[CTRL] Larry Flynt Stoned
-Caveat Lector-
January 16, 1999
JOURNAL/ By FRANK RICH
Larry Flynt Stoned
We didn't need Larry Flynt to tell us that Bob Barr is a hypocrite. The
Georgia Congressman's sleazy marital history was already public back in '96
when he had the gall to champion an absurd bill called the Defense of Marriage
Act -- which that other proud defender of marriage, Bill Clinton, then signed
into law. But we may need Larry Flynt anyway -- not to expose any impeachment
manager's sex life but simply because his very presence exposes the
disingenuousness of everybody else, conservative and liberal, Republican and
Democrat, press and public, who inhabits the epic Bosch canvas that is
Monicagate. In the land of the pious hypocrite, the honest pornographer is
king.
After a year in which the President repeatedly told us he didn't have sex with
that woman, and his antagonists repeatedly told us that their case "is not
about sex," and the media constantly lamented how horribly sad they were to be
covering this sex-driven, albeit lucrative, story, Mr. Flynt's candor is
downright refreshing. In interviews, he refers to himself as a "smut
publisher" who wants "to sell [his] magazine," not a public-minded seeker of
truth. He openly declares his partisanship ("I love Clinton. He's a great
President.") and eagerly declares his hope to have "the effect of derailing
the impeachment process." The Hustler editor who serves as Mr. Flynt's
collaborator in tracking down Congressional trysts unabashedly describes their
enterprise as "vandalism," not journalism.
It is almost too delicious to watch Mr. Flynt throw his higher-minded
colleagues in the news business into conniptions. Washington's bloviator-in-
chief, David Broder, brooded on PBS about how "the mainstream press" is now
having its agenda set by "the bottom-feeders in our business" -- and yet he
works for the paper (The Washington Post) that first asked the adultery
question to a Presidential candidate (Gary Hart) and is a regular on "Meet the
Press," the first mainstream Sunday gabfest that made a panelist out of Matt
Drudge, the Clinton-haters' answer to Flynt (though not as factually
accurate).
Mr. Flynt's antics have similarly prompted many mainstream TV news outlets --
CNBC, ABC's "20/ 20," CNN, "CBS This Morning" -- to demonstrate yet again
that, for all their pious declarations to the contrary, the scandals they care
most about are those with sex.
The sexual allegations about Mr. Barr have received far more play than the
revelations of the Congressman's involvement with a white supremacist
organization -- much as TV pursued Monica rather than Clinton fund-raising and
wag-the-dog scandals, and largely ignored Henry Hyde's S.L. shenanigans and
Dan Burton's campaign-finance chicanery to air their sexual histories instead.
The viewing audience, which tells pollsters it's had enough sex, exercises its
own hypocrisy by rewarding Mr. Flynt's appearance on "Rivera Live" with the
show's highest rating since the O. J. civil verdict.
The other hypocrites unmasked by Mr. Flynt's pranks could fill a cabinet
department. It's hard to stop laughing when Dick Morris, who sucked
prostitutes' toes while on the White House payroll, decries the publisher for
"degrading American politics." Jerry Falwell, a past Flynt legal foe, now goes
on TV to condemn his old adversary's tactics -- never mind that Mr. Falwell
himself marketed a video accusing the President of murder.
Conservative politicians and publications that happily feasted on a tabloid's
purchase of Gennifer Flowers's revelations and the recent Drudge-spread hoax
about an illegitimate Clinton son are now fuming about Mr. Flynt. Liberals and
feminists who vehemently attacked a Hollywood film for ostensibly sanitizing
the Hustler publisher's odious depiction of women are curiously silent about
his pursuit of Barr Co. As for the President, his spokesman, Joe Lockhart,
says that his boss wants Mr. Flynt to "cease and desist." Oh, puh-leeze!
Larry Flynt is a bull in the china shop of false pieties, empty pretensions
and sexual sermonizing that have brought us to this low moment in American
history. On Thursday, alas, he checked into a Los Angeles hospital with
pneumonia. The networks that have been broadcasting soap operas rather than
the Senate trial their anchors keep telling us is "historic" can only pray
that Mr. Flynt, who has it in his power to make impeachment must-see TV again,
gets well soon.
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/99 3:57:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Contacted by CNNS, Mr. Skolnick further noted that the striped-sleeve style of judicial robe was *de rigueur* in Nazi Germany. We should not be tempted by this morsel. It is tempting because Mr. Rhenquist got his start in the Republican party by intimidating blacks and Hispanics from voting. However, the level of the proceeding has been drenched in pomposity to date as though the Republicans are desperate in making themselves appear sober rather than the vengeful little twits attempting to overthrow a government that they are. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/16/99 3:07:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is still not undersood is so far NO Republicans have lied under oath So that's what i've been missing! Darn. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/99 10:44:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And I know you're a total pussy because the last time I challenged you on this list, you backed down like a whipped dog! Keep your facile and juvenile opinions to yourself, unless you're enough of a man to back them up. Jeremy, I will condescend to reply to your insolent post but do not think that i have any obligation to correspond with a midget like yourself. The reason that you are a pathetic mindless little boy pretending to be one of the boys and full of machismo is that you publicly and, presumably, proudly use an insensitive and offensive characterization for a disabled man. He is now spending a considerable fortune to inform the rest of us of the degree of hypocrisy in the accusers President Clinton. In other words, Flynt is doing a good thing. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/15/99 1:55:59 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you have the gall to attack my intelligence Calm down and take your medication, Jeremy. Just one question, young man. Have you ever been institutionalized? Your friend Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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Re: [CTRL] Fw: Torture in Israel - MER FlashBack
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Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 6:25:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 1/13/99 10:41:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am curious. Do you think the liberal left would mind some conservative dude said he would put up 1 million dollars for information about the Democrats and their sex lives? Kenneth Starr has already spent $40 million to get the sexual goods on President Clinton. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt SLEAZEBALL?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/14/99 10:59:29 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Larry Flynt is a mushmouthed cripple The neonazis just can't help themselves. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Greatest Generation of Collectivist Fools!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 8:48:10 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: What crap! The World War II generation: traumatized and buffaloed by the depression in Roosevelt's fascist New Deal and then tricked by the simple minded Pearl Harbor strategem into the useless slaughter of WWII Wow, that mean old FDR was pretty tricky OK. Imagine how he suckered the Japanese to invade Singapore, Indonesia, Indochina, Burma etc. Did Roosevelt also trick the Japanese into invading Manchuria in 1931? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rehnquist Struts Latest Style In Judicial Robes
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:22:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to Skolnick's recollection, a similar striped-sleeve judicial robe was worn by judges in Nazi Germany. "Is it fashion, or fascism?" he asks. I was reading when the trial began and was startled to hear some of the words on the TV such as "hear ye, hear ye" and "on pain of imprisonment." My God, it sounded like high school kids in a play. Are the HypocriticalRepublicans (one word) trying to impress us boobs with high sounding rhetoric? They should know that it is much too late for that. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:25:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ...Larry Flynt is anything but a sleazeball. He's a true champion of the 1st Amendment and is simply pointing out the hypocrisy of the radical right. Cheers to Larry! Keep up the fight! I agree. Flynt has apparently been addicted to sex in the past but he is now serving the national interest. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] William: Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 10:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well, you have every right to be. Jabba the Flynt didn't get very much for his million, did he. He did get that Bob "family values" Barr repeatedly took the 5th when asked about adultery and about his hand in his wife's abortion. Jerry PS Flynt has 8 investigations still going. He says the Republican Party will be devastated if they come to fruition. We'll see, they may not come to anything more than the charges of the 13 year old boy being Clinton's son. Has anyone at all apologized for this story being broadcast throughout the mainstream media yet? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Ecstasy Prozac (The Economist)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/99 7:19:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, when Calvinists ask if people taking Prozac to eliminate elements of their personalities, such as shyness, is so very far removed from the recreational use of ecstasy, the answer appears to be "no". I have long suspected that the reason the ruling elites ban all mind altering drugs and not just the harmful ones is that they fear that people will come to realize that although we live in a democracy, the opinions and well being of the majority doesn't seem to matter. People might get wise to the strange notion that our young men should fight in wars that don't make sense, or that the ever growing income/welath gap is not just or that our ruling elites are not only not endowed with any particular wisdom but that through the highly controlled mainstream media, we are manipulated and kept in the dark. It has been said that if you have a gross of eggs, you may sort them according to size or color or place them into various layouts. But if the eggs ever hatch, you have a problem. Drugs are not necessarily a good thing in all/most/any cases, but IMO they are viewed as a threat in terms of hatching power, i.e. in terms of people realizing their own authority. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] Vive La France!]
