Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- Hi all, With determining who the 'Seed of David' is and with talk on "the young king is dead" -JFK etc I'd like to add that the Kennedys were Irish royal blood. Also I read that one of the Irish PMs - O'Neill was heir to the Irish throne. The other thing of interest was in the book Dope Incorporated and it said the British PM had to be descended from Robert the Bruce. I also read in the paper that a lot of the British cabinet came from one small area of Scotland. I would recommend the book The Black Sun - Montauk's Nazi -Tibetan connection by Peter Moon just to see just how deeply engrained this Aryan control, especially the Scottish connection with the Nazis is. Personally I think its the Aryans v the Seed of David - people choosing one or the other to support in their political affiliation. Like Aryan/Celtic/CIA v the royal/Freemasons. Anyone got any more light on this please? Thanks. This could maybe get simplified except for the alien control. So far I've heard Pleiadian-Aryan and Freemason - Sirius but this is only from books. Nicky DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
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Bill Kingsbury wrote...
The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery.
You are parroting the same-old "forgery" line.
"Forgery" is typically defined as :
"A counterfeit copy of the genuine article,
That is virtually identical to the original."
Are you suggesting that the "real" Protocols do exist, and
that they are virtually identical to the known "Protocols" ?
Or does the "forgery" charge refer to the substitution of
"Elders of (Z)ion" -- for ("masonic") "Elders of (S)ion" ?
Hi Bill,
I need a bit of time to write back, and may have preached this before so
here it goes again - BUT the answer to your question I think, is that it is
The Masonic /but could be Catholic/ Elders of Sion. Hard to find anyone else
to fit the bill. Dosen't matter if it is Jew, Catholic, Freemason, atheist,
what country they come from or so called 'race' who are following the
agenda. All that matters is that they are the Seed of King David. The entire
book is about the Seed of David and their plan to have a King of the World
directly from him to await the Messiah. Ridding the world of everything
else.
They do follow the 'European royalty is from King David'. Also the Scots and
Irish would have the most concentrated due to King Zedekiah's daughter/s
moving to Ireland around 580BC - (with inbreeding).Supposedly marrying the
Irish King who was already from Judah's son. Forgotten the name now but the
first twin who got the red ribbon tied around his hand.
Also the Stewart/Templar dynasty coming from France. All they care about is
the blood. And don't forget that Solomon had 1,000 wives so that covers the
Freemasons in the Middle East. Some Jews are at the top like Henry Kissinger
and Lord Rothschild who is in charge of the Grand Lodge Freemasons and who
is paying for the rebuilding of Solomon's temple.
The so called Aryan Nazis have other ideas, but we know about a lot of
those. They like the gaia thing and would like to get rid of patriarchy.
Completely different.
I finally clicked on what was behind the 'plan' by accident back in 93. I
bought the Protocols of Zion in about 1981 in London UK and I keep seeing
'Seed of David' taking over the world and always wondered if it was the Jews
or not because I couldn't see any evidence.
In 93 back in Auckland I was in an adult education institute and a man, a
stranger, came in. I knew something was badly wrong somewhere as he filled
the place with evil. I found out later that he had threatened my friend who
is an anti NWO activist. She had been speaking on the phone with someone
else who also had their phone tapped and 3 weeks later he turned up. He
worked for the local council. He said to her 'Why are you letting this man
influence you?'
Anyway he gave the game away with his thoughts. He came and sat down on the
sofa after and tried to look innocent.There were only the 3 of us in the
building too. Then he said to me 'What do you do here?' I said I taught
astrology and he said - 'I know my time of birth' I did him a horoscope and
said you may be good at geneology. Then he said 'Yes I've traced myself to
King David'. So I thought that's funny - the descendants of King David may
be tapping the phones, why would they be doing that? After giving it a great
deal of thought I read The Protocols of Zion again and it was clear.
Of course, Queen Elizabeth supposedly sitting on the Throne of David
according to the British Israel Soc and others - well Freemasons anyway and
Worldwide Church of God and other religious groups.. ( I don't believe this
is accurate but they do) Lord Rothschild is the Queen's advisor. The
Illuminati - George Bush, related to the Queen. Clinton from French royalty.
How many of these at the top from royalty? The pope is supposed to be
Jewish. Alexander Haig - Scottish name. Ronald Regan (Irish name) - Knights
of Malta. The Grand Masters of Knights of Malta and Order of St John have to
have their Grand Masters from the Stewart dynasty, Bilderbergers mostly
Royalty - These are your Seed of David.
Hard to pick out but I found confirmation everywhere of this. There is a
site on the net from UK which can determine if one has royal blood. Plus the
Mormon geneology records would soon show it. If the Protocals of Zion are a
forgery, then they must be a prophecy!
Prob originally from Satan and for those Babylonian reptoid royalty
believers - who knows maybe we can substitute Seed of
Satan/Serpent/reptoid/fallen angel. Some people may put Annuki (who see
Annuki as the cause of everything.).
