Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. You don't seem to understand much about human nature. Slavery was not just an economic issue. It was a way of life and cheap self esteem. It was the dark pleasure of having absolute power over others. Slavery had deeply corrupted the South. To think that the results of slavery were typically benign or even neutral is fantasy. It is also naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up their corrupt power. Don't just focus on the shallow economics oriented histories, consider and read about the social/psychological realities. Jerry So I don't know much about human nature? But you, I suppose are an expert. Have you ever lived in the south? Have you ever really gotten to know someone who had been a member of the Klu Klux Klan? Do you have a friend who is black and lived in the south and is married to the daughter of an Alabama farmer? You have NO comprehension of what you are talking about when you start prattling about how "corrupted" the south might have been or is now. You are the one who is living in a fantasy world. Is it naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up the "corrupt" powers? Is so, why had Lee and others freed freed their slaves? Yes, there were economic reasons to believe slavery would end. But there were other forces that would have ended it as well. You are the one who is fantasizing in order to justify in your own mind the federal government's war on the south and its imposition of powers it was never granted by the Constitution. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- "Howard R. Davis III" wrote: -Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:05:56 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. Constitutionally, they should of been allowed to secede, but I think what might have happened here, is Lincoln may have thought it was a minor rebellion led by a few. Not until he got forces out, did he realize how dedicated each southron was and is dedicated to the cause. The North and the South had and still has a different culture, economic structure, and I believe due to these reasons ...misunderstanding occurred. It is interesting to note, the people selling the slaves were black men themselves, and the one slave owner who had the most slaves was a Haitian that lived in Louisiana. One must also remember there were white slaves. But getting back to slavery issue, and beatings,...when you buy a mercedes...or something expensive like that do you intentionally go out to harm it..crash it, scratch it. Heck, no you paid good money for it, and you will try to do your best so nothing happens to it...well slaves were expensiveand expensive to maintain(slavery would have faded out on its own) It was the over-seers that were the culprits, people who learned how to abuse their power. But if the were caught...many times it was there behind. Slavery as we see it, in the situation that we are in is evil, we were raised that way, but let me throw out this one question on this, how can we today dare judge a society of yesterday...without understanding the culture, and the mores of that society. You don't seem to understand much about human nature. Slavery was not just an economic issue. It was a way of life and cheap self esteem. Many black folk were like family and treated as of such. It was the dark pleasure of having absolute power over others. Slavery had deeply corrupted the South. Only 5% were slave owners, the war was over preservation of cultures on both sides. To think that the results of slavery were typically benign or even neutral is fantasy. Huh ? It is also naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up their corrupt power. Economics is what one looks at, it was becoming uneconomical to have slaves, and was going out. Those that owned the slaves would have made this transition from slavery to freeman a lot more smoother, many slaves were thrown out in the streets, did not have a place to go, the mighty liberals of their day did not have a plan...the owners would have. Don't just focus on the shallow economics oriented histories, consider and read about the social/psychological realities. Bunk Jerry You have NO comprehension of what you are talking about when you start prattling about how "corrupted" the south so, why had Lee and others freed freed their slaves? Yes, there were economic reasons to believe slavery would end. But there were other forces that would have ended it as well. Carlene M. Wojahn DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 6:24:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was trying to show that overall there has been a growth in population so that the losses have been greatly overwhelmed by the increases. Hey, kill a few, grow more. It all evens out. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men
-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: You don't seem to understand much about human nature. Slavery was not just an economic issue. It was a way of life and cheap self esteem. It was the dark pleasure of having absolute power over others. Slavery had deeply corrupted the South. To think that the results of slavery were typically benign or even neutral is fantasy. It is also naive to think that the slave masters would ever have voluntarily given up their corrupt power. Don't just focus on the shallow economics oriented histories, consider and read about the social/psychological realities. As one who has devoted the major portion of his life studying "human nature" and "morals" and "political/social" philosophies.. I have to say this... The above falls properly into the realm of "psycho-babble." Those who fall for it could blame it on the mis-education system, but if they've been out of school for more than two or three years, they should have learned better. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- At 01:34 PM 1/5/99 -0800, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb glad to see you back on your medication barb. the putrifaction of your acidic parambulations are almost legible. give my best to the m.h. workers at the home and a hearty "well done". grinnin' chris Must we repeat Lesson VI - Projections/Transferance??? :-) Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? Thanks for your times and considerations. how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. for those of you restless spirits who would disagree; this is not a poll of your opinion of my opinion, so keep yours to yourselves, as this is only in response to the question. thank you chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless victi
