[CTRL] Peace does not come from the barrel of a gun … power does.
-Caveat Lector- What is desired? Peace is an action. Peace, K www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Peace Center Alerts Risk of New Biotech Weapons
-Caveat Lector- I believe this is called stating the obvious. - JR http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=570u=/nm/20040609/sc_nm/arms_sipri_biotech_dcprinter=1 Peace Center Alerts Risk of New Biotech Weapons Wed Jun 9,11:20 AM ET Add Science - Reuters to My Yahoo! STOCKHOLM (Reuters) - Biotechnology research to alter the genetic make-up of the human body could result in a new class of biological weapons for use by the military or terrorists, warned a leading security research center. Missed Tech Tuesday?LCD TVs may finally have a leg up on plasma displays. Digital projectors can turn a wall into a dream theater. Take a look at the Top 10 LCD monitors for sprucing up your desktop. "Rapid progress in biotechnology could lead to a new class of biological warfare agents that will be engineered to target specific human biological systems," the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute said on Wednesday. Aimed at the cardiovascular, immunological, neurological and gastrointestinal systems, for example, such weapons "open new possibilities for potential future military or terrorist misuse," SIPRI said in its 2004 Yearbook. But such developments are hard to monitor as biotechnology which might be useful in medicine could also have applications in warfare, said SIPRI investigator Richard Guthrie. He gave the example of bioregulators which could be used as a compound to put enemy soldiers on a battlefield to sleep, meaning in theory "you could have a battle without killing anybody, with the soldiers all asleep in their foxholes." "What seems like innocent and beneficial scientific data can pose a very serious threat," said SIPRI director Alyson Bailes, saying scientists must decide if human genetic sequence data should be treated as a common resource, sold to private firms or kept secret because of the security implications. SIPRI researcher Roger Roffey gave examples of scientists using publicly available DNA sequences for research that could have devastating applications -- for example developing more lethal forms of mousepox and cowpox virus with the stated aim of developing "countermeasures against it and to deter terrorists." But while there is hard evidence that groups like al Qaeda have been "sniffing around trying to find out" whether there are any biological weapons that would be within their technological grasp, it is more difficult to ascertain whether they have begun any "active acquisition program," said Guthrie. www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance—not soap-boxing—please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'—with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright frauds—is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=""ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Peace on Earth and Goodwill to All
-Caveat Lector- The best of the season. May the Baby Jesus open your hearts and Santa Claus provide gifts for all under the tree. Blessings, Amen. Peace is an action. Onwards to the Utmost of Futures! Om Kris - Aloha, He'Ping, Om, Shalom, Salaam. Em Hotep, Peace Be, All My Relations. Omnia Bona Bonis, Adieu, Adios, Aloha. Amen. Roads End To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om 2">
[CTRL] Peace
-Caveat Lector- Home » Top Stories » Israeli Families Say Peace is Revenge By Lakshmi Chaudhry, AlterNetOctober 17, 2002 Editor's Note: In 1994, following the abduction and murder of his 19-year-old son Arik by the terrorist group Hamas, Yitzhak Frankenthal founded the Bereaved Families Forum -- an organization of 190 bereaved Israeli parents, Palestinian and Jews, who lost their children during army service or in an act of terrorism. The organization, also referred to as Parent's Circle, promotes peace and coexistence through educating for tolerance and compromise. The group recently set up a free service to encourage Israelis and Palestinians to talk on the telephone. AlterNet: What motivated you to found the Bereaved Families Forum? What do you hope to achieve through this organization and its efforts? Frankenthal: After I lost my son, Arik, I came to understand that he was not murdered because the murderers knew him. He was