Re: [CTRL] Barbara Marx Hubbard; NWO/U.S. Army Delta Force consultant
-Caveat Lector- On 2 Nov 99, at 0:13, Dave wrote: David Rockefeller, current head of Rockefeller empire and member (past chairman) of Council on Foreign Relations, is widely recognized as the foremost partisan for world government under the UN. Here is what benevolent capitalist', Rockefeller is on record as stating in 1973 about Mao Tse-tung: (NY Times 8-10-73) "Whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded not only in producing more efficient and dedicated administration, but also in fostering high morale and community of purpose. The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history." If one remembers anything of Chinese history, one must remember that the Chinese Revolution grew out a nation decimated by drugs (imported from the West and virtually forced on the people until addiction was achieved), desperate poverty, and almost inconceivable corruption at Imperial levels. The Revolution was, in fact a rebellion against these things. Then one understands that flooding the US with drugs and creating poverty is a step in the direction of creating a like "revolution" here in America. And you were surpised by the massacre in Tienamen Square? It is sort of paradoxical: The leadership has reason to despise the West remembering the corruption it bred in China prior to the Revolution-- a corruption that reduced the massive population to desperation and starvation. Yet many young Chinese associate western "democracy" with freedoms they long for and don't enjoy under their present regime. sno0wl DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Barbara Marx Hubbard; NWO/U.S. Army Delta Force consultant
-Caveat Lector- Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart In this episode of POTENTIALS . . . Envisioning the New Millennium, host Barbara Marx Hubbard explores the U.S. Armys Delta Force with one of its key visionary members. They explore how the Army has incorporated high performance techniques from the human potential movement, and how the concept of a soldier is changing. The future of the military as a global peace keeping force is explored. Channon envisions a First Earth Battalion and a Natural Guard, to protect the planet in this episode. http://www.potentialsmedia.com/JimChannon.html New Age author, Barbara Marx Hubbard, as she put a fitting conclusion on "The State of the World Forum." In her book, THE BOOK OF CO-CREATION, she writes: "Out of the full spectrum of the human personality, one-fourth is elected to transcend and one-fourth are destructive, defective seeds. In the past they were permitted to die a natural death. Now, as we approach the quantum shift from the creature-human to the co-creative human - the human who is an inheritor of god-like powers - the destructive one-fourth must be eliminated from the social body. Fortunately, you are not responsible for this act. We are. We are in charge of God's selection process for planet Earth. He selects - we destroy. We are the riders of the pale horse, Death." Psychologist Barbara Marx Hubbard - member and futurist/strategist of Task Force Delta; a United States Army think tank. Hubbard is also a former director of the Federal Union, founded by Fabian Socialist Rhodes Scholar Clarence Streit. --- More QUOTES "Our task of creating a socialist America can only succeed when those who would resist us have been totally disarmed." Sara Brady, Chairman, Handgun Control, to Sen. Howard Metzanbaum, "The National Educator," January 1994, Page 3. --- "...This regionalization is in keeping with the Tri-Lateral Plan which calls for a gradual convergence of East and West, ultimately leading toward the goal of "one world government'National sovereignty is no longer a viable concept..." Zbigniew Brzezinski, National Security Advisor to President Jimmy Carter. --- "It is the sacred principles enshrined in the United Nations charter to which the American people will henceforth pledge their allegiance." President George Herbert Walker Bush addressing the General Assembly of the U.N., February 1,1992. --- "...This program is the fixed, determined and approved policy of the government of the United States." Senator Joseph S. Clark speaking on the floor of the Senate, March 1, 1962, about PL 87-297 which calls for the disbanding of all armed forces and the prohibition of their re-establishment in any form whatsoever. --- "First, I want to thank you, not only for saving me from the draft, but..." William Jefferson Clinton in a letter to Colonel Eugene Holmes, Director of ROTC, U.A., December 3, 1969. --- "Let me control a peoples currency and I care not who makes their laws..." Meyer Nathaniel Rothchild in a speech to a gathering of world bankers February 12, 1912. The following year, we subscribed to the "services" of the newly incorporated Federal Reserve, headed by Mr. Rothchild. --- "By the end of this decade (2000 AD) we will live under the first One World Government that has ever existed in the society of nations ... a government with absolute authority to decide the basic issues of human survival. One world government is inevitable." Pope John Paul II quoted by Malachi Martin in the book "The Keys of This Blood." --- "The New World Order is a world that has a supernational authority to regulate world commerce and industry; an international organization that would control the production and consumption of oil; an international currency that would replace the dollar; a World Development Fund that would make funds available to free and Communist nations alike; and an international police force to enforce the edicts of the New World Order." Former West German Chancellor, Willy Brandt, former chairman of the Fifth-Socialist International, who chaired the Brandt Commission in the late 1980s. --- "We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." David Rockefeller --- "But this present window of opportunity, during which a truly peaceful and interdependent world order might be built, will not be open for long. Already there are powerful forces at work that threaten to destroy all of our hopes and efforts to erect an enduring
