-Caveat Lector- Thanks for info Gavin. Yes, I know the Suppressed Inventions (Eisen) book you mention you were pleased with - in fact I have it. As you mention, the book includes alternative treatment for cancer. I can tell you a little story about that particular part of that book. We have recently had a very celebrated (front page) case here of Liam, a small boy of about four with cancer in his jaw area, who was part way through a heavy chemotherapy course (etc) via the hospital system. His parents read that book and told the doctors they wanted to take leave of the hospital programme (which was painful and distressing for the child, had not such a great likelihood of a healthy outcome, and worried them very much) for a while to try some alternative therapy for the cancer. The drs said, you can't, we won't let you. You can do that sort of thing here, because most medicine is government-controlled. But the parents insisted. They had found out that even if the best medically-described outcome happened for their son, that only meant he would survive another five years on average. The doctors went to the government's family-welfare system, who went to court and asked for custody of the child so they could force the rest of their treatment on him. The child would die in six months if not treated with the rest of the chemotherapy programme, the government/welfare/doctors said: it was his only hope. The court ruled against the parents and took custody away from them, giving it to the state. At this point the media started to write front page headlines about it. Suddenly the family home was empty and the whole family had disappeared, taking the child with them. They were on the run, and being hidden by other citizens. The police were searching for them big-time, the NZ equivalent of the Oklahoma Bombing enquiry it seemed, from the way the police went about it. This went on for months, the entire police house-to-house searching around known alternative medicine proponents and watching for them on motorways and so on (!!!) while citizens had meetings and wrote letters and held candlelight rallies and said, "Stop it, tell the police to go catching criminals, and leave this innocent family alone!" The publicity got so bad for the police and medical system that an injunction was granted preventing any more mention of it in the media. Silence, for a while. [Quite often it seems as though the NZ police and legal systems protect the interests and freedoms of multinational pharmaceutical companies instead of the interests and freedoms of the citizens who are paying their wages. ... Let me digress a moment. New Zealand is a South Seas paradise for the pharma multinationals - because a very short-sighted former Prime Minister called Geoffrey Palmer (lawyer, pleasant though boring chap, had one of those Magically Fortunate Career Paths you see sometimes) brought in an employer-backed accident insurance scheme in return for which we New Zealanders had to give up our rights to sue ANYONE, EVER, for ANYTHING medical, no matter how horrifyingly cruel or incompetent. "Operated on the wrong leg? Sorry sir, you can't sue." Carte blanche for the medical profession and their philosophical gurus the drug companies. So my country is now a delightful experimental cage for the multinationals, who know they can never be sued no matter what they try out here. (Guess who gets a lot of experimental drugs and procedures first! Lucky little New Zealand.)] Anyway. Back to the story. Meanwhile little Liam was getting alternative treatment for cancer, while his poor parents were in hiding near Rotorua and being hounded like major criminals. The people hiding them were risking legal processes. At the end of about six months the whole family emerged, Parents, Liam's big sister, Mum pregnant, little Liam. And Liam had no discernible tumour and was looking distinctly better. No guarantees of course, because he has suffered from the chemo treatments he did get, but it was clear even from telly news shots that he looked a whole lot better than he had looked earlier when the hospital system had him. And much happier. The medicos reckoned it must have been from the treatments he did get (though he had only had two out of six treatments, I seem to recall.) The parents had some sort of amnesty, went home, had their new baby, and the matter drifted out of public view. The cancer/pharma industry does Not Like That Story. But it all started out of the book you mention. Liam's father waved the book on television news one night and told us. And thanks again Gavin for the following information on your original topic, the genuineness or otherwise of NASA's moon probe, (I'm sure you won't mind me quoting it to the list) 1. Video on the moon story from Global Insights; number is 702-885-0700. 2. Ask Global Insights for a free catalogue because they have some very interesting books and videos for sale, incidentally, including "Suppressed Inventions & Other Discoveries" by Johnathan Eisen in which he documents successful cancer treatments and scientific cover-ups. 3. The book "NASA Mooned America" by Rene is available from his website. Order directly from him, go to >http://www.primeline-america.com/moon-ldg/ Lyn >In a message dated 99-08-28 06:48:25 EDT, you write: > ><< Gavin > Interesting. Makes sense, in terms of the speed with which they did it - > only a few short years after Russian sputnik made them look silly. > Technically possible. Needn't even have told anyone outside NASA. > This note is to ask, where does one buy the video? And who wrote the book > NASA Mooned America? > Lyn >> > DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. 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