-Caveat Lector- Thanks for your feedback on this. This was my reason for posting this response from Gene was to get some feedback from those on MC-list who understand this issue more than I do regarding the veracity of the information presented. It certainly was not my intent to get anyone upset nor to be "kicked off" the list. This NSA document seems like a very important one to attempt to authenticate. What do you mean by posting a flame to a list member? All I am trying to do is get to the truth of the matter here. Is anyone else on this list also interested in the same thing? Who is trying to control whose mind here? Interesting can of worms opened by conflicting viewpoints on NSA document veracity. This document posted by Wes Thomas on his website contains extremely extraordinary claims of covert government agency involvement in deeply controlling the minds of the American populace with technologies and methods not normally believable to exist. Since extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and that document is prepared to look like some kind of official NSA document even though it changes to first person accounts within it, I think it is more than reasonable to question the veracity of it and open this to discussion on any list. I do not know either Wes Thomas or Gene Johnson personally and have not been following the "politics" of their disagreements on Wes' "mind-control" list, so his unsubbing me from that list is off the wall and out of the blue to me. What is he hiding here? Perhaps Wes will understand he made a mistake and will reverse his arbitrary decision or perhaps someone else will understand and post this to mc list for members' feedback, and/or others will post this query for clarification to other appropriate lists or newsgroups. From: Remy C. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Jack Sarfatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Another great mind control article Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:29 PM Found on sightings.com but links directly to this site: http://www.sonic.net/~west/nsamindcontrol.htm -----Original Message----- From: gene johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 10:23 PM Subject: MC-L Post Hey David, Someone just sent me a note that Wes unsubbed you from MC-L for posting my e-mail to you. There is no rule against doing that. Further I have done detail responses to all of the Will Filer type of disinformation the Wes has posted. Wes has never responded to the MC list about the flaws that I have politely pointed out. Privately, Wes has written me saying that he didn't feel competent to respond to my critiques. Yet Wes has used the same alleged government defector ploy repeatedly, citing phone interviews, person in danger,etc. Several well-informed scientists who also understand the MC-L operation and believe it to be highly unethical, if not illegal, are in close contact with me. Since I am one of the several persons that have been libeled, I am being urged to pursue a suit. I and others honestly feel that Wes/Amara has not been in very good 'emotional' condition for some weeks. I wondered if you might have suspected that or whether you had some knowledge about that. I want the unethical operations to end, but I have some feeling for the difficulty of the transsexual pathway, and I wish Wes/Amara would take the appropriate actions voluntarily. I respect the *techweek* work of Amara, and I feel everyone has a lot of goodness potential. Wes could do a service to many of the suffering persons by telling the truth about what is really known and how delusional thinking is subtly reinforced. Goodness knows the US socio-cultural situation is bad enough without creating unnecessary suffering and anger among good, sensitive, and sometimes traumatized persons. Cheers, Gene From: Wes Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [MC] A response to NSA Tech:mind control article Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 8:11 PM "David Crockett Williams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has been removed from the list for posting flames attacking list members and for posting a message from a list member who has been banned from the list. Note also that Gene's message challenging Will Filer's theory failed to offer any facts or scientific arguments, relying instead on name-calling and undocumented assertions. In addition, the "pseudonym for Dick Farley" statement is absurd. I interviewed Will Filer personally by phone at his home on the West Coast; Farley lives on the East Coast. -----Original Message----- From: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: CIA-Drugs List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; CTRL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; InTheShadows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Mind Control List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 6:01 PM Subject: [MC] A response to NSA Tech:mind control article -----Original Message----- From: gene johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: David Crockett Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Saturday, August 21, 1999 5:37 PM Subject: Re: NSA Tech: mind control article David Crockett Williams wrote: <<Heavy survey use during times of war, economic strife and political elections. War against drugs. Used to identify investments that have high yield to support clandestine operations. Used to direct field agents...