Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [EWAR] WARNING, WARNING - PLEASE READ IMMEDIATELY!

[RGates8254]

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In a message dated 12/31/98 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
snip

  EVENT:After crossing the street (Le Conte, going south on Westwood)
  legally.  Two cars attempting to make a left hand turn into traffic drove
  into the pedestrian zone - insisting by their movements that I needed to
  hurry and get out of their way because traffic was now coming at them.  In
  other words, they were about to be hit, and I was just soft sided
  pedestrian.  It was the third time that week that this had happened.  I
  suddenly was overcome with "road rage" pedestrian-style.  There was no
  vehicle traffic either north or south on Westwood, but the light was still
  green.  To express my anger, I crossed against the light.  There was no
  traffic coming, please remember that.  Yes, I was jay-walking.  Maybe for
  the third time in my life.  A UCLA squad turned on its lights while
crossing
  Le Conte going south - against the light.  The officer got out and asked me
  for some I.D.  I did not have any.  I had taken the bus to work (therefore,
  I do not usually carry my driver's license), and my I.D. badge was in my
  desk drawer in my office - a block from where I was standing.  The officer
  asked my once again to produce some I.D.  I stated that I was homeless (I
  live in an RV on the streets of Los Angeles, the people I work for know
  this, it is no problem - I am clean, dress nicely, and do my job).  I also
  stated that I had no I.D.  Whereupon, he made a statement - which I could
Speaking from the point of view of a former police officer, it is no surprise
that a person that has no  ID and admits to be homeless will
garner more police interest then a person with ID.
  The unfortunate aspect of this case is how the cops handled it.  The could
have
handled it reasonably, or outrageous.  Sounds to me like they took the
outrageous
approach.

  not hear - into the receiver around his neck.  Within a minute, we were
  surrounded by patrol cars.  The Watch Commander jumped out, and ordered me
  to spread eagle and bend over.  My purse and brief case was already sitting
  next to the first patrol car where I had been ordered to place them.  From
  almost the beginning, I had been calling attention to passer-by on the
  street that I was homeless without I.D. and that was the reason I was being
  Another possibility exists that the police had been looking for some suspect
in a case and you fit the *general description,* so they detained you in an
attempt to
check out your ID.  Still the conduct was outrageous.

  held.  At one point, after the female officer had hand cuffed me and was
  doing a physical search - i.e., this is no exaggeration, shoving her fist
up
  my crouch three times - no, NOT just running her hand over my body; plus,
  pinching my breasts in circular motions - also three times.  Finally, I
  asked the officer next to me why I was being arrested.  He stated "because
  you have a big mouth."  I repeated this statement to anyone who was passing
  If this is all that happened and a bystander wintess will come forward and
verify your story, I would suggest that you get an attorney and sue them.

  by.  I was being arrested for having a big mouth.  Whereupon, the officer
  stated he was going to pepper spray me and throw me in jail with gang
  members.  I was in fact crammed into the first officer's squad and driven
to
  a cell in the Campus Police Station.  Even though, on the very short drive
  to it, I remembered that I in fact had my driver's license because I had
  brought my credit cards with the intention of getting some cash out of the
  ATM on the way home, to tide me over the long 4 day weekend - Christmas!
No
  matter.  I would still need to be put in a jail cell, provide fingerprints
  and photo (of a very tired lady with unkempt hair - who knew).  Yes, I was
  given a ticket.  There was some confusion on the part of the first officer
  on the scene.  He did not know what to law to cite on the ticket.  I had
  been arrested, not for jay-walking.  No, I am going to court because I was
  unable to identify myself.  I wish this was the end of the story, and it
  would have no importance for you.  But, it does not.

  December 29, 1998 at 10:30 AM, I walked over the Campus Police Station to
  get a complaint form.  I was made to wait 20 minutes with two different
  excuses.  1) the Watch Commander was on the telephone with another citizen;
  2) the Watch Commander was out in the field and would be returning.
   Finally, at 10:50 AM, Lt. Manny Garza walked in and threw a red "visitors"
  badge on the counter.  I told him I just wanted a Complaint Form that I
  could fill out away from the station, as I was sure that the officers
  involved in the event would see me there filling out the form.  Lt. Garza
  said I would be fine, and he was there to convince me that the Campus
Police
  were good officers.  We walked back to an interview room, and sat down.
  First mistake was talking to 

[CTRL] Final Report of OKC Grand Jury

[Gavin Phillips]

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A complete whitewash. Gavin.

www.okcbombing.org/html/final_report.htm
The Final Report of the Oklahoma County Grand Jury

Investigating the Bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Building
on April 19, 1995

Oklahoma County Courthouse: 10:00 AM: 12/30/1998
read by Judge William R. Burkett in open court
EXPLOSION INVESTIGATION
Although we recognize that Section 346 of Title 22 of the Oklahoma
Statutes as interpreted in a recent Oklahoma Supreme Court decision
severely restricts our ability to report fully the results of our inquiry, we
offer the following information, opinions and recommendations based on
the evidence and testimony before us regarding the matter asked for by
the petition to convene us:
OVERVIEW
At 9:02 a.m. on April 19, 1995, Oklahoma City experienced the worst act of
domestic terrorism ever recorded in United States history, the bombing of
the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Within minutes local police, fire
and ambulance units arrived on the scene. By 9:30 a.m. the site was
cordoned off as a crime scene. Rescue efforts began immediately by
citizens and professionals alike.
The FBI assumed control of the crime scene and the investigation
because the target of this tragedy was a federal facility. At approximately
11:30 a.m. the rear axle housing of what later was identified as a Ryder
truck, was found on NW 5, in front of the Regency Tower Apartments,
where it had struck a vehicle and fallen onto the street. The Regency
Tower is located one block west of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building.
A partial vehicle identification number was retrieved from the axle and
used to trace the vehicle. It was traced to the Ryder Truck Rental
Company in Miami, Fla. Also found was the license tag off the Ryder
truck and the ignition key.
The Ryder Truck Rental Company in Florida issued that specific truck to
Elliott's Body Shop in Junction City, Kan. Through the ensuing interview
with Eldon Elliott, owner of Elliott's Body Shop, and employees Tom
Kessinger and Vicki Beemer, the FBI learned a 20-foot Ryder truck had
been rented at that facility on April 17, 1995 by Robert D. Kling. With the
assistance of Tom Kessinger, who had the best recollection of Mr. Kling
of the three body shop employees, a composite drawing was prepared by
FBI artists.
A canvas by FBI agents of the area around Junction City, including
businesses and motels, was immediately conducted. At the Dreamland
Motel, owner Leah McGowan remembered a man in a Ryder truck who
had been a recent guest there. She provided a description of the
individual to the FBI. When asked if she remembered the man's name, Ms.
McGowan identified him as Timothy McVeigh. Ms. McGowan was then
shown the composite drawing of John Doe No. 1 and was asked if
McVeigh resembled the drawing. The response was affirmative.
On April 21, 1995, the FBI conducted an NCIC (National Crime Information
Computer) inquiry on Timothy McVeigh and found he had been arrested
on April 19, 1995, at 10:20 a.m. in Perry. He was being held in the Noble
County Jail.
On the morning of April 19, 1995, Trooper Charlie Hanger, Oklahoma
Highway Patrol, was traveling north on I-35 between mile markers 202 and
203 in Noble County. Trooper Hanger initiated a traffic stop of a 1977
Mercury Marquis for failure to display a proper license plate. During this
routine stop, it became apparent to trooper Hanger that the driver of the
Mercury was carrying a concealed weapon. The driver, Timothy
McVeigh, was removed from his vehicle and placed in trooper Hanger's
car. He was subsequently arrested for failure to display a current license
plate, failure to maintain proof of insurance, unlawfully carrying a weapon,
and transporting a firearm. He was taken to the Noble County Jail. The
1977 Mercury was left on the side of I-35 at McVeigh's request. McVeigh
declined the offer of towing the car to Perry.
Upon learning of McVeigh's whereabouts, the FBI initiated further
investigation of his clothing and car. The FBI reported that particles of
ammonium nitrate were found on McVeigh's shirt. Residue from Primadet
cord, PETN, was found in both front pockets of his jeans. Earplugs found
on McVeigh's tested positive for nitroglycerin and EGDN  (indicative of
dynamite).
When he was booked into the Noble County Jail, McVeigh was wearing a
white T-shirt with a picture of Abraham Lincoln and the message SIC
SEMPER TYRANNIS on the front. On the back was the message, "The
Tree of Liberty must be Refreshed from Time to Time with the Blood of
Patriots and Tyrants," Thomas Jefferson. The words "refreshed," "with
the blood of" and "tyrants" were printed in red with the rest of the words
printed in black. The background is a tree, and several red droplets
representative of blood are positioned throughout the message.
The contents of the car revealed a hand printed sign, "NOT
ABANDONED." "Please do not tow, will move by April 23.  (Need battery
and cable)." The handwriting is McVeigh's.
Also found in the car was a 

Re: [CTRL] June Learning About RC teaching on Birth Prevention

[Jim Condit Jr.]

Agree with almost all of your post, and hope I don't appear to 
be nitpicking, but the point is that the deepening psychological intimacy 
between two human beings is, according to RC teaching, only possible when the 
proper hierarchy of values is recognized with regard to marriage. As God, some 
say, is Love and therefore had to communicate His Love by 
spreading it through the creation of other beings, likewise, a man 
and a woman in love have been empowered to express their love by 
helping to create a new being -- the love child (to steal a phrase from Diana 
Ross). One sermon I heard years ago said that humans might not even be able to 
imagine this power (to co-create through sexual union) if God had not created us 
with this faculty.(Commercial break: this post goes far afield in the 
next few paragraphs, but hopefully comes back to the topic, kindof -- so let me 
list a portion of the last paragraph to try and urge the reader to perserve: 
If the Roman Catholic Church has really been a man-made concoction, then 
it is deservedly falling of its own weight as mankind matures . . . 
)Back to the action:Which brings me to an important point 
regarding Catholics and this matter. It's not only Catholics, but those 
occupying the structures of the Church, who are trashing the traditional 
teaching of the Church on marriage. There were 3 annulments granted in the 
United States in 1962, 3 years before Vatican Council 11 ended. (An annulments 
is where it is ruled that the marriage never took place at all, such as where a 
man already married in Kansas, goes to Brazil and marries a second 
woman while hiding from her his first marriage and wife. He did not have the 
capacity to contract the second marriage with one already in progress, even by 
civil standards.)Today, annulments number between 25,000 and 50,000 PER 
YEAR in the USA alone. Why? Because since Vatican Council II (1962-65), the 
annulment tribunals have been granting annulments for PSYCHOLOGICAL 
incompatibility -- something almost every married man and woman can appeal to at 
one time or another, or maybe in most marriages at very many times. So no one 
ever knows if they're married or not until one or both parties are dead -- maybe 
not even then! You all may remember that Cong. Joe Kennedy (son of Bobby) was 
justifiably flailed in public by his PROTESTANT wife for his absurd seeking of 
an annulment (ultimately granted by the Vatican!) after they had had several 
kids -- just because he had found a new interest.Which leads 
me to some important research tips (at least in my judgement): the book The 
Broken Cross, Peter Lovest Thou Me?, The Rhine Flows into the Tiber, the 
writings of Abbe De Nantes (search on the internet for Catholic 
Counter-Reformation) --- these and other responsible authors talk about the more 
than massive problems in the Roman Catholic Church since Vatican Council II. 
Some of us believe that the John Paul II is not a true Pope, but an anti-Pope 
(there have been about 40 anti-popes, and about 260 true popes in the last 2000 
years according to the Catholic Church, and that those sitting in the positions 
of authority in the Vatican and in the bishoprics throughout the world are 
counterfeit churchman by this time. All of this was accomplished by 
a coup de tat in the 1958 conclave against Cardinal Joseph Siri, the first man 
elected on Oct 26, 1958 following the death of Pius XII about a month earlier. 
(See Malachi Martin's book, Keys of This Blood, around pages 600 to 610 for a 
cleverly oblique account of what happened at this conclave, at which, Malachi 
has admitted elsewhere, he was present and therefore an eye-witness. Therefore, 
(parenthetically) despite my respect for Lloyd Miller and my eagerness to read 
anything he puts out, I don't believe there is any essential tension between the 
British Crown and the Vatican today, both being shills from the international 
banking establishment, although maybe there is some internecine fighting. The 
faction I side with believes that the Catholic Church is now in the position of 
the Jewish Synagogue right before the first coming of Christ, The Scribes 
and Pharisees sit on the Chair of Moses; although this is not to assume 
that the Second Coming of Christ is imminent, but, in harmony with the Book 
Catholic Prophecy by Yves Dupont, a Great Chastisement may be imminent after 
which the Church and society will be restored to its proper Christian 
Foundations, and an era of unprecedented prosperity will occur for at least a 
few generations, in harmony with the prophecies at Fatima, Portugal in 1917 (See 
Fr. Gruner and Fatima Crusader on the internet for books on this 
subject.)I might also add here that my writings against the 
Jews on this list have to do usually with the unavoidable tension between 
Jews who reject Christ (usually, in my experience clearly understanding their 
position) and Christians who retain much of the traditional Christian doctrine 

Re: [CTRL] Source: Fate Of Clinton Being Decided At Hilton Head

[Gerry Forbes]

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Linda Minor wrote:


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Now,  in  her  latest  communique,  Mills'  source  has  revealed
something  so  inherently  obvious  that the wonder is it was not
discerned until now.  He is quoted as saying, "The Euro goes into
effect today.  Once this  happens,  kiss  good-bye to the Federal
Reserve."  With the advent of  the  "Euro,"  a  unified  European
currency,   the  U.S.  dollar/Federal  Reserve  Notes  face  real
competition as the world's reserve currency of choice.

++
Repost from last year:

from:
alt.
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Subject: Occult roots of the EU - EU as Hitler's legacy
From: peter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, Jan 6, 1998 1:25 PM
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]



No doubt Europhiles will dismiss this interesting connection. Hitler's
Plan for Europe was to establish a Europe of Regions.  The plan for the
European Community or the  "Europaischewirtschaftgemeinschaft" was
published in 1942.  This has been dismissed by Europhiles, and since any
mention of the EU being a parallel to Hitler's plan produces the
accusations of xenophobia, Germanophobia, etc. let's introduce another

[snip]

Bruce Rich in his book on the World Bank, Mortgaging The Earth,
relates that the original plan for the World Bank was an idea
of Hjalmar Schacht, the Nazi finance minister. It was broadcast
as Nazi propaganda so the British went to John Maynard Keynes to
come up with a better idea; he frankly admitted that he couldn't,
so they doctored Schacht's plan a bit and spun it off as their
own concept.

The original Nazi (and Allied) plan for the "World Bank" (if I'm
not mistaken there is no organisation called the World Bank -- it
still officially goes by its original title: The International
Bank of Reconstruction and Development [IBRD] ) bears no resemblance
to the monster we see today. It was originally designed to rebuild
Europe after the devastation of WWII. When this was pre-empted by
the Marshall Plan its original president, John J. McCloy, a regular
Mr. Fixit for the powers-that-be, would go on to become High
Commissioner for Germany just in time to commute a few death sen-
tences and exonnerate Krupp, Farben et. al. (Later, of course, he
would sit on the Warren Commission and pave the way into China for
Nixon/Kissinger/Bush/Clinton). The bank was converted to its
current purpose of making sure that a steady flow of resources
*and* capital moved from the Third World to the First.

It has been some time since I read the book but the date 1942
(as given for the Europaischewirtschaftgemeinschaft) sounds
about right for the "World Bank" plan as well.

Gerry

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[CTRL] Charles Key on G.Jury Report

[Gavin Phillips]

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The Grand Jury completely went along with the government line of bullshit vis
a vis the OKC bombing.

There was no John Doe 2, (at least a dozen witnesses)

No evidence of government prior knowledge (. Bomb disposal truck seen downtown
by several witnesses not more than an hour before the blast. An admitted BATF
Sting Op being run in the early hours of the morning of the bombing;
apparently called off around 6am. Bruce Shaw ran up to the Murrah building
immediately after the blast and asked an ATF agent if he knew the wherabouts
of his wife. The agent started getting nervous and said "...They'd been tipped
by their pagers not to come to work that day. Plain as day out of his mouth.
Those were the words he said." Bruce's boss, Tony Brasier was with him and
verified the accuracy of Shaw's statement to KFOR television station.Their own
informant Carol Howe telling them beforehand that the "Federal building" in
OKC was a possible target. It's very likely that Strassmeier was a government
informant as well.)

No evidence of additional explosions inside the building. ( Ludicrous. There
are several bomb experts and highly qualified engineers besides General
(retired) Partin who have stated that  the single ANFO bomb story is the
height of absurdity. ANFO is a very low powered explosive and is packed into
the ground for earth moving or blowing out tree stumps, it's absolutely
useless against steel reinforced concrete such as the Murrah building,
especially considering how far it was parked away from the structure-15 to 20
feet. Air-coupled blasts are useless against concrete and steel. One other
point, the government found NO, repeat NO evidence of an ANFO blast. There are
also major technical difficulties associated with simultaneously detonating,
what the government alleged was 20-25 plastic containers of ANFO. Experts say
it takes years of experience to successfully set off that large an ANFO
explosion.)

The truth will come out in this case, little by little. Gavin.

www.okcbombing.org/html/response1.htm

OKBIC Summary of the Final Report of the Oklahoma
County Grand Jury
One Indictment Issued

There was one unnamed indictment issued. It has since been
reported that David Hoffman is the subject of the grand jury's
only indictment. The compliant was filed because Hoffman
approached jurors in their homes, a violation of state law. It
should also be made clear that Hoffman inappropriately used
Charles Key's name on the cover of his book, and used a public
fundraising letter as a forward.
``It's as if the federal government and prosecutors wrote the
report themselves," said Charles Key as he exited the County
Courthouse. ``I was personally offended by the comments from
Judge Burkett, who was in charge of the grand jury proceedings.
In a lengthy statement made after the grand jury report was read
aloud, Burkett mentioned former state representative Charles
Key and the Oklahoma Bombing Investigation Committee by
name. We were severely criticized for our efforts on behalf this
investigation.
The grand jury stated the following in their report:
No John Doe #2
There was no John Doe #2, although they could not conclude
there was no other co-conspirators. The jurors were satisfied that
Todd Bunting was indeed mistakenly identified as John Doe #2.
They concluded that if all witnesses to John Doe #2 sightings
were correct he would have to be dark olive, white; with red,
dark blonde or black hair; that he would have to be skinny or
muscular; tall or short.
The grand jury did not make mention of the discrepancy over the
identity of Bob Kling, who rented the Ryder truck. Other
evidence of others found in the trial transcripts include: Lea
McGown, who heard men in McVeigh's room; Jeff Davis, who
delivered food to someone other than McVeigh and the many
witnesses who reported seeing McVeigh with someone else
before any news reports of his involvement.
No Evidence of Any Prior Knowledge
GJ Report: They concluded no one in the government had any
foreknowledge of an impending disaster. All claims were
explained away. They acknowledged that most suspicious calls
were innocent in nature, such a call from the Regency Towers to
Michael Fortier's house in Arizona. That call was the result of the
rerouting of personal numbers to the OK Command post by
Southwestern Bell. On that count, we accept that explanation.
Another example regarded a call to placed to Walter Reed Army
Hospital, which was found to be inconclusive. OKBIC
forwarded this information to the grand jury earlier this year.
Someone identifying themselves as a ``Pentagon or congressional
liaison to the Governor of OK office" called to ask the hospital
asking about  ``triage for blast overpressure victims." The jurors
could not identify the caller or the call's origin.
The jurors could not understand why some people would want to
twist the facts to invent something so evil as the government or
local law enforcement as having any prior knowledge.
Two agents 

Re: [CTRL] Jim Collier

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

Hello Jim. The Collier brothers' death came up on CTRL about a month ago. I
don't know if you're aware that Jim Collier also made a video alleging the
Apollo mission was a hoax. I cannot find the info on his brother, but they're
both dead. Coincidence?! Gavin.


Hi Gavin.

I am sorry to tell you, but it is true. Jim died on September 20, 1998 of
cancer. I
have a suspicion that it was organized. I have heard that there are ways
that
people can give you cancer!

Sincerely,
Web Master

 http://houddini.com/Moonhoax/html/jim_collier.html


 ARTICLE THAT APPEARED IN MEDIA BYPASS MAGAZINE AUGUST, 1997
 INVESTIGATOR CHALLENGING NASA
  By James M. Collier


 In 1994, Victoria House Press in New York received a manuscript titled ``A
 Funny Thing
 Happened On Our Way to the Moon." Its author, Ralph Rene, a brilliant lay
 physicist who had
 studied Bill Kaysing's thesis (see July issue) that NASA faked seven Apollo
 moon shots,
 wanted it published.
  Since I had written the investigative report "Votescam: The Stealing of
 America," (Victoria
 House Press) they asked me to investigate Rene and his manuscript to
determine
 the credibility
 of both.  "I read Kaysing's book 'We Never Went to the Moon'", Rene told me,
 "and although
 it was compelling, it lacked technical details, a grounding in physics that
 would convince
 scientists, beyond a doubt, that America never went to the moon."
  Rene was positive that NASA had pulled off the hoax of the century.  "NASA
 didn't have the
 technical problems solved by l969 when they launched the first moon shot," he
 insisted, "but I
 believe they couldn't admit it or they'd lose thirty billion dollars in
 taxpayer-money."
  I read Rene's manuscript and although I understood basic physics, I couldn't
 immediately
 assure the publisher that Rene's assertions were scientifically accurate.
 Least of all, I couldn't
 assure them that we didn't go to the moon.  I needed time.
  So what began as simple research turned into months at the New York Public
 Library, the
 Library of Congress in Washington and the United States Archives.
Surpisingly,
 precious little
 had been written about the Apollo missions except standard "puff" pieces in
 the New York
 Times and the Washington Post.
  Then my research turned to Grumman Aircraft in Beth Page, New York. Grumman
 built the
 Lunar Module (LM), that unwieldy looking craft that never flew on Earth but
 supposedly
 landed safely on the moon six times. I asked for blueprints detailing the
 scientific thought
 behind its design. Did it run by computer? If so, who built the computer?
What
 made Grumman
 engineers think it could fly?
  Grumman told me that all the paperwork was destroyed. I was stunned. The LM
 historical
 paperwork was destroyed!? Why!? They had no answers.  I turned to Boeing
 Aircraft in
 Seattle. They built the Lunar Rover, the little car that NASA claims
traversed
 the moon on
 Apollo missions15-16-17. NASA claims it was transported to the moon in a
five-
 foot high by
 six-foot wide, triangular corner section of the LM. (The LM's bottom section
 was basically a
 tic-tac-toe design with nine sections. Five sections were squares with the
 four corners being
 triangles).
  But my research indicated that the Rover was at least six feet too long to
 fit into that corner
 compartment, thus making it impossible to ever get to the moon.
  Next was the National Air and Space Museum in Washington and the Johnson
 Space Center
 in Houston where I video taped an actual LM. Here research indicated that the
 crew
 compartment and hatches were too small for the astronauts to actually enter
 and exit. After
 taking the video footage I challenged NASA to prove that two six-foot
 astronauts, in
 ballooned-out pressure suits (4-psi in a vacuum) could either get in or get
 out of a LM.
  Trying to understand how the moon acquired a ten-foot layer of top soil
 without wind, rain or
 water to erode the volcanic-crystaline surface, I spoke to a geologist at the
 Massachusetts
 Institute of Technology in Boston.
  Much of my time was spent just trying to mentally picture the physics of
 light and shadows,
 jet propulsion and solar radiation, because most of what NASA was claiming
 about the moon
 shots — and what was supposedly discovered on the moon — appeared to be
 diametrically
 opposed to present text book physics.

  Anyway, I was knee-deep in all this research, when Rene became impatient and
 decided to
 self-publish his book. He changed the title to "NASA Mooned America".  I,
 however, had been
 hooked.  But now there wasn't a book to research. I was left hanging,
 questions plaguing my
 mind. Questions that neither Kaysing nor Rene entertained.
  Their research had led me into a scientific wonderland, filled with
 possibilities. What was I
 going to do? I had been thrown out of a great movie and I'd never know how it
 ended.  I
 decided to continue the research. I proposed a book to the publisher titled
 "Was it Only 

[CTRL] Taiwan To Get Smart Cards

[Steve Wingate]

 -Caveat Lector-

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/tech/DailyNews/nextfiles981207.html

Special to ABCNEWS.com

  Taiwan To Get Smart Cards

  Under a new $300 million program recently
  announced by Taiwan’s deputy minister for economic
  affairs, every adult will be given two smart cards: one
  for identification and one for transactions. Deputy
  Minister Chang Chang-pang made the announcement
  to the Asia Pacific Smart Card Association in a
  keynote address.
   The system will feature both contact and
  contactless cards, and will be used for ID, medical
  and social security benefits. It could be the first card
  to combine all health insurance information, including
  prescription coverage, on one piece of plastic. One
  can expect public transportation uses as well, similar
  to the Octopus system now in use in Hong Kong.
   “This initiative on the part of the Taiwan
  government paves the way for the introduction of
  intelligent smart card solutions in the private and
  public sectors not just in Taiwan, but across Asia and
  the rest of the world,” APSCA GM Greg Pote noted
  last week in an IT Daily release.
   I think he may be right. The ASEAN market, less
  sensitive to privacy issues that plague the West, is
  perfect for large-scale smart card development. Once
  these apps prove themselves in Taiwan, expect to
  see them in the U.S. and Europe soon.


Steve Wingate
California Director
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FEMA: Blueprint For Tyranny (Part I)

By Roland C. Eyears



Last year, America was treated to the heavily hyped, blockbuster hit
movie 'Independence Day,' which was no more than a third-rate, feel-good
production in which an alien invasion was repelled by a president of
questionable ability as a trusting populace watched and hoped.

The disaster theme has been carried even further by several widely
promoted offerings such as 'Twister,' 'Volcano,' and the TV miniseries
'Earthquake,' based on experiences in California. In February of this
year, the television miniseries 'Asteroid' was shown on NBC, following a
months-long barrage of blurbs. In the first few minutes of this
four-hour drama, a primary hero was established. He was the one man who
had the power to marshal the resources needed to save the Earth. He was
the Director of FEMA, the Federal Emergency Management Agency.



How do you spell 'conditioning?'

In 1984, Davenport, Iowa, suffered a '100-year flood' with the downtown
area under several feet of water. The people had chosen not to build
protection against the Mississippi River, citing $20 million cost and
concerns that a flood wall would block a scenic view of the river.
Underlying their decision may have been a hope that if losses were
massive enough, a benevolent federal government would rescue them.

And so it came to pass, they begged part of a $10 billion bailout
package. FEMA got the credit.

Emergencies and disasters, major and minor, occur every day. So
shouldn't a caring federal parent protect and rebuild? On the surface,
that seemed to be the thinking of President Richard M. Nixon when his
admin-istration conceived the beginnings of FEMA. For a generation,$the
government and the people had been concerned with invasion, and then
nuclear attack. As those threats ebbed and the Cold War era passed, the
violent demonstrations attendant to the Vietnam War caused Nixon to
refocus emergency powers inward. Domestic unrest was the target; the
American people were thereafter to be seen as a greater threat.

Those who thought a president's power to be closely limited received a
shock when, in the early 1970s, Nixon froze all wages and prices in a
doomed attempt to break an inflationary spiral.

Ironically, the agency which preferred to remain low profile had its
'outing' with Florida's Hurricane Andrew in 1992. It did not show itself
to be very responsive, partly due to the waiting period for local and
state governments to appropriate their 25 percent share of funds. Three
days after the hurricane, Dade County 'still had not received adequate
aid.' Some critics called FEMA inept and useless and suggested that
disaster aid be handled by the military.



The 'Doomsday Establishment'

The 'Doomsday Establishment' dates back to the day in 1949 when the
Soviets detonated an atomic device. By the following year, the concept
of 'Continuity of Gov-ernment' (COG) had taken hold, based on the
logical premise that an enemy must know that a nuclear strike would
leave our government sufficiently intact to retaliate and to continue to
govern. To enable the highly classified 'COG' program, a number of
agencies such as$the federal Emergency Broadcast System were formed,
later to be consolidated into FEMA. The day came when great concern was
expvessed over the layers of FEMA operations personnel which had been
inserted between the president and, without exception, all other federal
agencies.

It was in that postwar era that construction began on the top-secret
luxury bunker beneath the Greenbriar Resort in West Virginia. Hollowed
out of the Blue Ridge Moun-tains was the giant underworld at Mount
Weather, built to house the president, his cabinet and the Supreme Court
justices. Long gone is the day when President Eisenhower's motorcade,
speeding towards this Strangelovian bunker,$was stalled by a pig
farmer's truck on a country road in Virginia. Mount Weather was barely
the beginning. In fact, it is currently undergoing massive expansion.
That and over 50 more subterranean installations are today under the
cloak of FEMA.

In his comprehensive book, 'Under-ground Bases and Tunnels,' published
in 1995 by the Adventures Unlimited Press, Dr. Richard Sauder detailed

[CTRL] Fw: MER 1998

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M I D - E A S T   R E A L I T I E S   and   1 9 9 8

THE REAL WORLD OF THE MIDDLE EAST is not the one you read about in
newspapers owned or controlled by the "Royal" families and cronies of
Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Emirates, and Hashemite Jordan; nor those
manipulated by repressive governments in the region, especially in the
largest country, Egypt; nor those owned by the numerous groups and
individuals associated with the Israeli/Jewish lobby; and certainly
not those supported in one way or another by the U.S. government.  It
is not the world you usually hear about on Network TV or on Saudi-
owned "Arab Network of America" where the Uncles Jim, Fouad and Clovis
constantly strut their stuff.  Nor is it the world of CNN where though
one gets wider coverage of events from on-site locales, one is always
forced to look through the prism of narrow American perspectives,
prejudices, and editors.  And this includes CNN's main international
correspondent, Christian Amanpour, who gets many of her tips from non
other than Madeleine Albright's side-kick, and her own husband, James
Rubin at the U.S. State Department.  Talk about conflicts of interest!

AND THE REAL WORLD OF WASHINGTON, D.C. that now so dominates the
affairs of the Middle East is certainly not the one you usually see on
PBS (a kind of unofficial State Department TV), or C-Span (with no
independent analysis and a growing panoply of front-organizations
competing for attention); or CNN (where Larry King and Wolf Blitzer
constantly interview their pals and cronies about the "Peace Process",
conveniently forgetting to inform all that Blitzer came to Washington
to edit the Jewish Lobby newsletter and has never left its protective
circles which constantly promote his fortunes, and King who for so
long has been intimately involved with leading Israeli and Zionist
organizations). Talk about conflicts of interest!

NOR CAN ONE TRUST THE major print news sources, however many column
inches they devote to Middle East subjects.  The Washington Post has
been cheerleading the destruction of Iraq for years now, with the
publisher's daughter, Laly Weymouth, constantly bashing Arab interests
while promoting Israeli ones, and with the editorial pages dominated
by more of Israel's devotees, Meg Greenfield and Steve Rosenfeld in
charge.   Nor is it a big secret that when it comes to the New York
Times and the Wall Street Journal, all too often their positions seem
to come straight from the briefing papers of the multi-tentacled
Israeli/Jewish lobby, and even when there are serious news stories
with historical depth and perspective there is the constant
interminable bias and political spin.

INDEED, what is easily available to read and watch these days from the
major media comes directly or indirectly from the very same "Power
Elite", the very same military-industrial complex, the very same big
lobbying operations -- whose ranks, incidentally, the Arab client-
regimes have been trying hard to join in recent years -- that bring us
the awful policies in the first place.

Militarism, jingoistic nationalism, still-escalating arms sales, ever
growing repression, rampant destruction, subjugation, distortion,
misrepresentation -- these are all widely pervasive forces these days
and in their totality immensely powerful.  Combine this with the
resources of the superpowerful United States, the regional power of
Israel which now dwarfs that of all the Arab states combined, the Arab
client-regimes and the client-organizations and client-personalities
they sponsor -- and one has a world of wall-to-wall political and
historical deception coupled with ever-growing public opinion
manipulation.

Today's world is one dominated by huge multinational corporate
interests of big oil and big business intersecting with power
lobbyists, arms salesman, and government-for-sale politicians.  An
occasional glimpse of reality seeps through, but overall everything is
severely distorted and powerfully twisted to serve those who dominate
through financial and political means, as well as technological and
military power.

The real world of the Middle East, and what really goes on in
Washington relating to the Middle East is rarely discussed honestly
and openly in this overall situation.  That world is one of still-

[CTRL] Fw: ONE DAY OF PEACE (fixed)

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Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 5:30 PM

Apologies for the previous garbled message.  We've been having power
outages all day, and one struck just as I hit "send".

ONE DAY OF PEACE
Sarah Thompson, M.D.

The following "thought-wave campaign" (a politically correct term for
SPAM,internet hoaxes, and self-delusion) has been appearing in my mailbox
periodically for quite some time now, most recently by way of a
well-meaning acquaintance:

"ONE DAY OF PEACE - JANUARY 1, 2000

This is a 24-hour concept where no guns are fired anywhere on
Earthincluding on television.

What if, for 24-hours, whoever happens to be at war on December 31st, 1999,
agrees that for one whole day no guns would be fired?  The silence would be
golden. And what if the television programmers of the world agreed to not
air any programmes with a violent content? (It would probably be easier to
get warring nations to stop firing than it would be to get the world's
television programmers to not air violent programmes.)

At present, this ONE DAY OF PEACE concept is beginning to get further
circulated.  On April 6, 1997, it was 1000 days until January 1, 2000. This
is a thought-wave campaign.  Which is to say, the more people who actually
grasp this thought, understand its potential, and can do something about
it, the more it could become reality...

ONE DAY OF PEACE, JANUARY 1, 2000...PASS IT ON...EXPECT A MIRACLE"


Such easily-propagated messages, to use the lingo of the gun-grabbers, act
as pathogens, and thus are a threat to public health and safety.  While
previous "thought-wave campaigns" (remember "Hands Across America"?) have
proven themselves to be at best ineffectual, and at worst a waste of time
and energy, campaigns such as this have the potential to cause serious harm
to those who accept them without thinking.  So I thought that, in honor of
the new year, a response is both appropriate and timely.