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/99 8:51:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Having lived and studied among the natives thereof, I gained a different sense of perspective. Thank you, Alamaine, for lifting this thread from the immature and silly to the mature and refined. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 9:27:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: MJ: While the conclusion may or may NOT be true [cause], what exactly makes the muder of an individual within a 'protected' group WORSE than the murder of some other individual? Yes, murder is murder and the US murder statistics stand out like a malignant cancer. The extreme right wing hate mongers have so many reason and excuses for violence that it is astounding. Bob Grant, Rush, Limbaugh, G. Gordon Liddy and others give us more daily. The hate murder is unique in motivation because it is not based upon some twisted notion of benefiting oneself. It is based upon the absurd notion that certain groups, who do not harm other, are intrinsically evil so that one is justified before God and right thinking people for killing this person(s). Of course, those who encourage such action obviously bear some measure of responsibility. Even if such creatures as Bob Grant sincerely believe that they have some special role in helping to eliminate homosexuals, i.e. even if they are completely insane, it does not exonerate them from their responsibility to meet the natural requirements of courtesy, respect, and tolerance for others that living in a democratic civil society entails. Would any robbery be a 'hate crime' since the perpetrator most certainly 'hates' 'rich people'. This statement does not make sense. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt on C-SPAN tonight.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/11/99 5:43:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: According to WCNN, Atlanta, Whitehouse lap dog, Larry Flynt, will be giving an exclusive press conference on C-SPAN tonight at 8:00 PM Pacific Time. Check your local guides to be sure of the times. Sorry to hear that he wasn't given air time. Mustn't upset the right-wing freaks by exposing their hypocrisy. On the local TV news, it was stated that Bob "family values" Barr was accused with shacking up with his third wife while he was still married to his second wife. There was also some he said/she said regarding the abortion. Regarding another self righteous but unnamed Republican, it was said that he routinely visited the brothels along the Mexican border. One hopes he doesn't have too many STDs. Let's hope, the elites are not able to continue the news block. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Worst Newspaper in America
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/12/99 5:30:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "I said I would give a lot of money to education, children, the homeless, that sort of thing," he recalls. "Then I mentioned that if there were any money left over I would start what this city really needs -- a competing daily newspaper to The Daily Oklahoman . . . Well, everyone just started applauding. The place went wild. And this is not a wild church. Even the Republicans were clapping." Yeah, i lived in OK for over 13 years and have to agree. (the prize for how the might have fallen would go to the Washington Post). Frosty Troy, owner and editor of the Oklahoma Observer, perhaps the sole liberal voice in OK, used to rave over egregious examples of goofy stories and statements by the owner of the Daily Oklahoman. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly
-Caveat Lector- Tom J. Wright A Semi-Weekly Column of Political Commentary January 1-January 15, 1999 Republican Hate Rhetoric Turns Deadly: Somebody Stop Them Before They Kill Again "Brains you know, are suspect in the Republican Party." --Walter Lippmann, famous American political commentator, December 14, 1974 "Indeed there are some Republicans I would trust with anything-anything, that is, except public office." --Adlai Stevenson, Jr. during a Presidential campaign speech in Springfield, Illinois, August 14, 1952 Although overshadowed lately by MonicaGate, the brutal beating and killing of gay University of Wyoming student Matthew Shepard, shocked the nation and disgusted people around the world. The barbarity of the murderers, who tied Matthew Shepard to a fence and beat him to death with the butts of their guns, was stunning. This vicious murder was motivated in large part, perhaps entirely, by the radical homophobia of the two men who killed him. Matthew Shepard lost his life simply because he was gay. Many other instances of homophobic acts of violence, here in the United States especially, have occurred as well. Also, hate crimes in general are on the rise across the country. An obvious question arises: Why has homophobic violence, and many other kinds of hate crimes, been rising so dramatically? And why have the intensity and ferocity of that violence become so extreme? The increase in hate crimes is a direct result of the increase in hate rhetoric. And we all know who the masters of hate are: the hard core Republican right wing. These lunatics spew out hate the way an open sewer spews out raw sewage. Here are just a few disgusting examples of Republicans at work: Conservative New York radio commentator Bob Grant once said, on the air to millions of listeners, that he wished that police had machine-gunned New York City's gay pride marchers during a 1994 parade. Grant also told one disaffected listener of his show, who was angry about one minority or another, to "Well, get a gun and go do something, then." Republican Senator Trent Lott called homosexuality a "disease", like kleptomania. Radical Republican conservative Congressman Dick Armey called fellow Congressman Barney Frank, "Barney Fag", then claimed it was a slip of the tongue. Right wing nutcase and Republican party BigWig Pat Robertson stated that Disney World in Orlando, Florida would be struck by some catastrophe because it didn't properly discriminate against gay people the way he does. The list goes on and on. The Republican Party has turned hate and scapegoating and fearmongering into a science. It's what they are good at doing. It's what they do best. And boy, are they proud of it. But so far, no one has forced conservatives to take responsibility for their hate rhetoric. This certainly includes the media, which of course is itself mostly right wing. How else do you think sick bastards like the aforementioned Bob Grant, Hitler-wannabee Pat Buchanan, the loony Nixonite G. Gordon Liddy, and all of their right wing clones throughout the country, ever get on the air? It ain't accidental, folks. Well, it is time for the American People to hold the Republicans, and their mouthpieces in the media, personally accountable for their outrageous scapegoating, inflammatory rhetoric, manipulative scare tactics, and the violence that inevitably follows. These spewers of hate must be stopped before they kill again. But we have to act quickly, because make no mistake about it, the Republican Party is a very dangerous organization, full of hubris, hyper- conservative dementia, and a ton of $$money$$. This ill-begotten monster was born with the rise to power of that famous loon Ronald "Bedtime For Bonzo" Reagan, and it's been growing ever since. The best way to stop it and these people behind it, is to vote the Republican Party out of office. And out of existence. Like the Whigs of yesteryear, it is time for the Republican Party to die. It is too infested with fanatics to be saved. Just put the thing out of its misery, for God's sake. That will leave us with the Corporate Democrats on the right, Progressives on the center left, and Libertarians somewhere in between. Also, a sincere letter of apology, signed by conservatives everywhere, should be promptly submitted to the American People, and put on display in Washington D.C. The display will serve to remind potential hatemongers everywhere that they will endure Great Pain, Suffering, and Humiliation, if they ever again attempt such crude tactics. Not only that, if the likes of Bob Grant or his ilk ever openly encourage violence against innocent citizens again, and said violence occurs, then the District Attorney of the county in which the incitement to violence was made, should promptly prosecute them as criminals, for aiding and abetting a crime. You won't believe how quickly these
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/10/99 10:23:14 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are two rather interesting photographs related to the CSA prison camp in Tyler, Texas (Camp Ford). One shows a group of prisoners photographed upon their departure from prison.. They were all dressed rather nattily, with frock coats, ties, "plantation" hats, etc. In fact, they "could have been dressed for the ball. " Shame on you, Hawk. Have you never heard of Potemkin Village? I think that the distance between us on how the slaves lived and were treated is due to two things. The living conditions and psychological environment of the slaves varied enormously between regions and plantations. I place greater credence in the slaves themselves as to what their lives were like. During the 1950s and 1960s when the South was being weaned from Jim Crow, it was common for Southern apologists to say things like "Some of my best friends..." or "We all got along fine here until those outsiders began stirring things up." [My wife attended a YWCA in the South during this time. When she and a friend arrived by car to the motel of a small town on their trip, they were frightened by the paranoia of the folks in the motel lobby. Many questions aimed at determining whether the travelers were there "to stir up trouble."] The apologists for slavery in the US are hardly alone, the phenomena is common enough. For instance, i have no doubt that if we asked the Japanese who participated in the POW camps where American prisoners were held how the prisoners were treated. They would assure the questioner that the treatment was fair and reasonable. My recollection is that Americans died in the Japanese POW camps at a rate 8 times greater than they died in the camps of Nazi Germany. Nothing is more enlightening on this issue than to read Bataan Death March which lets the American prisoners speak for themselves. Likewise the ex-slaves speak for themselves. Their opinions vary considerably but overall the picture emerges of mostly semi-isolated lives on plantations of fewer than 10 slaves having brutal lives of onerous labor in the fields with no regard shown for families or respect for person. Yes, there are exceptions, such as owner buying a comely mulatto girl who could sew after a fashion and taking her back home, installing her in a bedroom with a a needle and thread and announcing to the Mrs. that they had a new seamstress. This was hardly a good life for either the slave girl or the mistress but i suppose you could contend that it was a pleasant life of ease if your thinking allows it. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 7:55:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was raised in the old South in Claxton, Georgia 1941-1949 and I can tell you from personal experience that the old South I experienced respected everyone. Your post is disconnected from reality. You and Howard have shared your fantasy but it doesn't wash. When southern blacks with a number of participating whites began the freedom bus rides and sin-ins during the 1950s and 1960s, they were a threat to most of the quaint gentle white folk of the South. That's why so many of the marchers and bus riders and sit-in people were beaten, sometimes so bad that they were maimed, sometimes even killed but most were simply hosed or had police dogs sicked on them or were beaten with night sticks and jailed. Reality may not be pretty but if you face it you don't have to defend something that never was. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:51:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Now, I been a-thinkin', Lord have mercy, I can create a list that will recieve all posts from CTRL and will be open for more discussion and chat. Sounds good to me. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 6:23:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sometimes people would rather "be taken care of" than face life's uncertainties armed only with their own skills and decision-making abilities. Welcome back, Hawk. Many of us missed hearing your arguments however we disagreed because your supporting evidence offered something to get one's teeth into. I'm not sure what to say regarding your remarks concerning the scriptures since, apparently, some are grievously offended by any mention of spiritual or moral matters - at least they are offended when scriptures are referenced as opposed to, say, Urantia channeled baloney. I will only point out that we are directed away from legalism and toward general principles so i am puzzled by your statement that the principles cannot be applied in the specific. It seems to me that they could then never be applied. I am reminded of something a priest said at a class for the general public on biblical exegesis. The priest was British and supposedly a scholar of considerable talent. (Incidentally, this class was free, a not uncommon event in those days of the 60s.) He sarcastically said that whenever the bureaucrats or politicians of Britain commented on the golden rule and other such, they would say, "Well, that's all well and good but one cannot run an empire on ideals." Of course, at this time the empire had already dissolved. You speak of the slave mentality and i know that it lives in many people. However, IMO the root of it is in oppression. When folks get so frustrated and despair of being allowed to do, they sometimes sort of give up and go along with the notion that if something good is going to happen, it must come from massah (the corporation, government, church, et al). Of course this is not confined to actual ex-slaves. You ask about what state had the removal of thumbs as punishment for learning to read. The plantations were in the bush. The law was massah and vice versa. When you read the narratives of the ex-slaves your eyes are opened. The law is irrelevant when it is not available and when the entire economy depended upon supporting massah's heroic efforts to keep everyone in their place. Literate thinking slaves are an obvious threat. Why do you think our own news media is so carefully controlled? The weak spot in the plantation was the owner's children, their eagerness to share what they know and show off at the same time. When a slave learned to read, he taught others. When a plantation had more than, say, a score of slaves, they would meet at night in culverts or ditches with the overhead covered with branches and twigs. They told each other about what was going on, 10 pair of eyes in different places could see a lot. With good fortune, one would teach reading. When a slave stopped overnight attached to plantation visitors, they could hear about things far away and give information in return. These underground schools were vital to the encouragement that comes from camaraderie. The above remark applies to prayer also. Bear in mind that each plantation had its own way to deal with issues in the slave community, namely massah's way. A few, especially the large plantations with hundreds of slaves, were relatively liberal and followed their own house rules fairly consistently. Jefferson Davis ran one of these operations. Most plantation owners were rather harsh. Economics led the most intelligent owners to give their slaves just enough sustenance and rest to maintain the work. The photographs of the slaves tell the story by their faces. Jerry Apparently, many of the owners were as ignorant as the slaves about prayer. It was common for owners to forbid prayer, possibly because they did not want their slaves to have either hope or comfort or maybe because the owners really were nervous about the slaves communicating with the living god. The slaves, who like the owners apparently never heard of silent prayer or believed it ineffective, would speak their prayers into a tub of water to muffle it. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Re: [CTRL] Hawk et al
