Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-12 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- I am clearly (to you at least) ignorant on these subjects because I haven't read the 2 books you have pointed out. You haven’t read much of anything, at least not in this field. You haven’t even read what I say very closely. I recommended those two books as a good place for

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-09 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
-Caveat Lector- From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] June, this is an excellent posting. I think that there was a novel, I think it's name was "The Cry and The Covenant," that detailed the so called "doctors" taking great pride in going from the examination of corpses to the

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-09 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
-Caveat Lector- From: "Prudence L. Kuhn" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Take two valium and rest. Don't even need a prescription. Every healthfood store carries valerian, which is what Valium is based on... Some 'real' scientist/medico took note of the "old wives tale" of wise women that valerian root

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-09 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/08/2001 9:48:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The answer lies in good part to the fact that the wise women demanded cleanliness...they may have cast an aura of spirituality and ritual about it, but the bottom line was that they were

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-09 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/08/2001 12:26:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: However, none of this alters the fact that, with the exception of a few hapy co-incidences, the types of cures offered by 'Wise Women' etc., consisted mainly of prayers, invoking of

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
-Caveat Lector- From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Wise Women' etc. were nothing more than the quacks and faith healers we have today. There is no evidence that they were part of an organised religion or that they worshipped any particular non-Christian deity. Organized or not,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- The lethal nature of medicine in centuries past is well documented, however the effectiveness of traditional medicines in some areas is/was little better. Your points about midwifery are quite true, this is an area which women have always been pre-eminent. However, none of

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- Merlin It’s from the Welsh, “Merddin,” who was a “derwydd,” or Druid. According to Graves (White Goddess, p. 39), “An early Cornish poem describes . . . the Druid Merddin . . .” This should be distinguished from “merlin,” a small falcon (Falco columbarius) of northern regions,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- There has been much research that shows the power of the mind over the body. Some of the better known are the studies using cancer patients. The ceremony was part of the cure. The patient believes that the medicine will work and therefore it does. An advancement of the Placebo

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-08 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- All your sophistry in these series of emails can be summed up very quickly: I am clearly (to you at least) ignorant on these subjects because I haven't read the 2 books you have pointed out. You have neatly tried to discredit all my questions by simply accusing me of being

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-07 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Johannes Schmidt III wrote: Actually, I believe originally the term 'merlin' was used as a title, and only became associated as a personal name due to the Arthurian legends. Somewhat akin to the names "Don" and "Donna", which originally were titles of

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-07 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 7 Jan 2001, Johannes Schmidt III wrote: Well, if I were to name myself after, say, the Murray River you would probably assume Murray was a male. I would presume 'Murray' was someone's last name...geographical sites such as rivers are usually named for a person's last

[CTRL] Re (CTRL) Fwd Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-07 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/06/2001 7:06:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 'Wise Women' etc. were nothing more than the quacks and faith healers we have today. There is no evidence that they were part of an organised religion or that they worshipped any

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, it’s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she’s a historian with a strong background in archeology and presents a good case well. But you wouldn’t know that, because you didn’t bothered to

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Aleisha Saba
-Caveat Lector- Johannes as I recall the Knights Templar one of the charges against them was witchcaft - and of course DeMolay was burn at the stake. In centuries long past, witches and warlocks were often taken to the Isle of Man (people called Manx somehow connects to our family tree).but

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance?=20 Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, it=92s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she=92s a historian with a strong background in archeology and presents a good case well. But you wouldn=92t know that, because you didn=92t

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
-Caveat Lector- From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, it’s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she’s a historian with a strong background in archeology and presents a good case well. But you wouldn’t know that,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 08:16:50 -0500 Ynr Chyldz Wyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- From: "Nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Is 'Merlin Stone' a pagan/Wiccan himself by any chance? Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, it’s irrelevant. What is relevant is that she’s a historian with a

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Prudence L. Kuhn
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 01/05/2001 2:22:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Similar to Ninjitsu, line up a publisher and claim you have found some ancient scroll/old family book. There are no existing Wiccan 'Book of Shadows' (personal magic diaries) predating the

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- Similar to Ninjitsu, line up a publisher and claim you have found some ancient scroll/old family book. There are no existing Wiccan 'Book of Shadows' (personal magic diaries) predating the 20th century. It is all a con. Elizabeth Gouge spoke of "White Witches" as being

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
-Caveat Lector- From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nessie is a feminine name, it ends in a 'ie'. In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in the lake in Scotland with the purported monster... His/her gender is irrelevant. But if someone is called Tom, or Hank, or

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in the lake in Scotland with the purported monster... I think a lake would be by default feminine, like a ship? His/her gender is irrelevant. But if someone is called Tom, or Hank, or William, aren't I entitled to assume

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread c.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: "Johannes Schmidt III" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 January 2001 01:40 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory -Caveat Lector- In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-06 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- In this case, I believe it is based on "Ness", as in the lake in Scotland with the purported monster... Well, if I were to name myself after, say, the Murray River you would probably assume Murray was a male. Similarly if I named myself for Alice Springs, you

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Jayson R. Jones
-Caveat Lector- On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:57:15 EST William Shannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com --- ListBot Sponsor -- Start Your Own FREE Email List at

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- Furthermore, scholars generally agree that there is no indication, either archaeological or in the written record, that any ancient people ever worshipped a single, archetypal goddess Some scholars agree. Others do not. Read Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas.

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- Furthermore, scholars generally agree that there is no indication, either archaeological or in the written record, that any ancient people ever worshipped a single, archetypal goddess Some scholars agree. Others do not. Read Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas.

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- .There are some scholars who claim that AIDs is caused by Paraffin on apples, and others who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago by a big man living in the clouds. That in no way refutes the work of Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas. It's a fine theory,

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-05 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- There are some scholars who claim that AIDs is caused by Paraffin on apples, and others who believe the earth was created 6,000 years ago by a big man living in the clouds. That in no way refutes the work of Raphael Patai, Merlin Stone or Marija Gimbutas. Is 'Merlin Stone' a

[CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-04 Thread William Shannon
>From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com ListBot SponsorThe Scholars and the Goddess. http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2001/01/allen.htm Historically speaking, the "ancient" rituals of the Goddess movement are almost certainly bunk by Charlotte Allen WICCA, sometimes

Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Wiccan Pseudohistory

2001-01-04 Thread Johannes Schmidt III
-Caveat Lector- The thing to remember about Wicca, and most modern witchcraft in general, is that it was all invented in the 20th century by men (Gerald Gardner and one other who's name I don't immediately recollect). Similar to Ninjitsu, line up a publisher and claim you have found some