >UN WAR CRIMES TRIBUNAL - SHOW >TRIALS OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER >Copyright © 1996-99 Serbian Unity Congress. >Justice & War >http://www.suc.org/politics/tribunal_watch/html/byrne.html < The Independent (UK) April 25, 1999 Was the Second World War worth 56 million lives? by A.N. Wilson We had grown used to having a prime minister who was ignorant, but now a much more worrying thought occurs. Has he gone mad? Perhaps this is a question that only doctors could answer. But Tony Blair's recent self- justifying speeches, delivered with laryngitic, manic jerkiness persuade me that war is almost always an act of madness. And the rhetoric that he has chosen to employ, with its pseudo-Churchillian echoes and its allusions to the Second World War, provoke disturbing, unwelcome thoughts, not merely about the conflict in Kosovo, but about the whole of 20th-century history, and the brave sorrows which our parents' generation underwent. Blair's speeches about war make me think that all war, even the war against Hitler, is and was worse than pointless. The German culture minister, Michael Naumann, recently deplored the fact that Hitler's war continues to obsess the British. Over the last few weeks one sees not merely that Herr Naumann is right but that the British way of viewing the Second World War is deeply dangerous. Tony Blair now seems to be by far the most hawkish of Nato's leaders. The German peace proposals, which would have involved bringing in the Russians to persuade Slobodan Milosevic to the negotiating table, have been dismissed by Blair as not enough. Blair wants blood, toil, sweat and tears; he wants Bill to give him the tools and we'll finish the job. The early identification of Milosevic with Hitler was bizarre. Milosevic has shown no desire for territorial expansion, let alone world domination. The unending story of minor, nasty warfare in the Balkans is part of the story of the last 1,000 years. It is quite unlike the resurrection of German nationalism in the 1920s as a reaction against the unjust Versailles Treaty. Britain went to war against Hitler not because he was persecuting the Jews, as Blair implies every day, but because of treaties designed to check German expansionism. The treaties to "protect" Czechoslovakia were quietly forgotten - some said to Britain's shame. The treaty to protect Poland was observed, and it was because Hitler invaded Poland that Chamberlain declared war. As AJP Taylor caustically observes in The Origins of the Second WorldWar: "In 1938 Czechoslovakia was betrayed. In 1939 Poland was saved. Less than one hundred thousand Czechs died during the war. Six-and-a-half million Poles were killed. Which was better - to be a betrayed Czech or a saved Pole?" When we consider the 56 million people - most of them civilians - who died during the Second World War we of a younger generation can understand why those who watched their comrades die in it were obliged to tell themselves not only that it was an inevitable conflict, but that it was the only noble way of defeating an evil tyranny. Even this way of thinking only leads to more intolerable thoughts - namely that Poland, Czechoslovakia, and all the Eastern bloc countries were "liberated" only in the sense that they were taken away from the Nazis and given into Soviet slavery at the insistence of Stalin, who outstripped Hitler in the numbers he killed. The one fact about Hitler which nobody believed during the Second World War was that he meant what he said about the Jews. The British Foreign Office and the BBC consistently refused to believe the stories of extermination as they began to come through from Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and elsewhere in the middle years of the war. Only in 1945 when people watched the newsreels of Belsen did the extent of the Nazi atrocities become clear. And of course - another intolerable thought - this slaughter only began after the outbreak of war. Could it be - intolerable question - that it was the cover of war alone which made the massacres possible? For Tony Blair to liken Milosevic to Hitler is to trivialise every one of those 56 million deaths between 1939-45 and to miss the point which, tragically, they make. It is not an easy thought. It is literally unbearable, but it must be thought if politicians are not to go on repeating the mistakes of the past. It is this. If the Second World War had never been fought, not only would those 56 million, most of them, have died in their beds; not only would the beautiful cities of France, Germany, Italy and Poland, which were destroyed, have remained intact, but Hitler and his crazy regime would almost certainly have been overthrown in the fullness of time by his own people. Yet Blair tells us that the Second World War was "a war started by a dictator visiting racial genocide on his people". He tells us that. "You have to come down to the simple clear choice, to act, or not to act." This isn't even pseudo-Winston Churchill. It is government by Biggles. Blair's and Nato's decision to "act" has escalated a war which, in the three years previous to 25 March 1999 had killed between two and three thousand people. To act or not to act. There are so many actions other than bombing - to increase aid, for example, to flood a distressed or war-torn region withhospitals, schools, foreign observers who, if they can't stop the fighting, can at least ensure that the atrocities are kept to a minimum. The bombing raids have provided the biggest possible cover for acts of genocidal slaughter. When one thinks of the war memorials all over Europe, and the stories of self- sacrifice which they embody, and the unselfish bravery of our parents' generations, one hardly dares to write these words. But the lesson they teach is that war never works, that the notion of a just war is a political con. God help us if our world order is now in the hands of those whose history books are closed and whose moral values are conceitedly summed up by the doctrine that whatever Blair thinks and does is right and whatever anyone else does is "evil". >> Blair thinks and does is right and whatever anyone else does is "evil". Sounds like a Bill Clinton clone... !! Ken: This is the sort of statements without full comprehension of what the whole enchilada is about. It is not simply about indicting Bill Clinton and his "crew". You and I know Bill Clinton