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 6:11:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk really had what was coming to him. I also agree that William 'egged' him on If any person disagrees with a defender of slavery, does that disagreement constitute egging on? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/9/99 12:36:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hawk was not put on 'no post' for 'baiting or flaming, but my own personal distaste for bible-thumping slavery apologists. Historical outlooks/discussions buttressed by bibical 'infalliabilty and interpretation" are futile and a waste of time. MHO I agree with all that you state. Hawk causes my hair to rise straight up, the man is more than a little wrong headed. However, variety in opinion is a good thing because it forces some of us to clearly state why we are opposed to that which is anathema to us. If you don't push Hawk, he remains fairly courteous. I wish to add my voice to Tunstall and Shrum in suggesting that although Hawk's temporary (?) exile was probably a good thing for him, it will be good for all of us if he is now let back in. CTRL is a marvelous forum, maintained at no small price by RoadsEnd. One hears (ok, reads) things here that are essentially forbidden in the mainstream media. I understand that folks like the butterfly should be given the boot because they are incoherent and obviously insane. Hawk has his head on backward but he will state chapter and verse for his opinions (thereby revealing that civilization requires more than "just the facts, mam"). In his own way he makes us think anew and thus adds to the CTRL goal of freeing through the truth. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/8/99 1:16:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My understanding of law has lead me to believe that the southern states had the legal right to leave the union and that they did so lawfully. As I stated, the Supreme Court of the time was probably in agreement with this position. It was Lincoln and others in the northern states who ignored their oathes to the Constitution. Suppose that you are quite correct in saying that Jefferson Davis, Stonewall Jackson, Robert E. etc. were strictly legal. What you are missing is that more is involved with every man's actions than legality, or for that matter, profit. These men in high leadership positions knew this. What motivated them. They did not perform an act merely because it was legal, i.e. they did not act arbitrarily. They joined in the Confederacy because it stood for their way of seeing, their way of living. That way was based upon slavery. The Southern leadership could not stay in the Union without accepting a gradual change over in the dirty little condition that made their way possible. The North was not going to accept additional slave states and the opposition to slavery was growing. It was much like those doors in Deuteronomy, one leads to life and one leads to death. The strange thing is that the doors are very well marked. No mistake is possible. Many white people in the South chose life but most of the leaders chose death. To be sure, choosing life is emotional; that's because our deepest values are emotional issues with us. The sin of keeping people enslaved is emotional. The slavers may taunt those who vote for freedom as being emotional but those who would even defend slavery, much less practice it, are also being emotional. Part of their dysfunction is that they must pretend to a strange machismo of the psyche. Incidentally, in an earlier posting someone referred to the reluctance of some of the ex-slaves to their new situation and even persistent opinion that the old slave times were preferable. It was sort of like the Israelis coming out of the land of fleshpots. Some weren't so sure. Many of the slaves of Dixie were dismissed from the plantations at war's end because it simply was not profitable for the planters to keep them on. These, now vagabonds, newly freed illiterate blacks lined the roads in their trek north to find work. They had only the clothes on their backs (few received 40 and a mule). Some died on the way but others made it to partly fuel the latter part of the industrialization of America. Most freed slaves far preferred their freedom but a few never obtained a decent life and actually remembered their slavery as a better time. Even with the night patrols, the removal of thumbs for the crime of learning to read, the forbiddance of prayer, and the merciless beatings when they took a bit of extra nourishment, the commonplace forcible sex by massah and supervisors of the slave women and, if these times are any guide, of boys and girls as well, the fleshpots glowed in their remembrance. Think of the filthy crimes committed today for those fleshpots, the dismemberment of companies along with massive disruption in lives, the unnecessary wars in Vietnam, Panama, the Gulf, Grenada, Somalia. Freedom came in second when we overthrew democracies in Iran, Guatemala, Chile and installed criminal governments. Man, how do we free ourselves of this sort of blindness? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Weekly earnings
-Caveat Lector- Someone asked, in response to a post of mine, whether the average weekly earnings figures in $1982 that were stated were for manufacturing employees only. I deleted the post before i thought to reply but the answer is that they are for total private nonfarm workers. In other words the government and farm sectors are excluded but all other sectors are included. You can check the data at A HREF="http://146.142.4.24/cgi-bin/surveymost?ee"this BLS site/A. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/99 4:04:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Anyone who understands the bible (which I allow as the only reliable source of determining "good" and "evil"), should quickly pick up on the idea that God does not consider the institution of slavery as evil. And if God doesn't consider it evil, then I certainly am not going to condemn HIM for His position on it. It is clear from the Bible that involuntary servitude is not preferable in many cases, but it is not condemned. The Fundamentalist's bible says "Holy Bible" on the front cover. Many folks don't know that on the back cover, in invisible ink, it says "Unholy Babble." The Fundamentalists read the unholy babble. The unholy babble is read backwards and many confused conclusions are drawn from it. The bible is practically a paean to freedom. Look up "freedom" and "liberty" in a concordance and you will be drowned in references. No, my friend, the verses do not exalt slavery or bondage but freedom. Look up slavery and bondage and the references, with one exception, speak disparagingly and sometimes alarmingly of these. The exception is that we are urged to be slaves or bondsmen to God so that we never think of ourselves as in servitude to others. My God, man, wake up! You are living in a delusionary world. Seek help. Save yourself. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Email #2, About Indian Population
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 1:39:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the estimates as ranging from the lower end of the scale with Kroeber (1939) at some 9,000,000 Indians to the highest estimate 12,000,000 Dobyns (1966) with Dobyns being considered by far the more inflationary scholar. The chart is actually solidly placed as far as estimates go -- all the scholars except for Dobyns fall within the range of 1-3 million indigenous population in North America in A.D. 1500 with nearly 8 of the scholars citing a figure at about one million maximum. North America is defined as including Canada, U.S., and Arctic. I' a bit confused. Does the 9-12 million range pertain to extant populations while the 1-3 million applies to 1500? Is the existing population not known to a fair degree of accuracy from census figures? What am i missing here? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: TV Kidz
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 1:43:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Linda Shafran, a publicist for the Springer show, said she could not recall any show on the topic of incest. ``We have never had a show that is even remotely close to this situation, and unfortunately there are situations in the world for which we are blamed,'' she said. Sounds like watching the Springer show is being used as a false excuse for these brats. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The level of chattiness and civility are getting quite ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/7/99 2:33:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: PLEASE, let us focus on the subject at hand. Allow me to be the first to second RoadEnd's suggestion. I am might tired of reading all the Clinton bashing and neofascist blather. Let's be reasonable people expressing reasonable opinions. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:24:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was trying to show that overall there has been a growth in population so that the losses have been greatly overwhelmed by the increases. Hey, kill a few, grow more. It all evens out. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Roman Jews In America: 775 A.D.?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/99 9:20:08 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I chanced across the article below while going through old New York Times from year 1925. It suggests a different history of the American continent than is usually supposed. Thanks for posting this, Brian. I am driven nuts by sitting here trying to think of the names of two books written about or by a New Zealand fellow who amassed considerable evidence that various ancient people, including Egyptians, Sumerians, and Romans, were in North America. I think his last name was Feller. A title that sticks in my mind is America BC. However, when i tried to look it up at amazon.com, the search came up empty. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/6/99 10:18:54 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The last American soldiers to fight for "freedom" were Confederate soldiers. You're just confused. The Confederate soldiers were fighting for slavery. Some understood this and other, like yourself, didn't. The South was prostrate before evil. Say it with me, "Thank you, God, for Lincoln and thank you for the civil rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s and thank you, Jesus, that at the price of much blood, freedom has won the day for the slaves and for the South." Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Koestler actually said
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:47:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except that it's main premise that modern Jews are really not Jews is completely wrong. But this has never stopped Christians before and won't stop the really desperate now. All too true. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men an...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Midwife who delivered Clinton adds fuel to row over his ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 10:43:07 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Mr Clinton was brought up to believe he was sired by Bill Blythe, an accused bigamist Sired? How many posts on this thread will it take for someone to declare that Clinton, being the Antichrist, was fathered by you know who? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Stampeding Bison
