Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
On Wed, 31 May 2000, tenebroust wrote: First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have been faked. That's crap. beyond Earth? Even if the Dogon record actual alien visitation, which I doubt, it does nothing to support the same today. It does a

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e., regarding the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific investigation regarding the Dogon: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:05:55 -0700 (MST) From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DOGON: "TRACKING THE ALIEN ASTROENGINEERS" I just got this

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
[And, another tid-bit as far as the current status regarding the "scientific paradigm" regarding the Dogon, et al. --MS] LETTER TO THE EDITOR DID THE MAORI KNOW ABOUT THE RING OF JUPITER? Sir, Discussing the origin of the anomalously high astronomical knowledge of the Dogon [1], it would be

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
[Ooops, Here is Part 2 of 4 on this. --MS] On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e., regarding the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific investigation regarding the Dogon: (cont from Part 1) which contains the Sun. This world may

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
On Thu, 1 Jun 2000, MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: Here's a post I made to another list a while ago, i.e., regarding the STATE-OF-THE-ART on REAL scientific investigation regarding the Dogon: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 01:05:55 -0700 (MST) From: MICHAEL SPITZER [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DOGON:

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
(Part 4 of 4, regarding RIAP on The Dogon) It is known in astronomy that a white dwarf arises from a red giant as this loses its mass. This process is usually accompanied by a slow ejection of a planetary nebula which eventually dissipates into space. But sometimes the remaining core of the

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
[Ooops AGAIN:( I accidentally posted "Part 3" AGAIN as "Part 4." The following is the REAL final part, i.e., "Part 4 of 4." --MS] In a recent work [13] R.Ceragioli has made an attempt to solve the riddle of Sirius' redness in the context of classical philology: the color red was in

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
From: "nessie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know about the research on the Betty Hill star maps. Tell the story. I'll listen. From what I've read (and I suspect I have many more decades of reading on the matter than Samantha), for years the 'star map' that Betty Hill drew was touted as 'proof' of

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread Ynr Chyldz Wyld
From: "MICHAEL SPITZER" [EMAIL PROTECTED] First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have been faked. That's crap. And your EVIDENCE that it's 'crap'? beyond Earth? Even if the Dogon record actual alien visitation, which I doubt, it does nothing to

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread nessie
Yuriy N. Morozov, Ph.D. A guy I don't know says that a guy he don't know says that a guys who's dead heard from another guy who's dead a story about how some mythological being may have looked, so therefore UFO are ET. Right. Sure. If I ever get arrested for a crime, I sure hope Mike Spitzer

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread DIG alfred webre
In a message dated 00-05-31 19:50:20 EDT, you write: Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs? Nessie - You ARE a sly one,

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread tenebroust
That's right Michael at best it would support the notion that aliens came here from somewhere else at some time in the past, and have nothing to say about anything happening today. I don't put much weight into it though based on other work done investigating it. As for your comments about

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-06-01 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: what different things do you think the UFOs are? See: http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/15.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are

[CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread DIG alfred webre
We thank learnerone for making these URL-references available. Let the Games begin! Alfred = This should silence any debunker or doubter. http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/ufo31.pdf 26-pg report includes Air Force pilots' accounts of "zig zagging flight patterns," "hovering

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: This should silence any debunker or doubter. Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs? A

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread Andrew Hennessey
Look, I don't doubt, and am not trying to debunk, UFOs. I've seen two of them, one fairly close. They exist. What I'm questioning is their ET origin. Where is the forensic evidence of an ET origin for UFOs? never heard of the DOGON TRIBE - its one of the passe basics or the research done on

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
All of which offer excellent (if anecdotal) evidence for the EXISTENCE OF UFO'S, not one bit of evidence that they are of extraterrestrial origin or that there are any aliens aboard them. I thought we could all agree that UFO's are a real phenomenon. At least I don't need convincing that

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread tenebroust
First of all the Dogon Tribe's star origin and stellar mythology may, indeed, have been faked. But let us set that aside for a minute and presume that their mythology is correct how does that offer proof that any UFO's that are seen are extraterrestrial craft being piloted by aliens from

Re: [CTRL] UFO EVIDENCE: http://www.nsa.gov/docs/efoia/released/ufo/

2000-05-31 Thread nessie
[EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: never heard of the DOGON TRIBE - its one of the passe basics or Not true. They could have easily heard about it from Europeans, or even South Africans travelling through Dogan territory. It was known to science for decades and decades before the story was