Re: [CTRL] Barbara Marx Hubbard; NWO/U.S. Army Delta Force consultant
-Caveat Lector- Dear Barbara: "whoever I am" is perhaps something you could have gained some small insight on if you had checked out my website. You may consider that we two are on somewhat equal footing in that particular regard, though- since I know of you only slightly- but am aware of your somewhat celebrated "status". To the best of my knowledge you appear to be one of the "new agers" who is attracted to the NWO's "one world government" -- and the quote and the association to U.S. Army "think-tank" does nothing to dispell that notion. Unless you are a secret undercover agent intent on disrupting the Army and several other governmental-type NWO agencies with which you have been associated.. it looks like you've been recruited. I personally find the idea of a one world government a fascist anathema- practically beyond my power to express. Perhaps you'd like to explain your position efforts in this regard? Some of my cyberfriends are curious about the passage that was quoted, and may be interested in your letter below. In case you haven't yet recieved a copy of KT's expression of interest, it is appended below your letter, at the end of this email. Dave Hartley http://www.Asheville-Computer.com http://www.ioa.com/~davehart -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 1:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: RE: Barbara Marx Hubbard; NWO/U.S. Army Delta Force consultant Dear Dave: whoever you are, this quote is taken completely out of context from a manuscript which has not been published. The passage you refered to referred to the thought that we do not need to go through the Armageddon scenario that was predicted in the book of Revelation. The whole purpose of the Book of Cocreation is to say that the human species has the freedom to avoid the massive destruction predicted. The meaning of that particular passage, which I never published, because I do not believe it at all, came from the possiblity that if there is to be any further massive destruction on this earth, it will not be perpetrated by humans, but by some other force. I personally do not believe this, have not published this, will never published it. My whole life is dedicated to bringing greater peace and gentleness to the human race. This quote has been used by a small minority of people seeking to damage the reputations of many people and I ask you to release it, tear it up. IT is not viable. I totally refute it, and ask you to be kind enough to do the same. With appreciation for your concern, Barbara Marx Hubbard -Original Message- From: Katie Hernandez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 04, 1999 3:02 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Criteria -- Topology vs. Tomography (was RE: Barbara Marx Hubbard) Dave and Ed exchanged quite a bit, I've snipped heavily: Dave forwarded in part: In this episode of POTENTIALS . . . Envisioning the New Millennium, host Barbara Marx Hubbard explores the U.S. Armys Delta Force with one of its key visionary members. They explore how the Army has incorporated high performance techniques from the human potential movement, and how the concept of a soldier is changing. The future of the military as a global peace keeping force is explored. Channon envisions a First Earth Battalion and a Natural Guard, to protect the planet in this episode. http://www.potentialsmedia.com/JimChannon.html I saw something about this on Wired not too long ago, I believe. I was shocked at first that she would be consulting with them, then I remembered who else she associates with (or, more correctly, who claims HER as an associate), and who else they, in turn, associate with, and the story suddenly seemed more plausible. No, I don't know Ms. Hubbard personally, so I'm not claiming to know her mind or intent. I do, however, believe that this bears some light-of-day examination to determine who's telling the truth and who isn't -- and why. If a lightworker is being besmirched, we need to know it. If we have differing definitions for what "light" and "truth" and "the good of mankind" are, we need to know that, too. Commentary (not necessarily directed at anything pertaining to Ms. Hubbard) Jeff challenged us to speak up, to speak our minds, not to retreat into the echoing silence of an endless stream of forwarded emails. I take him up on that challenge. There are those among us who speak beautifully of transformation, evolutionary development, co-creation, new civilizations, new utopias, new world orders, effective and elegant outcomes -- all such lovely, enlightened images, surely we all mean the same wonderful things by them! -- or do we? A while back, when I was very poor, I purchased a package of large, beautiful apples. I was very happy about this, because I usually didn't have enough money to buy the good produce, and I looked forward to having
