[CTRL] Solana? a Vatican Puppet? Is ZZuukie a NaZZi ...???

[David Sutherland]

-Caveat Lector- ----- Original Message ----- From: Zuukie To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] More Solana - a Vatican Puppet - Israel or Ishmael? -Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- David, You are nothing but a sycophant of the New Age leaders.  So how do you think I'd scrub up in a turquoise robe and with golden wand?    I suppose next you'll be claiming I'm a Satanist.   I'll have to practice my evil, diabolic laugh -- "Bwhahahahahhaha! Mwhahahahaha!"   Cough! Cough! Cough! Well -- I'm sure with your help I'll get there!  The New Age attack started at the time of the Fabian movement at the turn of the century and has continued on the monotheistic religions, and that includes Jew and Catholics. It would have been more accurate if you noted that most religious Muslims and Jews are 'monotheists'. In fact, Islam is the largest 'monotheist' religion on the planet. How come you neglect that fact in every post?   Catholics worship a trinity of gods and a goddess they call the Virgin "queen of heaven" -- so how you can say they are monotheists is a little unnerving about your knowledge of religion.   Particularly so, since I think you claim to be a Jewish person and Catholics are well-known idolaters who break the commandment of 'G-d' not to make, worship or bow before lifeless idols including effigy's of their god Jesus -- theologically a blasphemous concept to religious Jews.   Further, in principle what exactly is wrong with some new movement having a go at running the show? The Jews, Catholics, Islamists and et al have had a go of it for hundreds of years. What a mess of the world they've made.   We need far less religion (none at all would be nice) and far more Enlightenment in the world today.     Antisemites are those who say that because all Jews are not morally perfect, all Jews are morally imperfect.  That same line of thinking goes for your views on Catholics.  Catholics who don’t live up to the ideals of the Catholic faith do not take away from the value of the morality which Catholics all over the world attempt to follow. There are no morally perfect people. Your own mind betrays that truth when you say people "ATTEMPT to follow" this or that 'moral' thingamabob.   The only 'perfect' moralists are usually bigots, racists, hate-mongers, Nazis, witch-hunters and commissars who have the view that they alone are moral and have the right to judge the rest of society as immoral -- even to the extent that they feel they must rid the world of evil (non-moral) people and evil (non-moral) thoughts.   Hitler thought he was the most moral man alive as did his henchmen. "The Third Reich is the first world power which not only acknowledges but also puts into practice the high principles of the papacy." -- Franz von Papen; Hitler’s Vice-Chancellor; legate to Pope Pius XII and the arch-negotiator of the pact between the Vatican and the Nazis.   You see, these people thought that the "morality" they espoused and practiced came from god himself via the high moral "principles" of the pope and papacy.   People who are genuinely decent folks, have little need to speak or shout about themsleves being 'moral'.      Catholics leadership, like Jewish leadership, has to deal with the fact that others are out to destroy them.  To that end they play politics as every other group does.  This means exposing those who are out to destroy them, who lie about them, who work behind the scenes.  They share information, make friends where they can and attempt to be on top of what is happening. It's curious then, that whilst you imply and espouse a "behind the scenes" network of activities of powerful establishment religious hierarchies like Catholicism, you rail in other posts against loose-networks of peacenik, flower sniffing, magic crystal waving New Agers, who hold a non-violent approach to world problems and try to find common ground with one another.   You are so hung up on hating Catholics that it has skewed your view of reality.  Now you're getting a little uppity and emotive. Do remember -- you condemned emotionalism as recently as your last post. Well I'm not hung up about anything really. When you get all excited and uppity you just tend to blather gibberish. But I understand -- its just human.   This clichéd "hating Catholics" stuff is very passé -- its one of those all-purpose epithets that are tossed-out by the PC crowd when they are flustered, angry, and have nothing of substance to say.   If you were a genuine person possessed with your alleged high moral principles, why have you not spoken out against the daily plethoric hate and libel (much of it of a very personal) directed toward your own President?    Hypocrisy -- is Zuukie thine name? I am not about to trade attack dog posts with you. Well I was just talking and giving opinion. I try and make logical constructs and show inconstancy in your arguments. There were moments, but I didn't realise fully it is just a bitch session for you.   The websites and libraries are full of disinformation attacks on every group imaginable.  To pull some such statements from one of your kin and build a picture around it is really not credible. How bizarre? To deny the very foundational methodology of your own conspiracy guru Ms Cumbey and her style of proof-text-ism! What's happened? Are you finally beginning to see the light? "Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the LORD is risen upon thee. For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee." -- Isaiah 60:1-2  If you really want to sound credible, work on quotes from individuals in a  group such as TTP and show how individuals connected with the group are doing specific things that work against a better world.   Show how what they are doing is part of basic Catholic morality that is being promoted by Catholics across the world. Deary -- I know this will probably come as a bit of a shock -- but I'm not here to espouse YOUR inbred conspiracy theories.   That's something you need to work on and do for yourself!   Your posts are rather useless in terms of learning what is happening in the world although they seem to be emotionally gratifying to you. Well then they aren't "useless" are they. Besides, you seem rather hooked on them -- can't help responding.    From what I gather, you've wasted an inordinate amount of time nosing through forums, books and sensationalist conspiracy theories. It doesn't appear to have enlightenment you one bit as a human being or how the world runs.   In fact, this "knowledge" you think you possess appears to have had a rather detrimental effect on your psyche.You seem to marginalise and segregate certain minority groups and ideas opposed to freedom-strangling monopolistic religions. You have a snobby, corporate, establishment attitude toward people who you imply are useless eaters like the unemployed. You have a narcissistic self-importance and think others are dumb and useless who do not agree with you.   You also seem to hold a victim attitude. You mention the Jewish victims of Nazism frequently. You empathise with the Jews - the victims. Most people do. They are shocked and aghast when footage, news or personal tales of horror are spoken of. People see the perpetrators as brutal inhuman acts of human devils. But what they don't often see is that these monsters are just all too human.    What separates Zuukie from the Nazi's or their Victims?   Are we all potentially one and the same? If people thus question themselves, will it better assist them in not potentially becoming either Perpetrator or Victim, neither 'Nazi' nor 'Jew'?   I would simply suggest Zuukie, that when you hear hypnotic, shamanic voices speak of gods, devils and conspiracy theories, you have to rid yourself of the illusion of the commonly cherished meanings of these terms and look beyond to their political significance as mere instruments of political persuasion. Look at who they panegyrize and who they demonise. What is their "worldview" -- that is, what is their pre-packaged paradigm for boxed-in-brains that will only take you from one cerebral cage into another.     Dave.     <A HREF="">www.ctrl.org</A> DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion & informational exchange list. 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