[CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam
-Caveat Lector- Those going to this site will find an unsubstantiated warning about New York being a target in February. If you want to know what Jews are talking about, go to a Jewish site. Italian Il Giornale: Al Qaeda Threatens to Nuke New York on February 2 31 December http://www.debka.com/ Indications Saddam Was Not in Hiding But a Captive DEBKAfile Special Report December 14, 2003, 6:55 PM (GMT+02:00) A number of questions are raised by the incredibly bedraggled, tired and crushed condition of this once savage, dapper and pampered ruler who was discovered in a hole in the ground on Saturday, December 13: 1. The length and state of his hair indicated he had not seen a barber or even had a shampoo for several weeks. 2. The wild state of his beard indicated he had not shaved for the same period 3. The hole dug in the floor of a cellar in a farm compound near Tikrit was primitive indeed 6ft across and 8ft across with minimal sanitary arrangements - a far cry from his opulent palaces. 4. Saddam looked beaten and hungry. 5. Detained trying to escape were two unidentified men. Left with him were two AK-47 assault guns and a pistol, none of which were used. 6. The hole had only one opening. It was not only camouflaged with mud and bricks it was blocked. He could not have climbed out without someone on the outside removing the covering. 7. And most important, $750,000 in 100-dollar notes were found with him (a pittance for his captors who expected a $25m reward) but no communications equipment of any kind, whether cell phone or even a carrier pigeon for contacting the outside world. According to DEBKAfile analysts, these seven anomalies point to one conclusion: Saddam Hussein was not in hiding; he was a prisoner. After his last audiotaped message was delivered and aired over al Arabiya TV on Sunday November 16, on the occasion of Ramadan, Saddam was seized, possibly with the connivance of his own men, and held in that hole in Adwar for three weeks or more, which would have accounted for his appearance and condition. Meanwhile, his captors bargained for the $25 m prize the Americans promised for information leading to his capture alive or dead. The negotiations were mediated by Jalal Talabanis Kurdish PUK militia. These circumstances would explain the ex-rulers docility described by Lt.Gen. Ricardo Sanchez as resignation in the face of his capture by US forces. He must have regarded them as his rescuers and would have greeted them with relief. From Gen. Sanchezs evasive answers to questions on the $25m bounty, it may be inferred that the Americans and Kurds took advantage of the negotiations with Saddams abductors to move in close and capture him on their own account, for three reasons: A. His capture had become a matter of national pride for the Americans. No kudos would have been attached to his handover by a local gang of bounty-seekers or criminals. The country would have been swept anew with rumors that the big hero Saddam was again betrayed by the people he trusted, just as in the war. B. It was vital to catch his kidnappers unawares so as to make sure Saddam was taken alive. They might well have killed him and demanded the prize for his body. But they made sure he had no means of taking his own life and may have kept him sedated. C. During the weeks he is presumed to have been in captivity, guerrilla activity declined markedly especially in the Sunni Triangle towns of Falluja, Ramadi and Balad - while surging outside this flashpoint region in Mosul in the north and Najef, Nasseriya and Hilla in the south. It was important for the coalition to lay hands on him before the epicenter of the violence turned back towards Baghdad and the center of the Sunni Triangle. The next thing to watch now is not just where and when Saddam is brought to justice for countless crimes against his people and humanity - Sanchez said his interrogation will take as long as it takes but what happens to the insurgency. Will it escalate or gradually die down? An answer to this, according to DEBKAfiles counter-terror sources, was received in Washington nine days before Saddam reached US custody. It came in the form of a disturbing piece of intelligence that the notorious Lebanese terrorist and hostage-taker Imad Mughniyeh, who figures on the most wanted list of 22 men published by the FBI after 9/11, had arrived in southern Iraq and was organizing a new anti-US terror campaign to be launched in March-April 2004, marking the first year of the American invasion. For the past 21 years, Mughniyeh has waged a war of terror against Americans, whether on behalf of the Hizballah, the Iranian Shiite fundamentalists, al Qaeda or for himself. The Lebanese arch-terrorist represents for the anti-American forces in Iraq an ultimate weapon. Saddams capture will not turn this offensive aside; it may even bring it forward. For Israel, there are three lessons to be drawn from the dramatic
Re: [CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/2004 1:16:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to know what Jews are talking about, go to a Jewish site. Why? We get their agenda in the mainstream media daily. Can't avoid it. And Debka is a known Mossad propaganda op. Can't take too much of what they say seriously but I do believe that they are correct on the "capture" of Saddam. A story that needs more coverage in our mainstream media. Funny that the two propaganda outlets don't play together on this one. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam