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:54:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: and history. For your information, the typical Negro slave received back, over the period of his life, about 90% of the wealth he produced... He had a longer life expectency than white Europeans of the time, and was better off in practically every measurable aspect of economic life and physical health than was any "peasant class" worker in the world ( specifically factory workers in the industrial north and Europe). You must be living in a dream world, have you been shooting something into your arm? If you learned very little in school, it is not too late. I suggest you read Bullwhip Days to unburden yourself of the scales that cover your eyes. Jerry PS the notion that privately held property is taken better care of is certainly pure crap where the corporations are concerned. Consider Hurwitz and his tender treatment of the resources of MAXXAM. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Two Cows (humor)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 2:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: CAPITALISM: You have two cows. You sell one and buy a bull. This single line for capitalism which makes it sound like a right smart system while the alternatives are described with multiple sentences and none too flatteringly is not well balanced. I don't know what the right add-on should be but as it is, it doesn't account for the ruthless quality of capitalism which leaves 41 million Americans below the poverty line. It is also silent about the harsher tone of American capitalism that developed after the fall of the Soviet Union. For the sake of the Russian people and the American people, we need Gorbachev back. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 4:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: o It wants the U.S. to nationalize health care, start a nuclear freeze, adopt national energy policies and pass more gun-control laws. Run in circles, scream and shout. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hundreds protest police killing of black teen in Calif...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 4:38:04 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: someone sitting in a car that is running and has a flat tire, if having gone on for, say, an hour, would be reason for ME to inquire if I were a police officer Hey, how does the cop know she wasn't a commie? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [FTC] Dangerous NAFTA Trucks Invade US
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: About ten years ago, I drove into Mexico.. After having done so, I decided to never do it again Having heard similar things several times, i certainly believe you. I spent the summer of 1962 in Mexico. The crime rate was quite low despite the poverty. More than once i found myself alone in poor areas of the city in the wee hours and felt perfectly safe. What in the world has happened over the past 27 years? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Elizabeth Dole May Run For President
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 7:45:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elizabeth Dole is planning to step aside as president of the American Red Cross in a step her political supporters hope will lead to her running for president Hey, anybody who can sit in a big office at the Red Cross should make a good Republican president. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [Future-Cities] Theocratic Cities in Space. (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 9:32:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: does it make any substantial difference as to what the "religionists" and their clergy have to say or not concerning their structure and functioning? Well, if it's a David Koresh offshoot, you would have to plan for residences with one humongous apartment for a harem plus dorm space for the men. If it were an operation like Elizabeth Clare Prophet runs, it would mostly be underground to prepare for Armageddon. I hope this helps. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Forward 1776misc list: Chelsea's Half Brother -- Inspires ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 2:54:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: kids. Ask one of these mother's who have been left with the two, three, four, five, or six kids after the Dad goes elsewhere to play "house" --- about what kind of "liberation" the NOW she-devils have secured for HER. Listen to SnowOwl, i.e. don't assume that every claim you hear of that is detrimental to President Clinton's reputation must be true. The Clinton bashers make themselves foolish when they do this. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Do stay, Lynn
-Caveat Lector- For God's sake, let the poor creature go. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Koestler actually said
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:44:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is dated thinking. It applied a generation ago. The legend of chosenness is part of the Jewish national myth. It applies to those who have converted as well. There is no problem here except that Christians can't usurp that title while Jews continue to exist. IMO this is not quite it. It is true that we Christians have totally usurped the scriptures and beliefs of the Jewish/Hebrew people up to the time of Christ. But i think it gets kind of complex. It has been said of Hitler that that he especially resented the Jews because while Hr, Hitler, babbled about the natural superiority of the Aryan race, he realized that the difference was that the Jews really did believe in their own superiority by virtue of being the Chosen People. This is not it either though it is an interesting theory. I think that it is a matter of some naive but determined Christians thinking that since theirs is the true religion and is built upon Judaism, it is right and natural for the Jews to be converted. They are thwarted and shocked when, after the Christian faith has been explained, the Jews still do not convert. The surprise quickly turns to anger. Martin Luther strongly believed that the Jews simply had not had the Faith explained to them properly but he, Luther, would do it right. Again, disappointment. Luther became one of many anti- Semitic Christians, adding more coals to the Holocaust to come. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] hello (again)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 9:53:11 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Look all As far as June is concerned, why doesn't shetell me which chat rooms I supposedly go to and all that stuff. How about a padded one? Seriously, Lynne, have you considered professional help? You obviously have a substantial need to take umbrage. But it sort of gets boring even though many are egging you on. I suggest you keep your peace until you get your head straight. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Drudge Report//agreement
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:04:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Why are youassuming it's not true? J2 You miss the point, J2. SnowOwl is talking about the responsibility of the news media to not spread every rumor of scandal. Nor is this a responsibility of the news media only. It is one thing to privately think that yes, the SOB is probably guilty of whatever happens to be said about him and it is another for the, so far, unsupported, rumor to be published. Got it? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting C...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/99 10:43:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am eager to hear your reply, because I have found that Clinton-type supporters invariably LOVE the current no-checks-and-balances computerized vote tallying systems. I have to admit to being more than a tad suspicious of anything which the Libertarians or conservatives find appealing. The Libertarians sound appealing because they at least have the good sense to know that locking up huge numbers of citizens for victimless crimes and squandering billion of dollars on the "war on drugs" is damaging to the nation. On the other hand, i heard much of what was said at their convention in 1996 and it became plain that the party leaders are mostly interested in avoiding taxes. They either believe that it is possible to have a society worth living in without expenses or their top priority is "let George pay for it" where George is you or me. This gives them plenty in common with those for whom the Republicans carry water despite the hypocritical moralizing by the conservatives. At this point i am not sufficiently familiar with the issue of going back to count the ballot the old fashioned way. Doubtlessly, there are certain efficiencies in automated vote counts for both time and money. There were charges of vote fraud when the ballots were still hand counted. There are questions here of the impact on the growing use of referendums that going back would have, i.e. would they still be practicable? In short, i must weasel out here and not give the court room lawyers preferred answer of yes or no. Cheers. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Taking Communism Seriously
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 2:28:19 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: a lot is asked of native-born Americans with no experience of foreign occupation or tyranny I was initially startled to read this since native Americans flahed through my mind, who, of course, have experienced occupation and tyranny. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Congressional Record: Leftist Agenda, 1963
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/3/99 2:57:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Break down cultural standards of morality Well it sure sounds like the leftist agenda has been wholly successful among the Republicans. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Listen Up! Clinton Supporting Scum!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 9:17:08 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: The Clinton elections was a Rockefeller coup d'tat. Ross Perot got his start with contracts from Nelson Rockefeller. Rockefeller used Perot and his press power to throw the election to Clinton a CIA-Rockefeller tool. Now we have a Rockefeller National Security dictatorship under Clinton...thank God the Anglophile conspiracy isn't going to let the Rockefeller cabal winthey want to maintain an Oligarchical Establishment, with some semblance of the rule of law not a stinking dictatorship. Oh. OK. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Euro (Re: [CTRL] Source: Fate Of Clinton Being Decided At ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 9:35:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Could you please quantify this? A quick check of census figures and the C1A World Factbook he difference in average income between Germany and Greece is greater than the difference between Connecticut and Mississippi (the difference between west east Germany is even greater). Or were you referring to the difference in income levels between the richest and poorest within a country? In Europe these are held lower by high rates of taxation and social welfare, i.e. income redistribution. Yes, one must be careful in these comparisons. It's sort of like the epidemiological studies that can make cancer rate differentials invisible by carefully selecting the population group. As you suggest, when considering income or wealth gaps, one must look at ratios of the richest to the poorest. When considering absolute income, it is important to look at medians rather than averages. Europe will never be as cohesive as the US due to differences in language. But I don't see this as being much of a factor in the Euro being a popular trading currency. Trading ties and currency stability will factor much higher. Look for the Euro to be popular in Europe, Africa, possibly Western Asia, and the Dollar to maintain its strength in Eastern Asia and the Americas. Che You are probably correct for over the next few years. The reason i believe that those nations which have the most widely shared income, wealth, knowledge, and power are going to become gradually dominant is that such a nation is naturally able to marshall superior strength in any endeavor over other countries of similar population size. Of course, this applies to the 290 million Euro Europeans compared to the US. Unless our corporate masters and their servants, the Republicans and the news media wake up fast, and there is no sign of this about to happen, the Euro folks are going to pass us economically. The international politics follows the money. Nothing has been more revealing than the way Bush and his boys passed the begging bowl so we could make war in The Gulf. The Japanese really rubbed it in when they objected to having to pay at all saying they could live with Saddam just fine. To a great extent out international leadership rests upon the memories of WWII and fears among various nations of Japan and Germany including fears from many in Japan and Germany. This condition is has weakened some and, naturally, will contine to do so with the passage of time. We didn't have to help it along with our cowboy adventures in Vietnam, Panama etc. but that is another story. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill Clinton: Deadbeat Dad?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 9:44:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Other persons with offices there, according to the 1956 Dallas City Directory, included George DeMohrenschildt, Suite 1639-40; Linda, is this the guy who turned out to be a sort of facilitator for Lee Harvey Oswald? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] China White, USA
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/99 9:23:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The use of China White and other forms of illegal drugs is now rampant in the United States. I trust we are all aware of the irony. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Larry Flynt Blackmailing Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/2/99 11:34:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I really liked it when Jerry Falwell commented that surely in all those men, they should be able to find one who had been faithful to his wife. It took them a while, but they finally got one. Which one? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] United States of Urantia
