Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-21 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Jul 01, at 17:31, John Sanders wrote: SO2 gas emissions also increased from 253 tons/day to 550 tons/day./B Steve please note the increase of SO2 gas emmission. Note it more than doubles in actual TONAGE released on a daily basis John, Compare this to 15

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-21 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- Correction: I understated the addition of CO2 to the atmosphere caused by humans; it is 21 million tones/day, and the net increase in CO2 in the atmosphere is 9 million tons/day. Steve On 21 Jul 01, at 3:48, Steve Wingate wrote: - SNETNEWS Mailing List On 20 Jul 01, at

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-20 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- On 20 Jul 01, at 13:20, John Sanders wrote: Well it has not been to long ago that the once mighty mountain of St helens Erupted. It has since been concluded, by some, that it put more greenhouse gases than all of the vehicles and smoke stacks through human history

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-17 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- Follow the money: corporate funded Foundations provide grants to environmental groups / environmental researchers to political minions. Add into the mix the unquestioning breathless global warming reporting by the corporate media and you have an ongoing formulated plan. So

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-17 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AMEN AMEN!!! Sure feels like 'global warming' here in DC. 59 degrees at night, days in the 70s, no humidity. TOTALLY UNLIKE the typical DC July. Just to clarify matters, my post

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-17 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- H.L. Mencken A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER ==

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-17 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary. -- H.L. Mencken This Mencken quote should be chiseled on the Washington monument or

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-16 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- So it is illogical to assume that the climate cycles will continue as before with this most unnatural and unprecedented disturbance of Planet Earth. Steve You demonstrate little awareness of the geo forces continually at work on the planet. One major volcano eruption

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-16 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- And you can add to these a considerable list of important things such as: variables in the earth's orbital path and distance from the sun, and volcanic activity. And don't forget the Milankovitch cycles. But at least we can agree the earth is getting warmer for some reason.

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-16 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- Nakano comments: Yes...earth tilt, magnetic shifts, solar eruptions. And you can add to these a considerable list of important things such as: variables in the earth's orbital path and distance from the sun, and volcanic activity. Until very recently, man's presence on

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-16 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- And don't forget the Milankovitch cycles. But at least we can agree the earth is getting warmer for some reason. See? We CAN all get along. Nessie I am not sure about that. It is possible but the data is conflicting. I recall all the proof only 20 years ago that the earth was

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-16 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AMEN AMEN!!! Sure feels like 'global warming' here in DC. 59 degrees at night, days in the 70s, no humidity. TOTALLY UNLIKE the typical DC July. Just to clarify matters, my post neither supports or seeks to negate arguments pro

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Steve wrote: Now the liberals would have us believe that these predictions were wrong, and that the earth is getting hotter. But they don't have any real proof of this warming tread. The limited data base of ocean temps taken by satillite don't show a

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Nurev Ind.
-Caveat Lector- YnrChyldzWyld wrote: -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Steve wrote: Now the liberals would have us believe that these predictions were wrong, and that the earth is getting hotter. But they don't have any real proof of this warming tread. The limited data base of

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look behind the smoke and mirrors to the men behind the curtain... Nakano comments: June...you have gone to the very heart of this matter, and you have said it perfectly with one

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Nessie
-Caveat Lector- What happened to all the 'proof' of global COOLING that we were presented with in the prior 2 decades? Science advances. Flat earth and leeches were once the height of science, too. We learn from our mistakes. Well, some of us do, anyway. A

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Theodor Parada, MD
-Caveat Lector- The glaciers have been melting since the last ice age, So what is new? Nothing!!! Anything, that we do is not going to change it. On 15 Jul 2001, at 12:53, Nurev Ind. wrote: THIS IS ALL IRRELEVANT NONSENSE. The earth's glaciers and ice caps are MELTING MELTING MELTING. GET

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- Nurev Ind. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: THIS IS ALL IRRELEVANT NONSENSE. The earth's glaciers and ice caps are MELTING MELTING MELTING. GET IT? This does NOT require measurements or interpretations of measurements. This is a physical, view able, experiential FACT.

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread flw
-Caveat Lector- THIS IS ALL IRRELEVANT NONSENSE. The earth's glaciers and ice caps are MELTING MELTING MELTING. GET IT? This is NOT because the earth is cooling, or even staying the same. This does NOT require measurements or interpretations of measurements. This is NOT dependent on Liberal

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread lassey
-Caveat Lector- AMEN AMEN!!! Sure feels like 'global warming' here in DC. 59 degrees at night, days in the 70s, no humidity. TOTALLY UNLIKE the typical DC July. On Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:52:39 -0400 YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 14 Jul 2001, Steve wrote:

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- flw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Earth tilt, magnetic shifts, solar eruptions, undersea heat venting all have primary roles in earth climate shifts. The earth has shifted back and forth from glacial ball to steaming tropics on a regular basis.The piddling effect of man

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-15 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- HAARP and other sources of weather modification are no doubt going on and contributing to the instability of the planets ecosystem. But the same can be said for the unprecedented release of greenhouse gases coinciding with the industrial revolution and the greatly increased use

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-14 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- On 13 Jul 01, at 18:19, Bill Howard wrote: Now the liberals would have us believe that these predictions were wrong, and that the earth is getting hotter. But they don't have any real proof of this warming tread. The limited data base of ocean temps taken by satillite don't

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-13 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- On 12 Jul 01, at 18:49, Nakano Nakamura wrote: The earth's climate is being intentionally modified. Some of our weather is being controlled. This may be true but does not explain overall global warming. If you do not believe that greenhouse gasses contribute to global

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-13 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- On 12 Jul 01, at 18:49, Nakano Nakamura wrote: It's just not the same human actions you are being told about in the alleged news media. The cause is NOT any of the following: freon propellant from hairspray cans freon from refrigerators or air conditioners Freon causes

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientis ts

2001-07-13 Thread Dale Stonehouse
-Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 1:34 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists Freon causes depletion of the ozone layer, not global warming. Do your

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-13 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- From: Steve It's just not the same human actions you are being told about in the alleged news media. The cause is NOT any of the following: freon propellant from hairspray cans freon from refrigerators or air conditioners Freon causes depletion of the ozone layer, not

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-13 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- Does the incorrect prediction of *one activist* mean that all of the scientists are wrong? No. Of course not. This is the kind of flimsy evidence that the oil companies want you to believe, and apparently William Bacon has fallen for the ploy. Steve On 13 Jul 01, at 7:04,

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted

2001-07-13 Thread Bill Howard
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 7/13/01 3:13:11 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the kind of flimsy evidence that the oil companies want you to believe, and apparently William Bacon has fallen for the ploy. Steve On 13 Jul 01, at 7:04, William Bacon wrote: If present trends

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientis ts

2001-07-13 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Freon causes depletion of the ozone layer, not global warming. Do your research before making stupid pronouncements.

[CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-12 Thread Steve
-Caveat Lector- Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists The Independent - London http://news.independent.co.uk 7-12-1

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-12 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists TheIndependent - London 7-12-1 Global warming is happening now, caused by human actions __ Nakano comments: Yes

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-12 Thread Nakano Nakamura
-Caveat Lector- --- Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists The Independent - London Global warming is happening now, caused by human actions, and threatens the Earth with disaster

Re: [CTRL] Global Warming Much Worse Than Predicted, Say Scientists

2001-07-12 Thread M.A. Johnson
-Caveat Lector- If present trends continue, the world will be about four degrees colder for the global mean temperature in 1990, but eleven degrees colder by the year 2000...This is about twice what it would take to put us in an ice age. -- Kenneth E.F. Watt on air pollution and global cooling,