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. for those of you restless spirits who would disagree; this is not a poll of your opinion of my opinion, so keep yours to yourselves, as this is only in response to the question. Thank you, but I choose to express my opinion, regardless of your approval or disapproval. To your list that includes "capitalism," you might also add, "communism, socialism, facism, witchcraft, imperialism, sickness, disease, famine, and pestilence." Compared to any of those, "capitalism" pales in significance. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Thank you, but I choose to express my opinion, regardless of your approval or disapproval. To your list that includes "capitalism," you might also add, "communism, socialism, facism, witchcraft, imperialism, sickness, disease, famine, and pestilence." Compared to any of those, "capitalism" pales in significance. Hawk don't forget the wild animal attacks, so prevalent in the old testiment. you know what they say about opinions. there must be something to write to this group? smilin' DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless vi
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: E Mael wrote: how about the buying (ultimately) of this whole country for a few beads and trinkets. spare me the stupid indian posts. juda's betrayal of jesus is up there in religious terms but i think that j. would agree that his one life is not as valuable as millions of lives lost to capitalism, greed and self-interest. the gop is right up there. My understanding is that during the period before colonization native-americans numbered less then five million in the are we now call the United States. Since that time, the population of this same area has expanded to over 270 million. This expansion was all under a form of capitalism. If so many millions lost their lives because of capitalism and the previous system was preferable in terms of preserving the lives of the inhabitants then it would seem to me that these figures should be reversed. What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? best wishes, Howard Davis a reasonable and thoughtful response. i cannot disagree with you, except to include that it needs to take into account the methods used. it was the lack of ethic on the white man's part that i part with. but then, how could it have ever been anything other than what it was, given the same factors. the crimes still live though, and until we address them; we will, as a nation, continue to stack crime on top of crime until we criminalize ourselves and are forced to. maybe we need to have an armeggeddon. i am beginning to think that social justice is a popular delusion. no rhyme or reason, just force. best, chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we can get. -Original Message- From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, January 04, 1999 11:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims -Caveat Lector- ArijJan Verboon wrote: I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? It seems to me that the greatest con of all times has got to be the fractional reserve system of banking and its evil off-springs: central banking and the IMF. This has caused and continues to cause more hard ship then any other con that I can think of. Through this scheme vast amounts of money have been transferred and continue to be transferred from producers to parasites. Some might argue that an even greater scam is the social security system, but most do not have a great enough understanding of its ramifications to realize the enormity of its harm. As for the most despicable business transaction, it is hard to find anything to compare with government actions as to their ultimate negative effect. However, there are certainly many transactions which have had negative effects throughout history. Many believe that the stock market was purposely crashed in 1929. If this was so, that may be considered the most dispicable transaction. But even there it would have had to be a series of transactions. It is hard to really cause a lot of problems with one transaction, even between major corporations. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men and helpless victims
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 5:45:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with the statement of the greatest con being the fractional reserve system of banking! And if any of you good people want to help out please go to http://www.norfed.org/. An excellent site and we need all the help we can get. Well, I'd have to go with the great 'con' - education. Then the media, then the fed and associated 'private centrals' and their spawn. MHO Om K DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/5/99 12:50:31 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is your explanation for the seeming ability of a capitalist society to sustain so many more people on the same land mass? Have all the other people of the earth agreed upon a goal without telling me? Is there really some game whose winner is determined by what country sustains the most people per square mile of land? Is Bangladesh the winner? Jerry DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Read this post. It is about senseless and cruel men andhelpless vic
