-Caveat Lector- This response came for the post The 13 satanic bloodlines by Fritz Springmeier. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [prj] [EMAIL PROTECTED] BF>There's one small problem, and I'm sure that the author could clear it up because he seems to really understand his subject. The "Illuminati" as conspiracy devil seemed to begin with the instigation of two elites who were threatened by democratic change, the Jesuits and the British aristocracy and moneyed elites who made up the bulk of the "Crown" Masons. Both of these groups resented the revolutionaries who threatened their power. The claim was that the American and French Revolutions were tools of the supposed "Illuminati"; in what appears to have been a disinformation attempt against the rising masses <see Daniel Pipes, who IS correct on this one>. Today's New World Order, initially based on British Imperialism and still largely imperial in its foundation, seems to use the same disinformation, subtly shifting the emphasis from the real origins of the occult technology of power from its real hidden source over to a group of eighteenth century intellectuals <Like that blasted TOM PAINE!>, who threatened their ancestors with revolt of the masses. A perfect Judo move on the rulers' part! What scholars have suggested is that there is a real confusion here engendered by the fact that the actual Illuminati are much older than Weishaupt's radical Kindergarten, and that Weishaupt used the term "Illuminati" as an irony, turning the elite's own occultism against them in a judo move of his own <Robert Anton Wilson>. If Weishaupt's phony "Illuminism" survived the repression of Church and State, the joke is still on because, today, it is undoubtedly thoroughly ingratiated in to today's opposition movements, including patriot groups who do not realize that their own ideology has its roots in Weishauptianism. The REAL Illuminati do not mess around, so this theory goes, and crushed Weishaupt in a reactionary move against all who would threaten the rule of Kings, and that of a thoroughly controlled Church. The REAL Illuminati would seem to be very ancient, and not atheistic, Deistic, or revolutionary at all, but committed to upholding the ancient rule of the pagan Priesthoods. It would make sense that they would be strongly anti-Semitic as well as anti-Christian, and potentially behind the whole "Judeo-Masonic" conspiracy theory as part of an attack on Marxism, anarchism, revolution, and other "Jewish theories". The Illuminati, holding vast influence over the City of London and the elite of New York, would be reactionary in politics, yet not at all unwilling to deal with post-revolutionary Communist societies. The real threat to the Trilats and other capitalist parties never really appeared to have been the Soviet Union, or even China, but the Third World, along with the domestic anarchists of the West. These ideological descendants of Weishaupt, and others who believed in Illuminism yet who believed that its secrets should be shared democratically and not hoarded by an elite, did much to threaten the reactionary rule of the Establishement during the Sixties, and still threaten it under the guise of Constitutional Patriotism in the nineties. The REAL Illuminati <the scary dudes>, could be said to be behind a lot of death in the name of preserving heirarchy against what they believe is "social decay". They are probably split in direction between their Rockefeller and British/Crown component factions, along with a faction representing controlled religious heirarchies, and perhaps even liberals in their wings who may have some yearnings for more democratization of wealth and power, and even a willingness to consider honest monetary reform. If this thread of thought has any truth to it, it maight explain why a NWO consensus, with clear roots in occult illuminism, could share the name "Illuminati" with radical dissenters. I think that the radical dissenters were trying to democratize the elite's occult secrets, and may have paid a very heavy price for it. Marx himself may have begun as a dissenter, though I tend to think he probably was absorbed by the reactionary/occult Illuminati more and more as he turned towards authoritarianism and rejection of anarchism <ie "the old Karl Marx vs, the Young Hegelian">. Regardless of the specifics, the dissenters within the Illuminist secret societies, Weishaupt and others, became scapegoats upon which conspiracy theorists would blame the entire New World Order, creating confusion, and diverting attention from the actual reality of mass manipulation. I tend to believe that Weishaupt's Illuminati was predicated on the practice of "Illumination", which was always a secret of Kings and Priests who wanted sway over the masses. The attempt to use "the Man's" own techniques against him presented the opportunity for Weishaupt to obtain a big ego, and perhaps to blaspheme God as his own Church-alligned critics suggested, and therefore to fall in to the very spiritual darkness of his enemies, a darkness which he as a "free-thinker" was unprepared to deal with. If true, it is a lesson to us all! Think about its warning to us today. The real way to freedom is not to equate God with the corrupt Priesthoods <"throwing the baby out with the bathwater">, or to assume that death is only sleep, but to follow purified spiritual truth. False freedom, or freedom FROM morality, can only lead back to the darkness. To all appearance, Weishaupt's Illuminati was A>reabsorbed in to the occult ruler of the ancient Priesthoods or B>absorbed in to the new temples of high finance. Perhaps both. Some strains of unabsorbed undoubtedly survive among anarchists on one end of the spectrum, and non-corporate "human rights" globalists on the other. These are small groups, and the powerful Illuminati of taday which controls banks and armies comprises no group of Enlightenment professors in Bavaria or Commie professors in Berkeley; but comprises instead a powerful marriage of Fascistic finance with occultism that appears to see radical depopulation as the only alternative to revolution and the "Jewish Red menace". This is the most plausible way I can think of viewing the question at this time. It seems to address the confusion around the term "Illuminati" which I never quite could before. Perhaps I will stand corrected with more information. MHO, subject to change with facts and argument. "I know nothing"-Socrates. Fritz Springmeier's book, "The 13 satanic bloodlines," can be found > online at > > http://www.islandnet.com/~persewen/bloodline_index.htm DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. 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