Peace, of course, is one of those things that almost everyone supports, at
least in theory.  But in order to achieve peace, one must know both what it
is, and what conditions are necessary to maintain it.

My trusty OED defines "peace" as "freedom from, or cessation of, war or
hostilities" and "freedom from civil commotion and disorder, public order
and security".  (Those are only the first two definitions, but they give us
a place to start.)  Unfortunately, the dictionary only _defines_ peace; it
doesn't tell us how to achieve it.

I don't know whether Saddam Hussein, or Slobodan Milosevic, or any of the
world's many tyrants and terrorists have internet access.  But I don't for
a minute believe that they'll all agree to lay down their guns for a day.
And even if they did, what would that accomplish?  Is it more likely that
they'll wake up on Jan. 2 and decide to cancel hostilities forever, or that
they'll simply resume where they left off?

Should Washington have refused to attack the British in Trenton on
Christmas Night of 1776 because it was a "Day of Peace"?  Would we now have
peace or freedom on this continent had he done so?

Should the Israelis have lain down their guns and surrendered when they
were attacked on Yom Kippur, the holiest day of the year for Jews?  Would
there now be peace in the Middle East?

And isn't it a bit telling that these advocates of global disarmament
mention only _guns_?  What about bombs, missiles, land mines, chemical and
biological weapons?  Are those still okay for our "day of peace"?

People who believe that simply "not firing guns for one whole day" will
somehow facilitate "the cessation of war or hostilities" or encourage
"public order and security" are engaging in what psychologists call
"magical thinking".  They probably believe that clapping their hands will
save Tinkerbell too.

What about those "evil" televisions programmers accused of encouraging
violence?  The truth is that television programmers are not rugged
individualists nor do they have many principles.  They simply broadcast
what they believe will sell their advertisers' products.  If they show
people firing guns, it's because that's what sells cars or cereal or beer.
Live coverage of wars sells exceptionally well - just ask the folks at CNN.


If the supporters of "One Day of Peace" find this objectionable, wouldn't
it make more sense for them to simply _stop watching_ 

[CTRL] Fw: THE HOFFMAN WIRE: Apocalypse 2000

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Subject: THE HOFFMAN WIRE: Apocalypse 2000
Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:03 AM

T-H-E  H-O-F-F-M-A-N  W-I-R-E
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No. 115  Dec. 31, 1998
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  Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
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  Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
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==

   Apocalypse 2000

As we approach the Year 2000 and millennial madness begins to manifest
in all its amusing pagan frenzy, I am not so much interested in the
claims made for what shall or shall not transpire after the great
chronological divide has been crossed, but rather in what people believe
about those claims.

There may be little of consequence in the claim of industrial and
technological collapse on Jan. 1, 2000 but if people believe a
catastrophe will occur, they will by their own volition and credulity,
make it come to pass.

The widespread belief in and resulting panic associated with the Y2K
doom scenario indicates an enormous fatigue. The denizens of the
technological imperium are weary of their gadgets and believe they
should be punished for using them, so they conceive of a world reduced
to the Neolithic.

I do not believe that a population of superior people would have any
significant difficulties with “Y2K” since the history of the West is the
history of surmounting technological difficulties.

I have seen some hint that a technological remedy to the Y2K computer
glitch has been at hand since last summer but is being withheld.

But aside from that, I am fascinating by the emergence of the cult of
limitation which accompanies the mob reaction to Y2K.

Suddenly man is paralyzed by two zeros.

Two zeros in a Unix system will collapse western civilization.

What a complete reversal of the spirit of ‘69, which saw German
scientists Arthur Rudolf and Werner Von Braun place men on the moon.

Yet this new sense of limitation is not all bad. It signifies a profound
anxiety over the direction of our technological imperium as it grows
increasingly alien and artificial, particularly in the pharmaceutical
usurpation of agriculture and the growth of gene-manipulated modern
“foods.”

But these appropriate concerns are being manipulated and diverted into
mob panic. Monsanto and the other corporations who are at present the
equivalent of the city-states of Medici Italy--that is to say, nations
unto themselves on the British East India model--will emerge stronger
after the Y2K millennial panic is in full swing, as will FEMA and the
other departments of the Federal leviathan.

The rulers of the age require chiefly one form of energy from the
masses: fear.

The chief agent of these rulers in our time is the American right wing,
the greatest repository of fear and fear-mongering rumors, which almost
always concern the alleged enormous power of our rulers and the dark
fate they have in store for us.

Being cowans and dupes, these rightists have no “knowledge of the
equilibrium,” no knowledge that fear is the glue that holds the Evil
Empire together.

More than an adhesive, fear is a magnet, attracting precisely that which
is most feared and bringing it into materialization as reality.

It is for this reason that the Hebrew Bible states, “Fear God and you
need fear no other.”

But the American right wing is a cesspool of fear--fear of the U.N., the
FBI, Bill Clinton, the “Jews,”  and the media. They have woven these
disparate forces into an invincible web of power over themselves and
constantly imagine impending doom and gloom.

Without even knowing it, the Right is practicing pagan sorcery by just
such means. I have just described the mechanics of primitive witchcraft,
or perhaps we should call this self-fulfilling prophecy, “wishcraft.”

It has been used by harlequin hucksters at market stands of the Middle
Ages and in our day by Gallup  pollsters, Madison Avenue advertisers and
a legion of agents planted deep in the right wing as well as in the
pulpits of 

[CTRL] Confirmed: Hoffman Target Of OKC Sealed Indictment

[Brian Redman]

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CONFIRMED: HOFFMAN TARGET OF OKC SEALED INDICTMENT
==

(CNNS, 01/02/99) --  In  a  report  issued  by  this news service
(Conspiracy Nation News Service) on Dec. 31, 1998, we reported on
Sherman H. Skolnick's fears that author David M. Hoffman was  the
target  of  a  sealed  indictment  issued  by  the  grand jury in
Oklahoma tasked with investigating  the  Oklahoma City bombing or
bombings of April 19, 1995.  ("Author Feared To Be Target Of  OKC
Sealed Indictment," CNNS, 12/31/98)

It  is  now  confirmed that Hoffman, author of "The Oklahoma City
Bombing and the Politics  of  Terror" and a journalist associated
with the Haight-Asbury Free Press, appears to be the person named
in the sealed indictment.

An Associated Press wire story dated Jan. 1,  1999  reports  that
Hoffman  says  he  is  the person named in the sealed indictment.
("Man Indicted by Bombing Jury Speaks," AP, 01/01/99)

Hoffman, a reporter, has,  he  says, been charged with "stalking"
grand jury members.

And, according to the AP story, Hoffman refuses to  surrender  to
authorities  unless  he  can work out "reasonable terms" with the
district attorney.

Hoffman has probed, tirelessly and for dozens of months, evidence
that the Oklahoma  City  bombing(s)  involved  a wider conspiracy
than Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols, and  evidence  that  more
than  one  bomb  destroyed  the Murrah Building in April of 1995.
Says Hoffman:  "The [grand] jurors  are not good people.  If they
were good people, they  would  have  returned  more  indictments.
This   is  the  biggest  government  coverup  since  the  Kennedy
assassination." (AP, 01/01/99)

According to  Hoffman,  his  "stalking"  charge  stems  from  his
allegedly  having  sent  copies  of  his book, "The Oklahoma City
Bombing and The Politics of Terror" (Feral House, 1998), to grand
jurors  during  their  investigation.   Hoffman  refuses  to  say
whether the allegations are true.

As CNNS goes to press,  Sherman  H. Skolnick could not be reached
for comment.

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[CTRL] China White, USA

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 Subj: [A-M] China White

 AUDREY'S MISSILES
 A newsletter dedicated to the peaceful
 reform of the United States government.

 CHINA WHITE

 China White.  Do we mean beautiful white porcelain dishes from
 China?  No, the above title refers to the street name for a high
 grade of heroin produced in China.  The Chinese grow the opium
 poppy in Yunnan Province, and they also buy the raw opium from the
 drug caravans coming out of southeast Asia.  Refineries are mainly
 located in Shanghai, a very convenient place since from there the
 refined product can be shipped wherever China's merchant fleet
 sails and air lifted to "friendly" airports all over the world.

 The use of China White and other forms of illegal drugs is now
 rampant in the United States.  Previous administrations have made
 some efforts to stop the drugs from entering this country, and up
 until the Clinton Administration the problems of drug addiction
 had not reached epidemic stage.  But Clinton opened the Mexican
 border with NAFTA, and he has been less than helpful in supporting
 other measures to restrict and control importation.  Congress needs
 a 2/3 vote to override his veto, so it seems fair to conclude that
 the president and at least one third of our Congress is either
 corrupt or intimidated so that they failed to help to pass laws
 that would curb the drug trade, failed to enact laws to protect
 the general public.

 Public personalities do not even talk about the drug problem and
 newspapers are silent on the subject.  News about the deaths and
 havoc caused by the flood of drugs has been carefully kept out of
 the news even though the House of Representatives at one time sent
 troops to the border and has appropriated millions to keep the
 traffic from causing anarchy in both Florida and Texas.  Clinton
 confines his remarks about the drug problem to recommending
 advertising!  This is a partial list of what The President and
 Congress could have and should have done:

 (1) Enact a law making the death penalty mandatory for anyone
 importing given quantities of illegal drugs into this country.
 If a corporation is caught doing it, the penalty would extend on
 up the ladder, perhaps even to the CEO.  In the case of the COSCO
 (China Ocean Shipping Company) smuggling of heroin it should have
 resulted in penalties levied against Chinese shipping
 interests.  (COSCO was caught smuggling Heroin, and they did not
 even get a slap on the wrist).

 (2) Re-negotiate NAFTA in order to make smuggling through the
 Mexican border more difficult.

 (3) Legalize the use of some of these drugs, taking the profit
 away from the criminals.

 (4) Place tight controls on the ingredients used in the manufacture
 and refining of the drugs causing the greatest problems.  Let the
 producers of these ingredients know that they cannot get away with
 sales to illegal operations.

 (5) Make drug testing of congressmen in both the House and the
 Senate mandatory with the results to be made public.

 (6) Make drug testing of the president and presidential candidates
 mandatory with the results also to be made public.

 (7) Make leases to foreign shippers of facilities in containerized
 ports subject to government regulation designed to prevent
 smuggling, and increase funds for inspections at our ports.

 China has actively been trying to subvert our government, a fact
 which is probably well-known and accepted by most Americans.  But
 what the public does not know is the extent of that subversion and
 the cooperation they have had from the big business operations and
 from our own government.  We mentioned corruption in Congress, but
 that corruption is also widespread in the American infrastructure.
 The Rockefellers and the banks have been implicated.

 The Justice Department has finally indicted Citibank, charged by
 Swiss investigators with the laundering of the drug fortune of
 Carlos Salinas, but perhaps the most shocking information to come
 to light recently is that Chicago Mercantile is now reported to be
 accepting shipments of China White coming into the Chicago airport.
 Those shipments are payment on loans that they made to China!
 The Spotlight (12/ 21, 98, p.12) in an extensive report says that
 Chicago Mercantile, one of the biggest financial institutions in
 the United States, is accepting payment in heroin that is being
 resold to our own people!

 We know that parts of Chicago are controlled by criminal gangs
 so it is not difficult to believe that they are bold enough to be
 bringing in large quantities of heroin by air.  These criminals do
 not seem concerned about police interference; they have it better
 than the it was in the twenties.  Things are running wide open.
 It's the Prohibition era all over again only without J. Edgar
 Hoover!  How far has the criminal cancer spread?  China White and
 ties to organized crime, could these be the 

[CTRL] Fw: Bloomfield and FBI Division Five

[Linda Minor]

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Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 10:43 AM
Subject: Bloomfield and FBI Division Five



Not sure exactly where the following originated from but it was
in a file I had marked "Mafia names to check". I believe it was
part of a file on Roy Cohen posted to this newsgroup back around
 3/19/98 20:30, when I last edited the mafia names file.

This post is in no way in support of Dave Sharp's posting but
it does validate a interest in Louis Mortimer Bloomfield. It
also pertains to Permidex which has been a topic of late.

jko

Note #1
The Lionel Corporation management was in direct contact with
Lawyer Louis Mortimer Bloomfield who, among other things, was also
the president of Heineken's Brewers, Ltd., Canada.


Note #2
All  of  the  investigators looking into Louis Mortimer
Bloomfield's activities in connection with Permindex, the Swiss
corporation, reported him as a banker in Montreal, Canada. He is
not a banker as such, but a bet lay-off man is always referred to
as  a  banker  and  this is where the confusion  came.  In  fact,
Bloomfield, as has been shown before, was the contract agent in
charge of Division Five, the espionage agency of J. Edgar Hoover,
and was a Montreal lawyer with offices in Paris, France, and
Tangiers, Morocco.


I have no idea if the Note #2 is correct or valid but would be
interested knowing more to add to my files.

jko

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Re: [CTRL] y2k..another view

[flw]

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A good question to ask is who would benefit financially from widespread y2k
panic.
Agent Smiley

Perhaps a better question to ask is who benefits by continuing to deny the
probable liklihood of substantial infrastructure and financial failure due
to Y2K malfunction?
flw

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[CTRL] Tax Revolt in Vermont

[Gavin Phillips]

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 19:05:04 EST
 Subject: Vermont Tax Revolt I

 Vermont Tax Revolt I

 So what would happen if your local community decided not to pay
 taxes to the state?

 It's not a bunch of conspiracy theorists or camouflaged kooks.
 In Vermont, six cities have decided to withhold local tax
 payments to the state. Their objection is due to a state court
 takeover of public school funding. In Vermont, the state courts
 have ruled the school funding system unconstitutional and
 ordered higher taxes to equalize spending across the state.

 But local residents have had enough. And in Vermont, historic
 home of Ethan Allen and the Green Mountain Boys, when the local
 citizens have had enough, they really mean they have had enough.

 So six local communities have decided they will not send their
 tax money to the state general fund to be redistributed in a
 Robin Hood school funding plan.

 What will the court do? What will the state do?

 One town clerk predicts, "the state is just going to have to
 build a bigger jail."

 Civil disobedience is truly no laughing matter. But what is
 truly frightening here is another case of judges acting out of
 control and in total disregard for the constitutional role of
 the courts. Our system of checks and balances is designed to
 create government by consensus. Here in America, we pass laws by
 a legislative process designed to always defer to the consent of
 the governed through their votes.

 When courts take over schools and tax policy they trash all that
 history and set up exactly the kind of conflict that is now
 brewing in Vermont, and may be brewing in Ohio. . .

 RESTORE THE CONSTITUTION
 DON'T VOTE FOR LAWYERS
 Please study this web site:
 http://www.constitutionalguardian.com
  

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: THE HOFFMAN WIRE: Apocalypse 2000

[Gavin Phillips]

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Hoffman's written some very good articles in the past, "The Mad Mullah's"
being my personal favourite, but on other occasions, such as the one below, he
seems to be too self-involved and pre-occupied with waxing poetic than taking
a serious look at a subject which seems to merit taking precautionry measures.
Wheather it's a contrived disaster or not, it helps little to write "artsy"
articles about how easily "spooked" the "sheople" are without offering any
insight or evidence that he's accumulated which shows it's all B.S. I hope it
is all hype and overkill, but then again nobody knows for sure, and to be
without power for even three days (which I was a couple of years ago) is
*extremely* inconvenient and frustrating. Will the wise and flippant Hoffman
be purchasing a home generator in the next few months? Gavin.


 From: Campaign for Radical Truth in History [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: THE HOFFMAN WIRE: Apocalypse 2000
 Date: Thursday, December 31, 1998 2:03 AM

 T-H-E  H-O-F-F-M-A-N  W-I-R-E
 --
 No. 115  Dec. 31, 1998
 --

   Michael A. Hoffman II, Editor
Published by the The Campaign for Radical Truth in History
   Coeur d'Alene, Idaho
http://www.hoffman-info.com

 ==

Apocalypse 2000

 As we approach the Year 2000 and millennial madness begins to manifest
 in all its amusing pagan frenzy, I am not so much interested in the
 claims made for what shall or shall not transpire after the great
 chronological divide has been crossed, but rather in what people believe
 about those claims.

 There may be little of consequence in the claim of industrial and
 technological collapse on Jan. 1, 2000 but if people believe a
 catastrophe will occur, they will by their own volition and credulity,
 make it come to pass.

 The widespread belief in and resulting panic associated with the Y2K
 doom scenario indicates an enormous fatigue. The denizens of the
 technological imperium are weary of their gadgets and believe they
 should be punished for using them, so they conceive of a world reduced
 to the Neolithic.

 I do not believe that a population of superior people would have any
 significant difficulties with “Y2K” since the history of the West is the
 history of surmounting technological difficulties.

 I have seen some hint that a technological remedy to the Y2K computer
 glitch has been at hand since last summer but is being withheld.

 But aside from that, I am fascinating by the emergence of the cult of
 limitation which accompanies the mob reaction to Y2K.

 Suddenly man is paralyzed by two zeros.

 Two zeros in a Unix system will collapse western civilization.

 What a complete reversal of the spirit of ‘69, which saw German
 scientists Arthur Rudolf and Werner Von Braun place men on the moon.

 Yet this new sense of limitation is not all bad. It signifies a profound
 anxiety over the direction of our technological imperium as it grows
 increasingly alien and artificial, particularly in the pharmaceutical
 usurpation of agriculture and the growth of gene-manipulated modern
 “foods.”

 But these appropriate concerns are being manipulated and diverted into
 mob panic. Monsanto and the other corporations who are at present the
 equivalent of the city-states of Medici Italy--that is to say, nations
 unto themselves on the British East India model--will emerge stronger
 after the Y2K millennial panic is in full swing, as will FEMA and the
 other departments of the Federal leviathan.

 The rulers of the age require chiefly one form of energy from the
 masses: fear.

 The chief agent of these rulers in our time is the American right wing,
 the greatest repository of fear and fear-mongering rumors, which almost
 always concern the alleged enormous power of our rulers and the dark
 fate they have in store for us.

 Being cowans and dupes, these rightists have no “knowledge of the
 equilibrium,” no knowledge that fear is the glue that holds the Evil
 Empire together.

 More than an adhesive, fear is a magnet, attracting precisely that which
 is most feared and bringing it into materialization as reality.

 It is for this reason that the Hebrew Bible states, “Fear God and you
 need fear no other.”

 But the American right wing is a cesspool of fear--fear of the U.N., the
 FBI, Bill Clinton, the “Jews,”  and the media. They have woven these
 disparate forces into an invincible web of power over themselves and
 constantly imagine impending doom and gloom.

 Without even knowing it, the Right is practicing pagan sorcery by just
 such means. I have just described the mechanics of primitive witchcraft,
 or perhaps we should call this 

[CTRL] U.S. or U.N.?

[Gavin Phillips]

 -Caveat Lector-

 http://www.orlandosentinel.com/opinion/122498_REESE24.html

 Which side are you on:
 America's or the
 internationalists'?

 Published in The Orlando Sentinel, Dec 24 1998

 By Charley Reese
 Commentary

 The oath United Nations officers must take
 and the one American soldiers take proves
 that Michael New, the only American ever
 tried and convicted by court-martial for
 wanting to serve his country in uniform,
 was dead right.

 New -- a young, enlisted man -- refused to
 don U.N. insignia and serve in Macedonia
 under the command of a Finnish officer.
 He believes that his oath forbids it, and for
 that he was court-martialed. His appeal is
 still winding its way through the courts.

 But let's look at the oaths. An American
 soldier swears as follows: "I do solemnly
 swear that I will support and defend the
 Constitution of the United States against all
 enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will
 bear true faith and allegiance to the same;
 and that I will obey the orders of the
 president of the United States and the
 orders of the officers appointed over me,
 according to regulations and the Uniform
 Code of Military Justice."

 Now, here is the oath that officers serving
 the United Nations must take: "I solemnly
 affirm to exercise in all loyalty, discretion
 and conscience the functions entrusted to
 me as a member of the international
 service of the United Nations, to discharge
 those functions and regulate my conduct
 with the interest of the United Nations
 only in view and not to seek or accept
 instructions in respect to the
 performance of my duties from any
 government or other authority external to
 the organization." The emphasis is mine.

 As you can plainly see, a person cannot be
 loyal to both the United States and to the
 United Nations. The United Nations is a
 separate, foreign government. And that
 was Michael New's point: He never took
 an oath to the United Nations, and no one
 had the authority to place him under
 foreign command.

 It bears remembering that, when American
 troops arrived in France during World
 War I, British and French officials
 proposed that they be integrated into the
 Allied forces and serve under British and
 French command. Gen. Blackjack Pershing
 flatly refused. No American soldier, he
 said, would serve under a foreign
 commander.

 This is an issue that all Americans should
 join, for it is much larger than Michael
 New. The question is, do we want
 America to retain its sovereignty and
 independence for which our ancestors
 fought a war with Great Britain, or do we
 wish it to become a non-independent part
 of an international, sovereign government?

 Yes or no.

 And you had better decide, because the
 American Establishment is opting
 gradually to dissolve American
 independence and to merge it into an
 international order. To prepare Americans
 for that loss of independence, the present
 administration is ordering American
 troops to serve under U.N. command,
 doing U.N. errands. American troops are
 posted in more than 100 foreign countries,
 in nearly every case as U.N. errand boys
 or U.N. leg-breakers.

 In a speech urging rejection of the League
 of Nations, Sen. Henry Cabot Lodge said,
 "It must be made perfectly clear that no
 American soldiers, not even a corporal's
 guard, that no American sailors, not even
 the crew of a submarine, can ever be
 engaged in war or ordered anywhere
 except by the constitutional authorities of
 the United States. To Congress is granted
 by the Constitution the right to declare
 war, and nothing that would take troops out
 of the country at the bidding or demand of
 other nations should ever be permitted . . .
 ."

 As you can see, the fight for American
 sovereignty is a continuing fight. Which
 side are you on: America's or the
 

Re: [CTRL] [prj] Listen Up! Clinton Supporting Scum!

[Gerald Harp]

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In a message dated 1/1/99 9:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A-
ALBIONIC.COM writes:


  The Clinton elections was a Rockefeller coup d'tat.  Ross Perot got his
  start with contracts from Nelson Rockefeller.  Rockefeller used Perot and
  his press power to throw the election to Clinton a CIA-Rockefeller tool.
  Now we have a Rockefeller National Security dictatorship under
  Clinton...thank God the Anglophile
  conspiracy isn't going to let the Rockefeller cabal winthey want to
  maintain an Oligarchical Establishment, with some semblance of the rule of
  law not a stinking dictatorship.

Oh.  OK.

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Re: [CTRL] [prj] Listen Up! Clinton Supporting Scum!

[Kenn Thomas]

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The Henry Wallace campaign against Truman served the same function as the Perot
campaign. The New Republic editor who aided the Wallace campaign, Michael
Straight, does have traceable connections to Rockefeller. The author who details
this history is Carroll Quigley, Bill Clinton's mentor. See
http://www.umsl.edu/~skthoma/gaynst.htm for a bit more on this, and Steamshovel
Press #8.

kt

Lloyd Miller wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 The Clinton elections was a Rockefeller coup d'tat.  Ross Perot got his
 start with contracts from Nelson Rockefeller.  Rockefeller used Perot and
 his press power to throw the election to Clinton a CIA-Rockefeller tool.
 Now we have a Rockefeller National Security dictatorship under
 Clinton...thank God the Anglophile
 conspiracy isn't going to let the Rockefeller cabal winthey want to
 maintain an Oligarchical Establishment, with some semblance of the rule of
 law not a stinking dictatorship.
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Friday, January 01, 1999 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [prj] Listen Up! Clinton Supporting Scum!

 Exercise Your Health Freedom in the Teeth of FDA Tyranny Through the Life
 Extension Foundation Click:
 http://www.lef.org/cgi-local/welcome.cgi?id=214  END
 BFMr. Miller.  I present to you a challenge.  In your opinion, IS this a
 coup d'tat?  If so, and if it is London and/or Rockefeller supported,
 then should it be supported even if it truly is on Constitutional
 grounds.
 I am not a Clinton-supporting scum.  I am a finer sort of scum
 than that. -:
 I present this to you as an open-ended challenge, and probably
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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt Blackmailing Clinton?

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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Is Proctor  Gamble or the Psych-ick Friends going to buy airtime for this
?  This is getting better than any detergent opera I can remember having
ever been remotely interested in ...



AER

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new landscapes but in having new eyes. -Marcel Proust
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: Subject: Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt Blackmailing Clinton?
: Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 10:34 AM
:
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:
: In a message dated 1/1/99 2:47:12 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A-
: ALBIONIC.COM writes:
:
:  AND WHICH SENATOR WILL HAVE THE COURAGE TO TELL THE WORLD AT THE TRIAL
THAT
:  THE
:  SENATE/JURY IS BEING EFFECTIVELY BLACKMAILED/TAMPERED WITH? 
:
:
: Yeah, sure, but in the meantime, isn't it wonderful to watch all those
: sanctimonious creeps twist and turn.  I really liked it when Jerry
Falwell
: commented that surely in all those men, they should be able to find one
who
: had been faithful to his wife.  It took them a while, but they finally
got
: one.  I've been enjoying all this so much.   I neve thought Larry Flint
would
: afford me so much amusement, since I'm really not interested in porn.
Prudy
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[CTRL] Y2K Info

[Gavin Phillips]

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 www.cbn.org/news/stories/980710.asp


Surviving the Crisis:
How to Prepare For
Y2K
July 10, 1998
It's what everybody wants to know:
how long will the Y2K crisis last? In the
event of likely power outages and food
shortages when the crisis hits, how will
people get through it? And what can
they do to prepare?
Kim Ferrall, reporter
The question is not if. It's when.
When should you start getting your family ready for the Year 2000?
The answer is now.
CBN News is taking you shopping with Paloma O-Riley. She's the
co-founder of the Cassandra Project and an expert in preparedness for
Year 2000 computer-related disruptions.
Q: How can people begin to get ready?
"The two primary sources of heat that we recommend are both the
kerosene heaters," says O'Riley. "There are also propane heaters, and
there are wood stoves. Wood stoves are probably the favorite option
of a lot of people."
Q: Should I just wait until it gets cooler in the fall to buy
heaters?
"Absolutely not," says O'Riley. "You need to start looking into
preparedness materials now -- while they are still available -- and they
are readily available. And also, the sooner we start asking for things,
the quicker the production system can ramp up and supply them."
O'Riley says there's no need to panic, but we've only got about six
months left to get ready. That's because you're going to start seeing
some Year 2000 problems come January 1999. Some retailers we
talked to are already gearing up.
"The people that have been calling for the Year 2000 have been talking
about bulk quantities -- stuff for at least a few weeks," says Cheri
Moser, the manager of Blue Ridge Mountain Sports. "We've been
looking to stockpile larger quantities, enough for a month, maybe two."
But not every store is up and ready ... yet. Kent Artist is an assistant
manager for Lowe's home improvement warehouse in Virginia Beach.
He says theirs is a response-based industry.
"In retail, you deal with today," he says. "You deal with tomorrow. And
the third day's gonna come, eventually. But planning from a retail
standpoint, what product they buy, what product we have available -- I
don't think it's thought of that far in advance."
Getting people to change the way they think is the key. O'Riley says the
best thing to do is the think of the worst-case scenario. It's not going to
be business as usual; she says people should expect interruptions in
water, power, and food.
"We're talking a national emergency here," she says. "An international
emergency. There is no organization that can handle that. So we have
to stop expecting somebody to come and fix it for us, or to do it for us.
It's not going to happen."
Q: What's the first thing people should think about in an
emergency?
"Water," says O'Riley. "Let's take four members in a family. They want
to store water for 90 days -- we're talking about 360 gallons of
drinkable water. This is not necessarily the same water you would be
using to wash dishes or to wash clothes. So you would need to be able
to store that much water safely."
In addition to water filters, O'Riley recommends buying 55-gallon
drums made of food-quality plastic to store your water. They're
available at hardware stores or through mail-order catalogs. But
remember ...
"If you're going to get a thing of water that large, you have to remember
to have a siphon," says O'Riley. "It's not going to be possible with one
of these to pick it up and pour the water out."
Q: What about generators? As far as cost is concerned, we're
looking at almost $1400.
"People need to ask themselves -- what do they need the electricity
for?" says O'Riley. "If the only thing they really need it for is just to run
their lights and their TV sets, they really shouldn't be thinking about
getting a generator."
Save your generators for emergency uses like running medical devices.
O'Riley says the better bet is to look for alternative heating sources.
"Natural gas is probably a little more reliable, given a worst-case
scenario, than an electric stove," says O'Riley. "However, because
natural gas delivery systems may also be affected, people might want to
make sure they can use a natural gas stove and adapt it for use with
propane."
Then there's always solar heat, which covers everything from solar
lights to showers.
Q: What about food?
Canned foods are a good start. Depending on the size of your family,
look for #10 cans, if possible. Most importantly, be sure to check the
expiration dates. You can also buy freeze-dried foods at camping
goods stores, or order direct from catalogs.
"They are all freeze-dried," says O'Riley. "They do have dehydrated
foods on the market -- different brands."
"It's actually cheaper to buy a dehydrator and do your own food," says
Moser. "That's definitely an option for people looking for large
quantities."
As for your financial affairs, O'Riley suggests paying off as many of
your bills as you can. Rent or mortgage payments should be paid three
months in advance to get 

Re: [CTRL] Euro (Re: [CTRL] Source: Fate Of Clinton Being Decided At ...

[Gerald Harp]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/1/99 9:35:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


  Could you please quantify this?  A quick check of census figures and the
  C1A World Factbook he difference in average income between Germany and
  Greece is greater than the difference between Connecticut and Mississippi
  (the difference between west  east Germany is even greater).

  Or were you referring to the difference in income levels between the
  richest and poorest within a country?  In Europe these are held lower by
  high rates of taxation and social welfare, i.e. income redistribution.


Yes, one must be careful in these comparisons.  It's sort of like the
epidemiological studies that can make cancer rate differentials invisible by
carefully selecting the population group.  As you suggest, when considering
income or wealth gaps, one must look at ratios of the richest to the poorest.
When considering absolute income, it is important to look at medians rather
than averages.

  Europe will never be as cohesive as the US due to differences in language.
  But I don't see this as being much of a factor in the Euro being a popular
  trading currency.  Trading ties and currency stability will factor much
  higher.  Look for the Euro to be popular in Europe, Africa, possibly
  Western Asia, and the Dollar to maintain its strength in Eastern Asia and
  the Americas.

  Che


You are probably correct for over the next few years.  The reason i believe
that those nations which have the most widely shared income, wealth,
knowledge, and power are going to become gradually dominant is that such a
nation is naturally able to marshall superior strength in any endeavor over
other countries of similar population size.  Of course, this applies to the
290 million Euro Europeans compared to the US.  Unless our corporate masters
and their servants, the Republicans and the news media wake up fast, and there
is no sign of this about to happen, the Euro folks are going to pass us
economically.  The international politics follows the money.

Nothing has been more revealing than the way Bush and his boys passed the
begging bowl so we could make war in The Gulf.  The Japanese really rubbed it
in when they objected to having to pay at all saying they could live with
Saddam just fine.  To a great extent out international leadership rests upon
the memories of WWII and fears among various nations of Japan and Germany
including fears from many in Japan and Germany.  This condition is has
weakened some and, naturally, will contine to do so with the passage of time.
We didn't have to help it along with our cowboy adventures in Vietnam, Panama
etc. but that is another story.

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Re: [CTRL] Bill Clinton: Deadbeat Dad?

[Gerald Harp]

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In a message dated 1/1/99 9:44:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Other persons with offices there, according to the
  1956 Dallas City Directory, included George DeMohrenschildt, Suite 1639-40;

Linda, is this the guy who turned out to be a sort of facilitator for Lee
Harvey Oswald?

Jerry

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Re: [CTRL] Y2K Info

[Edward Ford]

Hello all,
There is an excellent article appearing in this months Vanity Fair
Magazine, someone has posted the entire article on the csy2k newsgroup.
Here's the link. It is long but well worth the time.

RemarQ
[Software Year 2000] 12.31.99 The Y2K Nightmare -Vanity Fair- January 1999

Happy New Year to all,
Rusty

"Never try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time and annoys the
pig."
An old farmer

[CTRL] Has Russia Really Given Up Germ Weapons?

[Bill Kingsbury]

 -Caveat Lector-

 from:  http://www.iht.com/IHT/TODAY/TUE/FPAGE/germs.html

 International Herald Tribune
 Paris, Tuesday, December 29, 1998

 Post-Cold War Puzzle:
 Has Russia Really Given Up Germ Weapons?
 -

 By Judith Miller and William J. Broad New York Times Service

 NEW YORK - Just as the Soviet Union was ending its
 confrontation with the West in the late 1980s, the military
 officers who ran Moscow's secretive germ-warfare program
 ordered up new, much deadlier arms.

 At a remote laboratory complex in the then-Soviet republic
 of Kazakhstan, Russian scientists began animal testing of
 the Marburg virus, a highly contagious germ that kills by
 attacking every organ and tissue in the body.

 This secret testing, described recently by several veterans
 of the Soviet program, went undetected at the time by
 Western intelligence agencies, which knew few details of the
 plant's operations.

 Kazakhstan gave up nuclear, biological and chemical weapons
 soon after it became independent seven years ago, and it
 permitted American experts and a handful of reporters to
 visit the plant. From their observations, and from Soviet
 defectors, the West has finally learned what was unfolding
 there in the final years of the Cold War.

 The belated discovery of this exotic arms research is one of
 the elements of a fierce dispute in Washington over whether
 the Russian military is heeding President Boris Yeltsin's
 1992 order to abandon germ warfare.

 Similar fears loom about Iraq. With the apparent end of
 United Nations inspections there, the West is trying to
 track Baghdad's germ-warfare work with satellites and,
 perhaps, spies - the same methods that failed to unmask the
 Soviet program.