Title: Message -Caveat Lector- Are you concerned that if individuals go directly to Jewish sources for information, your garbage posts will be shown up for what they are? From you we get New Age propaganda. By the way, twice when I tried to send this interesting list to CTRL, it was rejected. Compleat List Of Liberal Debating Rules:01Always bring up the Administrations relationship to the oil business, under all circumstances.02Call your opponent a zionist each and every time the media is mentioned in any way shape or form.03Claim your opponent is a slave to the Jews, and his country is ruled by the Jews.04Call your opponents nazis or fascists or quote any nazi you can find a quote from. Doesn't matter what it is, it may deflect the argument for a moment.05Call your opponent a zionist fascist or a fascist Jew. It might confuse him momentarily, letting you claim that you've won.06Post many copy-n-paste articles from the liberal press instead of actually replying.07Quote Robert Fisk articles and portray them as being the word of God.08Claim that America kills billions of babies every year instead of answering any questions.09Change the subject each and every time you post.10Always state that your opponent is ignorant and stupid.11Begin a sentence with "Obviously" when the sentence is very vague.12When all else fails, insist that your opponent is a liar. Use lots of exclamation points and all caps if possible.13Always claim that if chemical weapons are found in Iraq, the CIA put them there; if none are found then America is evil.14WMD's can include small arms munitions, any size bomb, and even knives when arguing with a conservative.15Repeat each point that you know is an outright lie at least fifty times. If your opponent stops responding thinking you're an idiot, you can claim victory.16Always claim that Al Gore *really* won the last election and that Bush isn't really the president.17State the wildest scientific claims with authority, and then demand that your opponent prove you are wrong.18State *any* position with authority and then demand that your opponent prove you wrong.19Insist that you're not a socialist, but a traditional old-time Democrat, at all times.20Mentioning one wounded child against years of Sadaam's brutality means you've proved America is evil.21Stamp your feet a lot.22Claim that Bush is the anti-Christ, and demand that he be impeached when confronted with any fact whatsoever.23Change any and all financial and budgetary figures to prove your claims. Insist that some think-tank derived the figures from years of hard research.24Always artfully re-arrange words when quoting conservatives, and then insist that's what they originally wrote.25If any opponent even hints at having any religious beliefs, immediately insist they are part of the far far religious right.26Get to know other on-line liberals and play tag-team-posting in an attempt to confuse your opponents.27Change your on-line identity often if conservatives start to killfile you.28Make up a politically correct ancestry for yourself, and then claim all white Americans are evil.29If your opponent makes a point that you can't refute, claim that he is a slave-holder.30You get brownie points for each time you call an opponent a bigot, sexist, homophobe or a redneck.31Never under any circumstances admit to a mistake or admit anything you said was ever wrong.32Always spell America with one or more KKKs. It proves that you're very hip and with-it.33Polls are *always* correct when they support your views and *always* biased right wing propaganda when they support your opponents views.34Insist that Bill Clinton was the greatest American president of all time, and the economy immediately collapsed the day Bush took office.35When talking about any type of genocide, always claim that the Republicans completely wiped out the native population of both north and south America.36Claim that all tax-cuts benefit the rich and hurt the poor. Or that any change in taxes by conservatives is always bad.37Quote Molly Ivins articles and portray them as being the word of God. -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of William ShannonSent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:29 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/2004 1:16:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you want to know what Jews aretalking about, go to a Jewish site.Why?We get their agenda in the mainstream media daily. Can't avoid it.And Debka is a known Mossad propaganda op. Can't take too much of what they say seriously but I do believe that they are correct on the "capture" of Saddam. A story that needs more coverage in our mainstream media. Funny that the two propaganda outlets don't play together on this one.www.ctrl.org DEC
Re: [CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/1/2004 1:42:37 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Are you concerned that if individuals go directly to Jewish sources for information, your garbage posts will be shown up for what they are? From you we get New Age propaganda. The point Dorothy is that the mainstream media IS a "Jewish" source and that cannot be denied. Debka is a propaganda op of the Mossad. Take what they say with a grain of (kosher) salt. As for your infatuation with the "new age" I can again only say that I have no interest in crystals or chakras and other than that I have no idea what the "new agers" are up to and I couldn't care less. Isn't the Kabbalah one of the popular topics amongst new agers these days? Isn't that a Jewish thing? And what's the Chassidut? Maybe you could explain? Compleat List Of Liberal Debating Rules: Glad it's "compleat" since we wouldn't want to miss anything. "Compleat?" Not everyone who thinks that we should disengage from Israel is a "liberal" Zuukie. You know that. Otherwise, your list is laughable. But what's new when it comes from Zuukie?? More nonsense from the epitome of the hate-America/Israel First movement. You love sacrificing American lives for the betterment of Eretz Israel, right? www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] DEBKA file on Saddam
-Caveat Lector- 16Always claim that Al Gore *really* won the last election and that Bush isn't really the president. Wait a sec... did Al Gore NOT receive over half a million more votes than his opponent? Were tens of thousands of people NOT erroneously thrown off the voter rolls in Florida due to a flimsy scrub list bought for $4 million by Jeb's administration? Did the findings of a nonpartisan consortium NOT confirm over a year after the election that had ALL the votes in Florida been counted Gore would have won? I mean, sheesh, by any measure of a democratic election, Gore DID win the last election. Bush may be the president, but he's certainly not holding the office by any democratic means. Let's keep things in perspective here, shall we? --eh www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
