-Caveat Lector- THE MEDIA ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Sunday night 21st of feb on radio 702(owned by mr William Kirsch) a panel discussion is held between an advocate of Israel (David),the announcer(Kate Turkington), and Jon Qwelane. Jon Qwelane is a leading black journalist closely tied with the ANC and the was involved in the black consciousness movement. Although willing to criticise the ANC government, he is better known for his long and multiple diatribes against whites. He denies being a racist and declares that he criticises only things that deserve criticism. He is a close associate of Nelson Mandela and was the only journalist invited as a guest to his recent wedding The conversation goes something like this Qwelane- Judaism is a racist religion and the talmud is a racist book. David - (interrupting repeatedly)-How can you say that Qwelane- In the talmud it says that to kill a gentile is not a crime. David- (interrupting repeatedly)- this is nonsense Qwelane- In the Talmud it says that if a gentile falls into a pit you do not have to help him. A Jew may not Kill him but if there is a ladder in the pit that could save him,a Jew can remove it. To kill a gentile is not a crime . It is a crime against against God. That is its up to the Jews own conscience to choose Kate how can you say that Jon.(in a rising voice) I've never heard such a thing. Qwelane I stand by everything I say and am willing to debate with any Rabbi. I dont hate Jews. I just hate it when they deny what is there in their book. Etc Etc ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- A letter appearing in the black press is given below,word for word . These days to see anti white writing is fairly common. In order to give it some more impact I have slightly changed some words to give it a different perspective. it is appropiate to considers that the whites in southern africa are a small and very vulnerable minority. Letters such as given below are not common. But they are starting to appear with much greater frequency as are anti-jewish comments such as given above. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- One wonders who legalised the white man in Africa while our brothers are labelled immigrants When the former pirates landed in Africa they raped killed and captured our ancestors and still have them in captivity to this day. Have you Tom Singiswwa asked yourself ehy our people in the USA are called african americans.It was through the white man who you adore as saviour, Singiswa. wake up and emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Africans for Africa, europeans for europe. Ungodly as you sound Tim you can never liberate africa and you will never find peace with jah(god) as long as you hate your brothers and prefer your white oppressors. Black people are the choldren of one man, jacob, the father of the 12 tribes. Read your bible and tell which land was invaded and tormented by people from the west Your education must not strip you of your africaness. Ubuntu. Africans unite, one black nation Skhumbuzo Ngwenya, Soweto City Press, 29,Jan 1999 One wonders who legalised the Jew in germany while our brothers are labelled immigrants When the former pirates invaded in Germany they raped killed and captured our ancestors and still have them in captivity to this day. Have you T.S. asked yourself why our people in the USA have forgotten their birthrite.It was through the Jews who you adore as saviour, TS. wake up and emancipate yourself from mental slavery. Germany for the Germans, Israel for the jews. Ungodly as you sound Tim you can never liberate Germany and you will never find peace with jah(god) as long as you hate your brothers and prefer your Jewish oppressors. Aryans people are the children of one man, jacob, the father of the 12 tribes. Read your bible and tell which land was invaded and tormented by people from the east Your education must not strip you of your Aryan nature. Brotherhood. Aryans unite, one aryan nation A. H., Berlin --------- All the dominant english press is now in the hands of black owned companies aligned with the ANC(eg Times media is owned by Johnic which is run by Cyril Ramaphosa, the former no3 in the ANC) or owned those sympathetic to the ANC(ie The independent group run by mr O'reilly) . Both paper groups were formerly owned by Harry Oppenheimer and he sold them to parties dominated by government aligned groups. He had also previously dominated the press in Rhodesia and likewise sold the major paper group to Mugape's party. It should be noted that anglo american have listed on the london stock exchange and the top of anglo american have now left the country. Mr oppenheimer remains but is well into his 90's. (Mr Oppenheimer although of jewish origin is an anglophile. All his top management come from oxford or cambridge. One of the top anglo american executives-clem sunter qualification in the mining world was to have read medieval philosophy at either oxford or cambridge) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- CRIME ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- What is also happening with increasing frequency is example such as given below. similar crimes in urban areas are not given prominence as there is no active pressure group for the urban situation. This is not defined as a hate crime in South africa ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Elderly farm couple found with throats slit Northern Province police and a defence force helicopter yesterday searched for three suspects in the murders of an elderly farmer and his wife on a smallholding near Naboomspruit. One of the suspects was an employee of the victims, Gert van der Merwe (73) and his wife Fransina (68). They were