 American officials contend that Russia no longer poses a
 major threat. Western experts have visited most of its key
 civilian laboratories, and officials disclosed that Russia
 had recently moved closer to allowing Western experts to
 visit its closed military installations, a crucial step that
 could dispel many of the lingering doubts about Moscow's
 activities.

 American officials also assert that much of what they now
 understand about the Soviet Union's germ weapons has been
 gleaned through Western aid programs designed to foster
 peaceful research projects. Those projects also pay salaries
 to former germ scientists, fending off what officials say is
 the gravest danger from the Soviet program - recruitment of
 scientists by rogue states or terrorists.

 But some U.S. officials, as well as some Republicans in
 Congress, assert that Russia is still secretly researching
 germ weapons. Congress recently cut spending on cooperative
 exchanges with Russian germ scientists from $14 million to
 $7 million, both because of persistent doubts about Russian
 intentions and to punish Moscow for selling nuclear and
 missile technology to Iran.

 The debate turns partly on history. After developing germ
 weapons for several decades, the United States and Russia
 signed an international treaty in 1972 banning such arms.
 Almost immediately, Soviet defectors say, Moscow secretly
 redoubled its germ research and production.

 Officials and lawmakers acknowledge that there is scant hard
 evidence to support their suspicions that Russia is cheating
 again, but they say Moscow's reluctance to open up its
 military bases is an ominous sign.

 That may be changing. Two weeks ago, the officials said, a
 small group of Pentagon experts and senior defense
 scientists met their Russian counterparts for the first time
 at a once-closed military training institute in Tambov, some
 300 miles (480 kilometers) southeast of Moscow.

 High on the agenda were possible scientific exchanges that
 may provide direct Western access to Russia's biological
 "holy of holies," as one official put it: four military
 installations - Sergiyev Posad, Kirov, Yekaterinburg
 (Sverdlovsk) and Strizhi - none of which has been visited by
 the West.

 Officials said the military teams had agreed in principle to
 a series of military exchanges starting in the United States
 sometime next year.

 The breakthrough is potentially significant. Iraq's entire
 germ arsenal contained enough deadly poison at its peak to
 kill all the people on Earth many times over, according to
 UN weapons inspectors. But the Iraqi program was dwarfed by
 the amount and variety of weapons the Soviet Union had
 secretly amassed.

 Stepnogorsk, in Kazakhstan, was the only major Soviet germ
 installation outside the Russian heartland. Called the
 Scientific Experimental and Production Base, it was known
 only by its post office box, No. 2076.

 While Western intelligence analysts had deduced from the
 configuration of the buildings that it was designed to
 produce anthrax or other bacteriological agents, they never
 figured out precisely what kind of research was being done,
 what weapons the factory was making or what threat it posed.

 Six stories 

Re: [CTRL] China White, USA

[Gerald Harp]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/2/99 9:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:


   The use of China White and other forms of illegal drugs is now
   rampant in the United States.

I trust we are all aware of the irony.

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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt Blackmailing Clinton?

[Gerald Harp]

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In a message dated 1/2/99 11:34:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

  I really liked it when Jerry Falwell
  commented that surely in all those men, they should be able to find one who
  had been faithful to his wife.  It took them a while, but they finally got
  one.

Which one?

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Re: [CTRL] Tobacco capitalists' global offensive.

[M. A. Johnson]

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nurev forwarded:



 "The global perspective: a new opium war"
snip

 While it is the responsibility of each nation to implement
 their own tobacco control measures, governmental and
 non-governmental organisations in the USA have a very
 special responsibility:

 The exemplar role - showing that 'It can be done.' The
 message from the USA is that smoking rates can be
 reduced and that litigation can have a major impact.




Opium and morphine are certainly dangerous, habit-forming drugs.
But once the principle is admitted that it is the duty of government
to protect the individual from his own foolishness, no serious
objections can be raised against further encroachments.  A good
case could be made out in favor of the prohibition of alcohol and
nicotine.  And why limit the government's benevolent providence to
the protection of the individual's body only?  Is not the harm a
man can inflict on his mind and soul even more disastrous than any
bodily evils?  Why not prevent him from reading bad books and seeing
bad plays, from looking at bad paintings and statues and from hearing
bad music?  The mischief done by bad ideologies, surely, is much more
pernicious, both for the individual and for the whole society, than
that done by narcotic drugs.

These fears are not merely imaginary specters terrifying secluded
doctrinaires.  It is a fact that no paternal government, whether ancient
or modern, ever shrank from regimenting its subjects' minds, beliefs,
and opinions.  If one abolishes man's freedom to determine his own
consumption, one takes all freedoms away.  The naive advocates of
government interference with consumption delude themselves when they
neglect what they disdainfully call the philosophical aspect of the
problem.  They unwittingly support the cause of censorship, inquisition,
intolerance, and the persecution of dissenters.  --Ludwig von Mises 1949

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[CTRL] Mystery Surrounds Book Author

[Brian Redman]

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MYSTERY SURROUNDS BOOK AUTHOR
=

(CNNS,  01/02/99)  --   Puzzling  circumstances  surrounding  the
reported indictment of David M. Hoffman, author of "The  Oklahoma
City  Bombing  and  the  Politics  of Terror" (Feral House, 1998)
continue to unfold.

A report issued earlier today by this news service had mistakenly
stated  that  Hoffman  had  been  indicted  for  "stalking" by an
Oklahoma grand jury probing the bombing or bombings of the Alfred
Murrah building, in Oklahoma  City,  on  April  19, 1995.  A more
careful reading of the Associated  Press  article  on  which  our
earlier  story had been based discloses that Hoffman had not been
indicted for  "stalking"  by  the  Oklahoma  grand  jury.  BUT IT
REMAINS TRUE, AS REPORTED BY THE ASSOCIATED PRESS,  THAT  HOFFMAN
APPEARS  TO HAVE BEEN INDICTED BY THE OKLAHOMA GRAND JURY.  ("Man
Indicted by Bombing Jury Speaks," AP, 01/01/99)

The AP story does not mention what the  specific  charge  against
Hoffman is.

CNNS  still  stands  behind  its  earlier  report that "It is now
confirmed that Hoffman, author of  'The Oklahoma City Bombing and
the Politics of Terror' and  a  journalist  associated  with  the
Haight-Asbury  Free  Press, appears to be the person named in the
sealed indictment."  ("Confirmed:   Hoffman  Target Of OKC Sealed
Indictment," CNNS, 01/02/99)

As   reported   by  CNNS  earlier  today,  "Hoffman  has  probed,
tirelessly and for dozens  of  months, evidence that the Oklahoma
City bombing(s) involved a wider conspiracy than Timothy  McVeigh
and Terry Nichols, and evidence that more than one bomb destroyed
the Murrah Building in April of 1995."

Further  information  on  the  developing  situation  comes  from
Sherman H. Skolnick, chairman of the Citizens' Committee To Clean
Up The Courts, a public interest research group based in Chicago.
Contacted by Mr. Skolnick, this  news  service  has  learned  the
following:

REPORTEDLY:  That the chief judge in charge of the Oklahoma grand
jury  had  stated,  when the grand jury was first empaneled, that
"the grand jury should  rightfully indict Charles Key."  (Charles
Key is the crusading Oklahoma state representative who has pushed
relentlessly for an honest investigation into  what  happened  in
Oklahoma  City  on  April 19, 1995.  Representative Key wrote the
Foreword to Hoffman's book on the bombing(s).)

FACT:   That  the  same  prosecutor  who  had  originally opposed
Representative Key's push to empanel the Oklahoma grand jury  was
thereafter  put  in  charge of that same grand jury, and seems to
have thwarted an honest investigation into the bombing(s).

FACT:That   as   punishment   for   his   good   citizenship,
Representative  Key  found  himself  harassed  by  local Oklahoma
authorities and local  newspapers  apparently  hostile  to  Key's
efforts.

REPORTEDLY:  That David M.  Hoffman's  lease  on his apartment in
Oklahoma City expired on December 31, 1998 and that  Hoffman  was
in  the process of moving to Washington, DC when the grand jury's
sealed  indictment  against  him  was  handed  up.   Hoffman  had
already, reportedly, left the  apartment  and had hired movers to
relocate his belongings.  Where is  Hoffman  now?

REPORTEDLY:  That the chief judge  presiding  over  the  Oklahoma
grand  jury  had  instructed  the jurors not to look at any press
reports, radio reports,  television  reports,  books, or magazine
articles dealing with the Oklahoma City bombing(s) case.  Yet  by
subpoenaing  Hoffman,  they  basically  subpoenaed  his  book and
thereby violated their instructions.  This legal argument is made
by an attorney  who  has  contacted  Mr.  Skolnick in relation to
Hoffman's current troubles.   Since  the  grand  jury  apparently
violated  the  instructions  they'd received from the judge, that
could  nullify  any  possible   indictment  against  Hoffman  for
presumed "jury tampering" or "obstruction of justice."

FACT:  That Sherman Skolnick was collaborating with David Hoffman
on a planned, upcoming book.  The  planned  book  was  to  expose
facts   behind  the  strange  and  numerous  murders  of  persons
connected to Bill and  Hillary  Clinton.  Skolnick had Hoffman as
his guest during two episodes of his popular television  program,
"Broadsides,"  during  which  Hoffman  and Skolnick discussed the
Oklahoma  City  bombing(s)  and   the  facts  which  Hoffman  had
unearthed while researching his book, "The Oklahoma City  Bombing
and  the Politics of Terror."  WHAT are the "politics of terror"?
Might Hoffman and Skolnick's  researches  pose a potential threat
to some at the heart of the selfsame "politics of terror"?

Developing . . . .

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INFORMATION PLEASE:  Conspiracy Nation  News  Service (CNNS) is a
co-operative effort.  Without the hints/rumors provided  by  many
excellent  sources,  we could not exist.  Have YOU heard anything
lately  that  might  be  

[CTRL] Missing Virus

[Agent Smiley]

Earn £ 1000.- cash. Just find the scientific evidence for the
isolation of the AIDS virus.
RETHINKING AIDS HOMEPAGE



MISSING VIRUS






T h e  J o d y  W e l l s  M e m o r i a l  P r i z e


MISSING VIRUS!
£ 1000 Reward



Blind romantics still believe HIV causes AIDS.
But if 'HIV' has never been isolated, what is
AIDS?

Never isolated? You bet! A cash prize of £ 1000
is offered to the first person finding one scien-
tific paper establishing actual isolation of HIV.

If you or a friendly 'AIDS expert' can prove
isolation, £ 1000 is yours. In cash. In public.

Interested? Pledge the money to your favourite
AIDS charity, why not?

We bet you'll be surprised to discover the truth.

c o n t i n u u m
CHANGING THE WAY WE THINK ABOUT AIDS





The Rules of Isolation
The rules for isolation of a retrovirus were thoroughly
discussed at the Pasteur Institute, Paris, in 1973, and are the
logical minimum requirements for establishing the independent
existence of HIV. They are:
1.Culture of putatively infected tissue.
2. Purification of specimens by density gradient
ultracentrifugation.
3. Electron micrographs of particles exhibiting the
morfological characteristics and dimensions (100-120nm) of
retroviral particles at the sucrose (or percoll) density of
1.16 gm/ml and containing nothing else, not even particles
of other morphologies or dimensions.
4. Proof that the particles contain reverse transcriptase.
5. Analysis of the particles' proteins and RNA and proof
that these are unique.
6. Proof that 1-5 are a property only of putatively infected
tissues and can not be induced in control cultures. These
are identical cultures, that is, tissues obtained from
matched, unhealthy subjects and cultured under identical
conditions differing only in that they are not putatively
infected with a retrovirus.
7. Proof that the particles are infectious, that is when
PURE particles are introduced into an uninfected culture or
animal, the identical particle is obtained as shown by
repeating steps 1-5.





First Respons to Continuum Award (May '96)
Edward King, editor of UK's National AIDS Manual and writer
for the Pink Paper, published the first respons in NAM's
Treatment Update. Here you find King's article, and here the
reply published in Continuum.



Duesberg Claims Continuum Reward (July/Aug. '96)
Prof. Peter Duesberg believes HIV exists and has been
isolated, here his claim for the Continuum Award. Here a
respons (long) by the researchers from Perth, here the bare
essentials of the paper, and here a review of the paper.
Here another reply by Dr. Stefan Lanka.



Debate Continues (Feb./March '97)
Prof. Duesberg responded to the reply of the Australians and
Dr. Lanka, here you find it. Here a second reply by the
research team, and here second one by Dr. Lanka.



First Pictures of "Pure HIV" (March '97)
Two historic papers in the leading science journal Virology
in March this year provide astonishing new data on the
purification and isolation of HIV. For the first time in the
history of AIDS, elusive electron microscope images of 'HIV'
collected or 'banded' at the official density required for
retroviruses, 1.16 gm/ml, have been published, by a research
group in Germany. The electronmicrographs disclose "major
contaminants" in "pure HIV".

HIV expert Hans Gelderblom of Berlin's Robert Koch
Institute, whose photos of non-banded 'HIV' material have
been the industrial benchmark since 1987, co-authored the
first paper which describes the 

[CTRL] Virus Myth

[Agent Smiley]

RETHINKING AIDS HOMEPAGE




A CRITIQUE OF THE EVIDENCE
FOR THE ISOLATION OF HIV
A SUMMARY OF THE VIEWS OF PAPADOPULOS ET. AL.

The proposal that AIDS is caused by a unique, infectious
retrovirus requires proof for the existence of such a
retrovirus. Since the announcement of the discovery of certain
laboratory phenomena claimed as proof of the existence of HIV we
have critically analysed the data and have always maintained
that no such proof exists [1-11].
A virus is a microscopic particle of particular size and shape
(morphology) which contains particular constituents (biochemical
properties) and which is able to replicate only at the behest of
living protoplasm, that is, a virus is an obligatory
intracellular parasite. Replication of a virus-like particle is
the property which defines the particle as being infectious,
that is, virus-like particle + replication = virus. These
defining data determine that the only way to prove the existence
of a novel (new) virus is to (i) isolate viral-like particles,
that is, first obtain the particles separate from everything
else; (ii) determine their morphological characteristics; (iii)
analyse their constituents (nucleic acid and proteins)
demonstrating that such properties are those of retroviruses and
are unique; (iv) prove that the particles are infectious, that
is, when pure particles are introduced into non-infected cell
cultures, new but identical particles appear. Only then can the
viral-like particles be deemed to a virus. In the case of
retroviruses, the steps in this procedure were developed over
the half century that preceded the AIDS era and are described in
Toplin and Sinoussi. [12,13]. These steps are:
1. Culture of putatively infected cells demonstrating that
such cultures contain retroviral-like particles, that is,
particles virtually spherical in shape with a diameter of
100-120nM and with "condensed inner bodies (cores)" and
surfaces "studded with projections (knobs)" [14].
2. Purification of a sample by ultracentrifugation through a
sucrose density gradient. A test tube containing a solution
of sucrose, ordinary table sugar, is prepared light at the
top but gradually becoming heavier towards the bottom. A
drop of supernatant (decanted) cell culture fluid is gently
placed on top of the sucrose column and the test-tube is
centrifuged for several hours at extremely high speeds. This
generates tremendous forces forcing any particles present
through the sugar solution until they reach a point where
their buoyancy prevents further penetration. For retroviral
particles this occurs where the density of the sucrose
solution reaches 1.16 gm/ml. At this the point the particles
concentrate or, to use virological terminology, this is
where the particles band. The 1.1 band is then selectively
extracted for further analysis.
3. Using the electron microscope (EM), photograph the 1.16
band proving there are particles of the correct morphology
and no other material.
4. Disrupt and analyse the constituents of such particles.
5. Introduce pure particles into a virgin culture and, by
repeating the above steps, prove that identical particles
are produced.
To date, many electron micrographs of particles claimed to be
retrovirus-like have been published. However, not one of these
micrographs demonstrates particles satisfying both main
morphological features of retroviral particles, that is, a
diameter of 100-120nM and a surface studded with knobs. (HIV
researchers are unanimous that the knobs contain a protein,
gp120, which is essential for the first step in infection and
replication, that is, for the particle to fuse with the membrane
of an uninfected cell in order that the HIV particle with its
'HIV RNA" gains access to the interior of the cell [15].
To prove the existence of HIV, both Montagnier's group in 

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[CTRL] You ARE the Password

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Personal computers can now recognize users BR
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Everything from computers and automated teller machines to cars and BR
even the front doors of homes could ask to check your fingerprint, BR
hear your voice or see your face as a way of proving your identity.BR
These biometrics -- your body's unique characteristics -- could be BR
both more convenient and more secure than passwords or keys.BR
Convenient because you wouldn't have to carry anything special in BR
your pocket or inside your head. Your ``keys,'' which would always BR
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Oh, sure, movies and television shows are full of spies recording BR
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such stunts are possible in the real world, they require far more BR
expertise and money than simply overhearing or guessing a password BR
or pinching a key ring.BR
There is, however, a privacy question. It's one thing to identify BR
ourselves to our own computers and cars, but do we want large BR
corporations or the government keeping our body measurements on BR
file? There's already a bill before the Legislature that would limit BR
the collection and sale of biometric information. For details, go to BR
the World Wide Web (http://www.sen.ca.gov) and look for Senate Bill BR
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(650-261-6070, http://www.digitalpersona.com). And I loved it.BR
The fingerprint scanner hardware is about the size of a mouse and BR
connects to the USB port of a Windows personal computer. You'll need BR
Windows 95 or 98, with support for NT due soon, as well as a Pentium BR
processor and 16 megabytes of random-access memory (RAM). Inside the BR
scanner is a light-sensitive chip, much like those in a digital BR
camera, and on top there's a postage-stamp-size window where you BR
press your fingertip.BR
More light reflects from the ridges on your fingerprint than from BR
the valleys, so the software can quickly see an image of the BR
fingerprint's curved lines. The software looks for the core, or BR
center, of the resulting curves and for the minutiae -- places where BR
ridges end or begin. It then calculates the angles between the core BR
and the minutiae, angles that are the same no matter how you press BR
your finger on the scanner.BR
After plugging the scanner in and installing the accompanying BR
software -- a very quick and easy task -- you choose two fingers BR
that will be used for identification. Then you press those two BR
fingers on the scanner window four times each.BR
Now you can start throwing away your passwords, starting with that BR
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file so it can't be viewed without your fingerprint key.BR
 

[CTRL] hello

[Jesse M Dolan]

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Hi Teo, Hey did I hear you on Art Bell during the 1999 Predictions?

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Re: [CTRL] Report of Investigation

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Linda,

Please keep us updated on this!  VERY interesting stuff!

Hilary


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Subject: [CTRL] Report of Investigation


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There is now no doubt that Volume II of the CIA Inspector General's
investigation of Contra Drug trafficking is a part of the impeachment
calculus. Various sources are reporting on the net that Bill Clinton is
threatening to bring down the entire government with Volume II hearings
which are supposed to occur within the next three weeks. As described in
the
October and November issues of my newsletter From The Wilderness,
Volume II, released October 8th is a virtual confession by
the CIA that it criminally conspired, with premeditation, to traffic in
cocaine during the Contra war.


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Re: [CTRL] hello

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Hey, I was wondering the same thing.  Guess great minds think alike.
And, p lease answer the question Teo,   inquiring minds want to knowvbg

Lynne

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Re: [CTRL] Bill Clinton: Deadbeat Dad?

[Linda Minor]

Gerald Harp [EMAIL PROTECTED] responded:

In a message dated 1/1/99 9:44:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:

 Other persons with offices there, according to the
  1956 Dallas City Directory, included George DeMohrenschildt, Suite
1639-40;

Linda, is this the guy who turned out to be a sort of facilitator for Lee
Harvey Oswald?

+
DeMohrenschildt, who was a petroleum geologist, was well acquainted with a
number of people involved in the oil industry, including George Bush.  I
will attach a brief excerpt of some of his involvements.

Linda


DALLAS OIL MEN AND BANKERS

Zapata Petroleum was first formed in 1953.  By his own account, George Bush moved to 
Houston at a point in 1959 when Zapata Petroleum spun off its subsidiary, Zapata 
Off-Shore [ZOS], each corporation buying out the other's interest. The initial 
investors in the parent corporation were procured by Brown Brothers, Harriman (whom 
George represented) and by Gulf Oil (whose agents were Bill and Hugh Liedtke).  The 
Liedtkes' father was the  Oklahoma general counsel to the Mellons' Gulf Oil Corp.
As a member of Houston's petroleum community, Bush made contact with other members of 
the same "investment" class of businessmen, including:  (1) W.S. Farish-an heir to a 
fortune in Standard Oil of New Jersey and Sears Roebuck stock-invested through his 
family's investment banks-as well as connected by marriage to Houston's famous Rice 
family, Howard Hughes, and the Neuhaus family who controlled the investments of 
multi-millionaire oilman Hugh Cullen; (2) James A. Baker III-whose family of 
lawyer/bankers had created and controlled the Rice University endowment, and set up 
the law firm of Baker  Botts; Baker became a partner at the firm of Andrews, Kurth, 
which was set up by attorney Frank Andrews-long-time lawyer for the railroads which 
consolidated to form the Atkinson, Topeka and Santa Fe.  Andrews had been the family 
attorney for Howard Hughes, Sr. And also advised Howard Jr. in the making of his will 
at age 19 when he married the niece of W.S. Farish's wife.  Hughes' mother's sister 
married Dr. Fred Lummis, whose mother was a sister of Farish's wife. 
Zapata Offshore set up its headquarters in the Houston Club Building, the building 
which also housed the offices of investor W.S. Farish III of Underwood Neuhaus  Co.  
After the split from the Liedtkes' company, Bush entered into a joint venture with 
Jorge Diaz Serrano in a Mexican drilling company called Permargo, which received 
lucrative contracts from Pemex.  Permargo had been founded by Edwin Pauley, whom FDR 
had named to be Secretary of the Navy, but whose appointment was blocked by the 
Senate.1  Instead, Pauley went to Mexico City, where he worked with George Bush and 
other associates during the years preceding the Bay of Pigs operation (the code name 
of which was "Operation Zapata").  Serrano left Permargo to become head of Pemex in 
1975, but in 1983 was convicted of defrauding the Mexican government.2  Jonathan 
Kwitny, the investigative reporter checking into the story, discovered that Zapata's 
corporate records from 1960 to 1966, stored at the SEC, had been "inadvertently 
destroyed" shortly after Bush became U.S. Vice-President.3
1.  Dresser Industries
  In 1961 Zapata Offshore joined a consortium with Dresser Industries4 and General 
Dynamics to bid on the Mohole Project, which was awarded to Brown  Root.5   In 1950 
Dresser Industries had relocated its headquarters to Dallas with a large branch office 
in Houston-the center of the oil and gas industry.  Before the 1961 bid Dresser  had 
rejected the opportunity to acquire Brown  Root, whose chairman, Herman Brown, was 
the organizer of Houston's own political action committee; Herman's brother George R. 
Brown, was for many years head of the Rice Institute board of governors and was Lyndon 
Johnson's biggest contributor and fund-raiser.  The Rice board controlled the assets 
and companies of Howard Hughes, not the least important of which was the patent for 
the three-cone rolling cutter rock bit.  According to the history of Dresser, written 
by Darwin Payne:
A lawyer and inventor named Howard R. Hughes, father of an even more famous son who by 
now had expanded the family enterprises into the motion picture and aircraft 
industries, had invented this unique bit, with three revolving cutting elements, 
before World War I.  It was one of the most important contributions of the century to 
the art of drilling.  The company he formed, Hughes Tool Company, now controlled some 
80 percent of the bit business.  Dresser inquired into the possibility of acquiring 
the company, sought persistently but in vain to win an audience with the younger 
Hughes, and finally realized that the firm was not available under any circumstances.  
Neither was the second most important company in the field, Reed Roller Bit, although 
a deal had seemed imminent until its principal owner balked at the last 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bloomfield and FBI Division Five

[Linda Minor]

-Original Message-
From: Kenn Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Saturday, January 02, 1999 12:07 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: Bloomfield and FBI Division Five


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I hope I'm not re-stating the obvious by pointing out that information on
Bloomfield, Permindex, Division Five, Defense Industrial Security Command
and all
the rest is in the Torbitt Document. The Torbitt is reprinted in its
entirety in
NASA, Nazis  JFK, available from Adventures Unlimited Press,
www.azstarnet.com/~aup or call 815-253-6390 for a free catalog.

kt

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According to a 1970 report called "The Torbitt Document," a compilation of information 
gathered by a Texas attorney from "court-approved and documented evidence" from 
sources 
in the U.S. Customs Department and the Narcotics Bureau, from the Warren Commission 
and the 
Garrison investigations, Bloomfield's Permindex Corp. supervised five subsidiary 
groups:
(1) "White Russian" organization called the Solidarists--members Ferenc Nagy of 
Dallas (former Hungarian premier) and Jean De Menil of Houston (head of 
Schlumberger);
(2) American Council of Churches--H.L. Hunt organization;
(3) Free Cuba Committee--Carlos Prio Soccaras (Cuban ex-president);
(4) "The Syndicate"--Clifford Jones and Bobby Baker working with Joe Bonanno Mafia 
family;
(5) NASA's Security Division--Werner Von Braun, headquarters in Redstone Arsenal 
in 
Muscle Shoals, Alabama and on East Broad Street in Columbus, Ohio.

The Kennedy assassination was planned and carried out by Division Five of the FBI, 
which 
acted in conjunction with the Defense Intelligence Agency under the control of the 
Joint Chiefs.  
These divisions had a highly secret police agency called the Defense Industrial 
Security 
Command, which also worked with NASA, the Atomic Energy Commission (AEC), USIA and 
weapons and ammunition supply corporations (munitions makers) which contract with 
those 
agencies.  The police force originated in the 1930's to work for the Tennessee Valley 
Authority, 
then expanded to the AEC, tying it in with army intelligence.  Agents of this force 
included Clay 
Shaw, Guy Bannister, David Ferrie, Lee Harvey Oswald, Jack Ruby and others, and was 
headed 
up by Bloomfield.  According to this report:

The principal financiers of Permindex were a number of U.S. oil companies, H.L. 
Hunt, Clint Murchison, John De Menil, Solidarist director of Houston, John 
Connally, as executor of Sid Richardson estate, Haliburton [sic] Oil Co., Sen. 
Robert Kerr of Okla., Troy Post of Dallas, Lloyd Cobb of New Orleans, Dr. Oechner 
of New Orleans, George and Herman Brown of Brown  Root, Attorney Roy M. 
Cohn, Chairman of the Board for Lionel Corp., New York City, Schenley Industries 
of New York City, Walter Dornberger, ex-Nazi general and his company, Bell 
Aerospace, Pan American World Airways and its subsidiary, Intercontinental Hotel 
Corp., Paul Raigorodsky of Claiborne Oil of New Orleans, Credit Suisse of 
Canada, and Heineken's Brewery of Canada and a host of other munitions 
makers and NASA contractors directed by the Defense Industrial Security 
Command.

Torbitt also mentions that a group of “25 to 30 professional executioners have been 
based in Mexico and have been used by espionage agencies of the U.S. and various 
countries 
all over the world for political killings for the past 25 years.”  The reference for 
this information is 
given as the New Orleans District Attorney [Jim Garrison] records and the private 
files of Bill 
Allcorn [special assistant attorney general of Texas]in the Buddy Floyd assassination 
case in Alice, 
Texas, 1952.
The “espionage section of the FBI’s nest of professional assassins in Mexico” began in 
1943 under J. Edgar Hoover, who allowed the D.I.A.  to use the assassins by going 
through an 
American-based subsidiary of Permindex called Double-Chek Corporation.  One 
unauthorized 
contract killing two of the assassins were hired to commit was in 1952 involving an 
Alice, Texas 
district 

[CTRL] Heroin Production

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

from:

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/heroin/historic.htm

INTERIM DRAFT FINAL REPORT:

HISTORICAL REVIEW OF OPIUM/HEROIN PRODUCTION



by Alfred W. McCoy




CONTENTS:

I. Executive Summary:

II. Analysis of Epochs, Trends  Causality:

1.) Glossary of Basic Concepts.
2.) Opium as Folk Pharmacopoeia (Up to 1600).
3.) Early European Opium Trade (1640-1773).
4.) Era of European Mercantilism (1773-1858).
5.) High Imperial Opium Trade (1858-1907).
6.) Multilateral Control  Syndicate Crime
(1907-1940).
7.) War  Transition (1940-1947).
8.) Cold War Opium Expansion (1948-1972).
9.) Origins of US Bilateral Suppression
(1973-1979).
10.) Production Increase in Asian Zone
(1979-1989).
11.) Global Proliferation of Opium (1989-1994).

III. Policy Implications  Recommendations:

IV. Notes on Text  Tables:

V. Graphs, Tables:


=
Excerpt:

4.) Era of European Mercantilism (1773-1858):

a.) Summary of Text in "Politics of Heroin" (pp. 80-89):

The modern era in the global opium trade began in 1773 when the British
Governor-General of Bengal established a monopoly on the sale of opium. Over
the next 130 years, Britain actively promoted the export of Indian opium,
defying Chinese drug laws and fighting two wars to open China's drug market
for its merchants. Under the British, Indian opium became a major global
commodity, giving this modern commerce a scale and organization that
distinguishes it from earlier forms.
When the East India Company conquered Bengal, it took control of a
well-established opium industry involving peasant producers, merchants, and
long-distance traders. In 1773, the British Governor abolished the Indian
opium syndicate at Patna and established a colonial monopoly on principles
that operated for the next half-century. Under the new regulations, the
Company had the exclusive right to purchase opium from Bengal's farmers and
auction it for export. Realizing that opium was illegal in China, the
Governor barred the Company's ships that called at Canton to load tea from
carrying opium, leaving actual sale of the addictive drug to the private
European merchants who bid at the Company's Calcutta auctions.
In 1797 the Company eliminated the local opium buyers in Bengal and
established a system of direct collection that lasted for over a century.
Under the new procedures, the Company, and the colonial state that succeeded
it, controlled opium cultivation, processing, and export. At its peak in the
late 19th century, Bengal's opium country stretched for 500 miles across the
Ganges River Valley, with over a million registered farmers growing poppy
plants exclusively for the company on some 500,000 acres of prime land. From
their factories at Patna and Benares in the heart of opium country, senior
British officers directed some 2,000 Indian agents who circulated through
the poppy districts, extending credit and collecting opium. Processed under
strict supervision at the two Company factories, the opium was packed into
wooden chests, each containing forty balls and weighing 140 pounds. Bearing
the "Patna" and "Benares" trade-marks, the chests were sent down to Calcutta
under guard and sold at auction to private British merchants.
Since the Chinese state had damned opium as a "destructive and ensnaring
vice" and banned all imports in 1799, British sea captains bribed Canton's
mandarins and smuggled the chests into southern China where the Bengal
brands commanded twice the price of the inferior local products. For its
first quarter century, this system assured prosperity for British India and
a stable opium supply for China. Not only did opium solve the fiscal crisis
that accompanied the British conquest of Bengal, it remained a staple of
colonial finances, providing from six to fifteen percent of British India's
tax revenues during the 19th Century.
More importantly, opium exports were an essential component of a "triangular
trade" that was central to England's position as a world power. Trade
figures for the 1820s, for example, show that the triangular trade was large
and well balanced: 22 million pounds sterling worth of Indian opium and
cotton to China; next, 20 million pounds worth of Chinese tea to Britain;
and, then, 24 million pounds of British textiles and machinery back to
India. In managing this trade, the Company prized stability above profit,
and for over twenty years it held India's opium exports at 4,000 chests--or
280 tons, just enough to finance its purchase of China's tea crop.
The system's success was the cause of its downfall. The vast profits of the
Britain's opium trade attracted competitors. Moreover, the Company's
steadfast refusal to raise Bengal's opium exports beyond the quota of 4,000
chests per annum left a vast unmet demand for drugs among China's swelling
population of opium smokers. As demand drove the price per chest upward from
415 rupees in 1799 to 2,428 rupees just 15 years later, the Company's
monopoly on Bengal opium faced strong competition from 

Re: [CTRL] Bill Gatesfuhrer

[EASTERISLE]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/2/99 1:26:52 AM, you wrote:

Gates is even
identified as "Mr. Internet" by some yet his RD director was on tv a
month ago and said that five years ago they didn't think internet was
going to be such a big deal. Recently Gates was on the PWL tv show here
and she asked him about AI. What a joke. Is he now going to be
identified as "Mr. AI"?

Yeah, really. This is the same Bill Gates who once said (paraphrasing here,
don't recall exact quote) something to the effect that there would never be a
need for more than 512k of memory for a personal computer. He's good at one
thing and one thing only: using and manipulating the system, any system, for
his own personal gain, for the sole purpose of guaranteeing his own success.
When he was in high school, he was the only person in the whole school --
staff included, obviously -- who could understand how the class scheduling
computer worked. He was a scrawny little geek, naturally, who had a hard time
getting dates, so he would schedule all of his classes so that he was the only
male in the class, thereby eliminating his sexual competition. Too bad the
cafeteria didn't have a seating chart, e?

--Charles

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[CTRL] The Rise of Capitalism vs. Mercantilism

[Linda Minor]

 -Caveat Lector-

Keep in mind I'm a mere amateur in economics, but the history of these
systems is something that must be studied if we are to understand who is
behind conspiracies.
Linda
==

from:
http://www.drury.edu/faculty/ess/history/modern/econhist.html

Because mercantilism depended upon large amounts of gold and silver there is
a push towards the exploration of distant lands to find more gold and, at
least for the mercantilists, more wealth. This desire for gold coupled with
the belief that a state should only import raw materials led to
colonialzation. A colony could provide the raw materials a nation would
need, without having to pay someone else for them. If your goal is to
maximize the store of gold in your state this is a good way to do it.

