Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry
-Caveat Lector- GOAT, this is the first truly *sensible* post on Crowley and the Nazis I've seen in a long time. Crowley as much as admits many, many times that he was a con artist. Indeed, it seems to be part of the essential teaching method of occultism to bury genuine truths in a very large pile of manure, and to then require the student to not simply wade through the manure, but actually to *digest* it to get at the few nuggets of value... The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical, as was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich was named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in 1935, his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism, from Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time, however, the SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered on the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There, Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to raise the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis were not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned occultism, as they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophy). On the occult connections of Nazism, see Nicholas Goodrick-Clark, *The Occult Roots of Nazism* (1992). Forget Pauwels and Bergier and their ilk--they rely on third-hand reports of second-hand analyses of dimly understood conversations, and their conclusions are about as useful as such sources would suggest. Another excellent work on the intellectual basis of Nazism is Peter Viereck, *Metapolitics: The Roots of the Nazi Mind* (1940, 1964)--see esp. the chapter on "Neanderthals in Airplanes." (Remember that the latest evidence suggests that the Neanderthals were cannibals...) -Original Message- From: Das GOAT [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 1999 5:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 99-11-16 18:02:45 EST, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Nevertheless it is extremely difficult to find any author anywhere who will admit to Crowleyás involvement with Hitler, despite the fact that Crowley himself confessed, or more accurately bragged, about it to his associates. Phooey. I still accept as accurate what I was told by author Ellic Howe --trustee of the archives of the Golden Dawn, who scoured the archives of pre-WWII German secret societies looking for magickal connections to Nazism-- when I asked him that $64 million question way back in 1973. No direct connection between Crowley and Hitler -- only flimsy circumstantial links at two or three removes, through the Thule society and the like (as well documented by other historians of the occult). Howe had looked for a connection and never found one, and he was certainly aware of what Crowley may or may not have said to his associates. (Crowley, of course, typically lied like hell about EVERYTHING, and it wouldn't be unusual if he even claimed having TAUGHT Hitler ...) Even as little as any contact between the OTO more broadly and the Fuehrer can't be documented: Unless I'm mistaken, the OTO was one of the occult groups Hitler had in fact persecuted, along with the German Freemasons. Koenig's website can provide the best information on that subject. Some Nazi wannabees in the group, but no smoking gun. On the other hand, Peter Levenda and others indicate that Crowley, in his role as "pro-Nazi" agent provocateur for British Intelligence, certainly WANTED to strut his stuff to impress the Fuehrer. Apparently he only made it as far as one or two men who may had the ear of Hitler to some degree or another -- but who never got him an audience. Only in the small circle of those who (often pathetically) actually looked up to Crowley was The Great Beast taken seriously. His collected works are a wonder of shameless self-promotion, and readers, alas, are too easily conned into accepting at face value and as "real" the hyperbolic PR he concocted about himself and his "magical experiences," when in fact much was deliberate FICTION -- as he himself sometimes admitted with a wink and a cynical smirk. If Aleister Crowley learned anything in the Golden Dawn, it was that "New Agers" were capable of believing almost ANYTHING, so long as it was "glamorous" and offered his audience or subordinates some sense of being "superior," participating in something "grand" -- especially when it gave them license to be "bad." IMHO, the facts of AC's life show only that he had an instinct for exploiting others for his own "lower astral" needs, by the trick of "blinding them with (occult) science," and as time went on, he got progressively cruder
Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/17/99 1:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical, as was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich was named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in 1935, his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism, from Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time, however, the SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered on the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There, Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to raise the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis were not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned occultism, as they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophy). Truly this is the difference in form from Heydrich and Himmler. Himmler "seems" to have been much more inclined towards hedging his bets on occultism and was much more credible in these matters than Heydrich who was a pragmatic materialist (at least so far as we know). It is probably a really good thing that Heydrich was offed and Himmler was the main man because the war would have been worse. Incidentally I don't buy the British offing of Heydrich story, and attribute his death to more of a mystery, perhaps with Himmler behind it or other members of the Nazi party. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry
-Caveat Lector-
Crowley and Freemasonry
In his book "Confessions ..." Crowley claimed that he had been initiated as a
33 Degree Mason in the Ancient and Accepted Rite of Masonry (AAR). He probably
did this in Mexico, where he went after the break-up with the Golden Dawn. At
this time (around 1900) there was a lot of masonic activity in South America.
