-Caveat Lector- Hello social changers- Please read and offer comments? Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -----Original Message----- From: JP Viken Sent: Fri 11/5/99 2:18 AM Re: Intercepted mail, tracking your connections, etc. Here's how I really feel. I'm very angry and discouraged that the power elites (multinational corps/banks/govt and quasi-govt bureacracies) have apparently destroyed much of the rule of law in America. I think those elites are doing everything they can to create global power networks for their interlocked, international corporations, each of which can flex more muscle than most governments. I am angry that these elites appear to have given their allegiance to each other and their family and association networks and not our great nation. These elites have the agencies of govt and govt officials in their pockets (that is, we have the best govt their money can buy, unfortunately). These folks have no conscience, and are apparently filled with endless darkness. They care mostly about money and power and apparently care nothing of justice, righteousness or charity. They are playing a dangerous game for us as well as for themselves and can easily take us into major societal breakdown, regional war and even major nuclear war. I am angry that our congress allowed these elites to take over our congressional right to an honest money system. What we have now is a toxically inflated debt based fraudulant fiat currency, the biggest ponzi scheme in history. The interest they accrue on their books to lend us our own money is never put into circulation, so it can never be paid back (our imaginary national debt is the total of all this fraudulant interest). This money system creates an indentured servitude to material goods that takes moms out of the home and makes children mental, emotional orphans. And I am angry that our congressional leaders have allowed themselves to become so comprimised that they sold their souls for money, power and the dc lifestyle. I am angry that parents have allowed tv to raise their children and mind control sick values and beliefs into them. I am angry that we as a society have allowed liberalism and situational morality to be taught to our children through the schools and tv. I hate to believe in conspiracy theories, but it sure seems to me noam chomsky got a lot of it correctly when he called this phenomena manufactured consent. If we have a govt that has gotten so corrupt that it is functioning as a puppet for the internationally based corporate elites and their families, and these entities have had a long term historical commitment to drugs and anything else that yeild power and money no matter who it hurts, then we as a society are in deep, deep trouble. I fear that the global system these elites are attempting to create is a system of interlocked, international corporations that will transform most countries of the world (including ours) into countries like mexico or colombia, each and all serf based fascist oligarchies with almost no health care and countless lifestyles of disease and suffering (like one big cost to coast mexico city on each continent). I believe that 98% of our corrupt covert operators and bureacratic shills (the wayne adrian richs and mark richards of our govt) do not really understand what their actions are ultimately going to do to this nation, its families and children and to their own families. I believe that whatever happens the next 1 to 10 years, at least at somepoint it will come unglued and there will be a catastrophic rise in death rates here and abroad. I hope not, but history suggests this. I knew some facts about a certain naughty son that grew up in a wealthy family and had no correction. When he did naughty things either the cops looked the other way or his dad made some calls. He was never punished or corrected. He grew up to be super perverted, whacky and a blight to the community and perpetuated the same total lack of morality upon his own rich & spoiled kids. His foolish behavior caused an accidental death which was quickly covered up. I suppose his sick family which had almost no intrinsic character or morality serves as a standard for what these types of families produce as traditions in the elites when there can be no correction to this kind of family power allowed to exist above the law. I know that our gov't alphabets are systemically crazy, perverted, and murderous just like these type elite families and have used the cloak of executive privilege and so called "national security" to rationalize their appetites for money, power, and industrial acquisitions, and the war games they love to play, and are above the law and any correction. These agencies function as servants to these elites. The behavior of these families and their "agencies" produce institutional death and suffering for millions. How sad they don't use their intelligence and skills to give life, to foster love, and food, shelter and jobs for all. I think the american public is so compromised morally now that it will be a miracle if they come to their senses. I see a continued movement to a socialistic fascist state in this country just like occured in germany in the 30's with repeated burning of the reichstags and an apparent war by the govt against the people and their minds. I hope I am wrong but it looks like its going to be the fourth reich of the rich. It really concerns me that these elites condition and then set-off all these mkultra "lone-nut" shooters and then hypocritically push "gun control" while importing and selling cheaply bought high priced but crummy assault weapons made in china by russian design. If the elite families will bring drugs in for money and agents of control and "low intensity warfare", what else will they do for their own benefit. If they will spread drugs and drug based death, and use alphabets to whack folks, what else will they do to perpetuate their own elitism and power? Answer: