Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- I get a kick out of arguments over religion - they all demand belief in one thing or another, and that is humankind's downfall, the eviction from Eden. Practice of a religion puts one in the cult of belief and removes responsibility for one's own thinking. Pure laziness, IMHO. The only new age that will actually be new is when belief is seen to be the deception and is discarded. This would be one version of a new paradigm people keep talking and writing about. But I ain't holding my breath that it can happen anytime soon. -Original Message- From: Zuukie [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 4:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo The New Age movement is not very well-defined. It is hard to imagine anyone marching lock- step with New Age philosophy. There are however, many cults, and many religions that require this kind of obedience. Steve On 12 Jul 2003 at 21:30, Zuukie wrote: New Age comes in thru both the right and the left, but once it's in, percentage wise, there is no deviation allowed. Just as in the Nazi period, no deviation from New Age thinking is allowed. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- It's not so hard to understand the borders of New Age thinking. Start with One World Government and One World Relgion and make sure that every thought you are allowed is for the good of the community as defined by others. See how the topics at the following site fit into those borders. http://www.wholeagain.com/home.html Understand that if you oppose anything on that list you are going against New Age thinking. The reference book put out by the group was even more extensive and was called the best guide to networking the New Age movement by leaders in that movement. To help you understand what the New Age movement is about, get some books on how the Nazis suckered the population into thinking that the Nazi movement was idealistic. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Steve Wingate Sent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 11:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo -Caveat Lector- The New Age movement is not very well-defined. It is hard to imagine anyone marching lock- step with New Age philosophy. There are however, many cults, and many religions that require this kind of obedience. Steve On 12 Jul 2003 at 21:30, Zuukie wrote: New Age comes in thru both the right and the left, but once it's in, percentage wise, there is no deviation allowed. Just as in the Nazi period, no deviation from New Age thinking is allowed. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- Funny, Rense is no more an anti-semite than you are Dorothy and Savage is Jewish. Bill. Bill, don't you undestand that if you criticize Israel - You ARE an anti-semite. Aren't you considered an 'anti-anglite' if you criticize England? An 'anti-Italianite' if you criticize Italy? 'An anti-Germanite' if you criticize Germany? How about all the recent 'anti-Gaulites' that recently came out of the closet. BTW, what do you call an anti-Arab? Is it an anti-Semantical Semite? Or perhaps a racist anti-Arab would simply be called a Lukudite. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- What's the matter? Can't you face it that one of the favorite sources of posters to this board is really supported by a New Age cult leader? Not all anti-Zionists are antisemites, but all antisemites are anti-Zionists. -Original Message- From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of flw Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2003 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo -Caveat Lector- Funny, Rense is no more an anti-semite than you are Dorothy and Savage is Jewish. Bill. Bill, don't you undestand that if you criticize Israel - You ARE an anti-semite. Aren't you considered an 'anti-anglite' if you criticize England? An 'anti-Italianite' if you criticize Italy? 'An anti-Germanite' if you criticize Germany? How about all the recent 'anti-Gaulites' that recently came out of the closet. BTW, what do you call an anti-Arab? Is it an anti-Semantical Semite? Or perhaps a racist anti-Arab would simply be called a Lukudite. flw www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/2003 11:43:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What's the matter? Can't you face it that one of the favorite sources of posters to this board is really supported by a New Age cult leader? Not all anti-Zionists are antisemites, but all antisemites are anti-Zionists. It's funny that Dorothy is playing amateur sleuth now and trying to discredit sources that disagree with her Israel-first worldview...So oooh, Rense is allegedly "supported" by incense merchants and airy-fairy crystal wearers...big freakin' deal. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- From a friend: I did a little more research about the parent network company (Foundation of Human Understanding www.fhu.com) that syndicates Rense, and it does appear at the very least kind of weird. Some critics have tried to draw analogies between Michael Savage (whom is also syndicated through them) and their cultishniss. Personally, I see a much, much stronger connection between Rense's new ageism/anti- semitism and the parent company's cultishniss. Here is the research that I have gathered: http://www.soundbitten.com/archives/week_2003_05_18.html http://www.straybulletins.com/LMB/weblog/archive/000965.html http://www.watchman.org/cults/roymstrs.htm http://www.usatoday.com/usatonline/20030708/5303928s.htm The parent company (and Savage) are known for aggressive lawsuits, even if the offender is clearly within their free _expression_ rights and is diligent about "fair use". Many web pages have already been forced off of the net, so you'd better check these out soon before they disappear. Attached is one that was taken off but the web master was kind enough to email it to me. Scroll down the web page to "His Master's Voice". As I said, I think those that use the Savage/FHU are missing the much stronger and closer relationship between Rense/FHU. Please let me know what you think. I think someone ought to keep a count the number of anti-semitic articles and count the number of pro-semitic articles on Rense and publish the results. I can hear JR rebutting now- "OOOhhh, I'm not anti-semitic.", like he always does. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/2003 8:00:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see a much, much stronger connection between Rense's new ageism/anti- semitism and the parent company's cultishniss. Here is the research that I have gathered: Funny, Rense is no more an "anti-semite" than you are Dorothy and Savage is Jewish. Bill. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- New Age hasfooledmanyinto siding or even just accepting or going along withit's beliefs. It happened in Germany and it is happening now.Whether Horowitz or Savage are taken in or whether they are desperate for an outlet is somethingI can't answer. I knew Limbaugh was going to pull his punches when I learned who sponsored his program, Phil Donahue's company.Rense is more in line with New Age Masters in his outlook however, so he'll havea long media life. Chamish lets his material go thru Rense. Chamish attacks Israeli politicians, so Rense lets his material thru. Whatever. It's important to know the Rense and Masters are in fact linked just as the others on talkradionetwork are.Savage crossed the New Age line, so he was booted on NBC. Horowitz may do the same. New Agecomes in thru both the right and theleft, but once it's in, percentage wise, there is no deviation allowed. Just as inthe Nazi period,no deviation from New Age thinking is allowed. Analyzing what is happening is not a matter of knowing who is on the right or the left. Analyzing, exposing or fighting New Age ideas is more difficultthan most want to face. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Saturday, July 12, 2003 8:22 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/12/2003 8:00:18 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: see a much, much stronger connection between Rense's new ageism/anti- semitism and the parent company's cultishniss. Here is the research that I have gathered:Funny, Rense is no more an "anti-semite" than you are Dorothy and Savage is Jewish. Bill.www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Rense and Savage...a combo
-Caveat Lector- The New Age movement is not very well-defined. It is hard to imagine anyone marching lock- step with New Age philosophy. There are however, many cults, and many religions that require this kind of obedience. Steve On 12 Jul 2003 at 21:30, Zuukie wrote: New Age comes in thru both the right and the left, but once it's in, percentage wise, there is no deviation allowed. Just as in the Nazi period, no deviation from New Age thinking is allowed. -- ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
