-Caveat Lector- -----Original Message----- From: Ian Goddard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Newsgroups: alt.journalism,alt.activism,alt.conspiracy,alt.society.civil-liberties Date: Thursday, April 22, 1999 2:06 AM Subject: Re: U.S. Journalists to Jail On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, "John Mazor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>>> IAN: So incarceration is automatically >>>> acceptable if a law was broken. >>> >>>Well, yes. If you break the law you could be arrested. If you are, >and >>>can't get or make bail, you will go to jail. If you're convicted, >you >>>could go to prison. The journalists in question have been accused of >>>crimes. If convicted, they should go to prison. That they broke the >law >>>for (what they believed to be) good reason does not absolve them. >> >> >> IAN: You only consider the maximum penalty >> as an acceptable penalty, as if there were >> no options. > >More strawman/non sequitur/apples and oranges from Ian. Where did he >say that? IAN: He considered only maximal sentences even as a small fine could be the maximum sentence. The U.S. Code in question states that a person who removes debris (which Sanders didn't) "shall be fined under title 18, imprisoned for not more than 10 years, or both" (USC Title 49, Sec. 1155 http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/49/1155.html). So the sentence imposed on Sanders could only be a fine. Title 18 only places constraints on maximum fines. No constraint is placed on the minimum fine. So Sanders could be fined as little as $.01 and then walk free, and the law would still be legally enforced. Ergo: the implication that supporting the law means supporting jail time is a fallacy. So calls for jail time are nothing but expressions of a savage hatred of free inquiry and a ruthless zeal to crush a man who risked his freedom for the truth. http://www.erols.com/igoddard/sanders.htm >> As we know, the person who did the removing >> of evidence was basically let off for helping >> the prosecution focus on jailing the person >> who wrote about the evidence, and thus the >> claim that the case against Sanders is a >> case again removing the evidence is false. >> The case is an abuse of the law itself as >> a contrivance to punish the act of speech. > >Dust off the dictionary this time, Ian, and look up "state's >evidence." As in turning state's evidence. Collared criminals have >been cutting deals to save their hides at the expense of their fellow >criminals for thousands of years now. The guy who actually removed >the sample might be likened to a streetcorner drug dealer -- the cops >don't want the small fry, so they will let him off with a lesser >penalty if he turns in the kingpins who recruited him. > >Any kid who's ever watched cops and robbers shows knows this. You are >incredibly uninformed, or incredibly naive, or an incredibly brazen >liar. Or quite possibly, all of the above. IAN: In reality, aside from such efforts to demonize Sanders and myself, getting a second opinion and independent testing regarding any issue under consideration is a good thing, as is being able to second-guess and second-test the entity with the most guns, the government. These are things that will ensure that truth in government prevails. 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