As I noted above there was a large increase in the amount of exploration
during this time frame. To be able to discover something, to trade with a
distant nation, or to bring goods into your state from a distant colony
required the use of navigation. In order to sail the open oceans, one would
need better navigational instruments and better mathematical
techniques.(Alioto 162) This led nations to set up places where advanced
mathematical techniques and where advanced geography could take
place.(Boorstin 49 ) Because mercantilism was concerned with the political,
as well as the economic, power of a state the art of warfare changed. Alioto
notes that the Hundred Years War between the French and the Engilsh changed
warfare.(Alioto 162) Armies were now professional and science was used to
further the ability of weapons to kill. New fire power required improved
skills in engineering and mathematics.(ibid) Alioto also notes that the
financial burden of these wars led to an interdependence between the state
and the merchant class, and the "old local economic patterns of the Middle
Ages were gradually swept away by this new rationalization of
violence."(ibid) Here it is evident that the development of new scientific
inquiry was a direct result of the role of the mercantile economic system.

Mercantilism ultimately lost intellectual respectabilty.



LM:  Or so they say.  I am developing a theory that mercantilism is what our
country is based on today.

-
Mercantilism also broke down because many people at this time were beginning
to realize that a state regulated economy was not providing well for the
nation as a whole. Men began to reject a purely rationalistic view of
knowledge in favor of an empirical view, that stressed that we can only know
what we can sense.(Ekelund 65) This can best be seen in a poem by Bernard de
Mandeville called The Grumbling Hive; or Knaves Turn'd Honest, written in
1705. Mandeville's point was that through observing people in the real world
he noticed that people often times do things that are "wrong" or in their
own interests, but that their wrong doing leads to an overall benefit to
society at large. Mandeville's conclusion was that economic freedom should
be given to the society at large in order for the entire community to
benefit from anothers "vice".


LM:  Mandeville was an apologist for the drug pusher mentality of
Freemasonry which controls our world today.
-
In conclusion, mercantilism led to colonialzation, the exploration of the
New World, the further development of science, and in its down fall led to
the beginnings of economic liberalism.

Example of Today's Rent-Seeking Mercantilism:

from:
http://www.cato.org/pubs/regulation/reg19n4b.html

Desperately Seeking Rentseekers

For years many academics have suggested that regulatory policies are more
the result of interest-group manipulation than dispassionate consideration
of the public interest. Many firms find it easier to lobby for wealth
transfers than to compete for wealth in an open marketplace. This practice
is commonly referred to as "rent seeking." The "rents" sought are economic
returns in excess of those that a competitive marketplace would allow. As
defined by economist Robert Tollison, "Rent seeking is the expenditure of
scarce resources to capture an artificially created transfer."

Rent seeking occurs, in part, because firms can receive concentrated
benefits through government action while the costs are dispersed throughout
the whole of society. In the case of sugar subsidies, for example, the
benefits accrue directly to U.S. sugar producers, while the costs, estimated
at $1.4 billion per year, are paid by sugar consumers in the form of higher
sugar prices. When such policies are enacted, a narrow interest arguably
wins while everyone else loses.

In the regulatory context, rent seeking typically consists of pursuing
government intervention that will provide a comparative advantage to a
particular industry. By restricting entry or reducing output, regulations
often reduce competition, create cartels, and increase returns. Thus,
tariffs and licensing restrictions are regulatory measures commonly sought
by 

[CTRL] Fwd: Ammonium Nitrate Bust in SF

[RoadsEnd]

 (The BATF and feds were also present in force, cordoning off a mile
square area in the Mission, but that little fact apparently didn't make it to
AP ... )

Repairman Arrested for Explosives

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- A utility repairman was in custody Friday after
authorities discovered bomb materials, including 250 pounds of ammonium
nitrate, the same ingredient used in the Oklahoma City bombing, at his
workplace.

Paul Joseph Madronich Jr., 44, enjoyed making small explosives and fireworks
and did not appear to have a political agenda, according to investigators.

Police believe he was using the material for small explosives such as cherry
bombs and M-80s that he sold to co-workers.

The 19-year Pacific Gas  Electric Co. employee was being held Friday on $1
million bail on three counts of possessing an explosive device.

The materials were discovered Thursday in a locker at a PGE warehouse. Police
and fire officials evacuated 75 people from the building and a facility across
the street, concerned that the ammonium nitrate, a fertilizer, had been mixed
with volatile substances and might explode.

Inside another locker police found a 33-gallon drum of calcium nitrate along
with books on bomb making, broken flares, electronic devices and a ``small
quantity of actual, ready-to-go explosives,'' police spokesman Sherman
Ackerson said.

``Basically, (Madronich) was set up to make bombs,'' Ackerson said. ``If
activated as an explosive, it would have destroyed a good portion of the
building it was found in.''

After he was booked, Madronich led officers to ``a whole bunch more bomb-
making stuff,'' at a second PGE facility, Ackerson said. Authorities also
carted off boxes of material from Madronich's home.

Assistant District Attorney Jean Daly said Madronich appeared to be motivated
by profit rather than politics, selling his small explosives to co-workers who
nicknamed him ``the Unabomber.''

``He appears to be a loner,'' she said.

Madronich, who lived with his parents, was described by neighbors as a polite,
well-behaved man. He has no known criminal record, according to police.

Madronich could face additional charges in federal court if it is determined
the ammonium nitrate was to be used for an illegal purpose -- such as
explosives. The charges Madronich faces are not linked to the ammonium
nitrate, which is not against the law to possess.

Ammonium nitrate was the principal ingredient in the bomb that destroyed the
Oklahoma City federal building in 1995, killing 168 people.

[CTRL] Fwd: The Inner Nixon

[RoadsEnd]

The Obvious question - Whose way was most of the time?

Om
K




 "Nixon was unhappy with the amount of attention paid Kissinger. Once he
ordered  Kissinger not to see reporters under any circumstances, to do no
interviews, and to have no social meetings.
 "He wanted the White House staff to focus on the president, not on
Kissinger, and pleaded with aide John D. Ehrlichman, 'Can't you let me do
things MY way, just this one time, for a change?' ''


Insights Into the Innermost Nixon

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Richard Nixon did not like the portrait of him on the walls
of federal buildings. He did not like all the attention that foreign policy
adviser Henry Kissinger got. He also did not like most government workers --
99.9 percent had nothing to contribute, he said.

These candid insights into the opinions of the 37th president come from one of
the few people outside the National Archives to have heard some of the still-
secret tapes seized by the government when Nixon resigned as president in
1974: appraiser Steve Johnson.

In a report entered as evidence in a lawsuit, Johnson reported that Nixon
grumbled that he did not get enough credit for working through lunch hours and
into the night. Nixon complained, too, in 1970 that Vice President Spiro Agnew
was being sent to big cities to give speeches. The White House ``should save
larger places'' for him, he told aides.

On the other hand, Nixon was a hard worker, Johnson wrote. ``He can discuss
any detail precisely, without preparation, even with the specific staff person
within the bureaucracy who is working on the matter.''

Nixon turned ``earthy and mildly profane'' when having to confront the
disagreeable. When Nixon tried to make a joke, his humor ``might be
characterized as corny,'' Johnson also said.

Johnson was hired by the late president's estate to appraise the recordings
for its lawsuit against the government seeking $210 million in payment and
interest for materials Nixon left behind. His estate used the report to show
that the tapes were valuable historic documents.

The government argued that paying anything would ``convert a national legacy
into a national embarrassment.''

Paraphrasing the president, Johnson reported that Nixon felt ``that 99.9
percent of government people have nothing new to add to anything'' and
``routinely refers to the non-senior staff members as 'little boys.''' He
added, ``On one occasion he makes a statement warning that 'Some of these
little boys should not hear the kind of talk we will be doing to plan this
speech.'''

Nixon expressed unhappiness with the amount of attention paid Kissinger. On
one occasion, he directed that Kissinger should not see Time magazine
reporters under any circumstances, should do no interviews, have no social
meetings and return no phone calls.

``He wants White House staff to talk about the president when they get a
chance, never about Kissinger,'' Johnson notes, adding that Nixon pleaded with
aide John D. Ehrlichman, ``Please to let him do it his way just this one
time.''

On another occasion, Nixon told Press Secretary Ron Ziegler that anyone in the
White House who talked to Time reporters ``should have their resignations
requested within one minute.''

Frustrated with leaks, he discussed leaking false information to the
Washington Post and CBS ``to throw them off and make them look unreliable.''
He also talked about giving lie detector tests to the 300,000 people in
government with top secret security clearances to combat leaks.

After nine months in office, Nixon complained he got ``no public relations
exposure'' about working through lunch hours without eating and late into the
night, Johnson noted.

And near the end of his first term, Nixon expressed unhappiness to Ziegler
about a photograph of him on public display. ``The president feels he needs a
new smiling photograph on the walls of federal buildings,'' Johnson wrote.

Nixon's humor tended to be ``corny,'' the appraiser said, but occasional humor
occurs on the tapes.

In 1971, Nixon recalled a question from a group of editors asking what came
into his head when he woke up in the middle of the night. He had replied that
he pondered achieving world peace, but privately he told aides he wished he
had told the truth: ``that he thought about going to the bathroom just like
everybody does when they get up at night.''

[CTRL] Fwd: You Most Admire Bill Hillary, Right?

[RoadsEnd]

Clintons Top Poll of Most Admired

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Despite scandal and impeachment, President Clinton is the
nation's most admired man and Hillary Rodham Clinton is the most admired woman
in the Gallup Poll's annual survey.

Clinton was selected by 14 percent of those questioned, well ahead of the Rev.
Bill Graham, who, named by 6 percent, made the list for the 34th consecutive
year.

The Gallup Organization noted that sitting presidents are usually selected by
Americans as the most admired person.

Behind Clinton and Graham were Pope John Paul II, Colin Powell, former
President Carter, President Nelson Mandela of South Africa, Michael Jordan and
computer businessman Bill Gates.

Mother Teresa held first place as the most admired woman in 1997 and 1996, but
with her death Mrs. Clinton moved into the top spot. Television personality
Oprah Winfrey moved into second place, followed by former first lady Barbara
Bush and former British prime minister Margaret Thatcher in a tie for third
place. They are followed by Secretary of State Madeleine Albright, Elizabeth
Dole, president of the American Red Cross, writer Maya Angelou, Attorney
General Janet Reno, Queen Elizabeth of Britain and former first lady Nancy
Reagan.

The poll, in which 1,005 adults were interviewed, has a margin of error of
plus or minus 3 percentage points

[CTRL] Fwd: Anglo-American Lords of Industry

[RoadsEnd]

 from alt.talk.royalty:

Subject: Peerage to US citizen?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Epstein)
Date: Wed, Dec 30, 1998 22:46 EST
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The retiring chairman of Ford,Sir Alexander Trotman,is made a Life Peer
in the New Year Honours List.The Times article claims he is now a USA
citizen,which would make this award most unusual...he would not be
entitled to privileges of the peerage in the UK,and the title would
be ignored here.

(Not the only British-born head of a USA enterprise who has been
honoured latelySir Dennis Weatherstone is the immediate past
chairman of J.P. Morgan and Company...not sure of his citizenship,
but in each case when their knighthoods were mentioned I assumed
they had remained British).

Subject: Re: Peerage to US citizen?
From: Lee Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, Dec 31, 1998 11:03 EST
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

According to British citizenship policy, once a Brit always a Brit until
you formally renounce your citizenship to the Home office.   According to
British law, he can be a dual citizenship thus be allowed to have the
rights and privileges as a peerage.  According to US law, he can not give
his allegiance to any other government; however the only way to have your
citizenship revoked it through the Attorney General taking action of
revocation.  Additionally, the President and the Prime Minister are
consulted about peerage for those who are US citizens and are usually
accord these privileges; ie. Sir Ronald Reagan, Sir General Schwartzkopf
the general of the Persian War

Immigration Information Officer (yes for real)


Subject: Re: Viscount Astor (was Re: Peerage to US citizen?)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Louis Epstein)
Date: Fri, Jan 1, 1999 14:26 EST
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Walter Kaufman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
: There are two Astor's in the House of Lords. Viscount Astor and Lord
: Astor of Hever.  They are, of course, related.  Both peers today,
: frequently sit and speak in the house.  One is, I think, even a shadow
: minister.

The first Lord Astor of Hever was a younger brother of the 2nd Viscount
Astor...they were both born in the USA,in the lifetime of their
grandfather John Jacob Astor III(died 1890) and emigrated with their
father,who as noted was naturalized a British subject before being
created a peer.I am not sure whether they needed to undergo separate
naturalization themselves.All their successors have been born in the
UK.

Subject: Re: Peerage to US citizen?
From: Edwin King [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, Dec 31, 1998 15:35 EST
Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Lee Carter wrote:

 According to US law, he can not give
 his allegiance to any other government; however the only way to have your
 citizenship revoked it through the Attorney General taking action of
 revocation.  Additionally, the President and the Prime Minister are
 consulted about peerage for those who are US citizens and are usually
 accord these privileges; ie. Sir Ronald Reagan, Sir General Schefkophf(sic)
 the general of the Persian War

Well, there are significant diferences between knighthoods and peerages,
inasmuch as a peer has a seat in the legislature and in taking it up
swears an oath of allegiance: this would seem to fall outside US law as
you state it.

[CTRL] Fwd: Holy Bat Shit

[RoadsEnd]

Wow



This one isn't a hoax.  Think ya better take a look.  Reckon somebody was
ticked at MCI?


 Self-replicating virus attacks MCI

 Network attacked by code that mimics human administrator
 By Jim Kerstetter, PC Week Online
 ZDNN

 Dec. 21 - The computer network of MCI Worldcom was broadly attacked
 last week by a new virus that one official called "the first
 legitimate incident of cyber-terrorism" he had ever seen. The virus,
 called Remote Explorer, pretends to be a network administrator and can
 spread without human help. That makes it more dangerous than
 traditional viruses requiring infected e-mail or a floppy disk for
 transmission.

 STORY CONTINUES BELOW


 ADVERTISING ON MSNBC ON MSN





 SECURITY EXPERTS FROM NETWORK ASSOCIATES Inc. described it as a "new
 era in the virus field ... an entirely new kind of virus."


 "I don't think it's hyperbole to call this an information time bomb,"
 Hodges said.




 Once in place, Remote Explorer wreaks havoc by encrypting files on
 users machines - from programs to text files. These were not
 destroyed, however, and Network Associates says it will soon have a
 fix on its Web site which can restore the encrypted files.


 The "smart virus" attacks Windows NT-based networks and propagates
 over the local network, said Gene Hodges, a general manager at Network
 Associates in Santa Clara, Calif.


 Remote Explorer goes by the file name IE403r.sys and utilizes NT's
 remote management tools to act like a human network administrator. It
 then orders copies of itself around the network. Once on a
 workstation, it loads a process into Task Manager.


 "To someone not suspecting this, you wouldn't notice Remote Explorer
 just sitting as a service," said Vincent Gullotto of Network
 Associates. "If you do discover it, you can't close it down."


 The virus had been running for at least a week before detection, the
 company said.


 It was unclear whether the virus was downloaded from the Internet or
 planted on a server internally. Because part of the source code of the
 virus was encrypted, it will be difficult to determine the motivation
 of its author. Files encrypted by the virus were apparently chosen at
 random.


 But a spokesman for Computer Associates said the program was too
 sophisticated to be the work of indiscriminate pranksters.


 "These guys were very smart," Hodges said. The company estimates the
 program took 200 hours to write. "They had a good enough idea of where
 to put it in order to make it spread very quickly."



 The virus compresses the executable files of servers and workstations
 that it encounters, rendering them unusable. It also encrypts .DOC or
 .XLF files.


 The virus compresses the executable files of servers and workstations
 that it encounters, rendering them unusable. It also encrypts .DOC or
 .XLF files with a cipher that researchers still have not identified,
 making it impossible to gain access to those files, Hodges said.


 "Clearly, we don't know who developed this virus," he said. "But it's
 clear as to how it was first planted and how it spreads and that this
 person was very knowledgeable of network administration features and
 planned for this virus to cause serious damage."



 It cannot propagate in a Unix or NetWare-based network.




 The virus itself, which is written in C and also partly encrypted, is
 a savvy piece of programming, Hodges said. It logs itself in through
 domain administrative controls and then copies itself over the
 network, attacking other servers and even workstations that access
 those servers. It can use any link that can identify NT resources. It
 cannot propagate in a Unix or NetWare-based network.


 It is also huge by virus standards at 120KB. Discovered Thursday, it
 was operating on a timing mechanism so that it propagated faster
 between 3 p.m. and 6 a.m. -- hours when network administration
 staffing is typically lower at the infected company. The company
 severed its WAN connections in order to isolate the problem.


 "It's clear that the virus writer has a good Unix and NT background,"
 Hodges said.


 Researchers at Network Associates say they have broken the compression
 algorithm and will post a fixing technique that is specific to Network
 Associates software by early this afternoon. Peter Watkins, general
 manager, Network Security Division, said the virus did not destroy any
 data -- the fix will be able to restore infected, encrypted files.


 A detector for the "smart virus" has already been posted.


 Hodges said the company is working with Microsoft Corp., has also been
 in touch with other anti-virus groups and is developing a formal
 warning. "I don't think it's hyperbole to call this an information
 time bomb," Hodges said.


 MSNBC's Bob Sullivan contributed to this report.


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 any form or medium without express written permission of ZDNet is
 prohibited.

[CTRL] Fwd: The Larry Nichols Expedited Newsletter Issue #16 December 31, 1998

[RoadsEnd]

Drip, drip, drip . . .
Om
K







Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 17:36:16 -0800

From: Alert America [EMAIL PROTECTED]

:
:


Issue #16 December 31, 1998
The Larry Nichols
Expedited Newsletter
Especially Produced for Americans Seeking Knowledge and Truth
www.alertamerica.net
December 30, 1998
First let me say to everyone that I hope you had a Merry Christmas and I send
to everyone the happiest of New Year. Having said that we’ve got to get to
business.
I was going to talk to you about Juanita Broderick, today, the woman , who in
‘79, Bill Clinton attacked, raped and beat up. I was going to talk to you
about
the proof that there was of the doctor and of the nurse who treated her; the
friend who took her to the doctor and to the nurse. I was going to talk also
about Elizabeth Ward Grayson. You know for years I’ve been saying she had an
affair with Bill Clinton. She said she didn’t and of course, at that time,
Harry Thomason, a friend of Bill Clinton’s, made sure she had a job. Then she
came forward and said she did have an affair but that it was consensual.
She has subsequently come out and stated the same information that I had given
to Paula Jone’s attorneys. I had given them Judy Stokes name and she talked
about the first time Liz Ward Grayson (Elizabeth Ward at the time) met with
Bill Clinton. She said that Liz came back from her meeting with her face
flushed, a shocked looked. Judy Stokes asked what happened and Liz said "He
raped me." She was suppose to come onto the show Hard Ball last week. I
understand (I could be wrong about this) her apartment or home was broken
into,
she received threatening phone calls, and she’s now staying with a friend.
That’s the kind of stuff I intended to talk to you about.
I wanted to tell you that I had been in contact with some of the staff people
who are working on the prosecution team (they’re called managers) that will be
handling the prosecution in the impeachment trial. And that if we can just get
one day, maybe two, of a trial, that they were going to bring this stuff out,
and more, to show a pattern of action. Then the whole world would see what
Bill
Clinton is.
Remember the whole world doesn’t know what you know, because they (the Clinton
team) have been so good at blocking the mainstream media from telling the
general public any of this stuff. So this trial would be a perfect occasion
for
this stuff to come out. That was what we were going to talk about.

But as of this writing, we have found that Trent Lott and Tom Daschle have put
together a proposed plan for the trial. The plan would entail this: that
somewhere around January 7th, they would convene, swear in the Senators,
basically as jurists (Judge Rehnquist would do that) and then it is their plan
to have no witnesses. It would be a speedy trial, taking about one week,
simply
rehashing Starr’s Report and the stuff that was brought forth in the hearing
for the House Then everybody would vote. And of course, under this format,
everybody would see what the House Committee saw of the public part and of
course everybody would vote for censure.

That’s not what the Constitution calls for. So here it is, our turn again. And
folks you have to hear me. I don’t know if one person reads this or 2,000
people. But however many people read this update, each and everyone one of you
must promise me that you will do your part. You have to pick up the phone, you
have to call Trent Lott. The phone number is 1- 800-361-5222, ext 90001 which
connects you to the Capitol Switchboard, where you can request to be connected
to the office of any Congressperson. If it’s busy it’s important that you keep
trying!!! (Don’t give up) You have to say to him that if the Republicans
fail to
have a full trial, where everything is dealt with, where everything comes out,
where justice in the constitution is served, if they fail to live up to that ,
this will be the last time the Republicans are ever empowered to do anything.
You know we have to stand by that. You see, we’re the core. We’re the
conservative vote. We’re the base that keep the Republicans in power. And I
know
that they will say that if you vote for a third party then you’re putting
Democrats back in office. And they hold that over our head like a great big
hammer.

Well, let me be very clear. At least with the Democrats, we know where they
stand; we know what they are. They act like and do as they are supposed to do.
The problem is not this. The problem is the Republican Party. They’re the ones
that tell us one thing then turn around and do something else.

So we have to make it very clear to Trent Lott that if he wants to be afraid
of
something, he needs to be more afraid of us in our vote than he is to be
afraid
of what Clinton and Larry Flynt and that crew have on him. He needs to hear
that. And you must call him. You have to call him.

I don’t know if you realize it, but if January 7th is the date they swear in
the Senators and start the trial on the 11th, and if it lasts only one 

Re: [CTRL] Urantia : The Great Cult Mystery

[RoadsEnd]

 -Caveat Lector-

Kinda,
I do not believe in gods, I believe in actions. Actions spawn life and death,
sorrow and joy.  The devil is a lie of men. There is no war of gods. There is
ONE GOD.

There is much in history, unknown and distant in the mists of time. Have you
read Cayce?

Express yourself.

To the Utmost of Futures . . .

MHO

Om
K
-
In a message dated 12/31/98 10:23:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi

I have to agree with you that no..you don't need all of it's "flowery" talk
to
understand cause and affect. But I for one am thrilled to have finally found
the details about God and Jesus and everything else the book covers. I have
wondered about this stuff my whole life. Some of the science it contains is
outdated, but as far as the history..I haven't run across too many errors.
Remember the part about the Fandors? the big birds that flew some of the
primative natives around during the time of adam and eve..well..a few years
ago Dan Rather on the CBS evening news..told america that some scientists had
uncovered the fossils of a bird with a 500 ft. wing span. Supposedly these
fandors were able to "talk"..we have birds that talk today..they are called
parrots.

I am really not trying to shove this down anyone's throat, although it may
seem that way to some. For me this book has been the key to understanding the
motives and strange happenings that are going on within our government and
elsewhere..there is even a bigger picture than what the conspiracies uncover.
After a while..after many readings of the UB..there exists..between the lines
of this fascinating book..little gems that have been a great aid in
desciphering the mysteries that seem to surround us.

I would like to ask you MHO..what you thought of the paper on our fallen
Planetary Prince..Caligastia?..did you believe it? Well..you know I
do..hehe..I have come to the conclusion that it is this same fallen planetary
prince (aka the devil) that is the mastermind behind the NWO. It is
Caligastia's plan to stop evolution and free will choices in it's tracks.
Cal's goal is to become god of Urantia.  And you know what that means..the
celestials will not stand idly by while evolution or free will is tampered
with.

I sound like a nut..i know..oh well..I am having a blast. :)

Kinda



 Kinda, I first ran into the  Urantia Book about thirty years ago. I have a
  copy. I have read through much of it. It was a channled book. If you care
to
  live you life by it , fine. Presonally. I do not believe it to be a
 salvation
  revalation. Ya really do not need all its flowery talk to understand how
one
  actions affect your world.
  And I would question much of the history in the Urantia Book.

  Jesus had the KISS principle down. Treat others as you would treat
yourself
  and love God with all you heart and soul.  Pretty simple and
straightforward.


  MHO

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Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting C...

[Jim Condit Jr.]

 -Caveat Lector-

Dear Jerry,  What you're responding to below was my post which was kindly
re-posted by Lloyd Miller, so . . . Before giving you "an honest liberal"
test, I can't refran from comments about Clinton being talented, for the
masses, etc. etc. etc. These sentiments are so out in fairytale land that I
confine my comments to a few sentences rather than a booklet-length
rebuttal: The Big Media can sink Clinton in a few days anytime they want --
and they would have in Jan 98 if he hadn't agreed to go after Iraq again and
to back off of any demands on Israel. Sure, Clinton WANTS to do the right
thing on occasion, maybe even on a lot of occasions, but he's so
blackmail-able, and so unprincipled when it comes to devotion to ANYTHING
vs. saving his own skin -- that he can always be put back in the tank and
made to be obedient again --- the blackmailable part of him, that's WHY he
was chosen to be president back in 1990 or so when he was attending all
those Bilderberger meetings over in the Netherlands with Dan Quayle et al.
He's talented at smoozing the public, but let's not get carried away. If he
was a bumbler, he would have been deemed "incompetent" to be put in the
presidency.

Mike Kinsley on Crossfire often gives his "honest conservative" test, and
often the recipient fails it because they can't say what major programs they
would cut in order to achieve their stated desire to decrease taxes (Howard
Phillips would never fail such as test.) But here's your honest liberal test
regarding computerized elections: Do you support a return to citizen checks
and balances at the polling places once again as we had in most places
before 1970? or do you support the present system where (excepting 70% of
New Hampshire) it is ILLEGAL for neighborhood citizens to count their own
votes with all factions witnessing, before they are whisked out of the
nieghborhood and run through computers by nameless faceless "experts" who
are unknown to the public and usually unknown to the Party Chairman
"guarenteeing the results? (Note: There's nothing to stop computers from
double checking the neighborhood count -- but that's not what the Ruling
Elite wants, because then it would be impossible to rig elections with the
flick of a switch from a central location.)

What is your answer to that question, Jerry? If you want to go back to
citizen checks and balances, then we have no quarrell, and I for one have NO
fear of the results, even with a biased media pumping out weighted polls. If
the Clintons and Barney Franks are still elected, so be it. But all my
experience, for what it's worth, SHOUTS that liberals and establishment
hacks are infinitely more resistant to restoring checks and balances than
libertarians and conservatives,

And if you are NOT for restoring citizen checks and balances at the
neighborhood precinct, then I think that settles which one of us "distrusts
the people" or "thinks the American people are stupid?"

I am eager to hear your reply, because I have found that Clinton-type
supporters invariably LOVE the current no-checks-and-balances computerized
vote tallying systems. Jim Condit Jr.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Gerald Harp
 Sent: Friday, January 01, 1999 9:30 PM
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 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting
 C...


  -Caveat Lector-

 In a message dated 1/1/99 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A-
 ALBIONIC.COM writes:

 
   And, you are on a conspiracy research list, and you're putting
 out the bunk
   that Clinton is the one responsible for the economy? He's
 giving the
   Alan Greenspan crowd, The Ruling Elite, what they want, and
 Greenspan keeps
   the interest rates down. Also, the economy is only great for
 the Vultures
   on Wall Street, the average working man is groaning under
 unnecessary debt
   artificially created by even the "low" interest rates we have, and the
   ungodly tax burden.

 OK, Lloyd, you don't trust the polls and you don't trust the election.
 Perhaps you would trust the polls and elections only if they came
 out as you
 please.

 Where i find a major disconnect in your opinions that you assume
 Clinton is
 the boy of the ruling elite.  However, the ruling elites must
 constantly check
 him such as paring back the initial request for increasing the
 minimum wage or
 setting up an expensive and extensive propaganda barrage against national
 health insurance.  I fully agree that although GDP keeps climbing and the
 number of millionaires in the nation grows, the average guy is
 not sharing in
 the prosperity of the rich.  I hardly think that the answer is to
 vote against
 the one presidential candidate and party which consistently
 proposes and works
 for a more inclusive society.  I don't buy the quasi-nihilistic notion of
 they're all the same.

 History is clearly on our side.  The march of history has been toward a
 greater sharing 

[CTRL] Polls: Everyone, repeat after me :-) . . .

[Edward Britton]

 -Caveat Lector-

All:

Is it not possible that polls can be used by *any* political faction in
pursuit of their agenda? If we are to look, as we should, at the origin of
such polls (who funds, takes or publishes them), would it not be safe to
conclude that ALL polls are the propaganda trash of their originators?
Would our time not be better spent doing our own thinking?

Everyone, repeat after me :-):

ALL POLLS ARE PROPAGANDA!  THEREFORE, ALL POLLS ARE TRASH! AS TRASH, THEY
ARE COMPLETELY **USELESS** TO ANYONE IN SEARCH OF TRUTH OR FACT!!

Edward   

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Re: [CTRL] hello

[Teo1000]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 1/2/99 5:09:20 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Hi Teo, Hey did I hear you on Art Bell during the 1999 Predictions? 

Not me, but do tell, did you here someone espousing theories or concerns that
mirror some of what I post here on CTRL?
Teo1000

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Re: [CTRL] Scenario plans

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In a message dated 99-11-03 19:20:58 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Gurdjieff may have met Crowley but I really don't think they were
"linked."

The Beast came to see Gurdjieff one day in Paris, hoping to impress him, but
Gurdjieff was moved only to contempt.  After having offered his visitor the
customary hospitality, G sent Crowley away, growling "You go now, never come
back!  You very BAD man!" (Incident recounted in James Webb's "The Harmonious
Circle," a detailed biography.) Gurdjieff would have considered Crowley a
"hasnamuss," a "fallen spirit," i.e., EVIL.

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Re: [CTRL] Reptiles Rule the World Theory of David Icke

[Nicky Molloy]

HiEaglethatmaybelogicalbutwhydoestheAmericanGovtstipulatethatAsiannations
taketheUStobaccoexportsinexchangeforaid?Tobaccoguaranteedtokill.Maybethe
monosodiumglutamateisworryingthereptoidsandtheyareafraidofgettingcancerfrom
eatingtheAsians.PlusIhaveheardtheAsianssmokealottoo.I'dsayprobablythereps
don'twanttogetanynicotineintheirsystembecausetheywillbedyingforacigallthetime
andtheirteethjustkeepchoppingtheminhalf.They'llhavetogoandgetsomeofthose
Hollywoodnasherssotheircigsstayputiftheyarereducedtodiningon20adaypeople.
Thenagaindonicotinepatchescomeinreptoidgreen?hehehe..Iwonderhowlongthose
repsandgreysliveto.IhaveheardsomeoftheETsliveto800years.Wemaybestuckwith
themforawhileiftheyaren'tagingrapidly.Iexpectastheydoapparentlyhavethe
technologytoextractthesoulandthentransferittoanotherbodythey'dbedoingthemselves.
Butaren'ttheyhoppingintothehumanrace?Ihaveheardthis.Itisalsodescribedinthelast
chaptersofthepostProjectSupermanIsentroundafewdaysago.



Nicky





ifIckeiscorrectinmaintainingthatreptoidshavebeenrunning

humanpoliticseversincethedaysofBabylonandpreyingonhumans,etc.,

thenwe'dexpecttofindafairlylargebodyoffolklore,amongtheAryan

peoplesespecially(blue-eyedAryansaresupposedlytheirfavoritefood),

thatwouldpointtowardthatreality.Theexistenceofasinisterreptoidal

people-eatingelite...

<<<



Perhapsnowweknowwhythepushtoquitsmokingissoprevailant.Thereptoidsdon'tlike
toeatpeoplewhoaresmokers???

Foodforthought.LOL

WelcomingtheNWO...let'sgetitoverwith.



eagle1

[CTRL] A-albionic Research Weekly Up-date--Jesuit Georgetown vs Masons (fwd)

[lloyd]

 -Caveat Lector-

..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dec 17 20:53:19 1994
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 20:50:49 -0500 (EST)
From: James Daugherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Weekly Up-date [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: A-albionic Research Weekly Up-date--Jesuit Georgetown vs Masons (fwd)

A-albionic Research Weekly Up-date of 12-17-94

*CONTENTS**


Subject:  Official Georgetown Publication Documents A-albionic Theory?

Subject:  Vatican Down and Out After Gulf War?

3.  Catalog of Books Exposing the Vatican's "Old World Order"


***


Official Georgetown Publication Documents A-albionic Theory?