killed because there is no peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. This is why we are ready to make reconciliation and not ready to go for revenge. And if we can do it -- when we have lost members of our families -- everyone can and needs to do it. Many people respond to grief and loss by seeking vengeance. Why have you chosen reconciliation instead? I am also looking for revenge. Revenge for me is making peace. The murderers killed my son because there is no peace. And I am angry. I am very angry that we are in this terrible situation and people are not ready to listen. People have a lot of hatred, a lot of fear. What they need is to talk to each other. For example, recently we set up a telephone program, where Israelis and Palestinians can call each other. Now, 22,851 people have talked one with the other because of this. That would be 600,000 people in the United States in terms of the percentage of the population here. That is really unbelievable -- the need for Israelis and Palestinians to talk to each other. But how do you address that fear you mention? How do you respond to people on both sides who are afraid -- and for very good reasons? How many more people are we going to lose on both sides before we realize this is not the right way? Palestinians recently lost 25-26 people. The Israeli army says it does not have any choice. The Palestinians say they do not have any other choice but to kill. But the real way to stop it [the killing] is to understand the motivation of those who are doing the killing. Is it harder to make this argument -- that the solution to terrorism is to understand the root causes -- since the 9/11 attacks? What is harder since 9/11 is that there is no differentiation between two types of terrorism. What happened in 9/11 is a kind of ideological terrorism. Bin Laden was against the free world, America, and capitalism. What is going on in the Middle East is because the people are in despair. I can't justify it, but I want to understand the roots of it. What 9/11 did was give a great fig leaf to Sharon -- let him say what you are going through in the United States is the same as what we are facing here. It's a complete bluff. This is about the Occupation. Finish the Occupation, you will finish the killing. How have other Israelis reacted to what you are doing? Some welcome it, some are very angry. But no one does not care. But many people understand what we are doing is because we care. We are Israeli patriots. We have lost members of our family to terrorism. I am an orthodox Jew. No one is doing this for the Palestinians. Patriotism has become a very loaded word these days. You call yourself an Israeli patriot. How do you define your patriotism? This is my notion of patriotism. I have served in the army. My children are serving in the army. You understand? I also believe we need to have a strong IDF (Israeli Defense Forces) in order to maintain the peace. I do not believe in European leaders or even U.S. leaders. It is we who have to defend ourselves. But because I love my people, my community, it doesn't mean I need to do terrible things to the Palestinian people. It is because we are doing terrible things to the Palestinian people that we are in this situation. What about the Palestinians? How have they responded to your organization? With a lot of respect. They are ready to listen, ready to walk together. The reaction to all our efforts has been
[CTRL] Peace Groups
-Caveat Lector- http://www.againstbombing.com/peacegroups.htm A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] PEACE PROJECT JANUARY 2002 SURVEY
-Caveat Lector- PEACE PROJECT JANUARY 2002 SURVEY The Peace Index Project is conducted by the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research at Tel Aviv University, headed by Prof. Ephraim Yaar and Dr. Tamar Hermann and executed by the Tel Aviv University's B. I. Cohen Institute. Results are shown for 28-30 January 2002. The survey details below covers the representative sub-sample of adult Jewish Israelis 1. Do you believe or not believe that in the coming years there will be peace between Israel and the Arabs? Certain there will be peace 4.4% Think there will be peace 14.3% In the middle 9.9% Think there will not be peace 28.8% Certain there will not be peace 39.5% Do not know/no opinion 3.2% 2. In general, do you consider yourself a supporter or opponent of the peace process between