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 3:34:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that bait is awfully old. no one is going to bite on that anymore. you are obviously an agent for some right wing police state advocacy group. are they still sending you checks? they obviously don't know that you are the list joke here. better hope they don't update your file, you might find yourself knocking on the gate at the russian consulate in bolivia. hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. I'm not sure what you are objecting to. Can you be explicit? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Poll Conspiracy - Public Opinion Conspiracy - Voting C...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/99 12:39:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: And, you are on a conspiracy research list, and you're putting out the bunk that Clinton is the one responsible for the economy? He's giving the Alan Greenspan crowd, The Ruling Elite, what they want, and Greenspan keeps the interest rates down. Also, the economy is only great for the Vultures on Wall Street, the average working man is groaning under unnecessary debt artificially created by even the "low" interest rates we have, and the ungodly tax burden. OK, Lloyd, you don't trust the polls and you don't trust the election. Perhaps you would trust the polls and elections only if they came out as you please. Where i find a major disconnect in your opinions that you assume Clinton is the boy of the ruling elite. However, the ruling elites must constantly check him such as paring back the initial request for increasing the minimum wage or setting up an expensive and extensive propaganda barrage against national health insurance. I fully agree that although GDP keeps climbing and the number of millionaires in the nation grows, the average guy is not sharing in the prosperity of the rich. I hardly think that the answer is to vote against the one presidential candidate and party which consistently proposes and works for a more inclusive society. I don't buy the quasi-nihilistic notion of they're all the same. History is clearly on our side. The march of history has been toward a greater sharing of power and wealth. The SOBs that have recently reversed this trend are going to be rolled over. Contrary to popular opinion on this list, people are not stupid. They do catch on and begin to vote for and work for their own interest and for the values they share. I do get a little tired of constantly seeming to defend Clinton when it is merely a matter of choosing to be led by a brilliant talented leader who has ideas and spiritually based ideals or a wholly cynical gang of power hungry hypocrites who can only view society as something to manipulate. Cheers and have a happy new year. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] CHRISTMAS WISHES
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/30/98 3:03:41 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you have not seen the film about the ark on mount ararat. it is there. any more leaps of faith, june? it was archeological In 1977 our family paid full fare to see The Ark. It was a cheesy presentation made by, i think, Christopher Frates. One month later it was shown on non-premium TV. I have seen several Ark documentaries since but have had the sense to not pay for any. When the Ark is brought to the US near my home and there are signed affidavits from the Pope and the President plus a herd of scientists that feces has been identified from every species on board the thing i will be impressed. I won't believe but will be impressed that such a conspiracy could be arranged. Of course, many do not require even common sense to believe most anything. Surely the Nobel prize for credulity should be given to those poor souls who have their bodies or heads frozen in hopes they will be brought back to life when cures are found for dead brains, kidneys, livers, etc ravaged by a life of hard living. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 7:30:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you do the math, the percentage of the actual population of the United States represented in the polls works out to .027%. That doesn't sound very "representative" to me! Statistical samplig, especially when stratified, can yield highly accurate results from a relatively small number of respondents. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Weapons of Mass Deception
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/27/98 8:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes, if Saddam had any sense at all, he would hire a liberal American political consultant on the order of a Dick Morris This political rant ran down hill after this unreal statement. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Snvel snivel was Re: Echoes from the Past
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/27/98 6:27:22 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My 5-year-old son Jack recently saw a picture of Clinton and said, "He lied." I couldn't disagree Where were all these 5-year old kids when Gingrich, as though in a sign of thing to come, was found to have had blow jobs in his congressional office, claiming to the women, two of whom stepped forward, that since it was oral sex it didn't count. Where are these youngsters when livingston turns out to have had sex (in what sounds like not exactly affairs but service for service swaps with comely female lobbyists) in his office? There are others of course and they all lied. Are these 5-year olds strangely selective? When our kids were young, there were scandals also but our youngsters were not continually coming forward with "Why would that mean old person lie?" Could it be that these assorted stories about "what to tell the innocents" are so much horse shit? Another bit of hogwash we've heard a lot of recently is that everything was wonderful until those young people demonstrated against the Vietnam War in the 1960s. Of course, the reality is that these demonstrators, seeing that the war was evil, attempted to bring the war to a halt, thereby saving American and Vietnamese lives. Another thing those terrible liberals of the 1960s did was help to bring a screeching halt to the corrupt way of life of the Jim Crow south. The battle for civil rights was costly and the snivelers of today can thank those who paid the price to achieve the openness of today's society. Obviously, monster controversial issues are still with us in the form of poverty and environment. Both involve corporate exploitation and media manipulation. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bill: Thanks for the 1998 Memories
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/27/98 9:01:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Though the American people have always known you to be a lying rogue, they overlooked that in two elections. Gee, i wonder if that was because your first opponent brought us the wholly gratuitous invasions of Panama, Somalis, and got us permanently involved with Iraq. Most of us realize that the price has been steep and, at least in the case of Iraq, it has just begun. Your second opponent was also a lying philanderer (i know, the word lying is redundant since all philanderers lie). The difference was that you were capable and knowledgeable while Dole led by compromise, no ideas put forward - just draw a line in the middle of notions the media allow to be discussed. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [prj] Incredible Newsweek cover--European Union Tower ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 7:16:22 AM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: Lloyd Responds: Here's a good revision for you:--the Pope is the head of the Beast! Lloyd is a fellow member of the long, boring, bombastic, legalistic posters club that seems to thrive on this list. Here he is at least brief but in being so he has exposed his know nothing fundamentalist philosophy with great clarity. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Polls
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/28/98 11:53:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: routinely garner 75 to 85 percent support. Even regular polls show a hardcore of one-third of the public that wants to see Clinton ousted immediately. Add to that those who don't answer, those who don't reveal the truth, and those for whom the entire political game is utterly sickening, and you've reached the two-thirds mark and then some. When are you Clinton haters going to stop weaseling about Clinton's popularity and face the fact that the voters have elected him twice, think he is terrific for the economy and conducts foreign policy much better than his recent predecessors? All your awkward rationalizing does not persuade. Polling has become an important statistical discipline, the practitioners know the ins and outs. You simply don't want to know the facts but the Republicans will pay the price in 2000. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Capitol Punishment
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/22/98 7:01:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Four Republican congressmen who voted to impeach President Clinton joined with those seeking presidential censure Tuesday by urging the Senate to consider options short of removal from office. I'm afraid that i have to agree with those rabid Republicans who referred to these 4 gentlemen as sniveling hypocrites. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sex Scrutiny Casts Pall Over U.S. Public Office (Reuters)
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/22/98 7:02:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The closer scrutiny of politicians' sex lives is making private acts increasingly public as a sex magazine publisher Tuesday threatened to expose more lawmakers over alleged transgressions. The news media take here in Monicaland is that Flynt is lower than a snake to do these investigations. This may seem like an odd reaction from the crowd who couldn't put forth enough sexual material and speculation about Clinton. Understandably, the media masters do not care to have their fellow faithful servants exposed. I think it is a good thing to end the pretense, i.e. to end the prattling about family values from those who hold to such values neither personally nor in voting. Pour it on Flynt, and let he who first cries hold... Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] And Cauldron Bubble
-Caveat Lector- December 22, 1998 ABROAD AT HOME / By ANTHONY LEWIS And Cauldron Bubble BOSTON -- Should Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg and Kenneth Starr decide who is to be President of the United States? When you analyze the principal argument made for the impeachment of President Clinton, you are brought inevitably to that question. Perjury was the House Republican mantra, the argument pressed by the hard right to bring moderates to heel. In the debate, one Republican after another said he or she had to vote to impeach Bill Clinton because he lied under oath. But that proposition overlooks what the trio did. The President tried to keep his sexual improprieties secret. That was neither surprising nor ignoble. Henry Hyde and Robert Livingston did the same, and so men have done since the Creation. But Monica Lewinsky told Mrs. Tripp, a former White House employee who had been trying for years to harm President Clinton. At the urging of Ms. Goldberg, a right-wing literary agent, Mrs. Tripp taped her telephone conversations with Ms. Lewinsky. She told Paula Jones's lawyers and Mr. Starr about the tapes. The resulting trap was sprung on the President at his deposition in the Jones case. That was the fount of his troubles. So it is vital to understand how his testimony has effectively been judged. Mr. Clinton denied, famously, having had "sexual relations" with Ms. Lewinsky. The definition of that was so obscure that no jury was likely to convict him of perjury in his denial. And the House of Representatives evidently took the same view. It rejected the article of impeachment charging him with perjury in the deposition. Mr. Starr had another string for his bow. He called the President before a grand jury, where he was asked about his statements in the Jones deposition. Then Mr. Starr charged that Mr. Clinton's answers were false. Again, I doubt that a jury would have convicted Mr. Clinton of perjury. Millions of Americans saw the videotape of his grand jury appearance and most sympathized with him -- indeed, were outraged at what he was put through. But House Republicans said that the President's answers to the Starr prosecutors were perjurious. That is, answers that the House found were not perjurious at the original proceeding became high crimes when the same answers were given again. No other American would have had to undergo that second turn of the screw. Targets of prosecutors customarily invoke the Fifth Amendment; Justice Department rules discourage calling them before grand juries. But Mr. Starr, determined to get something on him after four years of fruitless investigation, guessed correctly that for political reasons the President would not refuse to testify. In truth, many House Republicans who cited perjury as their ground for impeachment had deeper reasons. They do not like this President. An unmistakable venom ran through the whole process. An astute foreign eye saw it clearly. Philip Stevens of The Financial Times wrote: "This was not about the sacred Constitution of the United States. It wasn't even honest politics. The impeachment of Bill Clinton was personal. It was an act of vengeance." Conservatives have hated Bill Clinton since the day he took office. Some conservative commentators, broadcast and print, seem obsessed by the man. Robert Livingston, before he gave up the Speaker's job, showed his distorting animus when he said: "Richard Nixon's crime was covering up a crime he did not commit. Clinton is covering up a crime he did commit." There are reasons for politicians, Democratic and Republican, to distrust Bill Clinton. He has not played straight with many of them. And the public has reason to have been offended at his false assurance that he had not had sexual relations with that woman. But those are not grounds for impeachment, or resignation, unless we are going to make the impeachment process a vote of no confidence and move toward a parliamentary system of government. In the end, I do not believe that the Senate or the public will want to reward hatred. I do not believe they will want our political fate to be decided by Linda Tripp, Lucianne Goldberg and Kenneth Starr. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL
[CTRL] 60 Minutes and Soros
-Caveat Lector- Did anyone else watch 60 Minutes last night? I watched in befuddlement as the reporter evaded a substantive interview by continually asking such things as What makes GS tick? Or don't you feel dishonest when you advice other countries on how to protect their economies when you speculate on those currencies the next day? People magazine goes forward with its psychobabble permeating all. Here was a rare opportunity for the average guy to hear what one of the few knowledgeable people on the global who are willing to speak has to say. CBS blew it good, possibly to give the impression that there really are no credible opinions other than the official corporate/government line. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] FWD: WH Secret Police??
