Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
From: "Samantha L." [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe strongly based on what I've read, learned, experienced and seen in conjunction with my intuition after years of seeking such information. What is the EVIDENCE to the contrary? First off, I must again point out that it is YOU who espouse an extraterrestial basis for UFOs, and as such it is YOUR job to present such evidence to US, not vice versa. Secondly, you ask us to prove a negative, e.g. "What is the evidence to the contrary?". I could claim that UFOs are 'manned' by the Keebler elves, and that they use chocolate chip cookies rejected in the QA process as their fuel source. Can YOU present evidence to the contrary? Evidence, remember, not personal opinion... I could claim that space aliens assassinated JFK Can YOU present evidence to the contrary? What is there besides possible alternative explanations? Depends on what you define as 'alternative'. Within the 'alternative' umbrella, we have the possibility that UFOs are flown by extra-dimensional beings who have co-existed with us for millenia...beings who are NOT from other planets, but from another dimension here on Earth. Outside of the 'alternative' catch-all, we have the possibility that it is a mind-control experiment by solely Earth-based agencies. There are more than a few cases which point to this possibility... To support your assertions, you are not required to prove a negative, you are only required to prove that the unidentified flying objects are of human, terrestrial origin. Since this seems to be your belief akin to religiosity, I ask you to provide evidence for it. No, what you miss is that we don't 'believe' any one thing...we entertain any number of possibilities. It is YOU who push only one answer, but provide nothing but the dogma of your new religion in an inadequate attempt to substantiate your claims. There is no proof that all are flying objects of terrestrial origin just as there is no proof (that I know of) that all are of extra-terrestrial origin. Eureka! You ADMIT that there is no proof of the extraterrestial claim. It is only one of many possible answers. There is EVIDENCE sufficient to support the theory that they ARE of extra-terrestrial origin. No, there is NO evidence of an ET origin, and you and the other ET-true- believers have presented none. You have presented OPINION, and called it 'fact'. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
Samantha, and other ETHers: Oh, dear. I seem to have miffed a few people with the assertion that the belief in aliens traveling in UFO's is akin to religion. It was not my intention to demean anyone or "pidgeon-hole" them. Frankly, since I have already stated that it is POSSIBLE that some UFO's are of alien origin, BUT THAT THERE IS NO EVIDENCE FOR IT, and that therefore it is more a BELIEF than a fact, I feel I have yielded enough on the issue. You, and others who believe as you do, may be one hundred percent correct, but you are espousing a BELIEF with no proof for that position. You will not admit that you could be wrong and neither will you entertain "alternate explanations". That means you are not arguing a position that it is possible to argue against since nothing I say or post will shake your belief. I don't have to prove that SOME UFO's are terrestrial in origin, others have done it before me, and much better than I could. There is the theory of Earth Lights, and stealth and secret aircraft, (I know you have heard of Aurora), there are many other things that UFO's definitely are, like misidentified regular aircraft, celestial events, car headlights, lighthouses, and even swamp gas. Do you deny that there is ample evidence for al of the above? There simply is no evidence that any UFO ever was piloted by an alien, or that any UFO has an origin elsewhere. I also entertain the POSSIBILITY that some UFO's are not "terrestrial" in the sense that they are made by men of today. That is that SOME of them just MIGHT be of alien origin but there is no evidence of it and thus I am agnostic on the subject. I would say there is just as much "evidence" that UFO's that one cannot classify into any of the slots I note above (and others I, know doubt, in my ignorance, fail to cite)are of a SUPERNATURAL, IMMATERIAL nature. So why does it have to be one way only, and why is it that you cannot admit that because there is a lack of evidence for your contention that you may in fact be wrong? The reason is as I state, it is like a religion, where your belief is supported by your faith in interpretations that you get second or third hand from the sources (or perhaps are there some personal experiences that you witnessed or were part of?) and take at face value without critiquing them at all. Even if there are creatures buzzing around abducting people and saying they are aliens, and looking like aliens does not constitute evidence at all, because they could be lying to cover any number of nefarious agendas. I don't have to prove anything to you, because I admit the possibility that some UFO's are of extraterrestrial origin, though I give it a very low probability. What I will not do is give into the belief system and accept belief in them in the absence of proof, so I wait to