-Caveat Lector- from: http://www.federal.com/jan25-99/Story02.html <A HREF="http://www.federal.com/jan25-99/Story02.html">Top Story</A> ----- More drip, drip drip . . . Om K ----- Edward Timperlake, William C. Triplett II: The Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash In these pages we will show that, in order to gain and hold onto power, the Clinton administration has acted recklessly, allowing the wrong people to gain access to our most important political and economic secrets. Any number of Chinese arms dealers, spies, narcotics traffickers, gangsters, pimps, accomplishes to mass murder, communist agents, and other undesirables will appear in these pages, all associated in one way or another with the White House and money... (Regnery publ. 256 pages. October 1998) Read more about this book. See other books/videos for sale. Senior Spy Penetrated Oval Office in 1996 Interview with Edward Timperlake ------------------------------------------------------------------------ By RICKI MAGNUSSEN AND MARVIN LEE ------------------------------------------------------------------------ "You can't characterize it in any other way," says Edward Timperlake, co-author of "Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash. [1]" "Johnny Chung, who was paid by Colonel Liu, penetrated to the oval office," Timperlake tells the Washington Weekly. "Colonel Liu is a senior spy. She went to the spy academy." Liutenant Colonel Liu Chaoying began her military intelligence career with Chinese navy intelligence. She made illegal campaign contributions to the Clinton Campaign through Johnny Chung in 1996. And she met Bill Clinton in person at a dinner at the private Brentwood, California home of Clinton supporter Eli Broad on July 22, 1996. Liu's main interest is satellites for military purposes. Several subsequent decisions by the Clinton administration were favorable to the transfer of technology for the development of the military satellite program of the People's Liberation Army for which Liu works. This is just one of the mindboggling revelations in the bestselling book [1] by Timperlake and Triplett. We interviewed Timperlake last week about the success of the book, how its message has been received, and what we can expect in the future from Chinagate. QUESTION: What made you write this book? TIMPERLAKE: Bill and I have combined over 50 years of experience in national security. I was on the House side he was on the Senate side. In January a year ago, when the Monica Lewinsky story broke, we realized that the complete story hadn't been told at all. The White House had been compartmentalizing it into very small pieces and we were very much afraid that the Monica story would dominate the headlines. We, as national security experts, thought that we would write a national security book that would at least put a coherent picture in front of the American people to tell them how much this administration put them in jeopardy. And as we got into it, the book just expanded. We originally thought that the book was going to be pretty narrow, but the more we looked, the more we found. QUESTION: And what has been the response to it? TIMPERLAKE: Excellent! We are near past best sellers - on the extended list on the New York Times bestseller list. QUESTION: Has there been any negative response? TIMPERLAKE: We have been bumping into some benign neglect, if you will, hoping we will just go away, if no one fights with us eventually it will fade away. But you have to remember that we have 647 endnotes, so the book is very solid. And we wrote it with an eye to understanding that it had to be very accurate because The White House is brilliant at--if they find a single mistake--to try and trash the whole work. And because of that, we sourced every which way we could. QUESTION: Yes it looks like there is a lot of research behind it. TIMPERLAKE: Yes very much so. We are experts, so we know what we are doing. QUESTION: And you also went to China. TIMPERLAKE: Yes I went to mainland China and Bill went to Hong Kong, Macao and Taiwan twice. QUESTION: And in what way did that influence your research? TIMPERLAKE: Well, Bill found the gangster Triad connection [1]. That was very, very telling. We found the kind of a network for the payoff in China for people that penetrated our system, Bill found that, searching in Macao. I found in Shanghai a very strange stock market that everybody claimed, when the president was there, was like the New York big board, and actually it is not. It's much more a computer trading operation. By that I mean computers and trading, not trader or trading operation. The building was owned by one Wang Jun of Polytechnologies, the guy who the president met with at the White House coffee, whose firm Polytechnologies was indicted for smuggling automatic weapons into America. I found that on site in Shanghai. QUESTION: How did you get in contact with the people that could direct you to the right sources? TIMPERLAKE: I'm the weapons guy. I used to work in the intelligence field on a contract chasing weapons. I had a job for Ronald Reagan as director of mobilization so I kind of knew the global threat in the old Cold War days--I still know it. Bill spent his whole adult life focusing on China so his contacts are extensive. Very extensive. He is one of the world's leading experts on The People's Republic of China. I'm much more the financial and weapons proliferation--things like that, that's my forte. QUESTION: Apart from the different reviews in the different magazines what kind of responses have you got? TIMPERLAKE: Oh yes, by the way we got rave reviews. People have been praising this book from coast to coast. It's been more of a talk radio phenomenon. I was treated very fairly by Larry King--he was very gracious. I