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 11:50:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: By DICK MORRIS CAN anyone seriously believe that the ''outing'' of incoming House Speaker Robert Livingston's extra-marital affairs is not the work of the White House Secret Police? Of course. It will apparently surprise you to know that some press operations are not controlled, only the biggies and some house organs are. There are investigative reporters out there. One aggressive investigator who has travel money is all that is needed. Each politician has enemies eager to talk. It's not mysterious. Of course, Larry Flynt probably helped smoke out BL. It is claimed that the mainstream reporters know this stuff already because the folks who got screwed (figuratively or literally) tell them this stuff. It is not reported by these guys but when they drink in a friendly club situation or feel disgusted enough to pass the info on to a small operator, things can get out. The element of conspiracy in this information is exaggerated. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] House of Arrogance
-Caveat Lector- December 20, 1998 NYT IN AMERICA / By BOB HERBERT House of Arrogance In the end, the will of the people meant nothing. Bob Livingston couldn't have been clearer about that. His mind and the minds of his followers were closed. Even as the bombing continued in Iraq and Americans from coast to coast were clamoring for an alternative to impeachment, even as his own adulterous past was being flushed out in the grotesque invasions of privacy that inevitably followed the relentlessly prurient pursuit of the President, even as the country began to contemplate the destructive effects of a lengthy and bitter Senate trial, the Speaker-designate arrogantly and stupidly proclaimed: "Let us disregard the outside influences." The radicals on the Hill would hear nothing but the echoes of their own fanaticism. Impeach! Impeach! And that continued even after the stunning announcement yesterday morning that Mr. Livingston would quit the House. Dismayed by the partisan stampede, Richard Gephardt, the Democratic leader, warned during the impeachment debate on Friday: "In your effort to uphold the Constitution, you are trampling the Constitution." David Bonior, the Democratic whip, said: "This is wrong. It is unfair. It is unjust. At a time when events in the world and the challenges at home demand that we stand united, censure is the one solution that can bring us together. To my colleagues across the aisle, I say let go of your obsession. Listen to the American people." But the voices of reason would not be heard. Mr. Livingston and his right-wing colleagues, the Tom DeLays, the Henry Hydes, the Bob Barrs, were on a mission of destruction and would not be denied. Ordinary Americans could cry out all they wanted. They could protest and demonstrate, send faxes and E-mails. It didn't matter. The right was on the march and democracy was on the run. Representative Thomas Barrett, a Democrat from Wisconsin, tried to remind his Republican colleagues that the Constitution "does not allow you to remove a President from office because you can't stand him." He was, of course, ignored. The Republicans will pay a huge price for their brazen, utterly partisan attempt to drag a President from the White House in defiance of the will of the people. The party's contempt for the voters was arrogantly summed up by Alan Simpson, the former Senator from Wyoming, who said: "The attention span of Americans is which movie is coming out next month and whether the quarterly report on their stock will change." If the voters are the dopes that Mr. Simpson thinks they are, then come 2000 everyone will have forgotten there was an impeachment crisis. But Representative Robert Menendez, a New Jersey Democrat, was probably closer to the truth when he said, "I warn my colleagues that you will reap the bitter harvest of the unfair partisan seeds you sow today." One of the many strange events of the past couple of weeks was the way in which virtually all of the previously undecided Republicans, the so-called moderates, surrendered their independence and lined up like lackeys to follow the right wing's lead. All proclaimed loudly that they were voting on principle, but in fact it was an exercise in mass cowardice, exemplified by Representative John McHugh of upstate New York. Mr. McHugh announced on Tuesday that he would vote for impeachment. But if his decision was based on principle, he had an odd way of expressing it. The Washington Post said Mr. McHugh appeared to have no stomach for a Senate conviction or removal of the President from office. Of his colleagues in the Senate, Mr. McHugh said, "I, for one, would accept, even welcome, their mercy." In other words, let the Senate do the heavy constitutional lifting. Congressman McHugh may have wished out loud for mercy, but he clearly was too frightened of the right-wingers in the House to cast a compassionate vote himself. The G.O.P. can no longer conceal that it is a party of extremists, of right- wing absolutists, a party out of step with the political and cultural orientation of most Americans. Bob Livingston may be leaving, but his arrogant comment can still serve as his party's slogan. "Let us disregard the outside influences." Let us disregard the people. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.
[CTRL] Cheapening the issues
-Caveat Lector- Have you noticed how Gephardt and a few others are saying what the Republicans neither dare nor desire to say? Gephardt is saying that the sex revelations are the result of a McCarthy-like devolution of political discussion. The revelations should come to a halt because they obfuscate important. One could say that Gephardt is saying this because he may be next. Hey, who knows. IMO he is speaking out because he knows that politics is the life blood of democracy. Politics means the discussion and debate of issues so that the facts and trade offs become apparent. When meaningful discussion about he future of American society is overwhelmed by trivia, democracy loses its meaning. Why have political choice if people don't know what the choices are? The Democrats wish to discuss issues that impact the future lives of Americans. That's because they are the party of the middle class people, minorities, women, and the dispossessed. The Republicans do not wish to discuss meaningful issues because doing so clarifies their servitude to the rich and privileged. This is the reason the Republicans and the news media keep waving red flags, to titillate the public and get people to stop thinking about the interests of the nation. Thus, we hear about OJ, Jon Benet, Princess Diana, Clinton's sexual activity. It is inconvenient to base a coup on sheer willfulness, there has to be some pseudo issue dreamed up. Base it on sex and when that effort blows up in the Republican face, go to narrow legalism. But always the issues must be obscured. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Debate and The Media
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/20/98 1:49:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One of those loonies who thinks the Bible is something other than a bunch of legends and idiotic superstitions. A lot of us do. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Khazaria.......NOT!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 4:59:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The blatant dishonest extrapolation of this idea is only advocated by ignorant racists serving the interests of those who want to divert the blame from themselves for NWO consequences and pawn the responsibility onto a single ethnic/religous group who form but a small minority of the classification truly responsible for the evils now becoming apparent. Well, it sounds like the ever plotting nefarious Jews have been caught with their hand in the jar again. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 6:49:26 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, it's you Clintonistas who keep telling yourself it IS only about sex... The rest of us know it's about perjury and obstruction of justice... From January to October the Republicans and the news media told us it was all about sex. They described the activities in great detail, even a large volume of salacious material was released by the Republicans to the delight of the press. Then, all became quiet and the news media seemed confused and the Republicans chagrined. Then in a bit Salon let it be known that Henry Hyde, Dan Burton, and Helen Chenoweth were lying adulterers like that mean old Clinton. Then it was leaked that Strom Thrurmond had a child out of wedlock with an African-American woman although he, unlike Burton who also fathered a child out of wedlock, at least paid some child support (hush money?). What to do? Then, shazam, it was no longer a matter of sex or about lying. It was a matter of lying under oath about sex! Phew! (see Barb Witts last post if you doubt that this is the new party line. To tell the truth, these lying ass Republicans are right. It isn't about sex or lies. It is about a strange right-wing belief that only they are entitled to rule and it serves their and God's purpose to do anything including dragging this country down to dust to take control of the nation. It is about a coup d'etat. It is about enacting a crime under network TV cameras. It is about the arrogant rich and their servants (the Republicans and the news media) telling the world that they and they alone will make they key decisions in this country. Maybe it is a banana republic at that. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/19/98 12:15:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, the Civil War was about States' Rights...slavery was a side issue, and Lincoln did NOT support the Union coming out with a diffinitive statement against slavery... Slavery was the issue of the civil war. Read McPherson. The States Rights stuff was used by the South to keep from having to argue the slavery question since they obviously were in a morally bankrupt position. The South used the States Rights argument again in the 1950s and 19960s to avoid the civil rights issue. It didn't work that time either. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- From: KA [EMAIL PROTECTED] : To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] : Subject: Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!! : Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 6:38 PM : : : "Trent 'draft dodger' Lott"? : : Perhaps you can elucidate on CLINTON's military experience for us? The difference between Clinton and guys like Lott, Gingrich, Armey, Gramm et al is that Clinton was against the Vietnam War because he realized that it was corrupt and against US interests, even participated in a demonstration against it. These other fellow were all for the war. Armey even said that his draft dodging was OK since he always spoke out in favor of the war. Many of these hawks would say that we must support the war (prolong it) since that would be in support of our troops. Does anyone not know how one of our soldiers in Vietnam would have responded to a sudden cessation of the fighting and going back home with the war unwon? I fully respect those draft dodgers who were motivated by the evil of the war or even simply realized that it did not make sense. I do not respect the draft dodging of the war supporters. (The reaction of Private Ryan was baloney - the reality is that our soldiers in WWII were never rotated. If they were front-line troops, they remained in the thick of it until the war ended, they were injured, or they were killed. Any one of them would have fell to his knees and after thanking God, would have eagerly permitted Tom Hanks to escort them to safety.) Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 2:55:14 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As far as Livingston, or any of the other philanderers/crooks in office, they too can screw their brains out, they just cannot lie about it beforea trial court and a grand jury. In any ethics class or discussion, your statement would be an excellent example of narrow legalism taking the place of objective reality. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Honour Among ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/18/98 6:28:04 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the impeachment ISN'T ABOUT SEX... Just keep telling yourself that. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Some Thought on Iraq