ambushed on Sunday night as they returned from town after a church service. Police spokesperson Captain Blackie Swart said Mr van der Merwe drove his bakkie in through the farm gate and dropped his wife in front of the couple's house. He drove around the house to the garage, parked his car and was ambushed by three men when he got out. "The attackers shot and wounded Mr van der Merwe, but he ran towards the house, probably in an attempt to warn his wife about the men," Swart said. Mrs van der Merwe walked outside, at which point both she and her husband were grabbed and dragged on to the veranda, where their throats were cut. The murderers ransacked the house, but did not steal any of the vehicles on the farm, Swart said, presumably because none of them could drive. "It was a dreadful sight when I arrived on the scene. The first thing I saw was Mrs van der Merwe's false teeth, which had obviously been knocked out of her mouth during her struggle." Two wheelbarrows used to transport the stolen property were found abandoned a few hundred metres away. The victims' bodies were found early yesterday by a neighbour, Jaco Gouws, who called the police. He said the victims had not been particularly wealthy, and that they had only kept a few sheep and a couple of pigs. Swart said the search for the suspects would continue at first light today. Sapa http://www.inc.co.za/online/news2/south_africa/crime/nabo.html ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- In the old south africa , for better or worse crime was contained within each population groups and the police went chasing after political opponents of apartheid. Since the de facto fall of apartheid in 1990 the old black violent crime, which is approximately 15x that of the white and indian levels has now spread to all communities. The black community still however bears the brunt of crime. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- THE ECONOMY ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- One of the ANC's policies is to promote " transformation" and wide spread affirmative action. this has meant not just widescale displacing of whites from government positions ( which happened to the english when the afrikaners took over in 1948)but widescale strict quotas on population groups that any company (over 50 people) can employ. The government has also taken the power to define what the maximum ratio of income that can occur in a company. This power has not yet been applied. In effect the ANC is using the national socialist route in handling the economy. Rather than nationalising all industries it is implementing legislation that forces the companies to carry out its social and ethnic policies. POLITICS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- >From a number of independent sources I have heard that the future president of south africa, mr Thabo Mbeki hates whites and hates them(us) with a passion. mr Mbeki is a suave ,sophisticated and very clever politician who does not reveal his emotions and so his attitudes are not well publicised. This attitude is very common amongst the black elite who regard the whites as parasites and a block to their progress(various attitude surveys) The one notable exception (as far as I can discern) is Cyril Rhamaphosa. He comes from the minority Venda tribe which prevented him becoming the heir apparent of Mandela and although a radical socialist was always rational in his objectives and with the advent of black dominated democracy has become a leading business man. Thabo Mbeki was a lifelong member of the communist party and dropped his membership only when he arrived back in the country. Regarded a sa Gucci communist it will be interesting to see how radical he remains -early legislative signs are not promising.Mbeki is at the moment being tutored by Vice president Gore. One of the present political developments is the rise in the paranoid style of politics(its what you get from reading to many conspiracy theories!). Even aids as a conspiracy to kill blacks has appeared on the maintime english news broadcasts. The increase in racial politics is likely to increase as the elections approach and whites can become a scapegoat if the economy continues to fail to perform. Will the paranoia proceed to a full san domingo option. I doubt it but a few rough years ahead are likely. The ANC is these day more secure in its power and much less threatened by the right white which has effectively been neutered and no longer a viable political opponent. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- Business Day 22 February 1999 Mugabe turns his wrath on Cyril Michael Hartnack HARARE - President Robert Mugabe has accused Johnnic chairman Cyril Ramaphosa of disowning his African roots by failing to silence newspapers which criticised the detention and torture of two journalists. He told Harare's diplomatic corps on Thursday that Ramaphosa was "a white man in a black man's skin". Diplomatic sources said they understood Mugabe to be referring to Johnnic's indirect interest in Business Day and the Financial Mail through Times Media Ltd, which has a 50% holding in BDFM. In a television interview with state media heads on Saturday, Mugabe returned to the theme. He was told: "There are some blacks who have acquired these media conglomerates. It appears they have joined these whites in attacking Zimbabwe." He replied: "Well, these are black white men and they are really putting on the master's cap. In some cases, you will discover that the wealth they say they have they have acquired through some bosses or through some conduit leading from some multinational benefiting them, and it's not really the wealth of the majorities." Mugabe said he was "good friends" with President