anything and everything, including using litle kids as sex toys for themselves and to comprimise others, including well coordinated attempts to create race conflicts/wars, and othermajor societal and political and meaningless conflicts to promote their covert excesses and power base. Time and time again anyone in these agencies, corporations, and govt bureacracies who takes a stand for morality and righteousness is immediately quashed, marginalized, disempowered, comprimised through most sophisticate enrapments or just plain whacked out. Most on this list have probably endured at least some harassmnent for telling the truth and thinking freely. Unless there is a spontaneous uprising of individual, family, community, govt, and corporate morality in this nation, I think we are probably finished within the next 1 to 10 years and probably deserve to be. God help us all, and may he do it as soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ruppert Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 11:50 PM Re: Intercepted mail, tracking your connections, etc. Jim: Don't hoild back now. Tell us how you really feel! Thanks also. It was a bit cathartic for me. Mike Ruppert -----Original Message----- From: JP Viken Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 6:14 PM Re: Intercepted mail, tracking your connections, etc. from: jpviken On 11-3 my e'mail system went down completely after opening up a cia list e'mail. It took me about 8 hours to fix it. I had to completely remove all traces of netscape and then re-enter microsoft explorer to even get it to work. Sounds like the nsa and their minions have had their fill of us! We must be getting too close to discovering something they are afraid of. There is a little story that I never told before, a story told me years go by a very deep cover contact of mine, now deceased. I didn't give much credibility to his tale, since I felt his stories were just way too unbelievable. Although he had too much money and way more power than he deserved, I could just never place much credibility in his stories, they were just too incredible. I enjoyed his company because of the outdoor national and international hobby we enjoyed. Now looking back years later, I'm not so sure anymore his stories were so far out. He told me on a number of occasions that later on at a certain point, our overlord sub-earo minions who run the american industrial/military/intelligence system would attempt to go global, but that their greatest fear at that time would be a possible "mass, spontaneous uprising of unassociated, unorganized, lone-nut assassins" who might attack any and all oligarchs and feds at will in kamikaze style revenge attacks and that this might occur when said folk find out that their situation is irreversably lost and they have been irrepairably duped. Apparently their all too frequent use of the lone-nut assassin model has left subconcious reverberations of the golden rule inversion, best translated as: instead of (do unto others as you would like them to do unto you), the inverse of "expect others to treat you in the worst ways you ever treated them, and expect them to do this to you when you are most vulnerable and least expect it" (commonly referred to as "what goes around comes around" or "paybacks a bitch". This is why the alphabets want all the guns. There is another big problem the usa-based, sub-euro oligarchs and a their alphabet minions do not yet know. And that is that in the larger scope of things they will have their celebration or awards party given them when the old euro merchant banking, black nobility families attain the new world order and make it a euro world order: this celebration party for the usa shills/cutouts will be a "night of the long-knives" like the brown shirts got in germany (come celebrate our victory on the train, we'll have a geat time!"---result: all whacked to the last brownshirt). If this story is true, this will be one heck of a reward! Deep cover rumor: old euro minions have fixed up our sidona, fema, cog type underground type bases with very special treatments by which these sub-euro usa shills/cutouts can "celebrate". It wil be a super-"whacked/out" celebration, "night of the longknives", wackemout style. Apparently, in the major scope of things, going global means going euro supremo and that all major usa industries will have to be either immobilized, destroyed or transferred to euro so that the usa money generator can be "eliminated" and euro can assume its long designed role. The Ero old nobility will not need us any more to industrialze, organize, and compartmenbtalize the world for them--it will be time to take us out and take it home! We better Hope this recent type of thing with Boeing is just temporary and airbus is just a flash in the pan. This supposed future "just deserts" or reciprocal treachery is not expected by these sub-euro shills/cutouts. They will shrill in pain, "but we brought in your drugs, we did your hits, we laundered your money, we served you well, how can you do this to us? and such will fall on deaf ears. Of course many brass have already been marginalized, quieted by comprimise and quite a number whacked out in mysterious helicopter based training accidents. Of course there are always those improbable and mysterious type suicides (eg three gunshots to the chest boorda style with no powder burns, etc., etc.) Upper level sub-euro usa minions will think they are "above all this" and will be "taken care of in the larger scope of things." They sure will be taken care of, but "night of the longknives" style! As this onion gets peeled, there will be numerous uprisings within and between many groups. Recurrent, repititive "burning of the reichstag" type events will be used to elicit & impose martial law and employ fema, the aphabetss and the military against their own people and families, thus insuring complete soicial and moral destruction of american, and this will prove