Israel and the Arabs? Greatly opposed 7.9% Considerably opposed 6.5% In the middle 10.3% Considerably supportive 30.8% Greatly supportive 43.1% Do not know/no opinion 1.4% 3. What is your opinion on the agreement that was signed in Oslo between Israel and the PLO (Agreement of Principles)? Heavily in favor 10.7% Considerably in favor 15.3% In the middle 20.0% Considerably opposed 14.1% Heavily opposed 32.3% Do not know/no opinion 7.5% 4. Do you believe or not believe that the Oslo Agreement between Israel and the PLO will bring about peace between Israel and the Palestinians in the coming years? Greatly believe 3.8% Considerably believe 7.5 Middle 11.5% Considerably do not believe 20.6% Completely do not believe 50.0% Do not know/no opinion 6.5% 5. What is your position regarding negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority? Heavily in favor 27.0% Considerably in favor 32.1% Considerably opposed 17.1% Heavily opposed 21.2% Do not know/no opinion 2.6% 6. Do you believe or do not believe that negotiations between Israel and the Palestinian Authority will lead in the coming years to peace between Israel and the Palestinians? Greatly believe 8.3% Considerably believe 24.4% Considerably do not believe 26.8% Completely do not believe 37.9% Do not know 2.6 7. Do you believe or not believe that in the coming years there will be peace between Israel and Syria? Certain there will be peace 2.4% Think there will be peace 19.2% In the middle 20.6% Think there will not be peace 28.2% Certain there will not be peace 23.4% Don't know/have no opinion 6.2% 6. What is your position regarding support for a full peace treaty between Israel and Syria in exchange for full withdrawal from the Golan Heights? Greatly in favor 12.5% Considerably in favor 14.1% In the middle 13.1% Considerably opposed 15.5% Greatly opposed 40.3% Do not know/have no opinion 4.6% For all practical purposes, Israel has placed Arafat's headquarters in Ramallah under siege and he cannot move freely in the territories of the Palestinian Authority or go overseas. In your opinion, what is the main purpose of this move? 47.1% To pressure Arafat so that he will carry out real measures to end the terror 33.1% To undermine his authority as head of the Palestinian Authority 13.4 Both to the same extent 06.4% Do not know In your opinion can the siege bring about the realization of one or either of these goal? 15.1% End terror 15.5% Break Arafat's authority 21.2% Both 39.7% Neither 08.5% Do not know How would undermining the authority of Arafat as head of the Palestinian Authority impact terror activity against Israel? Increase 34.8% Decrease 17.5% No charge 39.0% Do not know 8.7% How would undermining Arafat's authority as head of the Palestinian Authority impact the chances of reaching a peace arrangement with between Israel and the Palestinians? Increase 22.3% Decrease 24.1% No change 44.5% Don't know 9.1% Do you support or oppose continuing the policy of taking out [wanted terrorists] by Israeli security forces? Support a lot 44.9% Considerably support 28.1% Considerably oppose 12.0% Oppose a lot 9.8% Don't know 5.2% In terms of Israel's interests, do you support or oppose killing Arafat? Support a lot 11.0% Considerably support 10.4% Considerably oppose 31.1% Oppose a lot 41.2% Don't know 6.4% Do you support or oppose that along with the pressure applied to Arafat and the Palestinian Authority that Israel make efforts, to the extent possible, to make the daily lives of the Palestinian population in the territories easier? Support a lot 33.9% Considerably support 31.1% Considerably oppose 16.1% Oppose a lot 13.9% Don't know 5.0% The papers report from time to time about demeaning attitudes of soldiers and Israeli security people towards Palestinian civilian in the territories, for example intentionally delaying them at checkpoints. In your opinion, do such incidents occur frequently or infrequently? Very frequently 14.4% Considerably frequently 29.7% Considerably infrequently 26.1% Very infrequently 16.8% Don't know 13.0% If and when such incidents occur, in your opinion should the security system treat them with complete seriousness as if they
Re: [CTRL] peace loving palestinian authority