Telling excerpt from:  Georgetown's School of Foreign Service:
   The First 75 Years--The Edmund A. Walsh
   School of Foreign Service  (pp. 17-19)
   Copyrighted 1994, Edmund A. Walsh School
   of Foreign Service


A Catholic Institution

Georgetown's success was not universally welcomed in the aca-
demic community or, presumably, in the rarefied atmosphere
of the old State Department. As the School's graduates began
to achieve positions of responsibility in diplomacy and other
fields. concern arose in certain quarters-specifically among the
Scottish Rite Masons-that the ranks of American diplomacy
and of American companies engaged in foreign business might
come to be populated "with well-trained men brought up in .
belief in the Papacy and all that that implies." An article in;
Masonic Journal called The Crescent, published in October 1928
conceded that Georgetown's School of Foreign Service was
"ably managed, finely staffed and magnificently equipped,"
that its faculty consisted of "sixty teachers of the highest quali-
fications, picked for their learning and their ability to teach,"
as a result of which "there is no better school of its kind." The
article conceded further that "While it is part of a Catholic uni-
versity, religion as such is not taught as part of its courses, and
its students are not limited to those of the Catholic faith." These
attributes, as seen in the article, made the menace all the greater,
raising the specter "that our diplomatic, consular and trade com-
missioner positions become, in time, very heavily Catholic." (18)

  To help remedy this perceived threat, the Scottish Rite lodges
had concluded an agreement with President Cloyd Heck
Marvin of the George Washington University providing an
endowment of $1 million for the establishment in 1928 of a
new, "non-sectarian" School of Government at George Wash-
ington University. A condition was attached that if the univer-
sity should "cease to be a non-sectarian institution," the gift
would revert. The new program evolved into the present-day
Elliott School of International Affairs of The George Washing-
ton University. (l9)

  Periodic whispering campaigns over the decades that fol-
lowed spread the warning that the School of Foreign Service at
Georgetown was a subversive instrument of the Vatican. Fa-
ther Frank Fadner, who was regent of the School from 1955
until 1960, greeted the charge with the mordant observation,
"I didn't realize the Vatican had a foreign policy," adding,  "We
have no Catholic axe to grind here at Georgetown. Our job is to
produce well-rounded, intelligent representatives of a Chris-
tian, professional education." (20)

  From its beginnings the School of Foreign Service has been
hospitable to students, faculty and administrators of all faiths
As of the fall of 1940, for example, the School's records showed
a student body of 372 Catholics, 213 Protestants, 19 Jews and 2
undesignated, and a faculty made up of 23 Catholics, 24 Prot-
estants and one Jew. The student and faculty populations have
been steadily, and increasingly, ecumenical over the years but
the Jesuit tradition has remained strong. Its effect has been to
hold before the curriculum and the academic environment an
appreciation of and sensitivity to values-Christian values in
the inclusive, ecumenical sense in which Christian values in-
clude the universal principles of all faiths. In the words of the
present-day director of the undergraduate program, Associate
Dean Putnam Ebinger (herself a non-Catholic), "We want our
students to think about how things should be, right and wrong.
We would also like to think that part of what they are seeking
is a better world, and I think that such questions are asked
throughout the curriculum." (21)

  For such relevance as it may have, it may be noted that the
first Catholic president of the United States was a products of
Harvard University and the first president to come from
Georgetown--a graduate of the School of Foreign Service--is
a Baptist, the 

[CTRL] World Banker Chastises US Congress

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 So, who IS this guy Wolfensohn, and why does he dare to "lecture"
America?
 He's the permanent "American/International" representative to the
Bilderbergers (one of whose avowed goals is "American and British solidarity
in economic matters") and one of the 39 members of the Bilderberg Group's
"inner circle," which includes David Rockefeller, Britain's Lord Roll (S. G.
Warburg bank), Henry Kissinger, and George Ball and William Bundy, American
Anglophiles from New England's "old money" elite.
 Alongside Rockefeller, Kissinger, Lloyd Bentsen (remember BCCI?), and
George Soros (front man for the Rothschilds), Wolfensohn was one of the
heavyweights at the Bilderberg conference of 1996.
(http://www7.tripnet.se/~esa/home/eng/bblist.html)
 As president of the World Bank, he has worked tirelessly to entice Red
China into the "global economy," so that western investors (especially in the
Bilderberg circle) can reap undreamed-of profits from eventually bringing the
sole surviving Communist giant  --with its huge slave labor pool-- under the
control of these international bankers.
 And you wonder why Bill Clinton has practically sold his soul to woo Red
China?
 When Wolfensohn speaks, Clinton listens; when the Bilderbergers
command--


World Bank Head Criticizes Congress

WASHINGTON (AP) - World Bank President James Wolfensohn denounced Congress
Tuesday for slashing spending on foreign operations, calling the move a
``disgrace'' that could endanger lending to many poor nations.

Wolfensohn said Congress has cut the proposed U.S. contribution to the World
Bank's low interest lending program to $620 million from the $800 million
originally requested by the Clinton administration.

``It would be just devastating - devastating to American leadership and
devastating to people in development,'' if the full amount is not provided,
Wolfensohn told reporters after a speech to the Center for Strategic and
International Studies.

Wolfensohn joined Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Treasury
Secretary Lawrence Summers, who recently protested Congress' action on
foreign operations spending. But it was unusual for the head of an
international organization to criticize the legislature of a member nation.
Wolfensohn is an Australian-born American.

The World Bank has budgeted $6 billion a year over the next three years to be
provided to the International Development Association, the bank's window for
developing countries to receive loans at advantageous terms.

However, Wolfensohn said the Congress' decision to cut the U.S contribution
to IDA may encourage other donor nations to reduce their contributions,
endangering the entire program.

``The U.S. spends less than one-tenth of one percent of our gross domestic
product on foreign assistance, and in the current state of legislation that
is proposed in the House, the minimum amount - $800 million - that had been
promised for IDA is on the books now as $620 million,'' the World Bank chief
said in his speech.

``It is a disgrace,'' he said.

Last month Congress cut the Clinton administration's foreign operations
spending request, which includes the World Bank allocation, to $12.7 billion,
and President Clinton vetoed the bill. The administration now must negotiate
with Congress on the spending request.

Wolfensohn said that the current push to bring meaningful debt relief to poor
countries must be linked with continuing development lending to be effective.

He said U.S. congressional resistance to providing the funds to support such
efforts seems based on the misunderstanding - as reflected in some surveys -
that the United States already allocates 10 percent to 15 percent of gross
domestic product to foreign assistance programs, when the figure is actually
below 0.1 percent.

As a share of GDP, Sweden and Denmark provide 10 times as much foreign aid as
the United States, the World Bank president added.


HEADLINE: World Bank may back China loan despite US vote.


Blair to hold talks with World Bank chief

LONDON, Oct 26 (Reuters) - Prime Minister Tony Blair is due to hold talks
with World Bank President James Wolfensohn later on Tuesday, the premier's
spokesman said.

Blair is expected to discuss World Bank priorities and objectives for the
next five years, the premier's spokesman said.

The two will also discuss discuss China, Pakistan, and Nigeria, as well as
heavily indebted poor countries.

No further details were available. A statement is not expected after the
meeting.



World Bank to Lend Mexico $1.1 Bln to Shore Up Finance Industry

Mexico City, Oct. 26 (Bloomberg) -- The World Bank said it is close to
signing and beginning to disburse $1.1 billion in loans to Mexico to help it
shore its financial industry and boost the efforts to promote state economic
activity.

The funds, which are part of the $5.2 billion in loans the World Bank has
agreed to grant Mexico in the next two years, are intended to help Mexico
improve its 

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Nurev Ind Research]

 -Caveat Lector-

Eagle 1 wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes::  God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.
   Satan is a lie. 

 Satan is a lie?  Then please explain why is he mentioned so much in the
 Bible?  From the Garden of Eden as that old Serpent (Genesis ch 3), the
 subtile beast of the field, who goes to and fro throughout the earth (Job
 1:6  ch 2); comes as the Beast and the Dragon (Revelation 12:9  ch 13);
 then on to the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:14),  and is  many times in
 between...
 ???
 If Satan is a lie,  then the whole Bible must be a lie,  ...


There you go. Now you've got it. Congratulations. It took you a while but
you've finally seen the light.

 The truth shall set you free."

Joshua2

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[CTRL] (1) NWO - World Bank, IMF

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 "By tradition, the president of the World Bank is
required to be a citizen of the United States, while the
managing director of the International Monetary Fund (IMF),
the Bank's SISTER organization, must be European."


Who is James Wolfensohn?

 World Bank president James Wolfensohn is a man of charm,
talent and managerial skill.  When he speaks in public, he
conveys an impression of sincerity and commitment.  He has
convinced many people that the World Bank under his leadership
will finally tackle poverty and environmental degradation and
work for a better world.
 The test of his sincerity lies in the actual performance of
the Bank.  Since he has now been at the helm for quite some time,
there is a substantial record to examine.  In fact, the Bank
continues to lend large sums for OIL exploration, road building,
big dams and the like.  So it remains environmentally unfriendly
and it is hard not to conclude that its President's environmental
commitment is largely rhetorical.  The Bank also has recently
promoted harsh "structural adjustment programs," pension
privatization measures and other attacks on the poor.  By all
measures, income inequality worldwide continues to widen.  So it
would appear that Mr. Wolfensohn's "commitment" to reduce poverty
is not very deep either.
 In March 1997, The Nation magazine published an article that
reported that the Bank's lavish remodeling --at a cost of $314
million-- includes gold leaf ceilings and rare woods of the sort
that are to be found only in the most elegant business offices.
Though this work began before Wolfensohn took over the helm of
the Bank, he does not appear to have introduced more modest plans
in the meantime, even while wringing millions in interest charges
from the world's poorest countries.
 To understand Wolfensohn, it helps to know something about
him besides his engaging smile, his shock of unruly white hair,
and his carefully-cultivated image as a committed social
reformer.
 In fact, he is better understood as one of the world's
richest men and sharpest financial operatives.  About his
personal fortune, the New York Times of September 14, 1997 said:
"He enjoys the trapping of great wealth, like a private jet and a
lavish vacation home in Jackson Hole, Wyoming."
 Wolfensohn was born in Sydney, Australia.  In 1959, he took
an MBA degree from Harvard Business School.  He then he rose very
rapidly in the financial world and developed a reputation as
smart and ruthless.  He held high posts in brokerage and
investment firms in Australia from 1959 to 1967, when he moved to
London as a top officer of the Henry Schroder investment banking
group.  Concern for the poor does not seem to have been on his
list in those years.
 In 1970 he became head of Schroder's operation in New York,
a post he held through 1976.  He then became an executive partner
in Salomon Brothers, the hard-charging bond and investment house.
At Salomon he played a key role in the bailout of the Chrysler
Corporation by the United States government. His Chrysler play
brought him into the world of official policy in Washington,
where he caught the eye of World Bank President Robert McNamara.
Rumored to be on the short list as McNamara's successor,
Wolfensohn speedily arranged to become a U.S. citizen so as best
to qualify for the post.  When the Bank passed him up, he left
Salomon in 1981 to set up his own firm, James D. Wolfensohn Inc.
The new firm was a key player in the hot mergers and
acquisitions game on Wall Street during the 1980's (the firm has
since been bought by Banker's Trust).  Wolfensohn built up his
own portfolio along the way and by the end of the decade, he was
a millionaire many times over and a close compatriot of the
Rockefeller clan.
 To his credit, Wolfensohn is more than just a money shark.
He plays the violin and is a cultured person who appreciates the
arts.  He has served on the board of directors of a number of
public charities, like the Kennedy Center for the Performing Arts
and the Rockefeller Foundation.  He has also sat on the board of
a number of private corporations, like communications giant CBS.

 And he belongs to the ultimate insider institutions like the
Bilderberg Group and the Council on Foreign Relations.

 Let us not judge Wolfensohn unfairly, but let us not close
our eyes to who he is and how his career and his millions have
shaped him.  If he is a Wolf in sheep's clothing, would that
really be so surprising, for a President of the World Bank?

___


1995: James Wolfensohn Selected President of World Bank

by Henry Bofinger

 The World Bank's Board of Executive Directors unanimously
selected James Wolfensohn on March 16 to become the institution's
ninth President. Wolfensohn will assume the presidency June 1,
succeeding Lewis Preston who is retiring because of ill health.
 Wolfensohn, 61, is an international investment banker 

[CTRL] (2) NWO - World Bank, IMF

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Wolfensohn in sheep's clothing

by Paul Swann / London Human Rights Forum

 The recent speech on "The Other Crisis" by James Wolfensohn,
President of the World Bank, is reminiscent of a wolf dressed up
in sheep's clothing trying to talk his dinner into climbing into
the pot.
 The global elite are evidently learning to speak the right
language, and Wolfensohn's fine words could hardly have been more
skillfully designed to lull the unsuspecting flock into trusting
their dubious intentions.
 Consider them carefully.

A debt-based monetary system enslaves

 Wolfensohn's call for a "new approach to development
partnership led by governments and parliaments of the countries,
influenced by the civil society of those countries" amounts to no
more than cosmetic adjustment of a system that is fundamentally
flawed. As long as the people and nations of the world are
subjected to a debt-based monetary system, we will remain
enslaved to the power elite who control the system.
 We, civil society, must cry "Wolf" and demand AUTHENTIC
monetary reform and a GENUINELY new global financial architecture
that eradicates the parasitic elite and their corrupt
institutions. The bankers, corporations and toady politicians
must be set to work IN SERVICE TO the people and the planet,
before it's too late.
 In one respect Wolfensohn is certainly right: "in a global
economy, it is the totality of change in a country that matters".

The global casino

 It is time to re-think the basic assumptions on which our
societies are based. Corporate globalization and neoliberal
"free" market capitalism are not working for the benefit of all
people, but only for a few. The deregulated financial market ~
the global casino ~ is not working for the benefit of all people,
but only for a few. The debt-based monetary system is not working
for the benefit of all people, but only for a few. The mantra
of economic-growth-at-all-costs is not working for the benefit of
all people, but only for a few. Neither are our so-called
"democratic" political systems working for the benefit of all
people, but only for a few.
 Yes, a systemic "totality of change" is called for in our
nations, but not of the kind that Wolfensohn envisages. Beyond
the rhetoric and hubris, his solutions are no more than a set of
re-vamped rules for more of the same old game -- lining the
pockets of the elite at everyone else's expense.

 Wolfensohn is again right in saying:
 "What we can do here and now is this: We can identify what
needs to be done. We can recognize the problems. We can clarify
our objectives.  We can work to reach consensus. The problems are
too big, their consequences too important, to be guided by the
pat answers of the past, or the fads or ideologies of the day. We
must make a collective commitment to join together to build
something better."

The benefit of the few

 Indeed we must. But are Wolfensohn and his ilk genuinely
prepared to put "the benefit of all people" at the head of the
agenda instead of the benefit of the few?  Are they prepared to
make respect for the Earth a priority of our national and global
economic policies? Not on the evidence of the program set out in
this speech.

The self-styled "experts" are blind

 Clearly there are no easy answers to the complex mess that
we've got ourselves into. With a few notable exceptions,
economists and other self-styled "experts" are blind to the root
causes of the looming global financial crisis. As Wolfensohn
says, "we have focused too much on the economics, without a
sufficient understanding of the social, the political, the
environmental, and the cultural aspects of society."
 To that list of missing considerations may be added the
psychological, the spiritual, and the moral aspects of living in
a truly civilized society.

The tired old men in gray suits

 Yes -- a "holistic framework" for a new financial
architecture is needed.  And those best qualified to supply such
a framework are those who have educated THEMSELVES to think
holistically ~ ordinary people for the most part, men and women
who have learnt to combine their intuitive sense with a
penetrating analysis of what's wrong with the world. These are
the people who should be designing the new economic and political
systems, not the tired old men in gray suits who have failed us
so badly for so long.
 Genuine repentance among the ranks of the de facto
leadership of our global economy is to be welcomed. But fine
words are cheap and the sincerity and intent of Wolfensohn's
declaration must be demonstrated in practical action.
 The first step is to acknowledge that USURY, the creation of
money out of debt, and the mindset of continual growth are the
root causes of the global economic crisis.
 Nothing less will suffice.




The World Bank -- PLUNDER WITH A HUMAN FACE

by Asad Ismi
Z magazine, February 1998

 Lately the World Bank has 

[CTRL] The New Yuppie Bilderbergers

[Das GOAT]

 -Caveat Lector-

 Doing what the Rhodes Scholarship does for the CFR,
this is one of Lord Carrington's Bilderberger "front groups,"
recruiting Anglophiles from a younger "high tech" crowd.
 Sponsor corporations today include Apple Computer,
Texas Instruments, Honeywell, MONSANTO ...
 [More on Lord Carrington --associate of World Bank
president and fellow Bilderberger Wolfensohn-- later ...]


 THE BRITISH-AMERICAN PROJECT
  http://www.bilderberg.org/bap.htm

 (There is little information available about this elitist
group. It seems to be "self selecting" group who pretend to
'define' the transatlantic relationship. No mention here of
building links between native americans and marginalised groups
in the UK.  The agenda is corporate, the ideology is capitalist,
hardly a fair reflection of the best in future transatlantic
potential.)

In their own words: What is the British-American Project?

"The British-American Project exists to reinforce the
long-standing special ties between the United States and Britain
by bringing together young people from the two countries who have
achieved distinction in their chosen fields.  The Project's
primary activity is an annual intensive four-day conference,
which brings together 24 exceptional people from each side of the
Atlantic to tackle a specific issue of importance to both
countries.
 "Delegates are chosen for proven leadership in their field,
and are drawn from a wide range of backgrounds and views; they
include senior representatives from business, government, the
media, voluntary /non-profit organizations, law, medicine, and
the armed forces.
 "Since its first conference in 1985, the British-American
Project has built an influential Fellowship of more than 600
members, many of whom return to the annual conference in
subsequent years. The success of the Project is remarkable, and
its impact on those who attend lasting."

 "You discuss ideas, you face challenges, you have your
prejudices questioned, you make friends, you learn a lot and you
have fun. It's an incredibly worthwhile venture."
 --The Rt. Hon. Chris Smith, MP, Secretary of State for
Culture, Media  Sport, UK Fellow

 While the Fellows return at their own expense, the Project
funds the attendance of participants in their first year to
ensure the broadest possible gathering of talent. In addition,
the Project produces newsletters and reports on conference
deliberations to promote deeper trans-Atlantic ties.
 The Project is run by its Fellowship whose elected officers
and its Advisory Board, led by the Rt. Hon LORD CARRINGTON
[[Rothschild descendant, leader of the Bilderberg Group and
Council on Foreign Relations, and former NATO President]] manage
its development.
 Their challenge is to ensure the long-term financial
viability of the Project so that its valuable and distinctive
contribution to Anglo-American relations can continue.


British-American Project Conference Themes and Sites

1st Common Bonds and Common Burdens Middle Aston, Oxfordshire,
1985
2nd Common Bonds and Common Challenges Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania, 1986
3rd The Pace of Change Turnberry, Scotland, 1987
4th Present Alliance, Future Challenges St. Louis, Missouri, 1988
5th The Management of Change Buxted Park, East Sussex, 1989
6th The Management of Diversity Airlie, Virginia, 1990
7th The Process of Change Buxted Park, East Sussex, 1991
8th Effecting Change Through Individual Responsibility Atlanta,
Georgia,1992
9th The Management of Conflict Newcastle, Northern Ireland, 1993
10th Beyond Conflict - Shaping the Pluralistic Community Oakland,
California, 1994
11th The Renewal of Civil Society , Old Windsor, 1995
12th Science and Society -Separation or Synergy Dallas, Texas,
1996
13th The Politics of Identity Peebles, Scotland, 1997
14th Are you Global? New Orleans, Louisiana, 1998
15th (an arts theme, being developed) Harrogate, York, UK, 1999
16th (tbd) New York, NY, 2000


What Fellows say about the British-American Project

 'One of the most intellectually stimulating experiences of
my life.'
 --Robert Hoffman, President, The Coca-Cola Bottling Group
(SW) Inc.

 'The small-group, public policy discussions I had with
Fellows made the British-American Project conference the most
intellectually engaging and stimulating I've ever attended. '
 --Tom Proulx, author of Quicken software and co-founder of
Intuit Inc.

 'The lasting relationships that are built up are the only
way to underpin an enduring Special Relationship. Takes the
working out of networking.'
 --Jonathan Powell Chief of Staff to the Prime Minister, The
Rt. Hon. Tony Blair, MP.

 'A unique and extraordinary opportunity to build personal
relationships with our British friends that can endure a
lifetime. '
 --Robert Mosbacher, Jr., President, Mosbacher Energy Company

 'The British-American Project provides an invaluable
understanding of the way our two systems of government and

[CTRL] Fwd: PLA Air Force Gets The 'Right Stuff'

[Kris Millegan]

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_smith/19991102_xcsof_flying_brc.shtml

For fifty years Edwards Air Force Base in California has been
the premier aircraft test facility in the world.  The former
Muroc Army Airfield was renamed in 1949 to honor Capt. Glen
Edwards who was killed while testing the Northrop YB-49 flying
wing.

Since 1949, Edwards has seen the best pilots and planes pushing
the limits of manned flight to the very edge.  Edwards has
tested every modern aircraft in the U.S. aerospace inventory
from the X-1 to the Space Shuttle.  Pilots who made history at
Edwards include moon-walker Neal Armstrong, and Chuck Yeager,
who broke the sound barrier.

On 18 May, 1999, Sr. Col. Li Zhongli, Sr. Col. Wang Changzheng,
and Maj. Wang Shouxing made history at Edwards Air Force Base.

How did the Chinese military get inside Edwards AFB?  At the
height of the U.S. war in Kosovo, two Chinese Army Air Force
officers, and a Chinese Navy Aviation officer, toured America.
The Chinese officers gained entry to Tinker Air Force Base in
Oklahoma, the civil air facilities at Denver Colorado and a
guided tour of Edwards AFB on a trip sponsored by MITRE Corp.,
Raytheon and Lockheed Martin.

According to Clinton administration documents, on May 14, 1999,
USAF Lt. Col. Jim Robilotta accompanied the Chinese officers to
Tinker AFB, arriving for lunch with USAF Lt. Col. "(Dorilynn)"
Gimondo in the "Daedalian" room.  After lunch, the PLAAF and PLN
were given a briefing from "Capt. (Tom) Schmidt, Commander,
Airfield Operations, 72 Operational Support Squadron."

Capt. Schmidt told the PLAAF how the U.S. Air Force deals with
"integration" of "Civil  Military Airspace."  After Capt.
Schmidt's briefing, "CMS Sgt (Len) Dorton" then briefed the
Chinese delegation on "DOD Testing  Development of Software
System for Integration  Interoperability."

The Chinese officers then toured the Tinker AFB control tower,
and finished with a fifteen minute rest at the "Tinker AFB
Officer's Club (Via Mil Bus)" escorted by Ms "(Nancy)" Lemieux.
The Chinese officers then left Tinker to arrive in Denver
Colorado.  Curiously, this time the PLAAF officers did not tour
a military facility.

On 15 May 1999, United Airlines sponsored the PLAAF on "tours of
United Airlines operations control system, airport, tower, and
baggage system" at the new Denver airport.  The United Airline
documents were obtained from the Clinton administration along
with the U.S. Air Force documents on the PLAAF visits to Tinker
AFB and Edwards AFB.

According a May 1999 United Airlines "Fact Sheet", the Chinese
military delegation was pushed to remove "constraints" that were
"hampering airline operations in PRC airspace."

The United Airlines document states, "United Airlines flights
generate millions of dollars for PRC in air navigation fees paid
for the provision of air traffic control services.  For example,
in 1998, United paid the PRC over three million dollars."

"Because of difficulties complying with PRC procedures and
constraints," states the United Airlines document.  "United is
unable to operate efficiently between Chicago and Hong Kong.
This could force United to terminate this flight.  The
termination of this route will, in turn, mean the loss of one
million dollars per year in potential navigation fees for the
PRC."

Both United Airlines and the Chinese Air Force were concerned
about profits obtained from control of PRC airspace.  Profits
from United Airlines commercial "navigation fees" are funneled
directly into the Chinese military, paying for air defense
radars, training, missiles and new jet fighters.

U.S. Defense officials openly warned the Clinton administration
that the Chinese Air Force is also a business.  In 1994, the
U.S. Army Defense Attache to Beijing, Lt. Col. Dennis Blasko
wrote, "the major enterprise subordinate to the PLA Air Force is
the China Lantian (Blue Sky) Industrial Corp.  Also affiliated
to Lantian is the Tian Ma (Sky Horse) Brand of vehicles and
vehicle repair parts and facilities.  China United Airlines
(CUA) is a commercial entity of the PLA Air Force."

Of course, the Clinton excuse here is that this is all civilian
and commercial.  Yet, the PLAAF also operated illegally through
its "Civil Aviation Administration of China" (CAAC) for
intelligence and military operations.

According to the 1999 Cox report on the China scandal, "The PRC
has used at least one commercial air carrier to assist in its
technology transfer efforts.  In 1996, Hong Kong Customs
officials intercepted air-to-air missile parts being shipped by
CATIC aboard a commercial air carrier, Dragonair.  Dragonair is
owned by China International Trade and Investment Company
(CITIC), the most powerful and visible PRC-controlled
conglomerate, and the Civil Aviation Administration of China."

Only a few months later, on 18 May 1999, Clinton officials gave
the Chinese military and Mr. Mao, "Deputy Director General
CAAC", a guided tour of the Edwards AFB U.S.  The tour 

Re: [CTRL] Concerning Satan

[sno0wl]

 -Caveat Lector-

On 4 Nov 99, at 0:29, Eagle 1 wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 Kris Millegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 writes::  God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.
   Satan is a lie. 
Snip***
 "For as much then as the children are partakers of the flesh and blood, He
 also himself likewise took part of the same;  that through death He might
 destroy him that had the power of death,  that is the devil [Satan]".
 Hebrews 2:14

 Again,  you are welcome to believe what you will,  but when there is
 substantial evidence to prove this personnage's emminence and presence,  I
 really do not understand how you can say *he is a lie*,  when truly,  truly
 as Christ has said,
 Satan is the liar,  and the father of all lies...   John 8:44.
 Makes no sense to say he is a lie,  when he is the liar of liars.

Since, in our present system here on Earth, you cannot have light
without darkness and most things exist on a spectrum that can be
called a polar duality, I suppose you might have to come up with a
name for that which does not support the Light end of the spectrum.
However the Dark End is not always evil. If you must call the Dark
End "Satan," well, that's your problem.

It would seem that our task as evolving human beings is to resolve
dualities and to rise above them. As Gurdjieff once said, there is
the Holy Affirming, the Holy Denying, and the Holy Reconciling.
Whenever you think there are only two answers, yes or no, you
have to look again. You've forgotten something.

Curiously, the ancients who mapped our skies and plotted out the
planets and constellatioins considered that the new day began
when the sun went down. (Which explains why Jewish holidays
and Sabbaths always begin at sundown.) After all, when the sun is
risen, the larger universe is completely hidden from the human eye.


sno0wl

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[CTRL] New Waco Movie Review/Dallas Morning News

[Gavin Phillips]

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Film sequel continues charge of Waco cover-up
11/04/99
 A HREF="http://www.dallasnews.com/specials/waco/1104waco1waco.htm"Film
sequel continues charge of Waco cover-up/A
By David Jackson and Lee Hancock / The Dallas Morning News

WASHINGTON - Your typical movie premiere doesn't include allegations of
homicide by the federal government.

But that was the theme of Waco: A New Revelation, unveiled Wednesday to
reporters and researchers of the 1993 siege that ended in the fiery deaths of
more than 80 Branch Davidians.

Over a soundtrack of ominous synthesizer music, the two-hour film claims that
federal agents - possibly members of the super-secret Delta Force - gunned
down Branch Davidians during the fatal fire near Waco.

It also blamed the FBI for the fire, alleging a conspiracy and cover-up that
reaches all the way to President Clinton and first lady Hillary Rodham
Clinton.

Federal law enforcement officials dismissed the film as conspiracy mongering.

They cited evidence that the Branch Davidians set a suicide blaze and that no
FBI agents fired any shots during the final tear gas assault of April 19,
1993.

"We're not aware of anything that would change what we've said all along,"
FBI spokesman Tron Brekke said.

A spate of previous investigations also found no evidence of undue White
House influence.

Still, some of filmmaker Michael McNulty's findings have generated new
congressional investigations as well as a special investigation by former
Sen. John Danforth, R-Mo., who did not attend the premiere.

While Mr. Danforth and congressional investigators declined to comment, the
Union Station premiere just blocks from Capitol Hill attracted a few members
of Congress.

"I don't visualize it as propaganda," said Rep. Cliff Stearns, R-Fla. "I
visualize it as an attempt to bring questions to the American people."

The film is a sequel to an effort called The Rules of Engagement. Despite an
Oscar nomination for best documentary and an Emmy for investigative
reporting, the movie drew fire for factual inaccuracies and garnered little
attention in Congress.

No formal release date has been set for the new movie, but it is expected to
be widely available by the end of the year.

The movie, using clips from FBI news conferences in 1993 and congressional
hearings in 1995, outlines what some Texas Rangers and law enforcement
officials call fault lines in the conduct of federal agencies.

They include:

* Six years of denials by Justice Department and FBI officials that flammable
tear gas was used during the final day. They reversed themselves only after
Mr. McNulty gained entry to the evidence locker, finding a shell casing from
a pyrotechnic tear gas grenade.

FBI officials said that, hours before the fire broke out, they used only two
of the military-style rounds in a failed effort to penetrate a concrete
bunker near the residential compound.

* The inconsistent approaches of FBI negotiators and tactical personnel.

Within minutes after negotiators promised not to cut off power to the
compound as a reward for progress in their negotiations, FBI tacticians cut
the electricity for good.

The film also emphasizes videotapes shot from airplanes above the compound on
the final day. They show flashes that some analysts call evidence of gunfire.

The FBI says they are reflected sunlight and noted that the infrared tape
does not reflect human beings behind the flashes.

Gunfire allegations

In discussing the gunfire allegations, the film features interviews with a
former CIA employee and a former special forces sergeant. The former CIA
employee, Gene Cullen, had told The Dallas Morning News several months ago
that he was in a March 1993 CIA meeting in which officials discussed the
deployment of more than 10 Delta Force soldiers to Waco.

He leveled far more serious charges in the film, claiming that he was a CIA
case officer and learned on an overseas mission that Delta soldiers had
exchanged gunfire with the Branch Davidians.

A government official familiar with Mr. Cullen, however, said he never worked
as a case officer but was employed by the agency's protective security arm.
The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, also said there are no
records of any March 1993 meeting at the CIA as described by Mr. Cullen.

"I would take everything he says with a large grain of salt," the official
said.

Other aspects of the Branch Davidian investigation are left out of Waco: A
New Revelation.

It makes little mention of the group's efforts to amass a huge arsenal of
guns, explosives and ammunition. That was the reason for the initial raid by
the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms on Feb. 28, 1993.

The film also does little more than hint at the group's unorthodox religious
practices. They included the dissolution of all marriages and the assignment
of all women in the compound to leader David Koresh.

Surviving Branch Davidians acknowledge that Mr. Koresh took girls as young as
12 as his "wives" 

[CTRL] OT: NYC Must Fund Sensation, Exhibit w/Virgin Mary Adorned in Dung (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

 -Caveat Lector-

NYC Ordered To Restore Art Funding

By TOM HAYS Associated Press Writer

NEW YORK (AP) -- A federal judge ordered the city today to
restore millions of dollars to the Brooklyn Museum of Art that
was cut off in a dispute over a controversial art exhibit.

U.S. District Judge Nina Gershon, in a 40-page opinion filed this
morning in Brooklyn federal court, granted the museum's request
for a preliminary injunction against the city. She concluded that
the museum ``has established irreparable harm and a likelihood of
success on its First Amendment claim.''

Gershon's order bars Mayor Rudolph Giuliani and city officials
from ``taking steps to inflict any punishment, retaliation,
discrimination or sanction'' against the museum for the exhibit
that opened last month, called ``Sensation.''

City officials said they would appeal.

``The judge is totally out of control,'' Giuliani said during an
upstate New York outing. He accused Gershon of ``abandoning all
reason under the guise of the First Amendment.''

An attorney for the museum, Floyd Abrams, called Gershon's
decision ``a victory not only for the Brooklyn Museum but for the
First Amendment rights for all of us.''

The museum sued the city last month, claiming its First Amendment
rights had been violated by Giuliani's decision to freeze a $7.2
million subsidy -- about a third of its annual budget. It sought
the injunction to restore funds until the legal dispute could be
settled.

The art war broke out at a Sept. 22 news conference, when the
mayor called the exhibit of works by young British artists --
which features a portrait of the Virgin Mary adorned with
elephant dung -- ``sick,'' sacrilegious and unworthy of taxpayer
support.

After the museum refused to cancel the show, the city withheld a
$497,554 payment for October, then sued in state court to evict
the museum from a city-owned site it has leased for more than 100
years.

At a hearing before Gershon, Abrams accused the city of trying to
punish free speech and called the city's behavior ``a First
Amendment catastrophe.''

City attorneys countered that the Constitution has nothing to do
with it. They argued the museum broke its contract with the city,
thereby creating grounds for eviction. Its lease requires the
museum -- which contains the second largest art collection in the
country -- to educate schoolchildren and the general public.

Museum supporters have accused Giuliani -- the likely Republican
nominee for U.S. Senate next year -- of pandering to conservative
voters. City officials allege the museum board of directors,
British collector Charles Saatchi and sponsor, Christie's auction
house, of trying to cash in on work by modern artists whose sole
aim is to shock.

Aside from the portrait of the Virgin Mary decorated with
elephant dung, the show includes mannequins with genitals as
facial features, a glass tank featuring a fake cow's head and
20,000 live maggots and farm animals bisected and displayed in
formaldehyde.

The exhibit has drawn large crowds.

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[CTRL] On Kosovo: What Genocide? (fwd)

[MICHAEL SPITZER]

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What Genocide?

By Chuck Baldwin

November 3, 1999



The justification used for NATO’s illegal war against Yugoslavia
was that the Serbs were committing genocide against ethnic
Albanians in Kosovo. President Clinton assured the American
people that as many as 100,000 people had been slaughtered. Later
the figure was reduced to 10,000. We were told that mass graves
could be seen from our hi-tech satellites. (These were the same
satellites that didn’t know it was the Chinese Embassy that we
were bombing.)

During that time I wrote in this column and said on my talk show
that it was highly unlikely that genocide was taking place and
that Bill Clinton was lying through his teeth. I further said
that we could not trust Mr. Clinton or his compatriots at NATO to
tell the truth. For this I was vehemently criticized by many,
including a fellow radio talk show host across town. Well, my
friends, I hate to say it (no I don’t), but, I told you so.

According to the Sunday Times of London, October 31 edition, "… a
pathologist who led the Spanish team looking for bodies in the
aftermath of the fighting … said, ‘I calculate that the final
figure of dead in Kosovo will be 2,500 at the most. This includes
lots of strange deaths that can’t be blamed on anyone in
particular.’"

Expecting his team to perform thousands of post-mortem
examinations and their work to continue to the end of November,
Perez Pujol said, "On September 12 I called my people together
and said, ‘We have finished here.’ I informed my government and
told them of the real situation. We had found a total of 187
bodies. Four or five had died from natural causes."

According to the Times report, "The UN is expected to report next
month that the total number of victims so far uncovered is fewer
that 2,000. Many were executed, but some died during the fighting
and others died in allied bombing."

The Times continues: "Alice Mahon, the Labour MP who chairs the
Balkans committee, said yesterday that the deaths were tragic but
did not justify the military action taken by NATO. ‘When you
consider that 1,500 civilians or more were killed during the NATO
bombing, you have to ask whether the intervention was justified."
Indeed.

