-Caveat Lector- The argument below can possibly be synthesised. The Schiffs readily admitted funding the menshevik revolution(the first)(See the Book The Warburgs -Chernov) but did not (openly)admit to funding the Bolsheviks. However, initially, Trotsky was a menshevik and only later switched to the Bolshevik(I cant remember why he switched). Thus it is possible that the schiffs funded Trotsky......who later allied with the Bolsheviks. John PS whats happened to Tony...The CIA got him? or has he been put in cold fusion storage -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 09 September 1999 05:34 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] GAVIN PHILLIPS-- REPLY TO PUBLICEYE.ORG -Caveat Lector- Thank you Gavin for pointing out these apparent discrepancies Let me try to explain the problem. Ive been working away at this conspiracy area in its various aspects since about 1960, and so has Ed Griffin, whom I have known for 20+ years with much respect . Back in the early 1970's I worked through the State Department Decimal file ( the CIA of 1920), the files of the War Trade Board, the British Foreign Office Confidential files and the German OKW files.. If you look at my WALL STREET AND THE BOLSEHVIK REVOLUTION( Buccaneers Book) and AMERICAS SECRET ESTABLISHMENT ( LIBERTY HOUSE PRESS) you will find I base the case on ORIGINAL documents (telegrams, letters, memos, S&B membership list etc). No one has ever refuted these documents. >From the research viewpoint it leaves open whether Schiff and Jewish bankers. also financed the Bolsheviks. If you read the appendix in BOLSHEVIK REVOLUTION you will find a review of the Jewish banker argument .At that time I had no evidence that they provided any funds and I still have no documentary evidence. However I did find disinformation coming out of the WAR TRADE BAORD directed by John Foster Dulles, close to the Wall Street operators (Morgan, Thompson, Thacher)o. This is confirmed in the Scotland Yard files. I have always based arguments on documentary evidence at hand. If anyone has documentary material contrary to my argument then I assuredly would like to see it.. On the other hand I do not rely on quotes from interested parties. In no way does this detract from the decades long work of Edward Griffin. This is a murky.field and we all, me included, tread warily. Show me some original documents, Gavin. Thank you for your interest. TONY SUTTON. DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ======================================================================== Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ ======================================================================== To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