-Caveat Lector- flw wrote: -Caveat Lector- Seems to me that people that are oppressed by a colonial power generally are not in a very peace loving mood. Having one's home smashed by tanks or children crippled by non lethal bullets tends to make one rather angry. Unfortunately the only way you free yourself from an oppressor is to make the oppressor's oppression very painful for the oppressor. Such is the way oppressed peace lovers ultimately find peace. flw Wanna bet??? J2 A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] peace loving palestinian authority
Title: peace loving palestinian authority Al Aqsa claims responsibility for Jerusalem shooting Shooting follows Israeli raid in Nablus January 22, 2002 Posted: 12:06 PM EST (1706 GMT) JERUSALEM (CNN) -- The military arm of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement claimed responsibility for a shooting in central Jerusalem Tuesday that injured more than 40 people. Forty-six people were taken to hospitals, at least six of them suffering from serious wounds, ambulance workers said. The wounds of two people were said to be moderate while another 38 were called lightly hurt. The gunman was killed by police, Jerusalem Police Chief Mikki Levy said. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades identified the gunman as Saeed Ibrihim Ramadan, 24, from a village near Nablus. The brigades said Ramadan's attack was in revenge for the killing of Fatah leader Raed al-Karmi on January 14 and for the deaths of four Hamas activists who were killed in an Israeli raid in the West Bank town of Nablus earlier Tuesday. Karmi gained a spot on Israel's most-wanted list after taking responsibility for the deaths last year of two Tel Aviv restaurant owners who were killed in Tulkarem. Israeli authorities have also accused him of being involved in the deaths of eight other Israelis. The Israel Defense Forces said the Nablus raid targeted an explosives laboratory, and said the people killed were terrorists. The raid prompted a vow by the Islamic fundamentalist group Hamas that it would wage an all out war against Israel. Meanwhile, the IDF said its troops began withdrawing from the West Bank town of Tulkarem; Palestinians disputed that assertion. In Ramallah Tuesday, a Palestinian Authority spokesman blamed the Jerusalem shooting on Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Sharon is responsible for what's happening, said Nabil Abu Redeneh, a spokesman for Arafat. He is responsible for the cycle of killings and escalations. Until the United States is convinced that there should be a political resolution to this conflict, there will be no end to the cycle of violence. But Ra'anan Gissin, a spokesman for Sharon, blamed Arafat. He said it is now clear that the attack today is part of deliberate campaign of Mr. Arafat and PLO to escalate the situation. Tuesday's shooting in Jerusalem and raid in Nablus were the latest developments in a recent upsurge of violence that has seen increased attacks by Palestinian militants against Israeli soldiers and civilians followed by retaliatory strikes by Israel. Political relations between the two sides were further strained by the discovery of a shipload of missiles and other arms that Israel says was destined for the Palestinians. In Nablus, nine people were arrested on top of what the IDF reported as four dead, during what the IDF said was an exchange of fire. The IDF said during its raid that troops found an explosives lab and a large amount of explosives. Palestinian sources disputed the assertion there was a gun battle. The Palestinians called the raid an assassination, saying four people were shot at close range, three as they lay in their beds and one who was taking a shower. Palestinian sources said four of those killed were members of Hamas, an organization known among Palestinians on the West Bank and Gaza Strip for actions such as building schools, hospitals and helping the community in social and religious ways. Its military wing, Izzedine al Quassam, has carried out suicide bombings and other attacks on Israeli civilians. A short time after the raid, Hamas sent a message to several news agencies saying it would wage an all out war against Israel. According to Palestinian security sources the four killed in the Nablus raid were Youssef Surabgi, Nassim Abu al Russ, Jasser Samaro and Karim Mafarjeh. Israeli security sources said two of the dead men -- Jasser Samaro and Nassim Abu al Russ -- were involved in building bombs used in terror attacks in Haifa, at the Sbarro pizzeria in Jerusalem and at the Dolphinarium in Tel Aviv. Israelis say they target