was on CNN with Larry King and I want to say that he treated me very fairly. Brian Lamb of C-SPAN treated me very fairly and we very briefly touched some of the cable channels, but that's it. QUESTION: And how many copies of your book have been printed now? TIMPERLAKE: We believe 110,000, which is very positive because we have been told that this is the best selling foreign policy book in the last 10 years. I have been told that, but I can't verify that. QUESTION: And what do you think the reason is for this success? TIMPERLAKE: I think that the American people do--at some level--really care and when the word gets out they read the book and word-of-mouth really sells this book. People get angry when they read it because it's documented and for those that choose not to involve themselves with the Monica issue this shows the real betrayal of the oath of president Clinton. That's what really has people paying attention. QUESTION: The White House, the Department of Justice, and the mainstream press now seem in agreement that the only guilty parties in Chinagate are private companies and Chinese money launderers. Is Chinagate dead as a political issue? TIMPERLAKE: No, Ma'am. Because, regardless of what they are saying at The White House, the Department of Justice and the mainstream media, I think we, through some ability and through some luck have uncovered the truth. And the truth is the truth and it will come out. So regardless of whether they wish it to be a dead issue, betting the future of President Clinton and the Democratic party on the good behavior of The People's Republic of China is not a good idea. They (China) will not behave well if history shows any evidence of their previous behavior. Eventually something will happen. And it will affect Americans. I just hope we stop any problems before American military are threatened or killed or America is threatened again like we were in 1996 when we had carriers trying to stop the intimidation of Taiwan. They directly threatened America. I think that we really have put a spotlight on the event. I don't make a claim that we know the complete story. We don't know what we still don't know. But the truth is the truth and it's going to come out and it's going to be shocking. They can't ignore it over the long term. Johnny Chung is Reportedly Singing QUESTION: Is there more information not known to the public that you have not been able to include in your book or that you have learned after the book went to press? TIMPERLAKE: Yes there is, but two things: (1) Bill and I have surrendered our security clearances, we don't want to step over that line. I don't want to violate security. Both of us respect that. (2) We had a rule that we don't want to go on less than two sources or hard information--you know government reports or filings or things like that. But we heard a lot of rumors, some of which we believe and some of which are kind of way out there. We chose not to put those in the book because we don't want to speculate. One of them is that the money was much greater than the millions that we identified. And I want to make sure that your readers know that I'm speculating. The other part is that the corruption was deep and the Chinese operation was interconnected in China. We heard that the networks were better coordinated than we suspect. But we did not write any of that because we wanted to get facts, facts, facts, conclusion in the book. The book is solid that way. The reason why I'm saying what the rumors are is because eventually, over time, some of these may come out and be verified. QUESTION: So you say that you speculate that the money were much greater .... TIMPERLAKE: Yes, we did not put that in the book though, but you asked: what could happen in the future? Well they could find more money, they could break the conspiracy. You know a hundred people fled the country. And Johnny Chung did talk. That's one guy. Now, if anyone else is held accountable under penalty of prosecution for long criminal sentences and they start to talk, I think that there is going to be a lot more that the American people will hear about on a criminal conspiracy. But I am now speculating, because we don't know. QUESTION: But could you be more precise? You say that you are speculating that the money was much greater and in a wider conspiracy but there must be some reason for you to speculate? TIMPERLAKE: Yes there is, and I have not seen this first hand and I did not deal with grand jury information but I heard Johnny Chung talked a little bit about the relationships and the interconnections. His spy master was Lieut. Col. Liu and apparently they were a little bit gossipy. But that's just pure speculations. QUESTION: Now the Cox Committee report... TIMPERLAKE: We gave input to it and they did keep it buttoned up, they didn't leak. As a staffer I was part of the rules committee that set it up. Chairman Cox stood up with ranking minority Mr. Dicks just before the new year. They settled for consensus. And it's no surprise that there seems to be now a move to show that all administrations, dating God knows how far back, did much of the same thing. I will disagree with that completely, because our investigation shows that money changed hands directly in the Clinton White House. And we never heard any of those accusations (under Reagan and Bush). There weren't even accusations made. They may have had bad policies in the other administrations that we disagreed with, but no one ever accused them for doing it for graft reasons that they accuse the President of the United States and his team of. That's the difference. Bill and I believe that, because we have seen that it's an order of magnitude greater. By that I mean a lot of the fixes and upgrades in strategic systems and the