In short, Bill Clinton, Tony Blair and the rest of the NATO
spokesmen lied to us! They manufactured a genocide that did not
exist! In fact, Clinton and his bloodthirsty comrades killed more
people during that illegal war than the Serbs had killed during
the preceding decade!

When will the American people wake up the fact that one cannot
trust the word of a pathological liar? And those who have sold
their souls to defend and protect a pathological liar cannot be
trusted, either. That the congress and people of this country
grant to Bill Clinton any degree of credibility or trust
demonstrates their own stupidity!

For the sake of opinion polls and media intimidation, the US
Senate must now face eternity with the blood of thousands of
innocent people on their hands!


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[CTRL] Waco Movie. Newsmax Review

[Gavin Phillips]

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Thursday November 4, 2:07 AM
A HREF="http://newsmax.com/showinsidecover.shtml?a=1999/11/4/11508"NewsMax.c
om: America's News Page/A
New Documentary Links First Lady and Foster to Waco

A new documentary film on the Waco massacre ties late deputy White House
counsel Vince Foster, former Associate Attorney General Webster Hubbell and
First Lady Hillary Rodham Clinton to the April 19, 1993 conflagration that
took the lives of more than 50 adults and two dozen children.

Filmmaker Michael McNulty, whose 1997 work Waco: the Rules of Engagement
began to tranform public perceptions about the six year-old law enforcement
debacle, debuted Waco: A New Revelation to an invitation only audience in
Washington, DC's Union Station.

The film also contends that Delta Force actually participated in an
operational capacity at Waco and that FBI bugs should have forewarned the
Justice Department that a fire was likely, given that some Mt. Carmel
residents were overheard pouring flammable liquid around the compound.

More shocking still, the film makes a circumstantial case that a Davidian
returning to Mt. Carmel was shot to death in cold blood by federal agents.

But with a wrongful death civil suit brought by Davidian relatives, the
ongoing investigation of a Waco special prosecutor and renewed interest in
the massacre in several Congressional offices, Waco's Foster-Hubbell-Hillary
axis could prove to be the most problematic for the White House.

It's long been known that Hubbell was the Justice Department's point man on
Waco. But the roles played by Foster and Mrs. Clinton have been overlooked
until now.

For evidence of a Foster connection, McNulty sources Dennis Sculimbrene, a
retired FBI agent formerly assigned to conduct background checks at the
Clinton White House.

His partner, former FBI agent Gary Aldrich, left the bureau in 1996 after it
sought to delay the publication of Aldrich's bombshell White House tell-all
Unlimited Access.

Both Aldrich and Sculimbrene worked closely with the White House counsel's
office and dealt with Foster frequently.

In the film, Sculimbrene says on camera:

"(Foster) had a lot of things on his plate, the firing of the travel office
being one of them. But nobody was killed in that. What I really think was on
his mind was Waco. To this day, I don't understand what he meant by 'the FBI
lied.'"

Three months after Waco, Foster was found shot to death in a Virginia park.
Investigators have ruled his death a suicide.

In a note officials say Foster wrote ten days earlier, the fomer Rose firm
lawyer complained, "the FBI lied to the AG (attorney general)." Though
handwriting experts disagree on the authenticity of that note, those who
believe Foster wrote it suggest it shows that he suspected Attorney General
Janet Reno had been tricked into approving the deadly Waco raid.

FBI lab whistleblower Fredric Whitehurst, narrator of Waco: A New Revelation,
explains:

"In this FBI-302 report Mrs. Foster indicates that her husband was troubled
by the deaths of the children at Waco and believed that everything was his
fault."

Sculimbrene adds:

"When you are troubled by something and feel responsible for something, you
can only feel responsible for it if you could have done something about it.
Perhaps Mr. Foster felt that he could have done something about Waco. Whether
he tried to intervene, whether he was overruled..."

Sculimbrene's comments are followed by an excerpt from the November 19, 1998
Congressional testimony of Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr:

"...The extensive use of governmental privileges against grand jury and
criminal investigations has, of course, been a pattern through this
administration. Most notably, the White House cited privilege in 1993 to
prevent Justice Department and Park Police officials from reviewing documents
in Vincent Foster's office in the days after his tragic death."

Sculimbrene:

"The day after Vince Foster died, I got a phone call from a fellow working on
the case who told me that they -- not explaining who they were -- that they
had agreed that the FBI was going to come over and do a regular crime scene
search of Vince Foster's office."

Narrator Whitehurst:

"During the Whitewater investigation, (Foster's secretary) Deborah Gorham
testified that she saw a Waco file in the security file cabinet next to Mr.
Foster's desk. In addition, Michael Chertoff, counsel to the Senate
committee, inquired about a letter by Vince Foster involving Waco. Neither
was ever recovered during or after the crime scene search and their
whereabouts are still unknown."

Whitehurst notes that uniformed Secret Service officer Henry O' Neill
testified that he saw the first lady's chief of staff, Maggie Williams,
removing documents from Foster's office the night he died. Williams denied
removing documents that night, but did admit she took documents two days
later and stored them in the first lady's living quarters' closet.

In the film, White House intern Thomas 

Re: [CTRL] Coroner calls for warning note on Prozac packets

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

No antidepressive medication should be administered without an accompanying
course of one-on-one therapy, IMO. There are definitely people for whom
Prozac is a literal lifesaver. My wife is among them. But I can state
conclusively, having cared for her during her major depression, that
medication alone is a false panacea. Prozac is not right for everyone,
obviously. For the people who do need it, it can be a miracle; for the ones
who need something else, however, Prozac can be disastrous, especially if
it's prescribed as the sole answer to a patient's problems. Giving someone
Prozac without accompanying therapy is like installing a new software
program and expecting the user to understand it without any manuals or
training whatsoever.

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 Coroner calls for warning note on Prozac packets
 By Sean O'Neill

 Medicines - Eli Lilly

 PROZAC should be repackaged with clearer instructions to patients and
 their doctors about the drug's possible side-effects, a coroner said
 yesterday.

 John Owen called for more detailed labelling of the drug after hearing
 evidence in the case of a farmer who shot himself two weeks after he was
 prescribed Prozac. Richard Wood, 46, became increasingly agitated and
 frightened after being given the drug for depression.

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[CTRL] *Pat the Pod*

[Alamaine Ratliff]

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From AntiWar.CoM

{{Begin}}
Pat  The Pod
by George Szamuely
New York Press
11/2/99
"Is Patrick Buchanan an anti-Semite?" Thus the opening sentence of Norman
Podhoretz’s page-long screed in Oct. 25’s Wall Street Journal. The answer,
about 1000 words later, is no surprise. Yes, Buchanan has indeed "become an
anti-Semite."
One wonders why Podhoretz even bothered writing the article. That "Buchanan is
an anti-Semite" is by now a cliche. For this, we largely have Podhoretz to
thank. Back in January 1991, Commentary – the magazine Podhoretz edited for 35
years – published an article, "Patrick J. Buchanan and the Jews," by Joshua
Muravchik. It was here that for the first time a case was made against Buchanan
accusing him of "anti-Semitism." Though it seemed extraordinary that for more
than 25 years – until Muravchik came along, in fact – a man as outspoken as
Buchanan could have succeeded in concealing from the rest of the world his
rabid "anti-Semitism," in no time at all the Commentary insights became
conventional wisdom: Buchanan was an "anti-Semite."

The charge of "anti-Semitism" is an extremely serious one. Webster’s defines
"anti-Semitism" as "hostility toward or discrimination against Jews as a
religious, ethnic, or racial group." Has Pat Buchanan demonstrated "hostility
toward or discrimination against Jews as a religious, ethnic, or racial group"?
His many Jewish friends say no. This cuts no ice with Podhoretz. He dismisses
the "some of his best friends [are] Jews" claims as the "traditional…apology"
for anti-Semites.

However, Podhoretz fails to name any anti-Semite whose best friends really were
Jews. One would have thought Buchanan’s Jewish friends are in the best position
to know whether his friendship is genuine or not.


This is how the anti-Buchanan method works. Surmise, suggestion and insinuation
take the place of facts. Where are the clear statements by Buchanan that are
readily identifiable as "anti-Semitic"? Where is guff about the Protocols of
the Elders of Zion, the Jewish World Conspiracy, rootless cosmopolitans? What
we get instead are snippets of sentences pulled from his voluminous writings
and innumerable tv appearances. Taken out of context, their meaning distorted,
they are then all mixed up together in the hope that the resulting stew will be
sufficiently toxic.

In his Journal article Podhoretz offered a number of examples of the method. I
will cite only two. Like many others before him, Podhoretz refers to a past
column in which Buchanan is supposed to have lavished praise on Hitler.
Buchanan describes Hitler as "an individual of great courage, a soldier’s
soldier in the Great War…[a] genius." However, what Buchanan really said in
this 1977 column was, "Though Hitler was indeed racist and anti-Semitic to the
core, a man who without compunction could commit murder and genocide, he was
also an individual of great courage, a soldier’s soldier…" etc. Significantly,
the word "genius" appears somewhat later and in a different context. Buchanan
says, "[Hitler’s] genius was an intuitive sense of the mushiness, the character
flaws, the weakness masquerading as morality that was in the hearts of the
statesmen who stood in his path."

Buchanan wrote this column to attack the policy of "appeasement." Indeed,
throughout the column he sounds a lot like Podhoretz: "Men like Chamberlain and
Daladier needed a moral justification for their acts of weakness and betrayal…
Almost alone among European statesmen, Churchill saw that – under the guise of
restoring Germany to her rightful place among nations – Hitler was marching
along the road toward a New Order where Western civilization would not survive.
The vision lacking in the statesmen of ’37 appears lacking as well in the men
of ’77."

Now, one could say that Buchanan has changed his view of Chamberlain. However,
by no stretch of the imagination could the piece be described as "soft on
Hitler." Yet how many people will take the trouble to dig up a column from more
than 20 years ago and see for themselves what Buchanan actually said?

Podhoretz makes another familiar charge against Buchanan. Writing about the
Gulf War, he describes the time that Buchanan allegedly listed "four prominent
Jews who thought war might be necessary. Almost immediately…he counterpoised
them with ‘kids with names like McAllister, Murphy, Gonzales and Leroy Brown,’
who would actually do the fighting if these Jews had their way." According to
Podhoretz, this "juxtaposition of the prominent Jewish figures who favored the
war with the non-Jewish ‘kids’ who would be sent to die in the Persian Gulf"
was a "traditional anti-Semitic canard."

"When it came to digging up anti-Semitic filth from the foul swamps where it
was buried," Podhoretz concludes, "Mr. Buchanan was deterred neither by facts
nor by the stench arising out of his exhumations." Them’s strong words! They
would have greater force if Buchanan had actually said what he is supposed to
have said.

Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

[Tatman, Robert]

 -Caveat Lector-

The more you think about Satan, the more you argue about him, the more you
obsess yourself with him, the more power and reality you give him. Focus on
God, on good, on justice, on mercy...because the more you concentrate on
*these* things, the less power Satan has.

Or, if that doesn't work for you, then simply LAUGH at Satan. In Martin
Luther's words, "The Devil, that proud spirit, cannot stand to be mocked."

 -Original Message-
 From: Kris Millegan [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:39 AM
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 Subject:  Re: [CTRL] More Dark Links

  -Caveat Lector-

 MHO
 To state that satan is "real" is a matter of faith and/or opinion.

 Numbers do not lie, they maybe  'experienced' differently, but they do not
 lie and are universal.

 God is good, God is great, God is not mocked. Allah be praised.

 My faith rests within God.

 Peace unto you, bretheren.

 Om
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Interesting how those who seek the limelight tend to inflate things like
their egos (and then provide numbers or statistics for support thereof).  And,
then, when the numbers don't pan, ...  Sounds like a good reason to stay out of
other peoples' affairs, including wars.  The Grail weren't not never in no
Middle Eastern burg and it ain't in Kosovaria; yet, how many died seeking
justification for their faith, ignoring fact? AER 


From TheTorontoStar
Via  LewRockwell.CoM

{{Begin}}
November 3, 1999

 No genocide, no justification for war on Kosovo
 IN THE GENOCIDE of ethnic Albanians in Kosovo by the forces of Serb leader
Slobodan Milosevic, the worst incident occurred at the Trepca mine.

As reported by American and NATO officials, large numbers of bodies were
brought in by trucks under the cover of darkness. The bodies were then thrown
down the shafts, or were disposed of entirely in the mine's vats of
hydrochloric acid. Estimates of the number of dead began at 1,000.
That was six months ago, in the middle of the war undertaken to halt what both
U.S. President Bill Clinton and British Prime Minister Tony Blair called ``a
human catastrophe.'' Estimates of the number of ethnic Albanians slaughtered
went upward from 10,000. U.S. Defence Secretary William Cohen put the count at
100,000.

Three weeks ago, the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia
released the findings of Western forensic teams investigating the horror at
Trepca. There were not 1,000 bodies down the mine shafts at Trepca, reported
the tribunal. There were not 100 bodies there. There was not one body there,
nor was there any evidence the vats had ever been used to dispose of human
remains.

Shortly afterward, the tribunal reported on its work at the most infamous of
all the mass graves of ethnic Albanians, at Ljubenic near the town of Pec.
Earlier, NATO officials had said 350 victims had been hastily buried there by
the retreating Serb forces. There were not 350 bodies at Ljubenic, though.
There were five.

So far, not one mass grave has been found in Kosovo, despite four months' work
by forensic teams, including experts from the FBI and the RCMP.

This discovery - more accurately, this non-discovery - first was made public
three weeks ago by the Texas-based intelligence think tank, Stratfor. Stratfor
estimated the number of ethnic Albanian dead in Kosovo at 500.

Last weekend, the story was broadcast for the first time by the TV Ontario
program Diplomatic Immunity. (Last Sunday's New York Times was still using the
``10,000 deaths'' figure.)

The story has begun to appear in European newspapers. Spain's El Pais has
quoted the head of the Spanish forensic team, Emilo Pujol, as saying he had
resigned because, after being told to expect to have to carry out 2,000
autopsies, he'd only had 97 bodies to examine - none of which ``showed any
signs of mutilation or torture.''

Because 250 of 400 suspected mass graves in Kosovo remain to be examined, it's
possible that evidence of mass killings will yet be found. This is highly
unlikely though, because the worst sites were dug up first.

No genocide of ethnic Albanians by Serbs, therefore. No ``human catastrophe.''
No ``modern-day Holocaust.''

All of those claims may have been an honest mistake. Equally, they may have
been a grotesque lie concocted to justify a war that NATO originally assumed
would be over in a day or two, with Milosevic using the excuse of some minimal
damage as a cover for a surrender, but then had to fight (at great expense) for
months.

There's no question that atrocities were committed in Kosovo, overwhelmingly by
the Serb forces, although the ethnic Albanian guerrillas were not innocent.
Quite obviously, these forces, acting on Milosevic's explicit orders, carried
out mass expulsions of people, terrorizing them and destroying their homes and
property.

Acts like these are inexcusable. That they occur often in civil wars (far worse
are being committed by the Russians in Chechnya), is irrelevant to their
horror. But they have nothing to do with genocide.

No genocide means no justification for a war inflicted by NATO on a sovereign
nation. Only a certainty of imminent genocide could have legally justified a
war that was not even discussed by the U.N. Security Council.

No genocide means that the tribunal's indictment of Milosevic becomes highly
questionable. Even more questionable is the West's continued punishment of the
Serbs - the Danube bridges and the power stations remain in ruins - when their
offence may well have been stupidity rather than criminality.

The absence of genocide may mean something else, something deeply shaming. To
halt the supposed genocide, NATO bombed targets in Serbia proper. Because of
``collateral'' or accidental damage, such as the bombing of a train, some 500
civilians were killed (Belgrade claims almost 1,000 deaths). NATO very likely
killed as many people as were killed in Kosovo.

The number of these dead 

[CTRL] Godsters v. Goldsterss

[lloyd]

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..

Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]:
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sat Oct  1 17:16:54 1994
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 1994 15:03:23 -0400 (EDT)
From: James Daugherty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Godsters v. Goldsterss

Approved: f3rt13

Subject: A-albionic Weekly Up-date of 10-1-94: Godsters Battle Goldsters
 For World Control!

The following article is being reprinted from A-albionic's Project and
the Geis Letter with permission.  I think you will find it to be an
interesting change of pace.  Comments to:  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Richard (Dick) Geis, a well-known science fiction author edits the Geis
Letter.

Reprinted from the Geis Letter with permission:

  The Theory of the "Owners" Explained
  Goldsters Battle Godsters for World Control

Some Observations On the Owners
  And Other Realities

By One Who Knows

  For reasons that I'm sure you share, I have chosen to be anonymous, both
as a way to protect myself, my membership in certain organizations, as
well as my sources in and out of those organizations.

I agree with the essential thrust of your commentary on the
Owners/Goldsters in The Geis Letter #19.  The following are some selected
point-by-point elaborations and observations,

  #1.  The international elite.  It is centered primarily in Europe, and
the Japanese were added in the last quarter century through the Trilateral
Commission.  This admission still sticks in the throats of more than a few
of the Owners who have a Eurocentric view of the world.  A view that most
would consider racist; but facts are facts, the ruling civilization is
based on European precepts (many imported from the Middle East) and
ancient fraternal societies.  The Japanese adapted, and are still
not-fully-trusted junior partners.

  #2.  Ownership of the environment.  The Owners do believe that they own
the planet, and are operating in our best interests.  Their passion on
this issue is sometimes quite annoying.  Their key tools of ownership are
pressure from their mostly unwitting allies in the "environmental rights"
movement, as well as several recently established organizations, the most
notable of these is the World Conservation Bank (WCB).  The WCB was
founded in Colorado in the last decade.  Its charter was formed over
several meetings in the span of a couple of years.  The keynote speaker
for their first meeting was David Rockefeller.  The WCB now owns over 25%
of Costa Rica.  They are offering "forgiveness" of Third World debt, and
will extend new credit to those countries in they put up their natural
resources as collateral. Several countries, including Peru (whose dictator
Fujimori is an Owner installed puppet), have already signed on.

  #3.  Outlaw Nations.  These include countries like Iraq, that overstep
their bounds, and others, like Iran and North Korea, who are totally
opposed to the Owners.  The Owners use them as an example to control
others, as well as to distract the American and European public from their
real plans.  Remember the owners have studied the "magic' of controlling
people for centuries.  They can distract the public with a war at any
time.  That's why a certain number of outlaw countries are not only
tolerated, but necessary.  A war is the best time to consolidate control
or launch a new social agenda.  Because the public's attention is either
elsewhere, or any potential opposition is exhausted.  Witness the creation
of both the United Nations, as well as NATO, at the end of WWII, and the
League of Nations at the end of the First World War.

  #4.  The American Public.  Although America is their seat of power, the
American public is difficult to control (they voted against the League of
Nations).  Their efforts to tame us since have only been partially
successful.  They must continually distract us. The CIA-led introduction
of drugs, using Air Force bases as drops during the Vietnam War, and
during the Iran-Contra activities, was a huge success.  It not only
pacified the inner cities (no more Black Panthers, or Malcolm X's), but
led directly to the creation of gangs like the bloods and Crips. White
America, conditioned by hours of watching black men dominate tough
athletic sports like basketball, will march headlong into the socialist
police-state embrace of the Owners to get protection from the black gangs.

  #5.  The United Nations.  Bill Clinton has ceded control of our armed
forces to the UN.  Can you imagine the outrage if Jimmy Carter had even
suggested such a thing?  But the end of the Cold War, and the lazy,
beer-guzzling, don't-give-a-shit 

[CTRL] [2] Interference

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

3
The Old Days with the Old Gang

INHERITING ARNOLD ROTHSTEIN'S BOOKMAKING empire—with the approval of Meyer
Lansky and New York Mafia figure Frank Costello-fell to New York's Frank
Erickson. Ralph Salerno told me, "Erickson met Costello and Lansky through
Rothstein. The estate Rothstein left his family was peanuts, but the empire
he left his criminal friends was enormous and taken up by the guys who worked
for him. Rothstein had recruited Erickson. And after Rothstein was murdered,
Lansky and Costello went to Erickson and said, 'We'll be partners, but you
run the bookmaking on the day-to-day basis.' Meanwhile, Lansky and Costello
were running the casinos in upstate New York, Miami, and New Orleans. They
were all partners in all of their gambling operations."

Born in 1895, the pudgy Erickson maintained his headquarters in New Jersey
while continuing to live in New York. He had his gambling contacts in all
forty-eigllt states. Federal investigators estimated that he handled between
$20,000 and $40,000 a day in betting action. In the ten-year period between
1933 and 1943—while serving as a banker for other gamblers as wellErickson
netted an estimated $22 million, and split it with Costello, Lansky, and
other mobsters in the growing national crime syndicate.

It was during Erickson's reign that fast-money sports rigging became
widespread, particularly at the racetrack. Because thoroughbred horses
couldn't testify before federal grand juries, they were often the targets of
illegal doping. Heroin, in fact, received its street name, "horse" because it
was the early drug of choice by corrupt horsefixers.

Soon after George Halas bought the Chicago Bears, a large and tough New York
bookmaker and boxing promoter with close ties to Erickson and the Tammany
Democratic machine, bought an NFL franchise. Thirty-nine-year-old Tim Mara
paid $500 for the New York Giants in August 1925. His team played its games
at the Polo Grounds, the home of major-league baseball's New York Giants.

Mara's gambling operations were semilegal, and he was known for having booked
bets beneath a striped umbrella at New York racetracks. After dropping out of
school when he was thirteen, he became a runner of Rothstein associate Thomas
"Chicago" O'Brien, a major New York gambler. Mara delivered newspapers and
worked in a book bindery by day; by night he made pickups and deliveries for
O'Brien. He later opened up his own book bindery company, which fronted for
his own bookmaking operation. Soon, Mara worked his way up to his own
enclosed space at Belmont Park and became a member of the local racing
association. He handled as much as $30,000 in wagers in a single day.

"Mara was a bookmaker when it was legal at the racetrack to be a bookmaker,"
says Salerno. "The law prohibited betting away from the track, but you could
go there and bet with a bookmaker. They actually had slate chalkboards on
which they would post and change the odds. Gamblers would be running from one
bookmaker to the next, trying to get the best odds."

At the time Mara bought the Giants, he had never even seen a football game.
"But the promoters of the [NFL] knew that bookmakers were a type extremely
susceptible to new forms of investment," according to one report. "They
offered Mr. Mara the franchise."[1]

During the Giants' first season, Mara was already facing financial
difficulties and his team was verging on collapse. But all was well after
seventy-three thousand fans jammed the Polo Grounds to see New York lose,
19-7, to the Chicago Bears, who had signed running sensation Red Grange
earlier that year.[2] Gate receipts produced enough money to help the Giants'
franchise to survive. The team won its first NFL championship in 1927.

Active in politics, Mara, a Roman Catholic, was a major supporter of the 1928
presidential campaign of Democratic nominee Al Smith, the first Catholic to
seek the presidency.

Mara's office was later raided by agents from the U.S. attorney's office in
New York, which alleged that Mara and his employees had been scalping tickets
to the Giants games. But Mara, who still had good political contacts, was not
indicted. He insisted that the sale of thousands of tickets at the higher
price was "nothing worse than an error in making change."

The passage of the Beer-Wine Revenue Act in March 1933—which amended the
Volstead Act to legalize beer and wineserved as the prelude to the
Twenty-first Amendment and the repeal of Prohibition on December 5, 1933.
According to the FBI, "The resulting end of their bonanza caught mob leaders
with large hordes of wealth, vast fleets of trucks, and whole armies of
trained gunmen at their disposal. Most branched out into other fields of
criminal endeavor (such as gambling, loan sharking, narcotics, labor
racketeering, etc.), whereas quite a few added to their flow of illicit
wealth by investing their funds in legitimate investments, ranging from real
estate and manufacturing plants to hospitals and 

[CTRL] [1] Interference

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Interference
Dan E. Moldea©1989
William Morrow and Company, Inc.
New York, NY
ISBN 0-688-08303-X
-
2
Getting Organized

EARLY PROFESSIONAL FOOTBALL POSSESSED little finesse and only basic
strategies. The public's draw to the game was based upon its display of legal
violence. During his eight-year tenure as president, Theodore Roosevelt had
actively tried to ban the game because of its inherent brutality. For the
most part, the players—who looked like faces on a post office wall—were
picked for their size and toughness rather than their agility, intelligence,
and speed. Many of them carried railroad ties, chopped wood, and cow-poked
during the rest of the week. Fans came to football games to see dogfights—and
to gamble.

The only known successful bribery incident in the pre-NFL period took place
back in November 1906, in the midst of an early attempt to organize a
professional football league. During a two-game series between the Canton
Bulldogs and the Massillon Tigers in Ohio, Blondy Wallace, the head coach of
the Canton team, and Walter R. East, a key Massillon player, made a deal in
which Canton was to win the first game and Massillon was to win the second,
forcing a third game-with the biggest gate-to be played legitimately. Several
gamblers involved with Wallace and East had also offered a $5,000 bribe to
the Massillon coach and members of his team, but without success.

When the rumors of the attempted bribery became widespread, East, who had
boasted of fixing a college football game the year before, as well as a
baseball game that same year, was fired from the Massillon team. The
Canton-Massillon incident
 became the first known case of professional gamblers' attempting to fix a
professional sport.

Professional football had emerged during the early part of the twentieth
century in small towns and cities without major colleges. In the large
cities, college football was still king. The American Professional Football
Association (APFA) was officially formed on August 20, 1920, during a meeting
at the brick, threestory Odd Fellows building that housed the Hupmobile and
Jordan automobile dealership of Ralph Hay, the general manager of the Canton
Bulldogs in Canton, Ohio. By the beginning of its first season, the
association consisted of fourteen teams from five states.[1] Each owner was
required to pay $100 for his franchise.

Among those initial teams created in 1920 were the Racine (Avenue in Chicago)
Cardinals, organized in 1899 by South Side Chicago contractor Chris O'Brien.
Another was the Decatur Staleys, sponsored by a manufacturing company and
represented by twenty-five-year-old ex-sailor George Halas. Formerly a New
York Yankees right fielder, Halas's baseball career had been cut short by a
hip injury. Later, after receiving loans from his mother and Chicago
businessman Charles Bidwill, an associate of the Al Capone mob, Halas bought
the football team from his employer, A. E. Staley. In 1921, Halas moved his
team to Cubs Park in Chicago where it became the Chicago Bears.

The legendary Jim Thorpe, whose mentor had been coach Glenn "Pop" Warner, was
elected the first president of the association. Four years earlier, while
Thorpe was playing for the Canton Bulldogs, he and a fan of the rival
Massillon Tigers had a heated exchange about which team was better. Just
hours before a game between the two teams, Thorpe slapped down a blank check
and filled it out for $2,500, challenging the fan, a wealthy local
businessman, to respond in kind.

A local newspaper, which reported the betting incident, took the matter in
stride. "Massillon had plenty of money to stake on the outcome of the game,"
the paper reported, "while many of the Canton bugs were rather shy. They
evidently feared the hoodoo which Massillon has been in former years. Now
that the jinx has been chased the wagering in years to come is likely to be
more lively."

One of Thorpe's star Bulldog players, Joe Guyon, recalled, "Gamblers tried to
buy us off. They would approach us at the hotel, where we stayed on the
weekend ... 'They didn't fool with me ... But there were guys who took their
money ... We had one guy. Oh, he was a high traveler. A halfback. We saw his
contacts at the hotel. Then we saw his play. He was detailed to cover a man,
and when he didn't, why, we said it was an accident. But the second time, it
was too obvious. I said, 'What the hell is going on?' I went over to the
bench and said, 'He didn't cover his man, Jim. This guy is not covering his
man.' Jim braced him right there. He fired him. "[2]

Thorpe was replaced as the president of the professional football league in
1921 by Joe Carr of Columbus, Ohio, a highly respected sports reporter and
promoter. Perhaps his greatest contribution was his crusade to prevent NFL
teams from snagging college players for pro ball until they had graduated.[3]

In 1922—the year that the APFA changed its name to the National Football
League—a scandal 

Re: [CTRL] Fw: [2ndrepoftexas] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition of God.

[JAH Publications]

 -Caveat Lector-

According to God ALL human laws are illegal.

Therefore The Bible is the ONLY Law Book on Earth.

Deuteronomy 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the Statutes and unto
 the Judgments, which I teach you, for to DO [them], that ye may
 LIVE, and go in and possess the land which the "I AM" God of your
 fathers giveth you.
4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither
 shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the
 Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

During the British Coronation the Archbishop places The Bible in the hands
of the British monarch saying: "Our gracious king/queen, we present you with
this Book, the most valuable thing that this world affords. Here is Wisdom.
This is the Royal Law. These are the lively oracles of God."

The monarch swears to uphold The Law (PLEASE read Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

Canadians are all Israelites by birth, being descended from the Ten "Lost"
Tribes of Israel and all Israelites signed The Covenant with God at Horeb in
Sinai and must now return to keeping only God's Laws in order to defeat the
NWO or perish.

Please see Malachi 4 below for proof.

With that in mind please read and act on the following to help me to recover
The "Lost" Ark of The Covenant from its secret hiding-place on the Hill of
Tara (Torah) in County Meath in Ireland.

COPY

Dear General Gene,

Thank you very much for your latest email. I am extremely glad to hear that,
unlike most so-called christians, you have actually understood correctly
about the Wisdom of The Law. You are perfectly correct about the abolition
of only the animal substitution Sacrificial Laws, which were only a
school-teacher to bring men to Christ and were replaced by the daily taking
up of the cross of "Self"-sacrifice. The national and moral Laws however, as
you correctly state are, like The Covenant, eternal.

In order to prove that to everyone and return the world to decency and
morality it is necessary to return to The Law of God, exactly as He says on
the last page of the Old Covenant / Testament in Malachi 4, exactly as you
have agreed with in your letter to me. As part of that, it is my personal
job to recover The Ark of The Covenant which contains The Law and The Two
Tablets on which are written The Ten Commandments and show them to the world
and warn everyone that they must return to and keep God's Laws in order to
defeat Satan's NWO Conspirators and save themselves from destruction.

You are exactly right about the times we are living in being the "End" Time
and the proof of that can be found on my website page about exactly that:-
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Atrium/2012/signs.htm

The best Bible currently in print is the 1611 king James Authorised Version.
But I have finished preparing the "King of kings' Bible" and that is the
best and only totally accurate Bible and includes what the Conspirators took
out of it because they didn't want you to read it. Unfortunately because the
NWO own all the publishing companies and don't want people to be able to
read and understand what The Bible really says, they will not publish it for
me. It is however available electronically and details can be found on my
website. I'm looking into putting it on CD but don't have a CD Writer for my
old Macintosh.

I am doing my best to persuade the Irish Minister for Heritage to give me a
permit to dig at Tara in Co. Meath in Ireland, so I can recover The Ark.
Then I/we can defeat the NWO and draw all those who want to live in a better
and fairer world by keeping ONLY God's Laws to The Ark and into God's
Kingdom.

Gene, please do your best to persuade as many people as possible to write;
to fax to and/or telephone the Irish Minister to persuade her to give me the
permit as soon as possible, because Y2K is rapidly approaching and there is
no other way to stop the Conspirators.

I asked USCMike1 to also persuade his mailing list to do the same because
only a concerted and sustained effort will achieve the goal. This is the
right miracle that you have been praying for and we all must work together
to make it happen. Please share this with your listeners along with my
website address where people can find a treasure of information that will
help them and you to correctly understand The Bible and God's Survival-Plan.

I'm very pleased for you that Father nailed you and you caught on fire.

I'm adding the letter* that I sent out to USCMike1 and Shonda in which it
gives people the Irish Minister's address etc. and what to do, so I/we can
recover The Ark and defeat the NWO Conspirators ASAP, before Y2K.

If you like The Bible you will love my and God's website and spend many
joyful hours studying the treasure on it. It will help you to understand The
Bible better. Please check it out and advise others to do the same.

If you have any personal questions that you would like my advice on in total
confidence and privacy, please feel free to consult me.

Peace be upon you,

JAH.

[CTRL] Da Bones

[Alamaine Ratliff]

 -Caveat Lector-

From http://prorev.com/indexa.htm


 ALL FOR ONE
 NOVEMBER 3
 "The American people is supportive of me." -- Governor George W. Bush during
 interview with CBS's Jane Clayson. SOME QUESTIONS FOR GEORGE THE YOUNGER As an
 act of national reconciliation, would you as president take steps to encourage
 Skull  Bones to return to the Apache people the skull of Geronimo, stolen by a
 group of Yalies including your grandfather? Why do you think your father refused
 to meet with an Apache representative at the request of then-Representative John
 McCain to discuss this matter? Don't you now think it's a little weird to lie
 naked in a coffin and to reveal your entire sexual history to a group of older
 Yalies called Patriarchs who, coincidentally, may have an influence over your
 later career such as being in a position to blackmail you? What do you think the
 psychosexual import of this sort of behavior is? Would you call Skull  Bones a
 cult and should the FBI keep an eye on it as it does other cults? A QUESTION FOR
 GEORGE THE YOUNGER'S PRESS SECRETARY Why did Governor Bush leave the room when
 we asked about Skull  Bones?


AER
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[CTRL] Fwd: Konformist: EgyptAir The Illuminati - Continued

[Kris Millegan]

Please send as far and wide as possible.

Thanks,

Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com


EgyptAir  The Illuminati - Continued


33 Egyptian military officers were on Flight 990 !!
Wednesday, November 03, 1999
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  (Norio Hayakawa)

Here is an addition to the earlier posting forwarded by my colleague, Robert
Sterling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

UPDATE:

CONFIRMED!!

L.A. Times just confirmed today (November 2, 1999) that there were 33
Egyptian military personnel aboard the Flight 990.

(quoting from L.A. Times):

".The victims apparently included 33 Egyptian military officers,
according to the Pentagon.  The group was made up primarily of pilots who
apparently were training in the United States.  U.S. officials were trying to
determine where.
Other members of the Egyptian military group might have been visiting this
country for talks with American defense contractors, officials said.
Egyptian authorities maintained silence on the subject."

(unquote).

