Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Dan S wrote: bottom line is you still worship the ghost of a Jew who was executed for treason 2000 years ago, You are entitled to your opinion. That's a statement of fact, it is in fact the crux of what the Christian church bases its existence on. and

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: Dan S, Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the man Jesus was executed for treason? I was the one who posted that, and it's based on the FACT that crucifixion was a form of execution practiced solely by the Roman state, for high

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: their 'spirituality'. The giants were the offspring (raphium) of the nephilium who took women to wife. And yes, they did introduce the perversion of homosexuality to the human race... And where does it say this? June ;-)

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, nessie wrote: Me either. I thought it had something to do with his last move in public which was to drive out the money-changers by force. The Bible is unclear on this point, whether His driving the money changers out of the temple began at the beginning of

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/30/99 12:27:24 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the man Jesus was executed for treason? I'd like to hear your side of the folklore... can't say I've ever heard THIS story before.

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread Dan S
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Eagle 1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dan S, Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the man Jesus was executed for treason? I'd like to hear your side of the folklore... can't say I've ever heard THIS story before. I didn't. It was

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-30 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- You insult me I don't even know you. I've never said anything about you personally. and my beliefs I didn't insult your beliefs. Beliefs are not people and by definition can not be insulted. They can, however, be criticized. Some of them should be. But what I was

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Tatman, Robert
From: YnrChyldzWyld [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 9:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe -Caveat Lector- On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, david wrote: I beleive Romans 1: 26-32 covers this subject in more depth than does the quote f

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- Truly you should educate yourself in Biblical law, And you should educate yourself about the rest of the world. which by the way, this country as well as most of the European countries are based upon And this is a good thing, why? This country and Europe has caused the

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- I believe it's a trait one is born with, like eye and hair color, or hand dominance. In some cases, yes. in others it's a matter of taste, for which there is no accounting. Some people like catsup. Some people like mayonaisse. I like mustard. What's the big deal? What other

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- If you're incapable of comprehending a world beyond duelism, at least try the Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist concept of dualism. It's just as limiting a concept, as are all single concepts, but at least it makes sense insofar as that it has emperically validatable reality in the

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- Then don't resent me, just because I happen to agree with Biblical law. I don't. I resent Biblical law being enforced my the armed might of the supposedly secular state. It's not my religion and my tax dollars shouldn't be used to enforce its tenets. Resent those founding

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- 'Stupid people let other people think for them' because they believe in Bible? BS. On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 12:42:18 -0800, nessie wrote: at gun point to obey men who died before I was born. Stupid people let other people think for them. Really stupid people let dead people think

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- BS. It is NOT, I repeat NOT IS superstition. On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 09:32:31 -0500, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Fine. You have the right to practice the superstition of your choice, as DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list.

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: BS. It is NOT, I repeat NOT IS superstition. You worship the ghost of a Jew executed for treason 2000 years ago... Sounds pretty superstitious to me... One person's religion is another's superstition June ;-)

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- FYI, 'giants' are the nephilim. On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:37:02 -0500, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Which says nothing of homosexuality nor of the nephilim... DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- BULLSHIT!!! Jesus Christ condemned the practices of Phariseus (today are the Zionists) you dont want understand simplest things. On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:42:43 -0500, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: You worship the ghost of a Jew executed for treason 2000 years ago... DECLARATION

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread MICHAEL SPITZER
-Caveat Lector- HEY If Rod says so, so adamantly...THEN YOU CAN BET YOUR ASS HE'S RIGHT!!! On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: -Caveat Lector- BULLSHIT!!! Jesus Christ condemned the practices of Phariseus (today are the Zionists) you dont want understand simplest

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Mon, 29 Nov 1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: FYI, 'giants' are the nephilim. And are you claiming they were gay? June ;-) === No warmth, no cheerfulness, no healthful ease,

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Kris Millegan
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/29/99 6:01:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BULLSHIT!!! Jesus Christ condemned the practices of Phariseus (today are the Zionists) you dont want understand simplest things. On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 20:42:43 -0500, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Chill, PLEASE,

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Tue, 30 Nov 1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: BULLSHIT!!! Nice Christian language there Jesus Christ condemned the practices of Phariseus (today are the Zionists) you dont want understand simplest things. Oh, I understand YOU very well, and you are so blatantly

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- Yeah, Kris, it is offtopic therefore it is already dropped. On Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:49:04 EST, Kris Millegan wrote: Let us please drop it an get on with the subject at hand. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Eagle 1
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 9:37 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: YnrChyldzWyld [EMAIL PROTECTED] Whatever you choose to believe about Jesus, This is great. It is followed up by a belief about Jesus.. b

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread Eagle 1
Banhara" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 8:47 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe -Caveat Lector- FYI, 'giants' are the nephilim. On Sun, 28 Nov 1999 10:37:02 -0500, YnrChyldzWyld wrote: Which says nothing of homosexuality nor of

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- Where in the world did you ever get the idea that the man Jesus was executed for treason? I'd like to hear your side of the folklore... can't say I've ever heard THIS story before. Me either. I thought it had something to do with his last move in public which was to drive

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-29 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- The enemy of your enemy can be your friend. I only believe what I see with my own eyes, and not all of that, not by a long shot. But I believe this: we have mortal enemies in common. We would be wiser to collaborate against them than to fight each other, particularly about