>> The following was sent to me by Will Filer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on July 27, 1999. It offers a new explanation for government mind control. Thank you for sending me this post. I responded to it when it first came out. "Will Filer" is a pseudonym for Dick Farley and several other contributors to disinformation in the UFO, alien presence, and mindcontrol domains. He was associated with the Brother Blue Lodge web site that was loaded with the most blatant propaganda I have seen, including the Cathy O'Brian 'sex robot' disinformation farce. Cloudrider is Brother Farley's Net handle. He has no background in the hard sciences, and has been jealously harassing me and other scientists since we have been posting in the MC domain. The trick to the type of propaganda in the NSA-info post is to mix a few facts, a few easy to believe items, and then to insert fear-evoking infeasible sci-fi type propositions. Most lay persons have an extremely difficult time discriminating the facts from the disinformation. Much of this type of activity is designed to put pressure on the government to not classify defense-related projects. I am for openness WORLDWIDE, but until that can be brought about it is in your and my interests as US citizens not to have any high-tech device technology fall into rogue and terrorist hands. Simultaneously, we must be hypervigilant toward an use of devices on our fellow US citizens. Part of hypervigilance is to be able to discriminate what are symptoms of brain system dysregulation that occur from stress, sleep loss, mid-life crises, drug abuse, etc. from what are symptoms of non-lethal weapons device use on humans. I am working 14 hour days seven days/week on that effort with regular harassment and attacks from persons that don't appear to be able to understand the importance of that type of information or have other agendas, some of which are unethical at best, and perhaps even criminal. I have discovered that some persons operating Net groups in the mindcontrol domain are encouraging persons that they know are suffering from mental illness to protest to the government as persons being subjected to non-lethal weapons device. Further, some of these Net operators actively dissuade these persons from seeking medical treatment that could likely reduce their suffering and chronic brain damage. I see that behavior as highly unethical. < Will has stated to me that he is a former consultant to the U.S. National Security Agency and asked me to post this information immediately. He also believes he is in immediate danger because of this information. > This type of disinformation is posted to MC-L about every 6 months. The previous one of this type that was similar was posted last New Years Eve . Actually, no consultant to the NSA would have system level information of this simulated type in the first place, David. Thomas and Rense hype this stuff regularly in a more subtle manner than a Limbaugh or a Liddy might do, for example. Hi tech disinformation draws on well written science fiction and often makes allusion to that genre. With the proliferation of Hollywood special effects ladened movies and futuristic TV sci-fi dramas about robots, cyborg, brain implants, even normally thoughtful persons are subject to disinformation operations. Also, there is a general tendency of scientific illiteracy in the US population that adds to the susceptibility. If there are any particular techniques mentioned in the Will Filer document that seem likely to be in functional operation to you or others you know, I would be more that pleased to present my view. There is so much disinformation on the Net now that I am getting much practice. It is not hard for paid professional and retired political operatives to overwhelm the Net groups with disinformation and propaganda. For an interesting example, suppose that you were to post that YOU, DCW are the reembodied Second Coming of the Christ ready to emerge as a millennium Global Savior. Challenge me to prove you are not. Would not that be an endless task!! You could say that you had implants from all of the Adepts and Masters of the Ages. You could speak of the enlightenment epiphanies of your youth and of you contacts with Masters from other lands. You could claim a secret Remote Viewing implant that allows for multiplex global envisioning. Since you have some visionary skills already, a few wise acts of knowledge would reinforce that power. On and on. Pat Robertson uses those techniques. 'How shall we know the true Messiah when He returns', is a frequently asked question without very good answers. It is similar for high tech intervention belief systems as well. That the government has done some clearly unethical and out-on-control projects in the past makes the possibility of current operations more believable. What a climate for propagandists! It would probably be more lucrative for me to leave the brain sciences and hire on as a propagandist for some operation, if I had no ethics or strong feelings about the destructiveness of what I see happening. These trends and the power of the Net for contagioning delusional thinking via suggestion and group pressure techniques, etc. suggests that *fear of mindcontrol* , much as the fear of an all seeing, jealous and punishing Old Testament Yahweh, is the likely control mechanism to be concerned about. Cost/benefit ratio analysis certainly would point in that direction. If the civilians that CLAIM MC victimization were actually being targeted, the costs would be in the billions of dollars. Not very likely. That kind of testing, if done at all on, is done on military volunteers or on enemies in foreign warfare. I am not in favor of THAT either. There are so many wonderful and beneficial research projects to be done in my area of expertise in the brain sciences. I have what I consider a superb brain treatment and restabilazition technique research project under development currently. I would sure like to have some peace oriented research and development money come my way....... Thinking through, Gene. -----Original Message----- Date: Friday, August 20, 1999 10:29 PM Subject: Another great mind control article >Found on sightings.com but links directly to this site: >http://www.sonic.net/~west/nsamindcontrol.htm > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! 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