see what comes about. You on the other hand will not admit the slightest and offer no evidence in support of ALIENS (though you have cited some good info. that is evidence of the reality of UFO's which is something that I think we all already agree is a real phenomenon). It is absolutely clear, that unless you admit the possibility that you are wrong, then your view is unshakable and it wouldn't matter what I said about it. I admit the possibility of aliens, but that is a BELIEF on my part, not based on evidence in support of it. As such it has very little likelihood of being true, but it is possible. I will never just accept it without the proof to see. If that offends you, or pidgeon-holes you then. . .I'm sorry, but that is just the way it is. On Wed, 31 May 2000, "Samantha L." wrote: In a message dated 5/31/00 10:47:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the whole point. There are people on this list and in the wide world who BELIEVE in "aliens" so strongly that it is a religious thing for them. This is why they will not yield on evidenciary grounds, or even admit the POSIIBILITY that there are no "aliens" coming to Earth from elsewhere. Beliefs cannot be argued and no evidence to the contrary will shake ones belief if one is strong enough in it. I believe strongly based on what I've read, learned, experienced and seen in conjunction with my intuition after years of seeking such information. What is the EVIDENCE to the contrary? What is there besides possible alternative explanations? If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary PROOF." Where have I heard that before? To support your assertions, you are not required to prove a negative, you are only required to prove that the unidentified flying objects are of human, terrestrial origin. Since this seems to be your belief akin to religiosity, I ask you to provide evidence for it. There is no proof that all are flying objects of terrestrial origin just as there is no proof (that I know of) that all are of
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
Are you saying that the supposed aliens behind the supposed abductions are friendly and beneficial towards homo sapiens? there's bad and good and neutral involved - in all of the anecdotes, and, in my personal experience, good and bad with differing species. If so, you and they have a very strange conception of 'beneficial'. The thing that makes this so controversial a discussion to have is that there is at least two definitions of reality involved. 1. the fodder given to the masses - we live, we die and we MIGHT go to heaven 2. we have lived before, we live now, and will live again and again and again Most of the human race cannot remember who they were before they came here. [and btw - I also believe that every religion and religious system on this planet has been destroyed by resident aliens - so I have no religious agenda here] - I know I'm immortal because I have the memories and experience. So it may also be the case in some cases that abductee and abductors had met before Earth somewhere else within the last 120 years and a contract or commitment undertaken in some cases to liase in the future as human on earth. And perhaps you can explain to us dumb homo sapiens just why 'aliens', no matter where they originate from, are so interested in us, 1. diverse software concepts 2. global DNA mine 3. diverse artefacts and produce 4. soul capture and ransom and why people like you seem to think we have to give up our autonomy to these aliens in the name of 'saving ourselves'? yes we have the right to wallow in mud and blud - we can go on taking for as long as the reptoids want to hand it out - AUTONOMY is SLAVERY I have been trying to contribute to the global freedom effort all my life - no-one on this list could want peace on earth and autonomy for mankind more - but we have to get real here - we're up against telepathic talents of considerable magnitude. How is it you think that with millions of secret societies and fractioned interest groups that no strategic secret has ever surfaced - An open competition between anarchic human secret societies simply isn't a valid assertion - its only human to want to drop the opposition in it - yet no such sanction has ever been publicly exposed. The whole hierarchy - if all pervasive and the one umbrella, and no leaks - is because they're all playing on the same team regardless of what side they appear to be on. They are all bound together not just by breakable oaths but by the certain knowledge that they are a different species who outthink their puny competition simply by being able to read their minds and shre their data. I'll bet that you couldn't Vote a Human Politician into power that would be of any use at all to the Human Race - pro-human politics are a contradiction. The reptoids have AUTONOMY - the autonomy of a stable state of MASTERY over their HUMAN SLAVES. andrew hennessey A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes we have the right to wallow in mud and blud - we can go on taking for as long as the reptoids want to hand it out - AUTONOMY is SLAVERY It's nice to see that Orwell's "1984" is alive and thriving in your cosmology. For the rest of us, "AUTONOMY is SLAVERY" makes our skin crawl. A perfect slogan to convince