I'd be inclined to think it was a combination of King David AND something
very dark - as personally I can't see a human thinking that up. Maybe it was
channelled in Rennes le Chateau with some occult ceremony and maybe Satan
told these people they had special rights coming from King David I mean the
French Jews that became Catholic and ended up in Rennes le Chateau. I'm not
an expert, just looking for connections.
Yes I'd say whoever channelled it, if
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Nicky Molloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO. The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery. Are the other publications you mentioned all bogus too? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
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7-13-1999, Ric wrote:
study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the
Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are
talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by
Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO.
The PROTOCOLS are a well-known forgery.
You are parroting the same-old "forgery" line.
"Forgery" is typically defined as :
"A counterfeit copy of the genuine article,
that is virtually identical to the original."
Are you suggesting that the "real" Protocols do exist, and
that they are virtually identical to the known "Protocols" ?
Or does the "forgery" charge refer to the substitution of
"Elders of (Z)ion" -- for ("masonic") "Elders of (S)ion" ?
Question:
Why don't "Jewish" anti-Defamation police, and the people
who parrot them, say what they "really" mean -- rather
than endlessly "allowing" that "the Jews" -may- be engaging
in the cover-up of the "real" (non-forged) Protocols ?
Is maintaining a level of Gentile suspicion of Jews
standard procedure for certain "Jewish" Power Brokers --
who themselves directly benefit from "anti-Semitism" and
subsequent Jewish separatism, fund raising, and votes ?
Do many, or most, Jews fear being accepted as "equals" and
"assimilated" as non-separatists -- or, is this just a fear
of some "Jewish" Power Brokers, and those who parrot them,
who covet their current status and power of intimidation ?
Would reducing or eliminating mistrust of Jews in western
democracies result in a "fatal" loss of Israeli population
as Israeli Jews fled, en mass, the oppressive military
apartheid (racist fascism??) of Israel, to emigrate to the
security of "Gentile" democracies -- where any mistrust of
Jews had been reduced or eliminated, as postulated ?
Could apartheid Israel, or certain "Jewish" Power Brokers,
long survive a wholesale elimination of that old devil,
"anti-Semitism" in the west -- or in Israel ?
(The birthrate of the current Arab population will soon
inundate and politically absorb any non-apartheid Israel.)
Is this age-old state of affairs some Gentile conspiracy ?
If "nazis" and "anti-Semites" didn't exist, would certain
"Jewish" Power Brokers obtain benefit by inventing, and
even maintaining them ?
Is "anti-Semitism," sadly, necessary and inevitable ?
Is Jewish separatism -- maintained by the ancient fear of
"anti-Semitism" -- absolutely mandatory for the survival
of Jews and Israel, who would otherwise be assimilated into
a humanist "One World Democracy," like everyone else ?
Should Jews be held to the same standards as "Gentiles" ?
Should Israeli gun owners have their guns taken away by the
United Nations -- since all gun owners are "right wingers,"
potential killers, violent separatists, "militia" bigots,
and hate-filled "religious nuts" ?
Should Israel open its borders to allow free immigration,
exactly as most predominantly white (but not oriental)
countries are doing ?
When the western democracies are absorbed into the U.N.,
will the U.N. turn against Israel -- and demand surrender
of Jewish weapons and wide open Israeli borders -- or else
face a massive 24/7 murderous bombing into submission --
since there is no one left to object ?
Does this indicate the United Nations may be, ultimately,
the culmination of "anti-Semitism," and the end of the Jews'
story -- the "final solution"..?
Is the United Nations therefore, ultimately, a project
of the "Black Nobility" -- i.e., the Phoenician,
Venetian, Canaanite, Edomite, etc., enemies of Israel
from ancient times -- whose cultural transmission flows
"underground," in secret societies ?
Is this postulated conspiracy no mere "Gentile" conspiracy,
but rather a conspiracy that considers "Jews" to be just
another very deluded type of "Gentiles" -- thus pawns, and
incredibly useful idiots -- as perhaps openly hinted in
"the Protocols"..?
Do you know what the "Protocols" actually say in this light ?