However, there is some confusion regarding this, as you have to be a Master
Mason to be initiated on the Higher Grades, but by this time Crowley hadn't
gone through the grades required, so either he made it up or was granted the 33
degree without prerequisites necessary. In his own words he received the
initiation after he had helped an individual with another mystical order called
LIL. No one knows for sure what the real truth is.
It looks though, as if he at one point or another DID receieve initiation, as
a copy of his recognition still exists. It's here re-produced:
T. T. G. O. T. S. A. O. T. U.
DEUS MEUMQUE JUS SPES MEA IN DEO EST
( Great Seal )
SUPREME GRAND COUNCIL
OF THE ILLUSTRIOUS PRINCE OF THE ROYAL SECRET
POST PUISSANT SOVEREIGN GRAND INSPECTORS
GENERAL
of the
33rd AND LAST DEGREE ANCIENT AND ACCEPTED RITE OF
MASONRY
H.R.D.M. R.M.S.H.
SITTING IN THE VALLEY OF MANCHESTER
From the East of the SUPREME GRAND COUNCIL of the
SOVEREIGN GRAND INSPECTORS GENERAL of the 33rd and
last degree of the Ancient and Accepted Rite of
Freemasonry in and for Great Britain and Ireland
under G.L. near the D.B. corresponding to 53', 25"
N. Latitude 2', 3" West Meridian of Greenwich.
To all Illustrious, Ineffable and Sublime Freemasons
of every degree Around and [unclear] over the
surface of the Globe, Greetings:
KNOW YE - That the undersigned Sovereign Grand
Inspectors General do hereby certify and proclaim,
our Illustrious Brother ALEISTER CROWLEY of
*London*, to be an Excellent Master Mason, Secret
Master, Royal Master, intimate Secretary, Provost
and Judge, Intendant of the Building, Elect of Nine,
Elect of Fifteen, Sublime Knight Elected, Grand
Master Architect, Ancient Master of the Royal Arch,
Grand Elect Perfect and Sublime Mason, Knight of the
Temple, Prince of Jerusalem, Knight of the East and
West, Knight Rose Croix of Heredom, Grand Pontiff,
Master ad Vitam, Patriarch Noachite, Prince of
Libanus, Chief of the Tabernacle, Prince of the
Tabernacle, Knight of the Brazen Serpent, Prince of
Mercy, Commander of the Temple, Knight of the Sun,
Knight of Saint Andrew, Grand Elect Knight Kadosh,
Grand Inspector Inquisitor Commander, Prince of the
Royal Secret, Most Puissant Sovereign Grand
Inspector General of the 33rd and Last Degree.
WE ALSO COMMAND: All the Knights, Princes and
Sublime Masons under our Jurisdiction and we pray
all other MASONS over the Surface Of The Globe, to
Welcome and Honor Him as a SOVEREIGN GRAND INSPECTOR
GENERAL, and to give credit to these LETTERS PATENT,
we have caused to be signed in the margin by our
said Illustrious Bro. ALEISTER CROWLEY, that they
admit no other than himself.
Signed and Delivered by us SOVEREIGN GRAND
INSPECTORS GENERAL of The 33rd and Last Degree with
the Seal of our said SUPREME COUNCIL affixed in the
Valley of Manchester this 29th day of the 11th month
A.M. 5071 corresponding to the 29th November, A.D.
1910.
RATIFIED AND CONFIRMED
{*} John Yarker 33~
M.^.P.^.S.^.Gr.^.of Gt. Britain Ireland
Though it is beyond doubt that Crowley had connections with Freemasonry, he
didn't seem to have a high opinion of their teachings. He used some of their
techniques in his own order, OTO, later but most of his own grades in that
order was and is quite different from Freemasonry.
The following is taken from his book Confessions once again, page 700 et seq.