even better than what drug importing has accomplished. We'll see storm tropoers against the people and seizures will be the bait. The urbans will rise against the suburbans, race against race, people vs. the cops, etc., etc. Late in the game many intelligence operatives and senior intelligence officers and military now serving in mid to high range sub-euro minion positions will start to see they have been had and that they have been used to destroy america and themselves and their own families, and they will strike out with everything they have. But it will be too late because extensive, brutal efforts will be quickly made to tag them. Any usa police, usa military, usa alphabets, usa govt officials & workers will be quickly disposed of by any means the modal means will be "report to room 222 for sog training to combat the upcoming urban riots"--room 222 is "night of the longknives time">>gas ig farben style, autoarms fire, plastic etc., etc. The euro masters know that no underling/shill/cutout/minion can ever be trusted and that all must be eliminated, and this means all from the lowest to the biggest american oligarchs. Of course the UN can maybe called in to help (but they will reorganized under euro directive and help themselves to us and our property--this will be their bait) later on they can be taken care of too if it suits the euros). If things get out of hand nukes likely will be used. Bottom line, ero oligarchs are within striking distance to rule the world. Brussels is now the world's new washington dc. Do I think this scenario is a correct one? I suspect not, but it is thought provoking, and I do know that there are a substantial number of military and intelligence officers who now feel they have "been had by their top sub-euro oligarch cutouts" but they don't know what to do--they wait in quiet desperation. I also know that the soviet union at one time had trojan horse plans to destabilize the usa and take it over by covert military means in cahoots with the chinese while appearing harmless as a lamb on the home front. I do know one thing for sure. When you go to camp peary, "the farm" for your covert honeymoon where you learn how to blow up buses with molotov cocktails, drive pencils unders someone's chin, and to beat people up with lamps and furniture, it ait to milk the cows and they don't give you "informed consent!" They don't have to tell you that carrying the power of american national security is more seductive than a wad of big bills, raw sex, or drugs. What they should have to tell you but don't is that you will be used and then eventually discredited and maybe even disposed of if and when deemed useful to "national security". As the old timers say, "once in, in for life, at least for the rest of your life, however long that is!". And we now know that the mid to upper level sub-euro minions (earl brian level) will get theirs too and many already have--if you know too much you get that dsmo alzeihmers innoculation on the wheel of your car as your rewrd for loyal service (courtesy the disc ghoul squad or the tsd)! If you're a low level street grunt they don't tell you that they've got two or three doubles for you on tap anytime who can and may dress like you, look like you, walk like you and will on request rob a dairy store or a bank on video and drive a car like yours with the same license plate, in case they need to "cool you out" for awhile. They don't tell you your money wires may keep getting lost. They don't tell you that you might be cut loose if those pesky congression investigators need a scapegoat. They don't tell you they may squeeze your balls with administrative red tape like ("gee, those damn bureaucrats at the agency have screwed things up", or those idiots at state dept just keep messing up your file", "don't worry, we'll have it straightened out in no time". Or those aid people are really friends of ours but they get caught up in interagency conflicts and it takes time for us to get it straightened out. As you mature in your glorious career "things they start a turning, they start to unravel--pretty soon it aint so fun anymore (you get that unreasy, queasy feeling in your gut). Pretty soon the only relief you have is booze. If you're a higher up, as you get old and the wrinkles deepen, you wait for the special ghoul squad for when "it's your time". That last car sort of slowed when it turned, didn't it, what about the guy in sunglasses that kept staring at you at the resturaunt. Whats that gritty feel to my toothpaste? If you're especially obediant you secretly hope it can't hapen to you, but you wait in quiet desperation and just hope they'll let you live out your life in the luxury they gave you in return for your treachery to the little folks under guise of national security. If your really high up and especially effective, they might take you to berne at that certain clinic and let you have those special anti-aging "fetal neuro extract" injections at the back of your neck to enter your spinal fluid. Later on with the change in the executive branch, you start to get marginalized and pushed out into the cold (the big boys don't return your calls very fast or maybe not at all any more). You secretly phantasize about who you might tap for revenge but your not sure who the mr. bigs really are, or who ultimately pulls their strings. You know your sups always had to check with miV, but you weren't really sure why. You pledge to yourself not to fly in small aircraft or helicopters or fly in any commercial flights, and not to even go out at night unless you are in a crowd. And for that day of your last breath you wait. National security becomes national insecurity for you. Please disregard this story as the whinings of an old burned out, deceased covert operative. . DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER ========== CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. 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