:)
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Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- Hello Joshua This is not entertainment. I've heard all of it before in various forms. I suggest you put the time in to reading the Scarlet and the Beast exerpts by John Daniels that were on this list a few weeks ago. If this is all new to you, then may I suggest you dig a little deeper into the religious motivation of the controllers of this world. If you've not taken this into consideration then you have a lot of learning to do yet. You may also like to study the genetics of those same people. After that, you may care to study the book The Keys to this Blood by Malachi Martin. Then the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as described in the post you are talking about. You may also benefit by reading Dark Majesty by Texe Marrs about the royalty links in the perpetuators of the NWO . Once you have read these, then judge the article below again and look for the connections please. Nicky -Original Message- From: Nurev [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, 12 July 1999 4:37 Subject: Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] "Factions" or Hegelian Game? -Caveat Lector- This stuff is gibberish. If you take this stuff seriously, you need to develop judgement. If this is entertainment, say so. Joshua2 Nicky Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- By Michael Wagner Hi all! I know many of you are well aware of the info provided by Gunther Rayelan Russbacher (www.rumormillnews.com) concerning the apparent factions within the world power structure. For those of you unfamiliar with this, below is a brief synopsis followed by an analysis. G. Russbacher, "the October Surprise Pilot", Templar, Austrian Royal, godson of Kurt Waldheim-- his ex-wife Rayelan--assert the following based on bona fide sources in places of power: The world intelligence community is fragmented along three lines: * Those working for the goal of a monolithic, top-down "New World Order"; an end to personal national sovereignty, with central global institutions under elite control (Faction 1) * Those working for a return to Constitutional rule in the U.S., and a return to a form of "constitutional monarchy" throughout Europe: originally/mainly continental European royals and nobles, their leadership now hides within U.S. Naval Intelligence. (Faction 2) * Rogue agents who follow their own inner voice, and who now apparently have control of the funding of all black budget projects world wide--and are therefore able to force desired compromises between the other two factions. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector-
This stuff is gibberish. If you take this stuff seriously, you need
to develop judgement. If this is entertainment, say so.
Joshua2
Nicky Molloy wrote:
-Caveat Lector-
By Michael Wagner
Hi all!
I know many of you are well aware of the info provided by
Gunther Rayelan Russbacher (www.rumormillnews.com)
concerning the apparent factions within the world power structure.
For those of you unfamiliar with this, below is a brief synopsis
followed by an analysis.
G. Russbacher, "the October Surprise Pilot", Templar, Austrian
Royal, godson of Kurt Waldheim-- his ex-wife Rayelan--assert the
following based on bona fide sources in places of power:
The world intelligence community is fragmented along three lines:
* Those working for the goal of a monolithic, top-down
"New World Order"; an end to personal national sovereignty,
with central global institutions under elite control (Faction 1)
* Those working for a return to Constitutional rule in the U.S.,
and a return to a form of "constitutional monarchy" throughout
Europe: originally/mainly continental European royals and nobles,
their leadership now hides within U.S. Naval Intelligence.
(Faction 2)
* Rogue agents who follow their own inner voice, and who now
apparently have control of the funding of all black budget
projects world wide--and are therefore able to force desired
compromises between the other two factions.
While I do not doubt the Russbacher's sincerity, nor even necessarily
the "good intentions" of their sources, there is usually a much
deeper game to these intrigues tahn even many of the conspirators
see.
Given the usual divide and conquer antics of esoteric/conspiratorial
agitators, I would not be suprised if the following scenario
ended up being played out:
Everyone knows the theory of the "Zionist" conspiracy; many explain
NWO mainly in these terms. We know the tendency of Europe to slip
into totalitarian rule; they would certainly more vulnerable to it
if monarchy were to return, even under the banner of "constitutionalism"
(that held Fascism back for about a century
here--halve that, then halve it twice more for Europe).
It is therefore an illustrious possiblility that a neo-Fascist,
neo-Roman ("Aryan" alien backed?) federation of (10) kings, allied with a
re-interpreted "Christanity" might portray itself as the savior of mankind
from an evil Jew/Banker/Illuminati(/Reptilian?)attempt
at world domination: thesis + antithesis=synthesis.
It is at least equally likely that the same power (not even
necessarily human) sits behind both "factions", and that "Faction
1" may "out" itself as "the Beast" via a promulgated apocalyptic
scenario--complete with an Antichrist (Maitreya?), demons (posing
as aliens, posing as demons), and an "Armageddon" crisis in the
mideast.
"Faction 2", continental royalty, probably menaing those claiming
descent from Jesus the House of David, could "solve" the
mideast problem by claiming Jerusalem, destroy that Masonic/Illuminist
stronghold, the U.S. (while portraying itself as the savior of the
PEOPLE?), and the regional holdouts of "Zionist"-promoted
toatlitarianism, Russia China (see Daniel 12).
After all the Protocols of Sion (not a "Jew" conspiracy, but a
bunch of Christian super-Catholic hermeticists of supposed
Jewish descent--please, level no charges of anti-Semitism),
in protocol 3, state that the final phase of the operation
before the coming global king is to engender dissatisfaction
with ALL established authority, including that of the (NWO) elite.
Jus one man's speculations, of course...
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Re: [CTRL] TheEagle-L] Factions or Hegelian Game?
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 07/10/1999 7:33:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: * Those working for a return to Constitutional rule in the U.S., and a return to a form of "constitutional monarchy" throughout Europe: originally/mainly continental European royals and nobles, their leadership now hides within U.S. Naval Intelligence. (Faction 2) Sorry folks, the Rehnquist Court has just negated the Constitution, Congress and Federal Laws. Perhaps they might try for a U.S. monarchy, since we have the Bush family ready to reign for years and years. Prudy DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