selling of satellite technology and the upgrades in the missile ranges have been pretty dramatic in this president's time in office. The failure to invoke and kind of sanctions for The People's Republic of China, who are trading weapons to rogue nations, that is very telling and very bad for the men and women in uniform who may have to fight against those weapons some day. You know, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya--the People's Republic of China has dealings with them. They also have dealings in south Asia. And we now have a major nuclear arms and missile race down there between India and Pakistan. That is a great concern. The world is a far more dangerous place now thanks to the President of the United States. Directly. I'm very blunt in saying that. QUESTION: The Cox report shows that there were scientists cooperating with China before the Clinton administration. TIMPERLAKE: Yes. The People's Republic of China have tried to penetrate America since they became a nation. Sometimes they have been successful, sometimes not. But it has been massive (under the Clinton administration). Johnny Chung, who was paid by Colonel Liu, penetrated to the oval office. I mean Johnny Chung, Colonel Liu--a senior spy! You can't characterize it in any other way. I mean, she went to the spy academy! She is the daughter of a senior general. She set up a sham corporation called Marswell and gave Chung money to buy her way in to see the president. He (Chung) admits that, he has been found guilty. They have been penetrated to the highest level. QUESTION: So do you think that the public will ever learn about all these things? TIMPERLAKE: Yes, and I just hope that they will learn about it through the book, our book and others, your writings on it, and that they don't learn about it from the hard lesson of weapons being used against our troops or America being threatened in some form of fashion at the time of a crisis like we were in 1996. At that time Charlie Trie, the bag man gangster, delivered a letter to the president saying that China has a history of going to war over issues like what we were doing in protecting Taiwan. He delivered that letter at the height of the crisis. So the American people hopefully will learn the depth of the danger before they are taught it in a very tragic and perhaps profound way. That's my prayer for the future. QUESTION: And the public will also learn new things as some of those you have mentioned. TIMPERLAKE: Oh yes it's not over. QUESTION: Do you think new things are going to happen because of the impeachment trial? TIMPERLAKE: Yes we have high hopes that chairman Hyde, once he is finished with the impeachment trial, regardless of the outcome, with Mr. Schippers will do oversight on the Justice Department. We are hoping that happens. We are hoping that both the House and Senate intelligence committees will go into this. That is our great hope. And independent of the debate over the Cox findings, I hope the Cox Committee recommendations are handled in a bipartisan way quickly to fix the problem right now, regardless of assigning blame. Separate that, make it a second track and fix the problem quickly. QUESTION: Lastly, you occasionally post on the Free Republic forum on the Internet? TIMPERLAKE: Yes, Bill does that, I'm not that clever. But yes, we use the Free Republic to find out if we have a book distribution problem. We are very concerned if we are going out of stock. The demand was great and we found out that we did have a gap right during the Christmas buying season. They didn't have enough books published to meet the demand. So we went to Free Republic to ask them to look around and see if they could find the books and the information we got we used with the publisher to upgrade and to motivate them into publishing more. Free Republic is helpful in that respect. QUESTION: So what, in your opinion, is the impact of the Internet on Washington today? TIMPERLAKE: I think it's dramatic, I think it's effective, I think it is moving the debate. The man in the street now has the opportunity at very low cost to get his news unfiltered. I think the Internet is a very powerful means of communication, and I think it is going to become more powerful. And very bluntly, if I were doing national news shows I would be concerned. Maybe the people are starting to follow the Internet to get the raw story so they can make their own decisions. They don't need people to read the filtered information to them on national media. Now, whether that is going to be a short term spark or a long term cycle that will change the way in which we make our decisions as human beings, I just don't know. That's the 65,000 dollar question because a lot of people will make a lot of money when they figure it out. But right now it's very dramatic. Drudge's reports are dramatic, Larry Klayman posting on the internet is dramatic, Gary Aldrich being vindicated is dramatic. So there is an element of telling raw information to the American people and trusting their judgment and that's a good thing. 1. The book "Year of the Rat: How Bill Clinton Compromised U.S. Security for Chinese Cash" is now available at a discount through Amazon: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0895263335/washingtonweeklyA/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Published in the Jan. 25, 1999 issue of The Washington Weekly. Copyright © 1999 The Washington Weekly (http://www.federal.com). Reposting permitted with this message intact. Read other material of the Washington Weekly Subscribe to the Washington Weekly ----- Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, Omnia Bona Bonis, All My Relations. Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. 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