the masses to give up their own power to a few elites...whether the elites be terrestial, extraterrestial, or pseudo- extraterrestial... I have been trying to contribute to the global freedom effort all my life - no-one on this list could want peace on earth and autonomy for mankind more - but we have to get real here - we're up against telepathic talents of considerable magnitude. How is it you think that with millions of secret societies I might be willing to concede a few, perhaps even dozens, of 'secret societies', but not 'millions'... Sort of gives lie to the term 'secret', if there are 'millions' of them... I'll bet that you couldn't Vote a Human Politician into power that would be of any use at all to the Human Race - pro-human politics are a contradiction. Not as things stand now, with the 'big two' party system...and the recently usurped "Reform" Party. But I DO believe we can take the power back, starting on a local and state level and then moving on to national and international. I prefer we homo sapiens decide our own destiny, rather than some beings from another planet or dimensions. What you argue for is nothing but colonialism on a quite literally universal scale...we homo sapiens are apparantly considered savages who need to be introduced to 'civilization' and 'the one true God' that these supposed aliens offer. The reptoids have AUTONOMY - the autonomy of a stable state of MASTERY over their HUMAN SLAVES. And so you argue for homo sapiens to forego gaining their OWN autonomy, in lieu of trading one slave state (supposedly being controlled by 'reptoids') for another slave state (being controlled by supposed 'aliens' of another flavor)... Slavery is slavery. "House slaves" in the south prior to the Civil War had much better living conditions than field slaves...but they were slaves, nonetheless... June (who doesn't want to trade being a field slave to be a house slave, but rather seeks to be a free and autonomous human being) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
At 07:49 AM 31, 05, , 2000 -0400, you wrote: From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes we have the right to wallow in mud and blud - we can go on taking for as long as the reptoids want to hand it out - AUTONOMY is SLAVERY It's nice to see that Orwell's "1984" is alive and thriving in your cosmology. For the rest of us, "AUTONOMY is SLAVERY" makes our skin crawl. I see that you totally misread what I am trying to convey and somehow took it completely out of context - I know that it isn't deliberate though because your researches are obviously incomplete - and no insult or slur intended there either. Powerful Dark beings have been in charge for a long time - and they plan for it to stay that way. They have access to a larger resource base than the people on this world wishing autonomy and freedom. I don't think however that the resolution has to be a civil war to free us from this slavery though it makes us feel good to think about helping ourselves. because you are of the mindset that there are no ET's or infraterrestrials here then it would follow logically that the only solution to this tyranny is armed conflict. Your problem with aliens is that you believe that there are none about My problem with aliens is to motivate the good ones that are about to help also my further problem with aliens is that I do think pat buchanan has been got - and that no political solution we could dream up under the status quo would work. andrew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
Andrew Hennessey wrote: At 07:49 AM 31, 05, , 2000 -0400, you wrote: From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] yes we have the right to wallow in mud and blud - we can go on taking for as long as the reptoids want to hand it out - AUTONOMY is SLAVERY It's nice to see that Orwell's "1984" is alive and thriving in your cosmology. For the rest of us, "AUTONOMY is SLAVERY" makes our skin crawl. I see that you totally misread what I am trying to convey and somehow took it completely out of context - I know that it isn't deliberate though because your researches are obviously incomplete - and no insult or slur intended there either. Powerful Dark beings have been in charge for a long time - and they plan for it to stay that way. You mean Negroes? They have access to a larger resource base than the people on this world wishing autonomy and freedom. Are you saying that there are more Negroes in the universe than earthlings? I don't think however that the resolution has to be a civil war to free us from this slavery though it makes us feel good to think about helping ourselves. Hell yeah! Let's have a civil war to free us from the Negroes. Hmmm. What's ironic about that I wonder? because you are of the mindset that there are no ET's or infraterrestrials here then it would follow logically that the only solution to this tyranny is armed conflict. Lory Lory hallelujah, we are gonna sock it to ya, then we're gonna grab an do ya, out truth is marching on. Your problem with aliens is that you believe that there are none about My problem with aliens is to motivate the good ones that are about to help also my further problem with aliens is that I do think pat buchanan has been got - That TRAITOR! That bastard Buchanan IS REALLy A