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 1:38:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The peoples of Iraq face the same dilemma that Americans do - removing a unfit leader (some believe his is unfit) from office. Each of our peoples are presented with problems in doing just that. Though considering the growing number of corpses surrounding the Clinton Administration I suspect that these problems that one could encounter are very similar indeed. It's really inconvenient when the facts get in the way, as Reagan would say. Most Americans are not confronted with the problem of removing their democratically elected leader. Most Americans are confronted with a radical right-wing cabal and a compliant press who are attempting to remove the President on a trivial legalism. As for the corpses, i suggest that you visit the urban legends site. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Skolnick: Various Dangers To Clinton and Gore
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 3:48:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Wednesday, Dec. 16, 1998, according to Mr. Skolnick's sources, over a score of top-level military brass, Admirals and Generals, were considering how to go about arresting President Bill Clinton, their Commander-in-Chief, under provisions of the U.S. Military Code. This is pure bunk. We are not some banana republic. One or two generals, ala General Walker during the 1960s, may be treasonous and looney as well but not more than a score. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 7:09:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't care if she pranced into the Oval Office stark naked and threw herself on him Isn't it a little overboard to believe that every consensual illicit affair between adults is a case of sexual harassment? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] !!! NEWS FLASH !!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 9:23:19 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: They don't have to strike today, tomorrow or next month. The people have no where go . EXCEPT TO PUT UP A SMOKE SCREEN to cover up for a criminal politician, there is no reason why this must be done today, The UNSCOM report had just come out stating that there is every sign that Saddam is going ahead with his WMD program. In the meantime, Saddam had shut the UNSCOM down so surveillance was no longer taking place. Since Iraq could develop a major capability in just a few months, Clinton had to act fast. Since launching an attack during Ramadan would be awkward, Wednesday was a good choice. I trust you are not like Trent "draft dodger" Lott who complained a short while back that Clinton missed an opportunity to bomb Iraq. Now, of course, he is in a rage over the bombing. Could it be that Lott is so unprincipled that his stance merely depends upon what political wind seems convenient? Incidentally, Lott was full of praise for the racist group that Bob "family values" Barr recently keynoted for. I do agree that innocent people will be injured and killed in addition to their property destroyed and they will be indirectly harmed by destruction of utilities. That is why people like Lugar, Gingrich, and Lott should not be so eager for war as a way to prove their manhood, i.e. show machismo by sending other to die. Strange how on the right, with people like Safire who have been screaming for the US to bomb Iraq, there are now only pacifists. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Incidentally, today's unbelievable, brazen, crass act of war against Iraq by Clinton and the claque of Jews around him (Cohen, Berger, Albright, Emanuel, and on and on and on) goes will go along way within six months to have many more Americans using the term ZOG (zionist occupational governement) and JOB (Jewish Occupational Government). This attack has nothing to do with American interests, as more and more Americans are waking up to that simple reality. Jim Condit Jr. You're not an anti-Semite? The dictionaries should show your face in the definition space. Incidentally, i don't need Fr. Fahey to tell me what anti- Semitism is since i have seen it all my life and find it disgusting. Your uncharacteristic errors in syntax betrays your blind rage. President Clinton launched the attack to cripple Saddam's WMD capability. Saddam had placed so many restrictions on UNSCOM that UNSCOM left Iraq. Therefore, there was no longer any surveillance of Saddam's WMD development status. However, the final UNSCOM report stated that Iraq was proceeding as fast as it could given the presence of UNSCOM. Since Iraq could develop a serious arsenal in just a few months, President Clinton had to move fairly fast. Since it would be awkward to start the bombing during Ramadan, the JCS advised him to act now. The brouhaha about the timing is just more Republican hysteria. Anyway, it is not a big deal to put off the impeachment (coup d'etat) vote for another few weeks. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Bob Dole
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did he tell her that she could not get pregnant if he did not come in her too. Did i mss something in the little mickey mouse class i had to take on "marriage?" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Perjury
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/17/98 10:09:10 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. We have lost control of our country, and you don't have to look into shadowy, mysterious organizations to see who now runs it. It's on your TV every hour, 24 hours a day when an event like this is on --- those working with AIPAC, the evil B'nai B'rith, and the Isreali lobby. It's now out in the open for everyone to see. It is necessary that we have a Christian, dignified, but vigorous attitude as we move to take back our country like the Catholic Church in the Middle Ages, and not fall for unjust reactions to unjust aggression such as was overseen by the evil Adolph Hitler -- who really has turned out to be the best propaganda weapon that anti-Christ Jewry ever had. First, I'm glad that you're not an anti-Semite. This is the first time we have seen a major prolonged attack on a sovereign nation who was not already attacking somebody else. Have you been asleep for the past forty years? We attacked North Vietnam before their North Vietnamese troops went into south. Of course, "South Vietnam" was merely an invention to keep the Vietnamese from governing themselves but that's another story. We invaded Panama making 20,000 homeless. What country were the Panamanians attacking? We invaded Grenada. We bombed Libya. We put together terrorist groups to attack Nicaragua and ferried them about for this purpose not to mention mining the national harbor. Would overthrowing democratically elected governments in Iran, Guatemala, and Chile count? Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Hate Speech and Canada
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 1:54:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the people that are trying to continually drag up the Holocaust in the way that they have (Harp and Duck) should have some thing done to them. Actually, i have merely responded to other's posts that insinuate that the Jews brought it all on themselves. Still, fry dr. quack quack if you must but what, choke, would you have done to us? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Here Comes Da Judge ...
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 4:10:54 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As if to foreshadow Clinton's difficulties, Rehnquist explains that Johnson's conviction would have opened the door to frivolous impeachment attempts against subsequent presidents. It's good to point out Rhenquist's "on the record" thinking but this is the guy who claimed a lawsuit against Clinton could proceed while Clinton was still in office because a lawsuit would not distract the President. He is also the guy who, before he was appointed to the Supreme Court used to hang out at election booth lines intimidating minority folks. Even the supposedly less rabid Republicans like Hyde take no notice of their past declarations. The Republicans smell blood and no constitutional principle is going to stop them. Jerry Harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] A kinder, gentler lynch mob - Part I
-Caveat Lector- A kinder, gentler lynch mob Salon, 12/15/98 THE 'PEACHY-KEEN GOP HAS SHOWN ITS TRUE COLORS -- AND THEY CONFIRM THE MOST BRAIN-DEAD RADICAL STEREOTYPES FROM THE '60S. BY GARY KAMIYA I grew up believing that Republicans were the incarnation of all evil. This was a harsh and unsophisticated judgment, but the political discourse of 1960s Berkeley, where I grew up, lacked a certain refinement. In fact, to be honest, it was pretty much taken straight from Saturday morning cartoons. In our righteous view, "the people," whoever they were, were always being "oppressed" by The Man, a bloated GOP plutocrat mouthing pious moral maxims. It went without saying that Republicans were self-righteous, mean-spirited rich white men who secretly napalmed Cambodian villages, turned loose the dogs against civil rights marchers and dug the Carpenters. They were Bad, and if we could somehow get rid of them -- meanwhile taking lots of acid and listening to Hendrix -- Good Things would happen. Later, like many of my co-religionists, I became embarrassed by these sentiments. Such crude beliefs were unseemly. Sophistication demanded a more nuanced view. Republicans, I now realized, could be decent men and women who were just parroting the country-club line. Even the Reagan Age -- that endless period I as a Californian was forced to spend under the Great Communicator's genially callous thumb, while the Woolly Mammoths died out and Ice Ages came and went across the globe -- couldn't make me return to the wooden Stalinist sloganeering of my youth. I even reevaluated the Carpenters. And then came the Starr referral and Henry Hyde and the House Judiciary Committee vote, and I realized I had gotten it right the first time. When the Republicans in the full House vote to remove President Clinton from office, as they will almost certainly do, they will prove that those brain- dead radical stereotypes about them really do apply. They will be revealed as mean-spirited, partisan hacks, hypocrites, moral absolutists hiding their craven desire for vengeance and power beneath a ridiculously transparent façade of pious "deliberation" and "respect for law." The GOP will stand exposed before all of America as the party of vicious, petty ideologues who, in their outrageous desire to undo the results of two lawful elections, seized upon a grotesquely acquired legalistic evasion that falls so far short of meeting the constitutional standard of high crimes and misdemeanors as to be laughable. Or, let's give them the benefit of the doubt, as the ever-generous New York Times did in a recent editorial. Let's assume that some of them are actually sincere in their belief that lying about sex -- in an obvious vendetta case brought by a biased and obsessed "independent" counsel who, after utterly failing to find any serious misdeeds, connived to lay a perjury trap -- constitutes an impeachable offense. But if they really believe that, then we must conclude that either their grasp of the Constitution is so weak that their fitness to sit in any elected office is highly questionable, or that they are so rigid in their moral purity as to be Torquemadas in power ties, quasi-theocratic inquisitors who would turn America into a frightening Bible Belt version of 15th century Spain or 20th century Iran. Why are the Republicans doing this? Why, defying the express wishes of the American people, are they trampling on the Constitution, weakening the presidency and inaugurating a hideous new political world of blood feuds and true hatred? And why are they ignoring the warnings from the business community -- to which they used to listen -- that impeachment is dangerous and destabilizing? The answer is simple: This is who they are. This action reflects the GOP's true nature. This is a party so desperate to burn a president they dislike at the stake that they'll incinerate the Constitution to get the fire started. All that hoo-hah a few weeks ago about how Robert Livingston was going to bring a new "moderation" to the party now that nutty professor Gingrich was gone stands revealed as empty verbiage. The truth is that this is now a party of zealots and ideologues, obsessed crusaders who have completely lost touch with the common sense, fairness and decency of the American people. Like Pol Pot's Khmer Rouge, who declared a purifying "Year Zero" when history's slate was to be wiped clean (and all nonpeasants were to be killed), these high- minded crusaders want to restore America's sense of moral purpose -- and if they have to trash the country in order to do it, well, extremism in the defense of virtue is no vice! To the tumbrels with the parasites, citizens, while the Times and the Post knit their stern editorials! GOP "moderates"? What moderates? The few "moderates" who are trotted forth on TV to be shown to the mob, like condemned Chinese dissidents with signs hanging around their necks, seem barely sentient. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==
