Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]

1999-01-06 Thread PRUDYL

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In a message dated 1/5/99 5:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 Well, Sir, you sure did identify yourself properly Each of the proposals
is increased "people control" by a central government.  You'd have loved
Russia under Stalin. 

Well, I guess even Joe had a few good ideas.  I think it was his tendency to
send everybody to Siberia or keep them under constant surveillance that were
his worst
sticking points.   Prudy

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Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES

1999-01-06 Thread nurev

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Hawk wrote:

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 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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  What's wrong with adopting a national energy policy?
 
  I think it's a sane thing to do, especially since the end of the world's oil
  supply is looming on the millennial horizon.

 What a crock!  The world is awash with oil!  Seems like some folks once said the
 same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply.  Central controls
 isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the answer, just
 as it was then.

 Hawk

Freedom! I knew it all along. The only freedom you are interested in
is
the freedom to make money any way you can.

You are a truly despicable character. Luckily you can be easily dealt
with.
I am working (with others on a different list) on a plan to establish
a cap
on wealth accumulation by individuals. The intent is to keep guys like
you
spinning your wheels without actually becoming dangerous through the
accumulation of vast wealth.

The one thing that all the manipulators of all modern societies have
in common
is owning, or working for someone who owns vast wealth. They stand in
the way
of human progress, health, and happiness. They have been the causes of
war and
poverty, and slavery all the way back to the dawn of agriculture.

The rich elites are greedy, incompetent, and generally stupid when it
comes to
social management. They can't manage anything well for long without
the threat
of force. Their economic system is collapsing all around them and new
organic
systems will grow in their place. Capitalism will be strictly
controlled almost
everywhere. Free trade is being dismantled as we speak. All this
because of
guys like you. You were born in the wrong era.

Just thought you would like to know.

Have a nice day.

Joshua2

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Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES

1999-01-06 Thread Howard R. Davis III

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 In a message dated 1/5/99 9:17:41 PM Eastern Standard Time,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 
  What a crock!  The world is awash with oil!  Seems like some folks once said
 the
  same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply.  Central
 controls
  isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the answer,
 just
  as it was then. 

 You're right.  But if we actually had a sane energy policy, it could move us
 away from oil into solar.  Not that it's likely to do so, since freedom to get
 rich (now that's a goal) is the way it's been for quite some time, and they
 haven't figured out how to regulate old Sol just yet.  Prudy


   If someone could figure out a way to get a bit more energy out of a
solar cell or a better method of storing energy then the batteries we
now use, they could make a fortune. And, any one who invested in them
would also. There is no need to regulate the sun for that purpose.

best wishes, Howard Davis

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Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES

1999-01-06 Thread Barb Witt

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At 10:56 AM 1/6/99 -0800, you wrote:
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Hawk wrote:

  -Caveat Lector-

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   -Caveat Lector-
 
  What's wrong with adopting a national energy policy?
 
  I think it's a sane thing to do, especially since the end of the
world's oil
  supply is looming on the millennial horizon.

 What a crock!  The world is awash with oil!  Seems like some folks once
said the
 same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply.  Central
controls
 isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the
answer, just
 as it was then.

 Hawk

Freedom! I knew it all along. The only freedom you are interested in
is
the freedom to make money any way you can.

You are a truly despicable character. Luckily you can be easily dealt
with.
I am working (with others on a different list) on a plan to establish
a cap
on wealth accumulation by individuals. The intent is to keep guys like
you
spinning your wheels without actually becoming dangerous through the
accumulation of vast wealth.

The one thing that all the manipulators of all modern societies have
in common
is owning, or working for someone who owns vast wealth. They stand in
the way
of human progress, health, and happiness. They have been the causes of
war and
poverty, and slavery all the way back to the dawn of agriculture.

The rich elites are greedy, incompetent, and generally stupid when it
comes to
social management. They can't manage anything well for long without
the threat
of force. Their economic system is collapsing all around them and new
organic
systems will grow in their place. Capitalism will be strictly
controlled almost
everywhere. Free trade is being dismantled as we speak. All this
because of
guys like you. You were born in the wrong era.

Just thought you would like to know.

Have a nice day.

Joshua2

And in your socialist/communist utopia there will be no elite?

Barb

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]

1999-01-05 Thread Robert Tatman

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Carl Amedio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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 THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
snip
 Here is a brief profile of its interests:

o   It wants the U.S. to nationalize health care, start a
nuclear freeze, adopt national energy policies and pass
more gun-control laws.

o   At its 1998 convention, the NEA passed resolutions
denouncing school vouchers and opposing home schooling --
and it has taken stands against testing of teachers.

o   It believes environmental education should encourage
"protection of the Earth's finite resources" and raise
awareness of overpopulation, "global warming, ozone
depletion and acid precipitation."

o   It claims that all people have a right to housing and
health insurance at taxpayers' expense, and would use
money saved from any reductions in the defense budget for
"alternative civilian uses, including education" -- rather
than for tax cuts.
snip

Sounds good to me... Honestly, I'd vote for any candidate who ran on these
points as a platform! If that makes me a Socialist or Communist or something,
so be it...but these points make a *hell* of a lot more sense than the crap
spewed forth by the Republicrats and Demipublicans. And if the NEA has the
funds to pay to elect people who will actually do something *for* the citizens
of this country instead of *to* us, then more power to them...

Bob

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Re: [CTRL] [[CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES]

1999-01-05 Thread Hawk

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Robert Tatman wrote:

   THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES
 snip
  Here is a brief profile of its interests:  snip

 Sounds good to me... Honestly, I'd vote for any candidate who ran on these
 points as a platform! If that makes me a Socialist or Communist or something,
 so be it...

Well, Sir, you sure did identify yourself properly Each of the proposals is 
increased "people control" by a central government.  You'd have loved Russia under 
Stalin.

 but these points make a *hell* of a lot more sense than the crap
 spewed forth by the Republicrats and Demipublicans.

Actually, its the same "crap."

 And if the NEA has the funds to pay to elect people who will actually do something 
*for* the citizens of this country instead of *to* us, then more power to them...

They cannot do something FOR "us" without first doing something TO "us."  Just keep 
that in mind when you're begging them to do it "to others" in favor of your crowd.. 
There's always a different crowd begging them to do something
"to you" for their benefit  Its really pretty simple.  It boils down to "There 
ain't no free lunch."  Somebody has to pay for all the "goodies" other people get.

Whenever ANYONE gets "something for nothing," someone else got "Nothing for something."

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES

1999-01-05 Thread Hawk

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 What's wrong with adopting a national energy policy?

 I think it's a sane thing to do, especially since the end of the world's oil
 supply is looming on the millennial horizon.

What a crock!  The world is awash with oil!  Seems like some folks once said the
same thing about the demise of the world's whale-oil supply.  Central controls
isn't the answer... FREEDOM to get rich by taking big chances is the answer, just
as it was then.

Hawk

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Re: [CTRL] THE NEA'S GRAB-BAG OF ISSUES

1999-01-05 Thread Gerald Harp

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In a message dated 1/5/99 4:19:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 o   It wants the U.S. to nationalize health care, start a
 nuclear freeze, adopt national energy policies and pass
 more gun-control laws.

Run in circles, scream and shout.

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