regarding his motives of using Freemasonic knowledge within his own order:
``What is Freemasonry? I collated the rituals and their secrets,
much as I had done the religions of the world, with their magical
and mystical bases. As in that case,
Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry
-Caveat Lector- FWIW, I've run across a story about one of the "retreats" at the Wewelsburg called by Himmler for his twelve SS-Gruppenführer (generals), including, of course, Heydrich. (That there were twelve of them was not a coincidence; Himmler deliberately invoked the image of the Knights of the Round Table.) Each man was assigned a room (identified by a medieval knight's heraldic shield, probably drawn from the Arthurian legends), where he was supposed to meditate on the classics of German literature, such as *Das Niebelungenlied* or *Parzival*. And most of them duly, if awkwardly, did just that. Heydrich, however, did not. Defying Himmler's instructions, he had packed a bottle of Schnapps, several packs of cigarettes, and a detective novel, and while his colleagues were contemplating such figures as Siegfried and Klingsor, Heydrich stretched out comfortably with the latest "Krimi." Himmler and Heydrich were merely two sides of the same coin. Himmler believed in the occult, as did many of the Nazi Reichsleiter; Heydrich did not believe in anything except Heydrich, a belief system shared by quite a few of the Nazi elite. When Heydrich banned all occult groups and practices, his objective was to focus the attention of the masses entirely on the person of Adolf Hitler and the institution of the NSDAP. Himmler's seances were *not* public affairs; they were intended to raise supernatural power for the benefit specifically of the SS and particularly its Reichsführer, Heinrich Himmler. Both Himmler and Heydrich were concerned solely with power, however that might manifest itself. That Heydrich was a thoroughgoing cynic (as befitted a Nazi leader who may well have been part Jewish) and Himmler was a complete, even credulous, believer, becomes essentially irrelevant in considering their respective roles in the history of the Third Reich. What matters is the way they exercised their very considerable power, and the way they increased that power by manipulating the structure and the symbols of the Nazi state. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 12:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry -Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/17/99 1:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Nazi attitude toward the occult was contradictory and paradoxical, as was everything associated with the Third Reich. When Reinhard Heydrich was named to head the Sicherheitsdienst (SD, the SS Security Service) in 1935, his first act was to ban every form of popular and elite occultism, from Tarot card readers to the Thule-Gesellschaft. At the same time, however, the SS itself was promulgating its own highly esoteric occultism, centered on the Wewelsburg in Westphalia in the heart of Nibelung country. There, Himmler gathered his generals for meditation and seances, seeking to raise the shades of the heroes of Germany's past... It seems that the Nazis were not so much outlawing superstition and fakery when they banned occultism, as they were eliminating actual or potential rivals (such as Rudolph Steiner's Anthroposophy). Truly this is the difference in form from Heydrich and Himmler. Himmler "seems" to have been much more inclined towards hedging his bets on occultism and was much more credible in these matters than Heydrich who was a pragmatic materialist (at least so far as we know). It is probably a really good thing that Heydrich was offed and Himmler was the main man because the war would have been worse. Incidentally I don't buy the British offing of Heydrich story, and attribute his death to more of a mystery, perhaps with Himmler behind it or other members of the Nazi party. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Crowley Freemasonry
-Caveat Lector- In a message dated 11/18/99 11:58:34 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: FWIW, I've run across a story about one of the "retreats" at the Wewelsburg called by Himmler for his twelve SS-Gruppenführer (generals), including, of course, Heydrich. (That there were twelve of them was not a coincidence; Himmler deliberately invoked the image of the Knights of the Round Table.) Each man was assigned a room (identified by a medieval knight's heraldic shield, probably drawn from the Arthurian legends), where he was supposed to meditate on the classics of German literature, such as *Das Niebelungenlied* or *Parzival*. And most of them duly, if awkwardly, did just that. Heydrich, however, did not. Defying Himmler's instructions, he had packed a bottle of Schnapps, several packs of cigarettes, and a detective novel, and while his colleagues were contemplating such figures as Siegfried and Klingsor, Heydrich stretched out comfortably with the latest "Krimi." Himmler and Heydrich were merely two sides of the same coin. Himmler believed in the occult, as did many of the Nazi Reichsleiter; Heydrich did not believe in anything except Heydrich, a belief system shared by quite a few of the Nazi elite. When Heydrich banned all occult groups and practices, his objective was to focus the attention of the masses entirely on the person of Adolf Hitler and the institution of the NSDAP. Himmler's seances were *not* public affairs; they were intended to raise supernatural power for the benefit specifically of the SS and particularly its Reichsführer, Heinrich Himmler. Both Himmler and Heydrich were concerned solely with power, however that might manifest itself. That Heydrich was a thoroughgoing cynic (as befitted a Nazi leader who may well have been part Jewish) and Himmler was a complete, even credulous, believer, becomes essentially irrelevant in considering their respective roles in the history of the Third Reich. What matters is the way they exercised their very considerable power, and the way they increased that power by manipulating the structure and the symbols of the Nazi state. Thank you. I am familiar with the story you relate about the happenings at Wewelsburg. I believe that Himmler because of his more credible nature lacked the focus that was necessary to do the job that needed to be done. I believe he spread himself too thin. I believe that Heydrich was a much bigger threat because he had his minds eye focussed on the objective always. That is the only point I wished to make, and I certainly agree with the rest of your comments. Credibility for the occult and supernatural in no way make a person "less" evil for his actions or potential harm, neither does it necessarily make that person not intelligent enough to make sharp decisions when necessary. There was most assuredly a difference between the two men. Because of that difference I'm glad it was not Heydrich in charge of the SS later in the war. ** *** "Welcome to the desert of the real." Morpheus, "The Matrix". "The most merciful thing in the world, I think, is the inability of the human mind to correlate all its contents. We live on a placid island of ignorance in the midst of seas of infinity, and it is not meant that we should voyage far. The sciences, each straining in its own direction, have hitherto harmed us little; but someday the piecing together of dissociated knowledge will open up such terrifying vistas of reality, and of our frightful position therein, that we shall either go mad from the revelation or flee from the deadly light into the peace and safety of a new dark age." H.P.Lovecraft; "The Call of Cthulhu" DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