[CTRL] A Kinder, Gentler Lynch Mob - Part II
-Caveat Lector- A KINDER, GENTLER LYNCH MOB | PAGE 1, 2 - - - - - - - - - - The façade of "judiciousness" and "bipartisanship" that the pious media, ever cowed by the musty aura of Historic Constitutional Events, dark-wooded chambers, invocations of "our national honor" and other useful fig leafs for skullduggery, tried to sell us has vanished without a trace. Hyde, the Iran- contra apologist and wisecracking GOP attack dog who was elevated to Solomon- like heights of wisdom by the media before the disgraceful House Judicial proceedings began, has now taken up final residence in the trash can with unsavory American byproducts like our anal home-grown Robespierre, Kenneth Starr, and the maniacal Bob Barr, who apparently believes that Clinton should have been impeached at birth. There was Hyde this weekend on the talk shows, saying that Clinton should resign. This paragon of impartiality apparently modeled his jurisprudential approach on the Red Queen in "Alice in Wonderland," who, as a witness departs in the trial of the Knave of Hearts, says under her voice, "And just take off his head outside." But, gosh, he sure sounds courtly talking that parliamentary talk. In fact, Hyde may have been taking those groveling Times setup pieces a little too seriously, for this weekend he began to invoke no less a figure than Jesus Christ. Asked by Cokie Roberts why he advocated impeachment and didn't think censure should be an option despite popular opinion, he replied, "If Jesus Christ had taken a poll, he would never have preached the gospel." This is a wonderful addition to the great American tradition of reactionary invocations of Jesus, who after patriotism represents the best refuge for scoundrels. (The all-time winner remains that English-only advocate who declaimed, "If English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me.") With all due respect to the pious motivations behind Chairman Hyde's religious parallel, however, it may not be a good strategy for him to go there. Somehow, when one looks at the faces of Clinton's judges -- the pig-eyed ex-exterminator Tom DeLay; the robotic, hate-filled Barr; the snidely, vitriolic David Schippers; the priggish choirboy-judge Bill McCollum -- the loving face of the Savior does not exactly rush into one's mind. In fact, these worthies recall somewhat less inspiring figures from the New Testament -- namely the Pharisees, those vengeful, legalistic Jews who denounced Jesus. (The "moderates," who will doubtless be washing their hands avidly in the days to come, conjure up that noted Northeastern GOP fence-sitter, Pontius Pilate.) Admittedly, the mushy- souled escape artist President Clinton makes a truly terrible Jesus, but the imagery still isn't good. The Republicans are zealots, but they're crafty zealots. Their attempt to take Clinton down may blow up in their faces, but they have reasons for thinking it won't. They think they can get away with this without being punished at the polls, even if they don't kill Clinton. But they cherish a secret hope that they will kill him -- that once impeachment is a fait accompli, with all the previously mentioned flag-waving, invocation of the Founders, gravity of the charges blah blah blah, public opinion will turn against Clinton, leading either to his resignation or to his conviction and removal by the Senate. And that hope is based on their belief that Clinton's support is inch-deep -- that once the American people realize he's in trouble, they'll desert him like rats abandoning a sinking ship. It's the self-fulfilling prophecy strategy, and it is astonishingly contemptuous. It presumes that the American people have no memory, no spiritual or moral consistency, that they are incapable of holding onto any position any longer than a jittery kid with a remote can watch one TV program. The GOP believes this for several reasons. First, they too are children of our Warholian society of the spectacle, in which everything that flickers across the screen has equal weight and nothing stays on the screen for more than a few seconds. As such, they too have been seduced by the belief that, in Marx's words, "all that is solid melts into air." Yesterday's Clinton supporter is today's impeachment supporter. The scary thing is, they just might be right. There have been very few tests of our national consistency in the channel-changing age. The public might be influenced by the media, which has begun running this-is-a-whole-new-ballgame- now stories. The Times, much of whose Clinton coverage continues to appall, splashed on its cover a thin reaction story (ominous headline: "Gravity of the issues sinking in for a public weary of scandal") that featured two or three people in that multicultural mirror of America, Tarrytown, N.Y., saying they were now leaning toward impeachment. (How odd, considering nothing in this story has changed in months except the vote to impeach.) But it would be bitterly ironic (although perfectly consistent,
Re: [CTRL] The Holocaust
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 10:55:53 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Holocaust" literature also suggests that Christianity is inherently "anti-Semitic" and that the Catholic Church collaborated in the "Holocaust". Both of these statements are true and easily verifiable. Christianity has a long history of anti-Semitism. I believe that Christianity has now essentially shucked that evil, the exception in the US being the racism of the identity movement (there are, of course, parallel groups in Europe). The southern Klansmen and white Aryan groups have heavily infiltrated the militia groups. The militia groups was already imbedded with the identity movement. The southern racists found it was easy to add another brand of hate to these deeply suspicious men who had already been forced off farms and out of heavy industry as the economy began to seriously go global in the 1980s. The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) who had been tracking the movements of the most prominent racists were the first to detect this movement of leaders from the Klan and white citizen counsels to the militias. They have now set up a militia tracking unit. They report on both the traditional Klan type activity and the racist activity among the militia in their Intelligence Report, a quarterly. Of course racism is having a bit of a resurgence in Europe due to East European "wetbacks" swarming into West Europe. The Westerners resent the job competition much as the folks in California resented the "Okies" et al during the 1930s The Catholic Church did not collaborate in the Holocaust. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 11:06:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Does anyone here know even one person who would be able to enter one of our underground facilities in case of such trouble? Apart from that place in Virginia (?) does anyone know where our underground facilities are? (Not talking about subways.) Are any of them designed to be "open to the public"? Or are we all expendable? No, i don't. My recollection is that by the 1970s, most people were mocking what feeble federal efforts had been made to carry on in case of a US/USSR nuclear war. For me, the most ludicrous was not even the "duck and cover" nonsense, but rather the Postal Service plan to continue delivering the mail. God forbid we should miss an issue of Readers Digest! Few believed in the efficacy of the few shelters that had been built or conversions of basements in governmental buildings completed. The government folks apparently agreed and the shelter notion was quietly abandoned except for the few DC elite. While i agree that we are unprepared for nuclear weapons hitting our cities, it is not probable that anything practical can be done. Those backward shelters of the 1950s would have been money wasted if an attack would have occurred. There was a controversial British animation film on this that was shown on PBS. There was also an American film with the woman who headed up the NEA for a time playing a major acting role. Made you wonder if survival was necessarily the best thing. Jerry harp DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] SnoOwl: Hillary's got my vote!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/16/98 6:55:00 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you really think she's unaware, let alone wasn't responsible for, many (if not all) of the things that have gone on during her husband's tenure? Yeah, she's responsible for all of it. For everyone's sake, seek help. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Threats from Whitehouse!!!
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 7:46:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, lloyd@A- ALBIONIC.COM writes: Which raises the point: given the prevalence of Arkansas Sudden Death Syndrome You need to check out the urban legend site before you get your panties all in a bunch about nothing. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is the media turning on Clinton?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 9:51:49 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Has anyone besides myself noticed a slight--but nonetheless palpable--change in the media's approach to covering the Clinton impeachment proceedings? I could be wrong, but I am beginning to detect a certain "hostile abandonment" concerning Clinton's plight. Your observation surpasses all understanding. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: FREUDIAN SLIP ON FOX NEWS
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 10:29:01 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Was it a Freudian slip by CFR man and does he know something we don't know and why is CFR on fox news talking about terrorist attacks He's letting us know what to expect. The US is no longer exempt from the war. Unfortunately, our chickens (sabotaging various efforts by people around the globe to achieve freedom and democracy for themselves) are coming home to roost and there is going to be bloodshed. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Outline of new Republican National Health Plan.
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/14/98 11:20:17 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There, I hope that helped clarify things for you. Well, your response was a welcome laugh. Hope others enjoyed it also. Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] false news about Jonathan Pollard
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 12/15/98 5:49:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You would have thought by the coverage of the three Jewish controlled networksm (ABC, CBS, NBC) that Turner and Helms were involved in committing a crime Your bigotry is showing as usual. If you have intelligence, you are flushing it down the toilet since any person with sense discounts your messages. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