-

According to earlier info that I received yesterday from another source, the
bulk of the pilots were in training with AH 64 Apache Helicopters in the U.S.
   A few of those military officials also may have been privy to sensitive
weapons systems info while in the U.S.

*

Robert,

Regarding the Egypt Air numbers. The plane was delivered to Egypt Air
almost exactly 0 years ago by Boeing, on Sept. 26, 1989. If it made its
first flight the next day that would have been 10 years and 33 days
before it crashed. Also I learned recently that Ground Hog's day is the
33rd day of the year, and is the first day of the last 333 days of the
year.

Flight 990 also carried 199 passengers (18 crew members) and went down at
1:19.

One of the core groups on board were a tour group (Grand Circle Tours),
here in San Diego one of the members was named Freeman and there was a
Masson from Canada, a journalist, also on board.

In A RUSH HERE.

Take Care

Craig Cuthbert
San Diego

*

Decoding EgyptAir Flight 990 as a Masonic ritual sacrifice
Wednesday, November 03, 1999

With his characteristic insight, it looks like Robert Sterling of The
Konformist has decoded the numerology of Flight 990, identifying it as a
Masonic ritual sacrifice.

Here is some analysis that I have independently developed that would seem to
confirm what lurks in the shadows of this tragic event.

1.  The number of the flight, 990.

" ... 10 times a trinity of thirty-three..."

Ten = Moses, bringer of the Ten Commandments.
Trinity = the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
Thirty-Three = the number of years of Jesus' life.

Possible significance of the use of these key Christian allusions:
Freemasonry as the purposeful inversion of Christianity. Satanism as "the ape
of God..."

2.  The name of the plane, Thutmosis II.

Thutmosis = Moses.

Thutmosis was the name of Moses before Hatshepsut and her handmaidens put him
in a basket and floated him down the Nile, where he was found among the
bullrushes by the Hebrews.

Masons regard Moses as a "Master Mason."  He is found on one of the bas
reliefs that the Masons who founded our country placed around the Senate (?),
where other great "Masons" from history are featured (Maimonides, Napoleon,
etc.)?

Luke 3 places Moses in the Davidic bloodline from Adam to Jesus.  Hence,
"Moses" constitutes an ideal ritual sacrifice victim.

3.  An EgyptAir flight from New York to Cairo.

A flight from the New Babylon to the principal symbolic site of Freemasonry,
which calls itself "the Ancient Arabic Order of the Egyptian Shrine..."

Just as the Masons use the Great Pyramid on the dollar bill to represent the
New World Order, so a big event is scheduled for the Great Pyramid on January
1, 2000 to usher in the New Millenium.

4.  The numerology of Flight 990.

In numerology, 9 + 9 + 0 = 18 = 1 + 8 = 9 = 3 + 3 + 3  -- again, the
prevalence of 3's identified by Sterling.

5.  Dating the event from the assassination of Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.

President Sadat of Egypt was assassinated in October 1981.

EgyptAir 990, the number of whose name is 18, crashed 18 years later, in
October 1999.

18 = 9 + 9 + 0, or 6 + 6 + 6, or 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3 + 3.

6.   The last name of the first man on the scene, James T. Hall of the NTSB.

Hall = H + A + I + I = (H)iram (A)biff II?  A veiled reference to Hiram Abiff?

Hall = Masonic hall.  A veiled reference to "the Great Hall" found in Masonic
temples?  Possible use of the mass media to make the entire public realm a
vast Masonic "hall" where this ritual sacrifice is viewed, dissected, and
analyzed?

7.  Initially, only one body is found.

Could this have been used to identify all of the victims as, in a sense, a
single body, a single victim, a single sacrifice?

8.   "Three" are "missing."

The British press has stated that three Canadians were aboard, the American
press has neglected to mention that any Canadians were aboard.

Could these three victims represent "the three 

[CTRL] Mind Chemtrol From The Sky?

[Steve Wingate]

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This morning Art Bell had a guest on his show named William Thomas.  He is a
chemtrail investigator who lives in Aspen, Colorado.  At one point in the
chilling discussion, Thomas said he'd received an e-mail from a man who said
he was a former NOAA (National Ocean and Atmospheric Agency?) pilot.  This
man wrote that, in retrospect, at the beginning of the chemtrail mystery that
the "happy faces" of the meteorologists who had until that time been his
passengers were suddenly replaced by dour, unsmiling and non talkative
"meteorologists" and that the take off and landing weights of his planes
suddenly did not correspond anymore with the amount of fuel used, meaning
that something besides fuel was lost during those flights.

This pilot intimated that the chemtrails are really a CIA mind kontrol
operation, the purpose of which is to make the sprayed populations confused,
depressed, a bit sick and enervated and thereby submissive and lacking
crucial analytic capacities.  Stated purpose?  To kontrol targeted populations
 by making them more likely to be subservient to government officials during
Y2K confusion and/or martial law.  In addition, this is happening all around
the world now.

But in Amerika, Mr. Thomas stated that he believed forestry service planes
had been moved out of that service and into the production of chemtrails
which resulted in prolonged wildfires in the West this past summer due to the
resulting lack of equipment to fight those fires from the sky.

We must never forget that this chemtrail spraying is apparently NOT a part of
some new directive!  This kind of spraying has been going on in various modes
now for over 50 years.

This is all so damned mind boggling that I feel like I'm in a dream, like I'm
in the twilight zone, like my country has been stolen away while I slept.

Mr. Thomas' website can be found at http://www.islandnet.com/~wilco/

The attached 6K jpg of a jet obviously producing a chemtrail from its tail is
from Contrail Connection - http://www.contrailconnection.com/ THIS IS AN EXCEL
LENT WEBSITE with many pictures.  Remember, planes dump fuel from their
wings, not from their tails!

Art Bell's chemtrail page - http://www.artbell.com/contrails.html

What the hell is going on - because I think Art Bell is a part of a disinfo
op himself.  Or, is he a man in the middle?

Brad


Steve Wingate

California Director
SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL

Anomalous Images and UFO Files
http://www.anomalous-images.com


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[CTRL] [3] Interference

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Interference
Dan E. Moldea©1989
William Morrow and Company, Inc.
New York, NY
ISBN 0-688-08303-X
---[3]--

4
The Baugh Surveillance

IN THE LATE FALL of 1943, rumors began to circulate that members of the
Washington Redskins—particularly Sammy Baugh, the Redskins' quarterback
sensation-were associating with Washington gamblers who were linked to Frank
Erickson's gambling syndicate. Talk of game fixing had already begun after a
November contest between the Redskins and the Phil-Pitt Steagles.

The Redskins' "Slingin" Sammy Baugh was one of the greatest quarterbacks to
ever play the game of football. He was an all-American at Texas Christian
University in 1936 and signed with Washington the following year. In his
first season as a pro, Baugh electrified fans with a spectacular passing
offense and led the once-failing Redskins to their first NFL championship.

The next year, after threatening to quit football if he didn't receive more
money, Baugh negotiated a three-year contract for $25,000 with Redskins owner
George Preston Marshall. A West Virginia-born laundry owner in Washington who
had bought the Boston Braves football team in July 1932, Marshall had moved
the team to Washington, D.C., forming the Washington Redskins in February
1937. Marshall, a onetime horse-racing enthusiast and gambler, had reformed
himself and begun beating a tambourine in his efforts to prevent sports
gambling. Always a showman, Marshall was determined to make professional
football respectable.

Although the Chicago Bears had destroyed the Redskins, 73-0, in the 1940 NFL
championship game, it took Baugh only
 two years to avenge the Redskins and take the title back from the Bears. "I
guess this kinda makes up for that thing in 1940, don't it?" cowboy Baugh
told newsmen after the game.

The Bears' running sensation, former all-American George "One-Play" McAfee, a
9.8 sprinter in the hundred on a cinder track back, told me about the 1940
game, saying, "The funny thing about that game was that two or three weeks
earlier, the Redskins had beaten us, seven to three. We left there with some
hard feelings because we thought we had gotten some bad calls from the
officials. And when we came back to play them, we wanted to get even. But ol'
Sammy, he was a great quarterback. We played both ways in those days—so I was
in the backfield offensively and played in the secondary on defense. I
remember on one play I felt someone bumping me. When I turned around, it was
Sammy blocking me downfield. And he was the quarterback. Sammy always played
full out." McAfee intercepted a pass and ran thirty-four yards for a
touchdown during the Bears' rout of the Redskins.

Baugh also remembers the 1940 rivalry with the Bears, especially the
championship game. Baugh told me, "We played the Bears on the last day of the
regular season that year, and we beat them, seven to three. In fact, McAfee
ran the ball down to the one yard line. And before they could score, the
officials said that the game was over. That left a real bad taste in their
mouth.

"But there was no doubt in my mind that the Bears were the best team in the
league that year, game in and game out. We had more good players that year
than I could ever remember playing with. But I doubt that we were as good as
they were. We might have been a little lucky to have beaten them in that
seven-to-three game. But when they left that field they were madder than
hell. They just couldn't believe that we beat them.

"On the day of the championship, we were a damn tired team. We were
practicing really hard the week before the game. We would have been better
off had we not worked quite so hard."

In 1943, Baugh had led the Redskins to sixteen consecutive games over two
seasons without a defeat. Then, Washington was beaten by the Steagles on
November 28. Earlier that month, the Steagles had tied the Redskins, 14-14,
ending Washington's consecutive victory streak at thirteen. Prior to the loss
to the Steagles, the Redskins were 6-0-1 and in first place in the NFL's
Eastern Division. The Steagles were 4-3-1 and in second place.

Baugh entered the November 28 game with a knee injury he had received in a
game two weeks earlier. The Steagles had held the Redskins scoreless until
the final seconds of the third quarter when Baugh threw a touchdown pass.
With the score 14-7 in the fourth quarter, Baugh led the Redskins downfield
hoping to tie the game. However, a Baugh pass was intercepted, which led to
another Steagles touchdown. When the Redskins got the ball back, Baugh
attempted a quick kick (a surprise punt before fourth down) that was blocked
and recovered by the Steagles on the Redskins one yard line. The Steagles
then plunged in for another score. Baugh, who was twice booed by the Redskins
fans because of his performance, threw a second touchdown pass in the final
seconds of the fourth quarter. Too little too late, the Steagles won, 27-14.

In early December, two sportswriters 

[CTRL] [5] Interference

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Interference
Dan E. Moldea©1989
William Morrow and Company, Inc.
New York, NY
ISBN 0-688-08303-X
---[5]--
6
The Wire Services

ANOTHER TEAM IN THE All-American Football Conference was the Cleveland
Browns, formed by a crime-syndicate bookmaker, Arthur "Mickey" McBride. At
the time he owned the Browns, McBride was the head of the Continental Racing
Wire, the mob's gambling news service—which the Special Senate Committee to
Investigate Organized Crime in Interstate Commerce, better known as the
Kefauver Committee—later described as "Public Enemy Number One."[1] McBride's
partner was James M. Ragen, Sr., of Chicago.

Born in Chicago in 1888, McBride was selling newspapers on the street at age
six and became the circulation manager of William Randolph Hearst's Chicago
American in 1911. Two years later, he was sent to Cleveland by Hearst and
held the same position for The Cleveland News, an afternoon paper. McBride
became the newspaper's point man in its rough-and-tumble circulation wars
against The Cleveland Plain Dealer. Ragen was the circulation manager of The
Cleveland Leader, the News-owned morning paper. In the midst of the battles,
trucks were hijacked and people were beaten, stabbed, and shot.

Through these wars, McBride recruited Morris Dalitz and his Cleveland-based
Mayfield Road Gang for the rough stuff. McBride remained in the newspaper
business until 1930 when he purchased his first taxicab company and parlayed
it into the only cab company in the metropolitan Cleveland area.[2]

A shrewd businessman with a wide variety of investments in Cleveland,
Chicago, and the Miami area, the quiet McBride once said, "Nobody ever got
rich on a salary."

McBride had founded the Continental Racing Wire in the wake of the collapse
of the Nationwide News Service, which had been operated out of Chicago by
Moses L. Annenberg, who like McBride and Ragen had started his career as a
circulation manager for the Hearst newspaper chain. After Annenberg's August
1939 indictment for criminal tax fraud, he made a deal with the government
that provided that similar charges be dropped against his son Walter Annenberg
 and two of their associates in Nationwide. In return, Annenberg pleaded
guilty, paid $9.5 million in back taxes and penalties, and went to prison in
1940.[3] Walter Annenberg closed down Nationwide and took over his father's
publishing empire, which included The Philadelphia Inquirer and The Daily
Racing Form, which the elder Annenberg had bought in 1922.[4]

Among those sent by the Chicago mob to work for the elder Annenberg on his
wire service had been Johnny Rosselli. After the collapse of Nationwide,
Rosselli went to Hollywood to work for the Motion Picture Producers
Association. Within three years, he and six other Chicago mobsters-who had
taken over the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees, the
largest union in Hollywood-were indicted and convicted for selling labor
peace to the major movie studios.[5]

While the Mafia was busy shaking down Hollywood, Nationwide's Chicago
manager, Tom Kelly, persuaded his brother-in-law, Mickey McBride, to create
Continental in November 1939, in the wake of Nationwide's collapse, with a
mere $20,000 investment. McBride was also encouraged to do so by James Ragen,
who was indicted with Annenberg for his role in the Nationwide scheme and
pleaded guilty.

The intent of the wire service had been to provide every bookmaker in the
country with needed information on all aspects of sports gambling,
particularly horse racing. Sports results were transmitted over both the
telephone and telegraph to twentyfour large "distributors" throughout the
United States. The gambling information was then printed and delivered to
subscribers to the service.

Former Chicago FBI agent Aaron Kohn, who investigated the wire service, told
me, "One of the mob's major sources of income was their operation of the wire
service systems and the layoff network for gambling on football. Among the
clever devices they used for reaching out to the largest possible mass of
consumers were football-betting parlay cards. By the 1950s, they were
widespread.
 "The mob had to do everything they could to control the outcome of these
games in order to control the level of their profits. You found them
manipulating and corrupting in football, as they sometimes did in basketball.
They would corrupt players and move into ownership control of teams whenever
they could. Once the mob found the market for illegal gambling, corruption
became an inseparable part of their operation."

Within two years of creating Continental, McBride sold it to Ragen, with whom
he had been involved in some real estate deals after the newspaper wars.
Because Ragen needed McBride's contacts, he asked the Cleveland businessman
to stay on and become his minority partner. McBride agreed and kept a
one-third interest in the wire service-but he placed his investment in the
name of his son Edward 

[CTRL] [4] Interference

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
Interference
Dan E. Moldea©1989
William Morrow and Company, Inc.
New York, NY
ISBN 0-688-08303-X
---[4]--
5
The Big Fix

ALTHOUGH BASEBALL WAS STILL king among sports gamblers, gambling on college
and professional football games had increased in popularity after World War
II, giving Bert Bell, the new NFL commissioner, more and larger headaches.

Bell had replaced Elmer Layden on January 11, 1946. Bellwho received a
three-year contract at $20,000 a year-sold his interest in the Pittsburgh
Steelers to Art Rooney so that he could accept the position. However, he
later moved the NFL's headquarters from Chicago to One Bala Avenue in
Bala-Cynwyd, just outside Philadelphia. Action had always seemed to follow
Bell, and his role with the NFL would be no different.

On December 15, 1946, just hours before the NFL championship game between the
New York Giants and the Chicago Bears, New York mayor William O'Dwyer,
district attorney Frank S. Hogan, and NFL officials announced that there had
been an attempt to fix the game. Gambler Alvin J. Paris of Elizabeth, New
Jersey, was immediately arraigned for his attempt to bribe Giants players Merl
e Hapes and Frank Filchock, the former backup quarterback for Sammy Baugh in
Washington.

Baugh told me, "Filchock was a real good football player. We got him on a
trade from Pittsburgh. He was a good passer and a smart quarterback. I
remember Mr. Marshall was talking about trading him [to the Giants in 1946].
I told him that, no matter what they did, they should never trade Filchock
because he was as good a quarterback as anybody in the league at that time."

 Baugh said that Filchock's role in the attempted fix "surprised" him.
"Filchock never got into any trouble at all at Washington as far as I knew. I
remember both Filchock and Hapes. We heard they were offered the money and
didn't report it."

During my interview with Merle Hapes, he told me, "On the day of the
championship game, Bell came with some people and picked us up. They put us
into a private room. We told them we were innocent, but their announcement
had already been made [that an attempt had been made to tamper with the
game]. We had been blackballed, and they had to do something. They didn't
want to hear what we had to say.

"Sure, I knew the man [Alvin Paris], and I couldn't lie about that. His
father [Sidney Paris, who had served four years for mail fraud] was a member
of the Elks in New York, and I was a member in Mississippi. The son asked me
if I would throw the game, and I laughed at him. I said, 'I could never do
anything like that. Forget about me.' Bell asked me if I took any money, and
I told him, 'I had nothing to do with it."'

The attempted fix had been discovered through a wiretap on Paris's telephone.
Paris was held on a $25,000 bond and was later convicted for his role in the
attempted fix.

Paris had actually fronted for three partners who were associates of Frank
Erickson and had bet at. least $20,000 on the Bears to win by ten points.
Even after the attempted fix had been uncovered, the Bears still won the
game, 24-14.

Hapes, a fullback, was benched before the game by order of Commissioner Bell.
Only Hapes's name appeared in wiretapped conversations conducted by New York
law-enforcement officials. The wiretaps indicated that past NFL games, as
well as several college basketball games, also may have been successfully
fixed. It was known that underworld figures had been wining and dining
professional and college athletes at cocktail parties and in local nightclubs.

Filchock—who denied being approached and thus was permitted to play nearly
the entire game-threw two touchdown passes and six interceptions in the
Giants' losing effort, in which the bookmakers' bets were covered. Hapes told
me, "I still can't figure out why they didn't let me play. They let Frank
play because they needed a quarterback. I was their sucker' and I'm still
damn bitter about it." Later, Filchock admitted that he had been made the
bribe offer.

Each player was to receive $2,500 to throw the game, in addition to $2,000 in
bets that would have been placed on their behalf. They were also offered
off-season jobs. The situation became the biggest public sports scandal since
the fixing of the 1919 World Series.

On the basis of Paris's statements to the district attorney, East Coast
gamblers David Krakauer, Harvey Stemmer, and Jerome Zarowitz were also
indicted and later convicted. At their sentencing, the trial judge scolded
them, saying that they had "attempted to destroy the faith and confidence of
the public in American sport."

Stemmer had been previously convicted for offering bribes to members of the
Brooklyn College basketball team.

Within twenty-four hours of the sentencing of the conspirators, both Hapes
and Filchock were suspended indefinitely by the NFL commissioner. Bell said
that the two players were "guilty of actions detrimental to the welfare of
the National League and of 

[CTRL] McVeigh's new address

[Mary K. Gemmato]

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Please Repost..
In case anyone cares..
Here is Tim McVeigh's new address.

Tim McVeigh
Reg # 12076 - 064
Hwy 63 South
Terre Haute, In. 47808

P.S. In case you have to locate a person in prison try the
prison locator number 202-307-3126

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[Kris Millegan]

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an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
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--[9a]--
9
Border Traffic

The cactus blossom is Arizona's state flower. A more appropriate symbol is
the poppy. For the Cactus Blossom State is a doper's delight. The IRE
reporters discovered that Arizona had become the major narcotics corridor in
the country. Contributing factors are a sparse population, plenty of rugged
country for cover, over two thousand clandestine landing strips for
airplanes, and U.S. 19, Arizona's main north-south expressway, which connects
with the Pan American Highway just inside Nogales, Sonora. After the 1972 ban
on opium poppies in Turkey, Mexico had become the United States' main heroin
source. From isolated mountain regions in southern Sonora and the adjoining
Mexican state of Sinaloa, opium harvested from huge poppy fields was refined
into the distinctively brown-colored heroin called "Mexican Mud." In the late
1960s it was almost impossible to find anything except the white heroin of
the Near East on U.S. streets, but by 1976 over 92 percent of all the heroin
recovered by American police was a product of Mexico.

And it was pouring across the Arizona border by the ton, smuggled in by
truck, cat, light airplanes, and even mule trains. From the modem jet
airports in Tucson and Phoenix, smugglers had direct access to every major
American city. IRE reporters surveyed federal, state, and local authorities
in each of Arizona's fourteen counties, finding that there were no more than
180 narcotics agents available to stem the narcotics flow across the state's
113,909 square miles. Conversely, reporters had come up with estimates that
as many as 800 pilots made a full-time living flying drugs out of Mexico into
Arizona. They had identified 23 major smuggling rings operating through the
corridor, made up of some 2,000 persons. At least five of the drug
organizations were wholly or partially controlled by U.S. Mafia families-one
of which was the Joseph Bonanno syndicate from Tucson, according to
officials. Before leaving New York, Bonanno's family had set up the original
French Connection for Turkish heroin. IRE reporters now had police
intelligence reports detailing a meeting in Mexico between Bonanno and
several of Mexico's leading suppliers.

 There were other documented ties between Mexican smugglers and U. S. Mafia
figures. On December 29, 197 1, a fifty-five-year-old New York man arrived in
the dusty cowtown of Douglas, Arizona, a hundred miles east of Tucson and
directly across the border from Agua Prieta, Sonora. He was  traveling under
the name Pete Patterson, but his real name was Antonio Gambino, and he was
the brother of the recently departed New York mob chieftain Carlo Gambino. In
a secret meeting with a man who turned out to be a U.S. customs informant,
Gambino said he had been sent to find a new source of supply for the East
Coast, which was then feeling the pinch of the combined U. S. -Turkish
crackdown on Near-Eastern opium. To show his good faith, Gambino flashed
$60,000, which he was carrying in his briefcase. Four days later, Gambino
hired one of the state's top drug-smuggling pilots, who introduced him to a
Mexican narcotics source. By April the next year, the ring was fully
operational. Somehow the snitch was discovered, and one night the customs
informant was taken by four Gambino associates to a desert area outside of
Tucson and shot twice in the chest.

The hard facts of the story had been gathered, written in memoranda, and
placed in the IRE files. But a closer look was in order. And the only way to
do that was to go into Mexico. Wendland and Drehsler were selected for the
trip. Neither was particularly anxious to head south of the border. They
would be totally isolated from the rest of the team. It would not be safe to
use telephones in most of the places they were going. The files noted that
the Mexican smuggling rings were a paranoid group, known to tap hotel
telephones routinely. The Mexican police in the border towns were often
corrupt and could not be counted on for help. The reporters ran the risk of
being mistaken for U.S. undercover drug agents, on whom several Mexican drug
dealers had allegedly issued an open murder contract of $1,000.

"You've got to understand that the places you are going to are totally and
completely controlled by the dopers," they were warned by a U.S. Drug
Enforcement Administration agent shortly before they left Phoenix. "Not even
the army gets in there. Every damned villager from the little kids to the
grandmothers are involved. The whole area is dependent on the drug business.
Remember, in these areas you're dealing with Mexicans who don't go anywhere
without a gun and a knife. These are dangerous, 

[CTRL] [9b] The Arizona Project

[Kris Millegan]

 -Caveat Lector-

an excerpt from:
The Arizona Project
Michael Wendland©1977
ISBN 0-8362-0728-9
Sheed Andrews and McMeel, Inc.
6700 Squibb Rd.
Misson Kansas 66202
276 pps. - first edition - out-of-print
New revised edition - available amazon.com
Paperback, 304pp.
ISBN: 0945165021
Blue Sky Press, Incorporated
June 1988
--[9b]--
The reporters drove to the American side, left the car there, and walked to
the Mexican side for some shopping. There was a welcoming party waiting for
them when they returned. The Border Patrol had found the reporters' car,
parked on a side street about six blocks from the border, and had surrounded
it. A patrol car with emergency lights flashing was parked directly behind
it. A jeep was parked in the street right next to it. A U.S. Border Patrol
agent named R. G. Ramos and three other agents were leaning against a jeep
waiting. Earlier, the reporters had encountered Ramos in downtown Nogales.
They had introduced themselves and asked a few questions. He had refused to
answer and, instead, insisted on searching the trunk of the IRE car. The
reporters had complied but were convinced that the search was simply a means
of harassing them. Ramos obviously didn't like their snooping around. He told
the reporters that if they intended to stay in the area asking questions,
they had better "clear" their activities with his superiors because his
agency didn't want to be portrayed in a bad light. The reporters told him
they had no intention of "clearing" their questions with anyone. Ramos
stalked off, looking angry. And now he was waiting at the IRE car. He looked
like he meant business.

"You looking for us?" Drehsler asked as they approached the agents.

"Yeah," answered Ramos. "Open your trunk."

"Again? We've already gone this route today," said Wendland.

"Just open it."

"What's this all about?"

"We have reason to believe that you have illegal contraband," replied Ramos.
"We had a tip that when you went back up to the hole in the fence, someone
from the other side tossed you a sack."

"That's pure bullshit," said Wendland. "You're making the story up just to
hassle us."

"I'm not going to ask you again. Open that trunk."

It was ridiculous arguing with them. Drehsler found the key and popped
the trunk. Ramos went through everything, opening suit- cases, searching the
tire wells, looking through the pockets of the reporters' clothing. Finding
nothing, he went to the inside of the car and began a similar search of the
glove compartment, the seats, even under the vinyl carpeting. Wendland pulled
out his camera and focused on Ramos.

"Hold it," warned another agent. "You can't do that."

"The hell I can't," said Wendland, turning to also photograph the other
agent, who quickly displayed his backside.

Ramos spent nearly fifteen minutes going over the car. He found nothing. He
didn't say a word when he finished. Instead, he got back in his car and drove
off, followed by the other agents in the jeep.

"What the hell do you make of that?" Wendland asked his partner. The incident
unnerved them, not because there was any chance the agents would have found
anything but because the search had given them an opportunity to plant
something on the reporters' car which would conveniently be "found" by
another crew of agents. The reporters spent ten minutes checking each area
Ramos had examined, making sure that the agent hadn't left anything behind.

It was three o'clock, time to make a telephone call.

Drehsler's wife was from the Mexican town of Agua Prieta, one of several
Arizona border cities used as major smuggling centers. Before leaving
Phoenix, Drehsler had called his wife's brother, tactfully explaining their
need to meet and talk with a couple of narcotics smugglers. The brother had
agreed to help, though he could not guarantee anything on such sensitive
matters. Drehsler was to call back to see what could be arranged.

Three hours later, after a meeting had been arranged for seven o'clock that
night, they were in the small cowboy town of Douglas, crossing over the
Mexican border into Agua Prieta, a smaller and much neater version of
Nogales. The reporters arrived at the restaurant-cantina designated as the
meeting place ten minutes early. They ordered Mexican beer and soup and had
to wait less than five minutes.

Alex's brother-in-law, a tall, slim man of about thirty, came in. He was
alone and greeted Alex in Spanish. They talked for a few minutes about family
before getting to the matter at hand. The brother-in-law had found two men,
brothers, who would help the reporters out. The brothers were top smugglers,
using a small resale business they ran as a cover for traveling throughout
Mexico and the southwestern United States. There were conditions to the
interview. The reporters were not to directly identify them in print and, if
possible, were to obscure their descriptions so that authorities reading
about them in the States would not be able to identify them from the
newspaper 

[CTRL] Clinton and Mubarak

[pennie hammons]

 -Caveat Lector-

PRESIDENT CLINTON PRESSURES EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT ON OSLO TALKS November 1,
1999

The World Tribune reported: "Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak appears on the
verge of agreeing to attend the Middle East peace summit in Oslo on Tuesday,
Arab diplomats said on Sunday. The diplomats said Mubarak discussed his
attendance at Oslo during a phone call on Saturday with U.S. President Bill
Clinton. Clinton urged Mubarak to reverse his decision to boycott the Oslo
summit with Israel and the Palestinian Authority amid tensions between Cairo
and Washington. Hours later, Foreign Minister Amr Mussa said Egypt would
attend the Oslo summit but did not say whether Mubarak would participate.
U.S. officials have rejected Egypt's original plans to send Mussa instead of
Mubarak to the summit. Mussa on Saturday met Egypt's ambassador to Israel,
Mohammed Bassiouny, and the two men denied any rift between Cairo and
Israel. Bassiouny again denied remarks attributed to Defense Minister
Hussein Tantawi that warned of a possible war with Israel. Relations between
Egypt and the United States have been tense over the last few weeks amid
disputes regarding the Middle East peace process, arms proliferation and
Sudan's civil war. On Sunday, the London-based A-Sharq al-Awsat reported
that efforts will continue to improve relations between Egypt and the United
States..."



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[CTRL] Big Quake in Mississippi Valley Is Serious Threat

[Tatman, Robert]

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Researchers: Big Quake in Mississippi Valley Is Serious Threat

2.00 p.m. ET (1900 GMT) November 4, 1999

By Paul Recer

WASHINGTON (AP) - Researchers say a fault in the center of the country is
creeping toward a major earthquake and should be considered a serious threat
sometime during the next 500 years or so.

A new study finds the New Madrid seismic zone on the Missouri-Tennessee
border is moving at the rate of about six millimeters a year, enough to
produce a 7.2 magnitude earthquake every 500 years, or a 7.5 magnitude quake
every 1,000 years.

"Our evidence shows that the New Madrid seismic zone is indeed a threat,"
said Karl Mueller, a geologist at the University of Colorado, Boulder, and
the first author of study appearing Friday in the journal Science.

"For the first time we can see how fast the earthquake engine is running and
how long it takes to build up energy for a quake," he said.

A fault system called New Madrid extends through Arkansas, Missouri,
Tennessee, Kentucky and Illinois. It jolted the continent with a series of
quakes in 1811 and 1812 that were powerful enough to ring bells as far away
as Boston.

Based on his new research, Mueller estimated the magnitude of those 19th
century quakes at about 7.5, powerful enough to do major and extensive
damage to any nearby city. At the time, the area of the earthquake was
sparsely populated, with few manmade structures to be affected, but
aftershocks from that series of jolts are still occurring.

Mueller and his co-authors from the University of Arkansas and from a Walnut
Creek, Calif., company, William Lettis and Associates, analyzed the motion
of the New Madrid fault by digging deep trenches along one section. This
revealed folding in sediments caused by the movement along the underlying
fault. By dating the deformed sediments and then measuring the amount of
folding, the researchers could estimate how much the fault had moved over
many centuries.

The slip rate, said Mueller, is about six millimeters a year, or about 45
feet over the last 2,300 years. Eventually, that slippage will build up a
crustal strain that will be suddenly released, causing an earthquake, he
said.

Mueller said there are no major cities in the immediate vicinity of Lake
County, Tenn., where the fault measurements were taken, but he believes a
major quake there would be enough to collapse levees along the nearby
Mississippi River and to cause some damage as far away as Memphis.

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[CTRL] Pacific Islands Say Global Warming Takes Its Toll

[Tatman, Robert]

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Pacific Islands Say Global Warming Takes Its Toll

1.23 p.m. ET (1823 GMT) November 4, 1999

By Clare Nullis

BONN, Germany (AP)- Drinking water has been contaminated. Once pristine
beaches have been devastated by lashing waves and cyclones. Entire villages
have been forced from their coastal homes.

Small island states in the Pacific have no need to read studies about the
impact of climate change. For them, the nightmarish scenarios are becoming
reality.

"We ask that you consider our plight and act responsibly to give us a chance
to start the new millennium on a happy note," said Pokotoa Sipeli, the
minister of environment for Niue, a small island in the South Pacific with a
population of 5,000.

He made his appeal to delegates from industrialized countries at a U.N.
climate change conference in Bonn, adding: "I sincerely hope that I won't
have to wake up in the middle of the night in the middle of the ocean
because you have failed to do your part."

The Bonn meeting is debating technical measures to implement promises by
industrialized countries to cut their emissions of greenhouse gases, like
carbon dioxide, that are believed responsible for global warming.

The European Union wants rapid action, while the United States says it is
committed to tackling climate change but will not be bound by artificial
deadlines or limits. Big oil producers like Saudi Arabia, whose export
earnings will likely slump if the world switches to cleaner forms of energy,
are worried about the effect of even limited action.

The meeting is not expected to reach any concrete decisions. And it will
take years before the impact of any measures is felt.

Many scientists agree that the melting of ice caps is likely to lead to a
rise in sea levels in the coming years. They also predict that as global
warming upsets the delicate balance of nature, there will be an increase in
the number and severity of hurricanes and cyclones - of the type that
devastated part of eastern India last week.
In Tonga, a collection of 175 small islands in the South Pacific, the rise
in sea levels has already contaminated the drinking water supply of the
central and northern islands. That, along with frequent drought, has
required the shipment of drinking water to the islands for the past two
years, said Tonga representative Taniella Tukia.

Strong winds and salt water spray have cut agricultural production and
warming waters have affected fish supplies, he said.

"The erosion of our beaches are perhaps the most physical loss to our
natural tourist amenities," he said.

Rising seas have covered low-lying coconut plantations in Vanuatu, while
Palau's stunning coral reefs have been devastated, delegates said.

In Niue, breadfruit trees, which supply a staple food, once produced fruit
for three months of the year. Now, however, they were developing fruit all
year, but the immature fruit was dropping off the trees before it ripened,
said Sipeli.

Karibaiti Toaoba of Kiribati said some villages had already been forced to
move inland because of worsening coastal erosion.

"Time is running out for us," she said.

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[CTRL] Chimpanzees More Genetically Diverse Than Humans

[Tatman, Robert]

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Chimpanzees More Genetically Diverse Than Humans

2.00 p.m. ET (1900 GMT) November 4, 1999

By Maggie Fox

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Chimpanzees are far more genetically diverse than
human beings are, researchers said on Thursday, a finding that has
implications both for efforts to conserve endangered chimps and for learning
more about human origins.

A team of German genetic experts said their findings bolster suggestions
that current human populations date back to some sort of "bottleneck" in
evolution just a few hundred thousand years ago.

Henrik Kaessmann and Svante Paabo of the Max-Planck-Institute for
Evolutionary Anthropology in Leipzig, Germany, compared the genes of both
species of chimpanzees, as well as three subspecies.