-Caveat Lector- At 03:15 PM 1/5/99 -0500, Howard Davis wrote: -Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: it takes a white man to make a wasteland Well, I don't think that is completely accurate, even if perhaps it is true that "white men" are the masters of this ability and could, in fact, turn the whole earth into a waste land. However, I believe that men of other ethnicity have been able to do this (although to a limited extent). For instance, Lebenon was once known for its forests. I understand that has greatly changed. Many other areas of the earth have also been depleted. I believe this was the case in many parts of the "New World" even before the arrival of the "white man". So, I would not wish to appear racist by saying "white men" are the only ones who have been able to demonstrate this ability. best wishes, Howard Davis Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Barb glad to see you back on your medication barb. the putrifaction of your acidic parambulations are almost legible. give my best to the m.h. workers at the home and a hearty "well done". grinnin' chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Barb Witt wrote: Your post is exceedingly and unnecessarily cruel to those persons whose feelings of moral superiority necessitate their bearing a burden of guilt and forever paying penance for the actions of distant ancestors (real or imagined). It is unwise, as well as nonproductive, to interject factual information into a religious conversation. Sorry, I'll be more careful next time. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Gerald Harp wrote: -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 1/4/99 11:26:55 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. Is there anything so jaw dropping inexplicable than the few who attempt to make the South out as a victim of the North over the Civil War? There are "shrines" to Jefferson Davis and Stonewall Jackson. Take a tour of the South and your ear will be bent by a guide babbling about how cruel the Yankees were at Vicksburg. Listening to them, one would never guess that the South was run by a gang of slavers who do not at all correspond to those portrayed in Gone With the Wind as kindly masters taking loving care of some child like people. Of course, things are complicated and there were many decent Christian Southerners who smuggled slaves, spied on Southern military units, and sabotaged when possible. There were right-wing Northerners who spoke and acted for the South. There were slave holding prosperous free blacks in the South. There were a few slave holders who did treat their slaves with some shred of fairness considering the relationship. The real point is that every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner. I was born and raised in Michigan. Most of my ancestors were in Europe at the time, though I believe one was an doctor in the Union army. However, I have lived in Atlanta since I was 15 so it may be charged that I am not neutral on this. (Interestingly, many of my friends who are the descendents of slave owners and Confederate soldiers probably believe as you). After many years of study (especially through input from a black friend of mine and observation of southerners of both races over the past thirty plus years) I have come to the conclusion that the nation and the south and even the black population of the south would probably have been better off if Lincoln had not forced the south through military means back into the union. (And, I believe that slavery probably would have ended within 20 years and subsequent relations between the races would have been much better). I believe now that the "Civil War" was mainly caused by the tariff question and only exasperated by the slave issue. (Lincoln in his first inaugural address invites the south back into the union with slavery, but paying tariffs). These tariffs were designed to benefit the northern manufacturers and helped to create the "robber barrons". The post "Civil War" result was great hardship on both the white and black races in the south. To say that the "every son of the South who involves himself in discussions about the Civil War should get down on his knees and thank God that the Union won the war thereby freeing both slave and "free" Southerner" shows a complete lack of knowledge about the war and its effects. best wishes, Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- -Caveat Lector- Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? Thanks for your times and considerations. ArijJan DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- ArijJan Verboon wrote: -Caveat Lector- Ladies and gentleman I am wtriting a thesis paper on Milton and need an illustration. What is in your opinion the most despicable business transaction that ever took place In my opinion, the most despicable business transaction was the betrayal of Jesus, by Judas, for thirty pieces of silver. and what is in your opinion the most despicable con that ever took place? The most despicable con was that perpertrated by Abraham Lincoln and his cadre'. Consider this: In the Gettysburg Address, "Honest" Abe made the absurd claim that the Union soldiers who died in the Battle of Gettysburg gave their lives to protect the concept of a nation "of the people, by the people, and for the people." In reality, it was the Southern soldiers who were fighting for the principle of self-government. "You can fool ALL of the people SOME of the time... and SOME of the people ALL of the time..." and in this case, that's proven sufficient to pull off the master con. Hawk DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