NEGRO? That's it. I'll never trust a politician again. Finished. Farfallen. Geshtalt. Finis. The end. Over. and that no political solution we could dream up under the status quo would work. andrew You have shattered my illusions. Joshua2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powerful Dark beings have been in charge for a long time - and they plan for it to stay that way. I actually tend to agree with you on that. But that is my OPINION, based on my various readings over the years... They have access to a larger resource base than the people on this world wishing autonomy and freedom. This I DISAGREE with...again, my OPINION, based on various readings I've done over the years They would like us to BELIEVE they are stronger than we are, but that is wrong...very wrong...which is why they fear us... ;-) because you are of the mindset that there are no ET's or infraterrestrials here I never said that. What I, and others on this list, HAVE said is that there is no EVIDENCE that UFOs are anything but terrestial in nature. They may be extraterrestial, or 'infraterrestestial', but there is no objective PROOF of this. And one SHOULD keep an open mind to all possibilities, including the possibility that UFOs are part of a terrestial disinformation campaign. then it would follow logically that the only solution to this tyranny is armed conflict. It may be the only solution if they turn out to be extraterrestial or 'infraterrestial', too... Your problem with aliens is that you believe that there are none about Again, I've never said that. Actually, I tend to believe some sort of non- homo sapien DOES also inhabit this sphere...but I readily admit it as a BELIEF, and OPINION as it were. I'm not going about saying that it's the God-given-gospel-word on the matter. My problem with aliens is to motivate the good ones that are about to help My problem with 'aliens' is that I've never read about a one that makes me feel as warm and fuzzy about them as you seem to feel. Even the supposedly 'good' ones seem to treat us paternalistically, and offer a philosophy down- playing what homo sapiens have, and can, accomplish solely on our own. How do you know that this planet isn't being used as an insane asylum for the universe, that this isn't the place where the criminally insane of outer space get sent to? That your dear aliens are not in fact intergalatic Ted Bundys, Charlie Mansons, Jeffrey Dahmers, etc.? That the aliens you deem 'good' are only consummate con artists, as adept at manipulating victims as Bundy or Manson was? You don't. You only have their supposed WORD for what they supposedly ARE. June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
On Tue, 30 May 2000, Nurev Ind Research wrote: Because this syndrome is simply displaced religiosity. J2 This is the whole point. There are people on this list and in the wide world who BELIEVE in "aliens" so strongly that it is a religious thing for them. This is why they will not yield on evidenciary grounds, or even admit the POSIIBILITY that there are no "aliens" coming to Earth from elsewhere. Beliefs cannot be argued and no evidence to the contrary will shake ones belief if one is strong enough in it. "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, in The Matrix "My God it's full of stars!" Dave Bowman, in 2001: A Space Odyssey ___ Why pay when you don't have to? Get AltaVista Free Internet Access now! http://jump.altavista.com/freeaccess4.go ___ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
In a message dated 5/31/00 10:47:32 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is the whole point. There are people on this list and in the wide world who BELIEVE in "aliens" so strongly that it is a religious thing for them. This is why they will not yield on evidenciary grounds, or even admit the POSIIBILITY that there are no "aliens" coming to Earth from elsewhere. Beliefs cannot be argued and no evidence to the contrary will shake ones belief if one is strong enough in it. I believe strongly based on what I've read, learned, experienced and seen in conjunction with my intuition after years of seeking such information. What is the EVIDENCE to the contrary? What is there besides possible alternative explanations? If you have evidence to the contrary, please post it. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary PROOF." Where have I heard that before? To support your assertions, you are not required to prove a negative, you are only required to prove that the unidentified flying objects are of human, terrestrial origin. Since this seems to be your belief akin to religiosity, I ask you to provide evidence for it. There is no proof that all are flying objects of terrestrial origin just as there is no proof (that I know of) that all are of extra-terrestrial origin. There is EVIDENCE sufficient to support the theory that they ARE of extra-terrestrial origin. There is probably evidence to suggest that some are of human, terrestrial origin. Did you not read the theory of at least two people here that there is a genuine phenomenon AND a mimic phenomenon? You seem to pigeon-hole these posts whose contents you take issue with, pigeon-hole the posters, twist the words and meanings, ascribe motives you can have no knowledge of, and generally filter the information presented to make it appear that those who post it are irrational and childish. It is very insulting. Samantha A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