"The results show a strikingly lower amount of variation in humans than in
chimps," Paabo said in a statement.

"The simplest explanation for this is that at some rather recent point in
the past, humans have been few in numbers. From a genetic point of view,
this point could be the origin of modern humans."

Scientists make comparisons between humans and chimps because they are our
closest cousins, sharing more than 98 percent of our DNA.

All animals have unique variations in genes from individual to individual.
This variation can be meaningless, or can make the difference in, for
instance, susceptibility to disease.

Writing in the journal Science, Kaessmann's team said they examined genes
from the three recognized subspecies of chimps - central African
chimpanzees, western African chimpanzees and Eastern African chimpanzees.

They also looked at bonobos, commonly known as dwarf chimpanzees.

They looked at one gene called Xq13.3, which is found on the X chromosome,
one of the two chromosomes related to sex. It has no known function, but it
is known to have a low mutation rate and has been well studied in people.

They found Xq13.3 has almost four times as many variants and is three times
as old in chimps as in humans.

This supports other studies that find humans are extremely closely related
to one another genetically despite what geneticists consider to be arbitrary
designations of "race."

The researchers assumed that chimpanzees and humans diverged from a common
ancestor 5 million years ago, and made comparisons.

It is possible to estimate how long ago the animals in a common population
had a common ancestor by looking at the rate of mutations in a gene. This is
one method used to determine the age of the "ancestral Eve" from whom all
humans are theoretically descended.

This has been done with both humans and chimpanzees using a form of DNA
called mitochondrial DNA. The German team's use of Xq13.3 came up with
different estimates.

They determined that the most common ancestor of chimps lived 1.4 million
years ago, while humans can date their genetic Adam and Eve to just 450,000
years ago.

Mitochondrial DNA research suggests the human Eve lived about 200,000 years
ago. Scientists will have to work this all out but Kaessmann and colleagues
said it is the differences between humans and chimpanzees, not the absolute
number of years, that matter in their work.

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[CTRL] Fox News 24/7 Show

[Bob Stokes]

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Robert Sterling
Editor, The Konformist
http://www.konformist.com


24/7 -- Email FOX/FNC!!!
TamKay24

Hi Patriots!!

CONTACT FOX/FNC!!  Say you want 24/7 on FOX !!

Contact FOX:
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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Here's the Phone # !!!  (Also Fax and Snail):

  Roger Ailes, Fox News CEO
  Janet Alshouse, Fox News Director
  1211 Avenue of the Americas NY NY 10036

  Phone 1-212-301-3000   Fax  1-212-301-4224 or 1-212-301-8273

SHOW INFO:

" 24 / 7 "

Mission Statement...

We're proposing a one-hour News Magazine along the lines of "60 Minutes"
with several anchors and seven to eight investigative reporters.  In-depth
reporting of scandals either missed or hidden by the other broadcast media
that would be aired during prime time on FOX Channel or on FNC
(FOX News Channel) possibly Sunday evenings at 7:00 p.m.  And that's right,
we're talking about taking on "60 Minutes" head on!!  So we appreciate
anything you can do to help up get this show on FOX, and also your viewing
when we get this ground-breaking, much-needed show on the air!!

PROBABLE NAME:  " 24 / 7 "

BRIEF TAGLINE:   "60 Minutes That Will Change Your Life"

RATINGS AND SUPPORT:  We have signed up journalists and experienced
investigative reporters whose stories are reported daily to millions of
Americans on Internet, Radio and via Video Production Companies. We
expect to generate large support among this audience prior to the first show
airing and anticipate extremely large viewership and ratings.  We plan to
create
a large PR Internet/Radio Campaign to strongly support this show via World
Net Daily, NewsMax.com, Talk Radio, and via many additional Websites who
will link to our " 24 / 7 " Website!!

GROUNDBREAKING: We have investigators and journalists working to bring
forward a second woman alleging Clinton raped her and we're investigating the
many additional cases of Clinton rape, assault, and harrassment allegations.
We've got one of the top experts on the Canada Tainted Blood story. We have
journalists working on investigations of the numerous, mysterious deaths
connected to Clinton activities and then, stories are expected about
Chinagate,
Waco, the Oklahoma City bombing, Chemtrails, and so much more!!

TALENT SIGNED UP:
---
RITA COSBY -- FOX NEWS  Investigative Reporter.
   Probable anchor on the show. Working with us on Pitch to FOX!
---
CARL CAMERON -- FOX NEWS  Investigative Reporter.  (Already busy
   at FNC, however, could possibly provide segments when they correspond to
   information he's gathering in his FNC roles.

RON BAIN, Ex-CBS Vice President -- From Gary Sheler email:
   "Ron is very well able to A) place it on air B) Get advertisers to
   support it, and C) promote the hell out of it."

CHRIS RUDDY, Editor/Writer, NewsMax.com
   Expert on the Vince Foster death and very respected reporter involved
   in the new Internet Journalism.

CARL LIMBACHER, Reporter, NewsMax.com - Articles on at least
   four alleged Clinton rape victims and provides consistent
   ground-breaking reports on Clinton scandals.

PAT MATRISCIANA, Producer: Clinton Chronicles, Obstruction of Justice.

CLIFF KINCAID, Author/Investigative Journalist; Radio talk-show host and
 commentator on "Media Monitor."

STEPHAN ARCHER, Journalist, WorldNetDaily

DAVID BRESNAHAN, Investigative Journalist, WorldNetDaily. Most of his
   articles can be accessed at his website: talkusa.com

DAVID HOFFMAN, Publisher, Haight Ashbury Free Press
   Author of "The Oklahoma City Bombing and the Politics of Terror"
   ... Available in most major book stores, including Amazon Books.

MIKE MCCARTHY  Radio Talk Host, Canadian Expert on the Blood Scandal,

JON DOUGHERTY  Journalist, WorldNetDaily, has had own Radio Show, and
   was Founder/Editor of USA Journal, an Internet News Magazine.

CLAIRE WOLFE  Journalist, WorldNetDaily

GARY SHELER  Radio Newsman, Radio Writer, PR Expert, sold Radio Advertising
   and greatly increased the number of stations for a news wire service.
-
MIKE ROGERS   Freelance Radio/TV Journalist, Producer.
   Pitches material to TV/Radio, including the TV Big 5, all the time.
-
SUZAN TAYLOR   Former Miss Colorado, Public Relations
-
MIKE RIVERO  Freelance Journalist, Web Designer, Television Graphics
Expert, Member of (TV Organization), Most of his articles can be
accessed at his website: (link)

[CTRL] Doctors discover secret of Alien 'baby'

[Tatman, Robert]

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=000432752732526rtmo=02NbRKrqatmo=
pg=/et/99/11/4/nalien04.html

Doctors discover secret of Alien 'baby'

By Sam Wallace

A RUBBER toy alien found on a station platform was taken to hospital after
it was mistaken for a human foetus. London Underground's Buckhurst Hill
station in Essex was closed after the Alien Egg figure was discovered by a
station cleaner.

The toys are about 4ins long and covered in a slimy jelly substance. The
figures, which are sold in an egg-shaped pod, are curled up in a foetal
position. A spokesman for the London Ambulance Service said that the
Metropolitan Police, who were concerned that there could have been a
suspicious death, had alerted paramedics.

He said: "No one was taking any chances. It's easy to judge in retrospect
but everyone was very worried about what might have happened. We took the
item to hospital so a doctor could have a proper look. He declared it an
alien toy."

A spokesman for the British Transport Police said the toy was quite
convincing: "If it can leave paramedics with room for doubt then its going
to have to be fairly lifelike."

The aliens, made by H Grossman in Glasgow, cost £1.99 and are tipped to be
one of the most popular toys this Christmas. Already seven million have been
sold and 3.5 million are expected to be bought before Christmas.

Martin Grossman, the firm's managing director, said the aliens were not
realistic: "I don't know how on earth a neon green or metallic grey alien
with massive ears, three fingers and its legs stuck together can look like a
baby. They come in lots of variations but never flesh colour."

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[CTRL] [Fwd: Fw: The State Legislatures sanctioned and approved World Government]

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 From: Joyce Rosenwald [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 1943-1945
 
  The State Legislatures sanctioned and approved World Government
 during the period of 1940 to 1949 three times.  During the period 1940 to
 1945, the State Legislatures sanctioned and approved the United Nations
 organization before ratification by the President and Senate on July 28,
 1945.  The American people were not aware of this legislation as it was
 never intended to be publicized to any extent.  Further, the people were
 never afforded an opportunity to vote on this legislation.
  The United Nations Organization Resolution was presented to the
 legislatures during the years 1940 to 1945.  It is to be noted that there
 were three instruments.  This caused confusion and misunderstanding by
 the people, because the World Government Resolution has been repealed by
 almost all the states.  However, the United Nations Resolution and the
 World Federalist Resolution are still on the books.  (Check the records
 of your legislature for these resolutions.)
  In effect, the State Legislatures ratified the United Nations
 Organization
 and World Government.  By doing so, they repealed, set aside, supplanted
 and substituted the Constitution and Government of these United States
 with the United Nations Charter and the United Nations Organization.
  Below is a copy of the document providing for a declaration of the
 Federation of the World approved by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania in
 1943.
 
 HISTORY OF SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTIONS
 (COMMONWEALTH OF PENNSYLVANIA)
 
 SENATE CONCURRENT RESOLUTION
 Serial No. 113. (Not printed). Legislative Journal page 711.
 By Messrs.  FARRELL, CARR and WOODRING
 PROVIDING FOR A DECLARATION OF THE FEDERATION OF THE WORLD
 
 In the senate, March 9, 1943.
 
 WHEREAS, it is necessary at the present juncture of human affairs to
 enlarge the bases of organized society by establishing a government for
 the community of nations. In order to preserve civilization and enable
 mankind to live in peace and be free, the following principles and
 objectives are hereby  enunciated in
 
 THE DECLARATION OF THE FEDERATION OF THE WORLD
 
 Man,  the source of all political authority, is  a manifold political
 being. He is a citizen  of several communities: the city, the state  the
 nation and the world. To each of these communities, he owes inalienable
 obligations and from each he receives enduring benefits.
 
 Communities  may exist for a time without being incorporated but under
 the stress of adversity, they disintegrate unless legally organized.
 Slowly but purposefully through the centuries,  civilization has united
 the world, integrating its diverse local interests and creating an
 international community that now embraces every region and every person
 on the globe. This community has no government,  and communities
 without governments  perish.  Either this community must succumb to
 anarchy or submit to the restraints of law and order.
 
 Governments can only be established through the deliberate efforts of
 men.At this hour two elemental forces are struggling to organize the
 international community:  totalitarianism  and democracy. The former, a
 recent version of  repudiated  militarism and tyranny,   is predicated
 upon the principle of compulsion, rules through  dictatorship and
 enslaves men;  the latter, a proved  bulwark of the rights of man as
 human being and as a citizen, drives its authority from the consent of
 the governed, embodies the will of free men and  renders their
 collective judgements supreme in human affairs. The corner stone of
 totalitarianism is the ethnographic state,  whose restricted interests
 define the scope of its favor; the foundation of democracy is man
 whose integrity is inviolable and whose welfare is its primary concern.
 The motivating power of  the former violence; of the latter freedom.  One
 feeds upon unscrupulous ambition; the other upon an enlightened sense
 of obligation.
 
 One or the other of these forces will now triumph and govern mankind.
 The present conflict is irrepressible and decisive. It is the challenge
 of the ages to the generation of today, and represents those spiritually
 cosmic forces which visit the world at critical periods in human history
 to shape the destinies of men. This world cannot remain half-slave,
 half-free; half totalitarian, half democratic. The laws of civilized
 society prevent intercourse between slaves and free men from being
 either congenial or profitable. If totalitarianism wins this conflict,
 the world will be ruled by tyrants, and individuals will be slaves. If
 democracy wins, the nations of the earth will be united in a
 

Re: [CTRL] EgyptAir Anomalies? No Credit Terrorism

[YnrChyldzWyld]

 -Caveat Lector-

On Wed, 3 Nov 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I heard a "terrorism expert" on Fox News state that taking
credit for terrorist acts is a thing of the past.  The Echelon
system, he alleged, makes it very difficult to for anyone to
"take credit" without setting-up an electronic trail for the
authorities.

But then the whole "raison d'etre" for the act itself disappears
an act of terrorism only makes sense if the ones responsible can point to
it and say "See what we are capable of?", and then use that to blackmail
whatever government or society they are seeking to overthrow...


Then, the morning host asked a great question:  What
would our government's response be to terrorism under
these conditions of "no credit being taken".  The expert
refused to answer!  He said he would rather not speculate.

How about "denial that terrorism happened?"

Again, such a stance then negates the whole reason for terrorism in the
first place...it then becomes just a random 'act of God', 'fluke of
nature', or 'possible incompetence'...

Terrorists themselves would have nothing to gain by not taking credit for
successful acts, but the government/society against which such acts are
perpetated definitely has much to gain by discounting such events as
being the works of terrorists.


June ;-)

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[CTRL] Skeptic News - Thursday #3

[Ric Carter]

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SkeptiNews 991104c - - - - - - - - - - - All The News That's Fit To Question

: Passages starting with ':' are editorial comments to provoke discussion.
: Nothing contained here is ever endorsed for truth, accuracy, or meaning.
: No Millennial Bras were burnt in protest to produce this bulletin. Yet.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

@ Planets: Unknown  Known: http://caus.org/pn102099.htm
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Neo-Pagan Movement Is Bewitching To Many. (NYTimes) Encouraged by federal
  court rulings recognizing witchcraft as a legal religion, an increasing
  number of books on the subject, and the continuing cultural concern for
  the environment, Wicca - as contemporary witchcraft is often called - has
  been growing in the United States and abroad. It is a major element in a
  growing "neo-pagan" movement whose members regard nature itself as charged
  with divinity. http://www.deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,125012725,00.html

: Are you neo/paleo pagan? Is environmentalism your religion? When humanity
moves into space, will you stay behind? Will we miss you? Will you miss us?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Russia power to be manual on Y2K. MOSCOW (AP) Russia's electric monopoly
  will shift its huge grid to manual control Dec. 31 to ensure it avoids
  millennium bug outages. They are 95% ready for the date flip-over. See
  http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561912604-a5e

# Lingerie-Maker Shows 'Millennium Bra.' TOKYO (Reuters) A German lingerie
  maker unveiled a 24-carat, diamond-studded "Millennium Bra" in what it
  dubbed an effort to bring the timeless beauty of ancient Egypt to the
  dawn of the new age. http://news.excite.com/news/r/991104/07/odd-bra

: Are you prepared for Y2K? Do you have ancient Egyptian diamonds in your
bra? Are you manually controlled? Have you considered all the risks? How?

# Why Risky Decisions May Be Hard For Elderly. LONDON (Reuters) Elderly
  people may be easy prey for confidence tricksters and fraudulent
  advertising because age-related damage to their brains impairs their
  judgement: http://news.excite.com/news/r/991104/05/science-aging-risk
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

Art Bell: Crop Circles: http://www.artbell.com/circles.html
Art of Crop Circles: http://www.engl.virginia.edu/~enwr1013/Tim/tmh7m2.html
British Crop Circles: http://members.tripod.com/~crop_circle/
Busty Taylor Crop Circles: http://www.aviation-uk.com/cropper/98busty2.htm
Circlemakers - England's crop circle makers: http://www.circlemakers.org/
Crop Circle Connector: http://cropcircleconnector.com/anasazi/connect.html
Crop Circle Reports: http://www.wavefront.com/~jhenry/cropc.htm
Crop Circles: http://indigo.ie/~dcd/frame.htm
Crop Circles Explorer: http://www.qac.com.au/circle1.htm
Crop Circles: Heavenly Angelic Forms of Communication - from the teachings
  of Buddha Maitreya: http://www.bogo.co.uk/etheric/home.html
Finland's Center of Circles Info: http://martian.webjump.com/fcci
Satellite Photo of Marree Man: http://www.geocities.com/TheTropics/Bay/3925
UFO, Bigfoot  Crop Circles Museum: http://www.crossfields.com/~ufomus/
Usenet - alt.paranormal.crop-circles: news:alt.paranormal.crop-circles

: What's your favorite crop-circle? What does it indicate? Are you sure?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# New high global temperatures forecast. LONDON (UPI) Global temperatures
  will rise far higher than previously predicted, British researchers said
  hotly: http://news.excite.com/news/u/991104/11/science-globalwarming

# Frankencorn safe for some monarchs. ROSEMONT, Ill.(AP) Genetically altered
  corn may not pose as great a threat to monarch butterflies as previously
  thought. But current research on the corn's toxicity is not yet extensive
  enough to determine any conclusive impact on monarchs, regents, dauphins -
  see http://www.infobeat.com/stories/cgi/story.cgi?id=2561906389-332

# Superbug death toll rises. (BBC) Hong Kong's medical authorities are on
  the alert for further cases involving an antibiotic-resistant "superbug"
  which has now killed four in the former colony. Are they all doomed?
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/health/newsid_504000/504599.stm

: What's your favorite environmental/populational threat? Have you put any
bioemes at risk lately? Which lifeforms would you most like to be extinct?
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _

# Mad Deer Disease: Can Venison Kill You? A fatal brain disease is spreading
  in deer  elk -- and hunters are dying from a very similar illness. The
  deer/elk disease is called Chronic Wasting Disease (CWD), closely related
  to Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (CJD), which is what killed the hunters. Both
  CJD and CWD are classified as "transmissible spongiform encephalopathies"
  (TSE) and are related to bovine spongiform chronic encephalopathy (BSE),
  dubbed "Mad Cow Disease." http://www.sightings.com/health3/venisons.htm

: Do you eat red meat? Has your brain turned spongy yet? Was it already
spongy? Has anyone devoured your flesh? Have their brains gone bad yet?
_ _ _ _ _ 

[CTRL] IS Mars the Bermuda Triangle of the solar system?

[Para]

 -Caveat Lector-

September 25 1999
BRITAIN


 http://www.the-times.co.uk/news/pages/Saturday-Times/timnwsnws01021.html?999


 Vanishing Mars craft mystery

  BY NIGEL HAWKES, SCIENCE EDITOR
  IS Mars the Bermuda Triangle of the solar system? The
  disappearance of the £75 million Mars Climate Orbiter
  has reinforced the red planet's reputation as a spacecraft
  gobbler.

  Billions of pounds-worth of hardware bound for Mars has
  either lost contact with Earth, crashed, disappeared or
  failed to get off the launch pad.

  The last big US failure, the $980 million Mars Observer,
  which went silent just three days from the planet in 1993,
  caused such anguish that the US space agency Nasa
  changed its whole philosophy.

  Out went the old-fashioned, high-cost spacecraft. In came
  the "cheaper, better, faster" philosophy of the head of
  Nasa, Dan Goldin.

  Now one of his new-style 'cheapos' has gone exactly the
  same way.

  Counting how much has been lost is impossible. Many of
  the failures came from the Soviet Union at a time when
  nobody, not even them, knew what they were costing.

  But the last three - Mars Observer and Mars Climate
  Orbiter from the US, and Mars 96 from Russia - cost
  almost £900 million and they are only three of 18
  documented failures.

  The unhappiest man yesterday was Fred Taylor, of
  Oxford University, who developed the radiometer on
  Mars Climate Orbiter which was intended to give a
  detailed picture of Martian weather. The instrument
  originally flew on Mars Observer, and was also lost.

  Nobody yet knows what scuppered Mars Climate
  Orbiter, but it appears to have approached the planet too
  close and burned up in the atmosphere, broken apart, or
  crashed.

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Re: [CTRL] Fw: [2ndrepoftexas] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition of God.

[Franklin Wayne Poley]

 -Caveat Lector-

"According to God ALL humans are illegal" you write below. OK, I grant you
that compared to Someone who has created the universe with its billions of
stars x billions of galaxies (just for starters) we are more lowly than
monkeys in a zoo who sense that there is a human keeper beyond the bars.
Still, we read in Ottawa's Commons Debates from 1981, Doug Roche, MP's
reference to a "Godless society" so by contrast we would expect there to be
a "Godly society". Even a primate like me can figure that out. Is there more
to all this than a lot of bananas we ask cogently?
   Professor Mellert who got the October cover story of The Futurist
(http://www.wfs.org/futurist.htm) suggests that the future of religion is
that of a highly relativistic God. Well, I guess it depends on your beliefs.
And it depends on the TRUTHthe ABSOLUTE TRUTH.
   In any case, I have been saying via Life Gazette, as tabloid in the 80's
and online now, that this is the electric cool-aid acid test for "Religion
Experts". And I believe it proves that at least Western churchianity from
Protestant to Roman Catholic is a giant FRAUD. Vatican is an INSTITUTION OF
LIARS. It would be easy to prove me wrong.
Look, this is easy to understand:

FOR A PROFESSED RELIGION EXPERT FROM SALVATION ARMY TO ROMAN CATHOLIC TO NOT
KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "GODLY SOCIETY" AND AN "UNGODLY SOCIETY" IS
LIKE A DENTIST NOT KNOWING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A HEALTHY TOOTH AND AN
UNHEALTHY TOOTH.

In 1891, Vatican made a call for a socio-economic-political "reformation"
and that document, titled RERUM NOVARUM has been "updated" with the vanities
of popocrats ever since. Yet no articulation of a "Godly society" has been
made. THIS IS PROOF OF A CENTURY OF FRAUD.

Now Vatican is about to send its Numero Uno Liar, the pope, to India and
Iraq. The motto of the Times of India is "Let Truth Prevail". And Jesus
Christ said, "I came to tell the truth". So let us hear from Numero Uno how
his billion subjects on the planet with all their expertise would spell out
"Babylon II". Just across the sand, Kuwait is planning Subia, a brand new
city for 260,000. Why not combine something old and something new? Build a
brand new city, Babylon II, around the Babylon Restoration Project.
This would be a GODLY SOCIETY. The Russians might even like it as a shining
light unto the nations, a multi-national city centre for their "Multi-Poley"
World Model as an antidote to the depraved US-led New World Order.
FWP.

-Original Message-
From: JAH Publications [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thursday, November 04, 1999 10:42 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] Fw: [2ndrepoftexas] Fw: [LIFE-GAZETTE] BC's Definition
of God.


 -Caveat Lector-

According to God ALL human laws are illegal.

Therefore The Bible is the ONLY Law Book on Earth.

Deuteronomy 4:1 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the Statutes and unto
 the Judgments, which I teach you, for to DO [them], that ye may
 LIVE, and go in and possess the land which the "I AM" God of your
 fathers giveth you.
4:2 Ye shall not ADD unto the word which I command you, neither
 shall ye diminish [ought] from it, that ye may keep the
 Commandments of the "I AM" your God which I COMMAND you.

During the British Coronation the Archbishop places The Bible in the hands
of the British monarch saying: "Our gracious king/queen, we present you
with
this Book, the most valuable thing that this world affords. Here is Wisdom.
This is the Royal Law. These are the lively oracles of God."

The monarch swears to uphold The Law (PLEASE read Deuteronomy 17:14-20).

Canadians are all Israelites by birth, being descended from the Ten "Lost"
Tribes of Israel and all Israelites signed The Covenant with God at Horeb
in
Sinai and must now return to keeping only God's Laws in order to defeat the
NWO or perish.

Please see Malachi 4 below for proof.

With that in mind please read and act on the following to help me to
recover
The "Lost" Ark of The Covenant from its secret hiding-place on the Hill of
Tara (Torah) in County Meath in Ireland.

COPY

Dear General Gene,

Thank you very much for your latest email. I am extremely glad to hear
that,
unlike most so-called christians, you have actually understood correctly
about the Wisdom of The Law. You are perfectly correct about the abolition
of only the animal substitution Sacrificial Laws, which were only a
school-teacher to bring men to Christ and were replaced by the daily taking
up of the cross of "Self"-sacrifice. The national and moral Laws however,
as
you correctly state are, like The Covenant, eternal.

In order to prove that to everyone and return the world to decency and
morality it is necessary to return to The Law of God, exactly as He says on
the last page of the Old Covenant / Testament in Malachi 4, exactly as you
have agreed with in your letter to me. As part of that, it is my personal
job to recover The Ark of The Covenant which contains The Law and The Two
Tablets 

[CTRL] Justice

[JAH Publications]

Dear Andre,

The punishment is not supposed to fit the crime. 
Punishment is supposed to prevent the crime from happening.

Prevention is better than cure. Why do you think 
America built a nuclear deterrent. So it wouldn't have to use it.

Enough said?

Peace be upon you,

JAH.

P.S. Who do you think knows most about Justice and 
what is best for you and America ("In God we trust"), you; the founding fathers; 
or God? Serious question. Does America really trust in God or is that just a 
another trendy cliche?

Re: [CTRL] Christians Unwelcome in Israel

[Prudence L. Kuhn]

 -Caveat Lector-

In a message dated 11/03/1999 1:19:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  "Rabbis view Christian festivities in Israel as a threat to the Jewish
  foundations of the state.  They are claiming that even Christmas trees
  'defile Judaism.' 

It would seem that the rabbis agree with Christ in this case.  I don;t know
who is defiling whom, since I don't know whether they are agreeing with Him
or He with they.  Prudy

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[CTRL] Secret Societies

[Bard]

Folks, This Website is worth a visit;  you might learn something.

Explore this site, research our materials,
check with other sources and come to your
own conclusions.

http://www.4rie.com/secretsocieties.html
--
"Love your neighbor, but pull not down your hedge."
-- George Herbert, 1623 - 1662

"Stop stealing my earnings
 that you use to give to those
 you know will vote for you."
-- Bard

You can wax on about freedom.
You can whine about government rules.
But the only way to change the way things
are is to take action against
the Tyranny traipsing all over American lives.

If "pro" is the opposite of "con," what's the opposite of "progress"?

Republicans trust (or use to) the people;
Democrats trust government.
Fools trust politicians.

MAY ALMIGHTY GOD FORGIVE THOSE WHO ELECTED BILL CLINTON!

If you'all like being screwed, then you'll enjoy
a visit to the following Link which appears in my
Homepage:

http://members.aol.com/FTUN/index.html

Read what our blood-sucking Masters have done to our "Original Money
(coin)".

--

Our only means to secure our Freedom is the Ballot Box.
Our only means to enforce our Freedom is the Jury Box.
Our only means to defend our Freedom is the Powder Box.

BeLIEve nothing, disbeLIEve nothing, observe everything,
and the unknown becomes the known.
-

"Thou Shall Not Steal!"
   because the federal thugs don't Like the Competition!
--- Anonymous
--

"A barking dog is often more useful than a sleeping lion."
--- Washington Irving

"That Freedom Shall Not Perish."
http://www.jbs.org


God bless the Republic of the United States of America!

VII. Thou Shalt Not Steal.
because the Feds don't like the competition!

Visit me at:
http://www.xld.com/public/center/center.htm

Bard
Title: Secret Societies

























Global Union Conspiracy 
Brief description of the Elite Conspiracy 
Bilderbergs Conspiracy
Council on Foreign Relations Conspiracy
Trilateral Commission Conspiracy
Skull  Bones Society
Bohemian Club  Bohemian Grove
The Wealthiest in the World

Re: [CTRL] egypt air, infowar, mind contol, drugs, cult of occult

[Dave]

 -Caveat Lector-

"reality"

Is likely a bigger thing that any -one- of us concieves.

CONSENSUAL reality is bought and sold daily.

One can easily choose a personal reality which is in denial of a larger
reality. (actually not "optional" .. definitive of personal cognitive
mapping.)

This SHOULD be plainly clear to researchers who've discovered intricate webs
of covert government supported deceit... which 99.9% of the population is in
a combination of ignorance  denial of due in large part to
acculturation performed by the culture of occult-Uration

There is clearly SOME relativity in the interconnectedness of occult
practices ...

Interesting that "downed" airplanes and "terrorism" and a police state all
serve centralized occult (hidden)  power. In a very similar way to the way
in which drug-war serves to break down personal freedoms.
Interesting that mind control is practiced in every conceivable fashion by
centralized occult power-  also interesting that this "hidden" (occulted)
power uses occult (satanist) practices in some of it's (occult, hidden,
covert) programs and operations.
Interesting that drugs themselves have always been somewhat associated with
exploring the occult (hidden) side of cognitive experience- and are also
associated with occult (connotations of "evil"  satanist) rituals,  with
the aforementioned mind control agenda in many of their forms, including the
"drugging of the masses" form of mind control and social engineering.
Interesting that the centralized occult power is obsessed with demonizing
"the occult sciences" (Wicca, Magick, and "black sheep" satanism- which has
remarkable parallels to "covert" social control on all levels), demonizing
"recreational drugs" (while heavily selling the drug-paradigm of
"medicine"), demonizing "cults" (except their own cult of occult), using
their occult power (several levels) to use fear (black magick) to control
(black magick) "the public" (blackest magick- multigenerational social
engineering to de-evolve human consciousness) This includes drugs of many
kinds, includes the CONCEPT of drugs-as-escape... escape from pain, from
responsibility for poor lifestyle/diet choices; escape from the often ugly
"reality" which is in some part an end product of occult-choreographed
cultural degradation, and in some part a personal susceptibilty to this pack
of agendas  scheming vs. a personal spiritual awareness /or choice...
which we can help to allow inviduals to have the freedom to make- by
exposing secrecy- by ending the means to power of the cult of the occult.

On the topic of CIA Drug importation  what would Brian say to someone
who innocently protests "our government would NEVER do such terrible things"
...  ?



Dave Hartley
http://www.Asheville-Computer.com
http://www.ioa.com/~davehart


-Original Message-
From: Brian Downing Quig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CIA-DRUGS] Re: egypt air


From: Brian Downing Quig [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Now wait a minute.  I have been tolerant up till now but not only is this
PHILIDELHIA PROJECT unreal but more seriously it is unrelated.

Brian

Dave wrote:

 From: "Dave" [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 hmmm Annie is revealing deep interest  understanding of conspiracy
 theory !  grin

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[CTRL] 'The voices said, 'Shoot'

[Kris Millegan]

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from:
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November 4, 1999

'The voices said, 'Shoot' ': Kinkel resisted for years until the commands won
out, psychologist says

By BILL BISHOP
The Register-Guard


Kip Kinkel heard voices for the first time when he was 12 as he got off the
bus after school. They commanded him to kill and berated him as worthless, a
Portland psychologist testified Wednesday.
From that day on, three voices boomed in his head whenever he was under
stress, psychologist Orin Bolstad said during the second day of Kinkel's
sentencing hearing in Lane County Circuit Court.
At the same time, Kinkel began developing delusional thoughts that triggered
strange behavior, including making bombs and collecting guns, Bolstad said.

"There's no doubt that Kip needs a lot of help, but as a father I believe he
should spend the rest of his natural life behind bars"
- David Alldredge, father of Kinkel victim Jennifer Alldredge
Photo: BRIAN DAVIES / The Register-Guard
Kinkel feared a plague would strike, for example, and that the Disney Corp.
would use censorship to take over the country, Bolstad said. He felt a need
to accumulate food. He wanted to make bombs in case of Chinese invasion or
societal breakdown. He believed the government had implanted a computer chip
in his brain to control his thinking.
The voices and delusions drove him to unpredictable outbursts, depression,
paranoia - and ultimately to mass murder, the psychologist said.
"His behavior was dominated by psychotic thinking and by mental illness,"
Bolstad said.
The testimony capped a day that brought an appeal from Kinkel's older sister,
Kristin, to the judge for understanding. A detective also read a letter Kip
Kinkel had left on the family's coffee table after he killed his parents and
went to Thurston High School armed with three guns and 1,100 rounds of
ammunition.
Kinkel's letter showed that he believed he had so disappointed his parents by
being suspended for bringing a loaded gun to school that they couldn't live
with his failure.
"My parents can't take that. It would destroy them. The embarrassment would
be too much for them," he wrote. "I am a horrible son."
Kristin Kinkel testified about the difficulties her brother had with some
subjects at school, especially spelling, and about the tensions his academic
problems caused between the teen-ager and his parents - particularly his
father.
In a letter to the judge, she professed her love for her brother and urged
the judge to consider allowing him to go free someday. Kip Kinkel faces 25 to
220 years in prison for killing his parents, two Thurston students and
wounding 25 other students 17 months ago.
Bolstad, who holds a Ph.D. in child psychology and treats young killers in
Oregon juvenile prisons, said Kip Kinkel had been able to resist the urge to
obey his internal voices for years, but the stress of being discovered with
the gun at school and his father's anger were enough to make him succumb to
the commands.
Kinkel referred to the three voices as A, B and C, and they got louder and
louder as they told him to kill his father after the two returned home that
day, Bolstad said.
``A said, `You have to kill him. Shoot him,' '' Bolstad quoted Kinkel as
saying. ``My dad was sitting at the (breakfast) bar. The voices said, `Shoot
him.' I had no choice. The voices said I had no choice.''
After he killed his mother, Kinkel said the voices told him to ``Go to school
and kill everybody. Look what you've already done,'' Bolstad said.
The psychologist said eight tests he conducted point to three possible
diagnoses for Kinkel: paranoid schizophrenia, depressed schizophrenia or
bipolar disorder. Loosely defined, the disorders are characterized by
disorganized thinking, internal voices and deluded thought patterns.
Bolstad said he couldn't narrow the diagnosis to a specific mental illness
because of Kinkel's young age and overlapping test results. But he found that
Kinkel was suicidal, extremely emotional and unpredictable, opposed to
authority figures and melancholy when he was tested.
During a break in the sentencing hearing, the father of one of the students
wounded by Kinkel said Bolstad's testimony only reinforced his belief that
Kinkel should receive the maximum possible sentence.
"There's no doubt that Kip needs a lot of help, but as a father I believe he
should spend the rest of his natural life behind bars," said David Alldredge,
whose daughter, Jennifer, was shot.
Alldredge noted that Bolstad repeatedly said he couldn't offer a firm
diagnosis on Kinkel's mental problems.
"The testimony basically convinced me that Kip will be well-served behind
bars, where he will have lots of opportunities for help," Alldredge said.
In court, Bolstad said people with similar disorders can be treated with
medication. He noted