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 23:01:03 -0800, nessie wrote: If Buddhism is a religion, Marxism is a religion. True, both lack dieties, but so what? A religion doesn't have to have dieties to be a religion as long as it has dogma, jargon, cosmology, believers, a priesthood, a liturgy,

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe response

1999-11-28 Thread david
-Caveat Lector- I certainly agree with you about anything being shoved down a person's throat or pushed upon them at the point of a gun. I would not be appreciative of such arrogance,coercion,or intimidation. However, I disagree that African-Americans gained their fellow citizens respect by

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sat, 27 Nov 1999, david wrote: I beleive Romans 1: 26-32 covers this subject in more depth than does the quote from Leviticus. Then why quote Leviticus? If you, or anyone else who feels the Bible damns homosexuals, feels so strongly about Leviticus, then why don't you

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Rodrigo Cesar Banhara wrote: For me, Christic consciousness (or Christian Religion) is THE Religion. Fine. You have the right to practice the superstition of your choice, as long as you don't try to ram it down the throats of others who may choose to

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread Eagle 1
or the holidays. Find one at: http://www.lambsheart.com/cafe/connect1.html +++ - Original Message - From: "YnrChyldzWyld" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 28, 1999 8:24 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe response

1999-11-28 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, david wrote: I certainly agree with you about anything being shoved down a person's throat or pushed upon them at the point of a gun. I would not be appreciative of such arrogance,coercion,or intimidation. However, I disagree that African-Americans gained

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, Eagle 1 wrote: there is no picking and choosing going on here. Some ordinances were done away with, with the coming of Christ in the flesh. Done away with are ordinances regarding the blood sacrifices for one. Christ said that He came to FULFILL the law,

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/28/99 1:41:45 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dont make me to jest! MARXISM = RELIGION. The Religion of Satan, sure. :) Marxism is as much a religion as any staunchly held and rigorously defended dogma, or philosophical stance.

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/28/99 2:01:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: at least try the Buddhist/Confucian/Taoist concept of dualism. It's just as limiting a concept, as are all single concepts, but at least it makes sense insofar as that it has

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe response

1999-11-28 Thread TenebrousT
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/28/99 4:08:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thankfully ,there are laws that prevent Christians and all religions from using the force of a gun as an evangelistic tool in the US. If you have experienced such a thing you do have

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- Truly you should educate yourself in Biblical law, which by the way, this country as well as most of the European countries are based upon Like I said, it has been and continues to be rammed down the rest of our throats at the point of a gun. The armed might of the state

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread William Shannon
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/28/99 12:14:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like I said, it has been and continues to be rammed down the rest of our throats at the point of a gun. The armed might of the state enforces Christian tenets on us all, and I for one

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-28 Thread Yardbird
-Caveat Lector- On Sun, 28 Nov 1999, William Shannon wrote: You are absolutely not alone!!! I'll fight the religious kook fringe anyday, and the force of reason always trumps the folly of superstition... Bill. Really? P.T.Barnum wouldn't have thought so...come to think of it neither would

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-27 Thread YnrChyldzWyld
-Caveat Lector- On Fri, 26 Nov 1999, nessie wrote: I wonder, does Mr. Farah "round the corners" of his beard, also forbidden by Leviticus. Perhaps in the depths of his depravity he even practices Capitalism in open defiance of Acts 2:44. Or since he's such a proponent of Levitical law, I

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-27 Thread david
-Caveat Lector- I beleive Romans 1: 26-32 covers this subject in more depth than does the quote from Leviticus. Lesbianism is covered in this passage as well.( Just FYI if there is to be an honest or complete discussion of the subject of Biblical admonitions regarding sexual practices.) There

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-27 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- I fail to see how the discussion relates to conspiracy theories Obviouslyit's because Christians seem to think the entire world revolves around them and their religion. In all fairness I must point out that so do Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Marxists and Buddhists. Buddhists are

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-27 Thread Rodrigo Cesar Banhara
-Caveat Lector- Dont make me to jest! MARXISM = RELIGION. The Religion of Satan, sure. :) On Sat, 27 Nov 1999 22:34:55 -0800, nessie wrote: do Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Marxists and Buddhists. Buddhists are the least DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a Homophobe

1999-11-27 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- Dont make me to jest! MARXISM = RELIGION. If Buddhism is a religion, Marxism is a religion. True, both lack dieties, but so what? A religion doesn't have to have dieties to be a religion as long as it has dogma, jargon, cosmology, believers, a priesthood, a liturgy, and a

[CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-26 Thread Bill Richer
-Caveat Lector- WJPBR Email News List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Peace at any cost is a prelude to war! • Joseph Farah is editor of WorldNetDaily.com. • -- --

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-26 Thread Maggie
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - : : : : There were no laws or traditions against incest -- except: those, perhaps, written on the hearts of men by God from the beginning of : time. Ask yourself, if it's not biblical morality that stops us from moving down : this slippery slope,

Re: [CTRL] Why I am not a homophobe

1999-11-26 Thread nessie
-Caveat Lector- So, if you're going to tear down the walls of 5,000 years of law and Judeo-Christian tradition with regard to homosexuality, perhaps you should consider the next domino to fall. Will it be incest? Will it be pederasty? Or (shudder) the wearing of clothes made from the mixing of