Ynr Chyldz Wyld wrote: From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we had choices as a global population - say we could choose inner earth, deep bases, moon, mars, europa, local or distant dimensions, beings of pure energy etc etc variously allied interstellar civilisations - if we had choices, then lets choose beings who have been called the BIG ANGELS, or, me, I would settle for the species of aliens known in third world countries as the LITTLE ANGELS - known for their curative and healing powers ie. [the GREYS sp] The X-files Xplanations are racist propaganda - smoke and mirrors and ink, for the masses of the globe have frightened the Octopus before its time. Are you saying that the supposed aliens behind the supposed abductions are friendly and beneficial towards homo sapiens? If so, you and they have a very strange conception of 'beneficial'. And perhaps you can explain to us dumb homo sapiens just why 'aliens', no matter where they originate from, are so interested in us, and why people like you seem to think we have to give up our autonomy to these aliens in the name of 'saving ourselves'? June Because this syndrome is simply displaced religiosity. J2 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] the problem with aliens
From: "Andrew Hennessey" [EMAIL PROTECTED] If we had choices as a global population - say we could choose inner earth, deep bases, moon, mars, europa, local or distant dimensions, beings of pure energy etc etc variously allied interstellar civilisations - if we had choices, then lets choose beings who have been called the BIG ANGELS, or, me, I would settle for the species of aliens known in third world countries as the LITTLE ANGELS - known for their curative and healing powers ie. [the GREYS sp] The X-files Xplanations are racist propaganda - smoke and mirrors and ink, for the masses of the globe have frightened the Octopus before its time. Are you saying that the supposed aliens behind the supposed abductions are friendly and beneficial towards homo sapiens? If so, you and they have a very strange conception of 'beneficial'. And perhaps you can explain to us dumb homo sapiens just why 'aliens', no matter where they originate from, are so interested in us, and why people like you seem to think we have to give up our autonomy to these aliens in the name of 'saving ourselves'? June A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] the problem with aliens
We've had Hollywood churn out X-files, Independence Day, Dark Skies, Progeny, Galaxy Quest - and somehow the goverment history factory called hollywood has provided the anxious and stressed - 'future shocked' - planet - with the explanations that their exhausted, hysterical and battered psychologies have been waiting for - and most, too tired to argue, as the Tavistock Institute long ago predicted, too tired to believe or disbelieve have fallen for the government line hook line and sinker. The one common thread - running through all this psychodrama and propoganda is that a small, evil looking demonic soulless cold entity - belonging to a vast and predatory civilisation appeared in the 1940s -then duped the us government with the promise of high tech which later didn't work - so that they could get real close and personal with all the 'white women' - And now even hard hearted military types are full of remorse and want to take revenge on them evil varmits - for the honour of the south. The truth of our history, our archaeology, our ethnological studies is probably that a sentient reptile race that can look human has been in charge of the human race since the beginning of recorded history. And that that species is primarily responsible for suppressing ALL technology and human evolution. Connections and realisation, recognition and verification of this fact are spreading like wildfire on the internet - people have access to images and research - and more than likely the governments are getting panicked because they have yet to firmly establish in the mass mind who the fall guys are. These powerful and bloody people/beings need a scapegoat because if they don't find one - the fingers of blame for the mess are going to point not at little squidzy, grey monsters [the new age jews of global naziism] - but the smiling fatcats of the human looking circus of blood - the fashionable monsters of human globalism who cut a fine swathe in a versace suit or dress. If we had choices as a global population - say we could choose inner earth, deep bases, moon, mars, europa, local or distant dimensions, beings of pure energy etc etc variously allied interstellar civilisations - if we had choices, then lets choose beings who have been called the BIG ANGELS, or, me, I would settle for the species of aliens known in third world countries as the LITTLE ANGELS - known for their curative and healing powers ie. [the GREYS sp] The X-files Xplanations are racist propaganda - smoke and mirrors and ink, for the masses of the globe have frightened the Octopus before its time. andrew hennessey shalom from andrew [Greyfriend] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