terrorists in Tulkarem RESOURCES In-Depth: Mideast Struggle for Peace The seizure of Tulkarem Monday marked the first time the Israeli military has taken control of an entire Palestinian town since the current Palestinian uprising began 16 months ago. The IDF said it successfully completed its mission and is currently stationed around the city, prepared for any eventuality. Lt. Gen. Shaul Moffaz, chief of the IDF general staff, said Israeli troops had arrested 20 terror supporters including four people on Israel's most wanted list. Palestinians said at least four Palestinians were killed and 50 wounded in Tulkarem and Ramallah during Israeli operations Monday. Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said Arafat would not be allowed to travel to a meeting of
[CTRL] Peace Pipe
http://www.therussianissues.com/print/1001281539.html Peace Pipe Evgeny Antonov No matter who comes to power in Afghanistan if the anti-Taliban operation succeeds, the first goal of a new government would be to restore the ruined economy. One of the ways of doing so is the construction of the Central Asian gas pipeline, a promising project that has been in works for almost ten years. The idea to construct a trans-Afghani gas pipeline was born in Ashkhabad in the early 1990s. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, newly independent Turkmenia dreamt of becoming a "gas Kuwait": the country has approximately 2 trillion cubic meters of gas (30% of world deposits). The only problem was the fact that all the existing pipelines ran through Russia's territory. Obviously, Gazprom, the largest exporter of gas in the CIS, was not going to allow Turkmenian gas to be transported to Europe. Therefore, the idea to build a new pipeline emerged. The Argentinean company, Bridas, developed the plan for the pipeline in 1994. The pipeline was to lead to the Pakistani port of Chaman. Islamabad became very interested in the project. The 1300-kilometer pipeline was to transport 1 billion cubic meters of gas a day. There was also a project for building a pipeline to India. China also expressed an interest in the $2 billion project. Afghanistan was at relative peace when the project was being discussed. Turkmenian President Saparmurat Niyazov felt that the U.S. could help to guarantee the construction of the pipeline. He was able to find an American company that became interested in the project: Texan Unocal bought 54% of the consortium, while Bridas was simply dismissed. However, the situation in Afghanistan has changed a great deal. In 1996, the Taliban captured Kabul. Members of the consortium had to negotiate with a new and unpredictable partner. According to Mike Thatcher, a PR director at Unocal, "we have been negotiating with the Taliban and the Northern Alliance. We simply wanted to know when the war in Afghanistan would end and who would finance the project. There was no reply. When the Taliban gave refuge to Osama Bin Laden after he had organized the terrorist acts in Tanzania and Kenya in 1998, we decided to quit the project." There is, however, a different opinion. According to our diplomatic source, "Unocal was not really trying to push the project. The company was simply lying to Ashkhabad. The U.S. is not interested in the Central Asian pipeline. If it is built, Washington will be unable to control the gas market in the region. Unocal was simply an effective tool for preventing this project from being realized." When there is peace in Afghanistan, the idea of the Central Asian gas pipeline is likely to surface again. In a recent interview, the Pakistani ambassador in Moscow, Iftihar Murshed, stated that "the key to solving the Afghani crisis is in economics. The construction of this pipeline could solve some of the economic problems in the region." The only question is whether anyone will be willing to take part in such a risky project. Unocal refuses to do so. According to Thatcher, "we have left the consortium. Our company is a small one; we do not have many resources. As of now, we have a number of projects in Indonesia and China and we would not be able to begin any new ones within the next five years or so." It is also quite unlikely that Bridas will return to the idea. No other company has expressed an interest in the project: the political risks are too high. The Central Asian pipeline that is destined to "pacify" Afghanistan will probably remain a paper project.