and "his crew" had little to do with the devastation and the genocide of a sovereign nation. Also, the astonishment of the thought as preposterous that Bill Clinton could not be indicted is troubling to say the least. This is, if it can be put into one thought. The protest of the Canadians to stop the madness of the One World Order and to get their young men out of a World Army without identification as Canadians to fight in a war against the people of sovereign nations just as Canada and the U.S. are. Bill Clinton is in a pea pod here by comparison to the enormity of this action. The FREE WORLD against totalitarianism. Is more like it. The Canadian Attorneys are protesting satanic design to take over the world. Clinton and Halfbright are weenies. But the denial he could be indicted (scoffed) is the most dangerous idea. That means people believe he is invincible! Karolyn [AFFN] NEVER SAY ALWAYS & ALWAYS NEVER SAY NEVER! >The Inter-American Human Rights Digest Project > (((((( WHAT ABOUT WACO? ))))))) >http://www.wcl.american.edu/pub/humright/iadigest.html Detroit Free Press, Nov. 19, 1999 http://www.freep.com/news/nw/index.htm 'Forgotten wars' November 19, 1999 KNIGHT RIDDER NEWSPAPERS The following list of "Forgotten Wars" is compiled from information provided by Project Ploughshares and the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Afghanistan: 20 years, 1.8 million dead, 2.6 million refugees. The war began when the Soviet Union invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The Central Intelligence Agency spent $5 billion arming Afghan mujahideen, then lost interest when the Soviets left in 1989. The mujahideen factions then turned against one another. Algeria: Seven years, 80,000 dead, unknown refugees. The war began in 1992 when the military regime canceled a parliamentary vote to head off victory by the Islamic Salvation Front. Angola: Thirty years, 600,000 dead, 1.5 million refugees. A Marxist faction, backed by the Soviet Union and Cuba, won control in 1975 but was opposed by another faction, called UNITA, supported by the United States and South Africa. The fighting continues among those groups and others. Burundi: Six years, 200,000 dead, 240,000 refugees. A tribal war has raged since 1993, when Tutsi soldiers assassinated the first elected president, a Hutu. China: Two years, casualties unknown. China is fighting an insurgency in the oil-rich Xinjiang Uygur autonomous region. Colombia: 35 years, 45,000 dead since 1986, 1 million refugees. Arms bought with drug profits have fueled Latin America's longest-running insurgency. Congo: Two years, more than 10,000 dead, refugees unknown. Before he was defeated in a 1992 election, Denis Sassou-Nguesso ran the republic as a military dictatorship. In 1997, President Pascal Lissouba tried to disarm Sassou-Nguesso's militia but Sassou-Nguesso was returned to power. Guerrilla groups have been fighting to unseat him ever since. Democratic Republic of Congo: Three years, unknown casualties, more than 1 million refugees. Formerly known as Zaire, this huge country has been torn by conflict since achieving independence in 1960. Installed by a CIA coup in 1965, President Mobutu Sese Seko spent 32 years killing opponents. He was toppled in 1997, but his successor, Laurent Kabila, is just as dictatorial. Eritrea and Ethiopia: Two years, up to 50,000 dead, 200,000 refugees. Africa's bloodiest war was launched in mid-1998, over an ill-defined border region. Egypt: Seven years, 1,200 dead, 10,000 imprisoned. Splinter groups of the Muslim Brotherhood took up arms against the Egyptian government in 1992. Guinea-Bissau: One year, casualties unknown. This former Portuguese colony erupted in civil war last year. India: Nine years, 25,000 dead, 300,000 refugees. India has been plagued by several ethnic or religion-based insurgencies since the end of British colonial rule in 1947. The biggest is being waged by Muslim separatists in Kashmir. Indonesia: 24 years, 116,000 dead, refugee numbers unknown. East Timor's 800,000 residents voted overwhelmingly to separate from Indonesia this year. In September, anti-independence militias began to terrorize residents. Iran: 27 years, 27,000 dead. Rebel Kurds have fought the government since 1972. Iraq: 38 years, at least 280,000 dead, 4 million refugees. Iraqi Kurds have fought for autonomy since 1961. Lebanon: 17 years, casualties unknown. Israel invaded Lebanon in 1982 and established a security zone to protect itself from Lebanese guerrillas. Myanmar (formerly Burma): 51 years, more than 10,000 killed since 1981. Hill tribes and other ethnic minorities have been fighting for independence against various governments since 1948. Pakistan: Seven years, estimated 5,000 killed. The migration of Indian Muslims into the Sindh province after the 1947 India-Pakistan partition, combined with an influx of Pashtuns and Punjabis, sparked conflicts with the indigenous Muslims. Russia: Five years, more than 30,000 killed. In the republic of Chechnya, Russia is battling Muslim insurgents. Rwanda: Five years, more than 1 million dead, 2 million refugees. The Hutus dominated the country after achieving independence from Belgium in 1962. The Tutsis regained control after a 1994 genocide by Hutu death squads. Hutus now wage a guerrilla war. Sierra Leone: Eight years, 500,000 dead, up to 2 million refugees. Civil war started in 1991 when rebels based in Liberia began battling the government. Somalia: Eight years, 1 million dead, 2 million refugees. Clan warlords have battled since dictator Mohammed Siad Barre was overthrown in 1991. Sri Lanka: 16 years, 40,000 dead, 1.5 million refugees. Tamils, a Hindu minority, launched a war for independence in 1983. Sudan: 16 years, 2 million dead, 4 million refugees. Civil war began in 1983 when the Muslim government in the north tried to impose Islamic law on the south. Tajikistan: Seven years, up to 40,000 killed, 500,000 homeless. A civil war has raged since 1992 when Russian and Uzbek troops helped Tajik Communists overthrow a coalition government. Turkey : 15 years, 40,000 dead, 3 million refugees. Separatists of the Marxist Kurdish Workers' Party launched a guerrilla war against the government in 1984. Uganda: 12 years, casualties unknown. The Sudan-based Lord's Resistance Army has destabilized northern Uganda since 1987. Without Justice, there is JUST_US! http://www.freeyellow.com/member5/apfn/