Nelson Mandela, and when he remonstrated with Mandela and Deputy President Thabo Mbeki about the hostility of SA's media towards him, he was told they had called Mbeki "stupid". Mugabe said the media in SA remained committed to apartheid as the independent press in Zimbabwe was to Rhodesia's 1965 unilateral declaration of independence. "You know the mentality, it is dying hard.... This is the fight: it is black and white, pure and simple," he said. Mugabe renewed his demand that judges critical of the illegal detention and alleged torture of journalists should quit, despite his attack on Thursday on the foreign and independent local media for "fomenting rumours" of a constitutional crisis involving the judiciary. Contradicting assurances that International Monetary Fund (IMF) delegates said Zimbabwean treasury chiefs gave them during talks on further $55m-$88m budget support, Mugabe said 841 white farms would be taken over despite setbacks in the courts, and their white owners would be given IOUs. Last week the Administrative Court ratified pledges that the Oppenheimer family would within 60 days be paid the full Z$2,35m sought for its 5000ha ranch 400km southeast of Harare. Mugabe accused the IMF of "being political" in delaying aid and said: "If we have to do without them, we will have to. It will be nothing new." Th Star 22 February 1999 Mugabe blames West and white plot for woes Harare President Robert Mugabe fiercely attacked his critics and scorned Western governments in a TV interview at the weekend. He blamed his country's economic crisis on a white plot and accused Western embassies in Zimbabwe of trying to subvert his regime. He denounced the judiciary and the foreign and local independent press. He also backtracked on promises a month ago to Western donors that he would halt his threatened radical seizure of white-owned farms, a move which is expected to see the International Monetary Fund again hold back on desperately needed concessional finance. Observers said Mugabe appeared tense and nervous during the interview screened on state television on Saturday night, on the eve of his 75th birthday. Mugabe strongly denied he was out of touch with political reality, and also refused to discuss retirement. The political situation, he said, "is good, in respect of the black community". Asked about the large number of outspoken black critics, he said: "It's a black white man, just really wearing the master's hat." He also slammed the country's internationally respected judiciary over petitions that he commit himself to the rule of law. He called the four judges who signed the petitions on behalf of the judiciary "the gang of four", and urged them to "pack up and go". When it was pointed out to him that he had no power to dismiss the judges, he said: "We haven't looked (into) that." When it was pointed out that a special land court was in the process of dismissing government moves to take over 841 farms because of legal blunders, Mugabe responded: "What the (land) court decides is its own affair. What we decide is in the interest of the people and that is paramount." Sapa All Material © copyright Independent Newspapers 1999 Out of touch' Mugabe goes off pop over press HARARE: President Robert Mugabe fiercely attacked his critics in a television interview this weekend and scorned Western governments. He blamed the country's economic crisis on a "white plot" and accused Western embassies here of trying to "subvert" his regime. He denounced the judiciary and the foreign and local independent press. He also backtracked on promises he gave a month ago to Western donors that he would halt his threatened radical seizure of white-owned farms, a move expected to see the International Monetary Fund again hold back on desperately needed finance which has been frozen for the past nearly four years. Observers said Mugabe appeared tense and nervous during the 50-minute interview screened on state television on Saturday night on the eve of his 75th birthday. He even appeared to be unsettled by mild questions from the heads of the three state media organisations interviewing him. "He cannot go on like this," said Mike Auret of the Catholic Commission for Justice and Peace in Zimbabwe. "The two public appearances in the last two weeks have been disastrous. "He is unable to accept responsibility for the crisis we are in. Everything that has gone wrong has been the fault of somebody else. He is totally out of touch." Mugabe strongly denied he was out of touch, and refused to discuss his retirement. "Three years I have done, three years to come," he said of his six-year term which expires in 2002. The political situation, he said, "is good, in respect of the black community". But he said whites "trying to relive their Rhodesian past" were responsible for a lot of clandestine activity. "They want to hold on to economic power and they are trying everything in their power to fight back. That is why we have the present concerns." Asked about the large number of outspoken black critics challenging him, he said: "It's a black white man, just wearing the master's hat." He also attacked the press in South Africa, saying Deputy President Thabo Mbeki had complained to him that South African papers were "calling me stupid". He added: "This is what we must fight together." Mugabe also slammed the country's judiciary over petitions sent to him which demanded that he commit himself to the rule of law, condemn torture and order an investigation into the illegal detention and torture last month of two journalists by military personnel. Sapa All Material © copyright Independent Newspapers 1999. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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