Re: [CTRL] peace petition
-Caveat Lector- Dear list, This is fyi. If you feel safe doing this, please cut and paste the part below and send to those that might be interested. Thanks. Sincerely, Neil Dear friends, This is an appeal to the leaders of our country to let sanity prevail. We are all grief-stricken by the appalling, inhuman events of September 11. However, in the terrible aftermath of these events, we must plead with our leaders to remain calm and not rashly attempt to exact swift revenge. This email is intended to serve as a petition to our president and members of Congress. We wish them to know that not all Americans desire swift retribution in the absence of clear evidence of the identities of those responsible for this tragedy. Please copy this email, sign it, and send it on. If you are the 50th person (or multiple of 50) to receive this email, please send a copy of the message to President Bush: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And please contact your Congressional legislators by telephone, letter, and email. We must promptly alert our leaders of this urgent matter. Dear President Bush, We are deeply saddened by the events of September 11. A grievous atrocity has been committed against the people of the United States. We keenly feel the nation's loss, and desire that justice be done. However, we are concerned that hasty assignment of responsibility could lead to actions that might undermine the United States' pursuit of justice. We fear that hasty action could heighten the anti-American sentiment that led to this tragedy. We trust that thorough investigation of these events and cooperation with the international community will lead to lasting, peaceful justice. Sincerely, Your fellow Americans, A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] peace petition
Whis is this that darkens the doorstep of the CTRL with such trash? NO WAY I would sign this. I am more concerned with "no" assignment of responsibility, as the NWO crowd would like to see, than with a "hasty"such assignment, particularysince they appear to haveample proofit was Bin Laden's group. Name a leader who is not "remaining calm". Name a leader who is "rashly attempting to exact swift revenge". What rhetoric, make it sound like our leaders are manic depressives and/or schizos. It shows no faith in them, and I have to wonder why that is. America, love it or leave it. Also, this writer seems fearful of America standing up and exercising teh courage of her convictions (eg, we will not let over 5,000 innocent civilians be murdered, etc.) - fearful that doing so will bring upon us some bad vibes or spirits from other countries. That isCOWARDICE if not lack of integrity. I ask: what more does one need as "clear evidence of the identities of those responsible"? Isn'tAfghanistan's recalcitrance and Pakistan's trembling enough? Alll thoseinterested in"peace", in the Middle East or elsewhere, at most any price, should takecourses in reality. - Original Message - From: Smart News To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] peace petition -Caveat Lector-Dear list,This is fyi. If you feel safe doing this, please cut and paste the part belowand send to those that might be interested. Thanks.Sincerely, NeilDear friends,This is an appeal to the leaders of our country to let sanity prevail.We are all grief-stricken by the appalling, inhuman events ofSeptember 11. However, in the terrible aftermath of these events, wemust plead with our leaders to remain calm and not rashly attempt to exactswift revenge. This email is intended to serve as a petition to ourpresident and members of Congress. We wish them toknow that not all Americans desire swift retribution in the absenceof clear evidence of the identities of those responsible for this tragedy.Please copy this email, sign it, and send it on. If you are the 50thperson (or multiple of 50) to receive this email, please send a copy ofthe message to President Bush: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And pleasecontact your Congressional legislators by telephone, letter, and email.We must promptly alert our leaders of this urgent matter.Dear President Bush,We are deeply saddened by the events of September 11. A grievous atrocityhas been committed against the people of the United States. We keenly feelthe nation's loss, and desire that justice be done.However, we are concerned that hasty assignment of responsibility could leadto actions that might undermine the United States' pursuit of justice. Wefear that hasty action could heighten the anti-American sentiment that ledto this tragedy. We trust that thorough investigation of these events andcooperation with the international community will lead to lasting, peacefuljustice.Sincerely,Your fellow Americans,A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
Re: [CTRL] peace petition
Hey Foxter, what City do you live in? -Original Message-From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of foxterSent: 20 September 2001 04:03To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [CTRL] peace petition Whis is this that darkens the doorstep of the CTRL with such trash? NO WAY I would sign this. I am more concerned with "no" assignment of responsibility, as the NWO crowd would like to see, than with a "hasty"such assignment, particularysince they appear to haveample proofit was Bin Laden's group. Name a leader who is not "remaining calm". Name a leader who is "rashly attempting to exact swift revenge". What rhetoric, make it sound like our leaders are manic depressives and/or schizos. It shows no faith in them, and I have to wonder why that is. America, love it or leave it. Also, this writer seems fearful of America standing up and exercising teh courage of her convictions (eg, we will not let over 5,000 innocent civilians be murdered, etc.) - fearful that doing so will bring upon us some bad vibes or spirits from other countries. That isCOWARDICE if not lack of integrity. I ask: what more does one need as "clear evidence of the identities of those responsible"? Isn'tAfghanistan's recalcitrance and Pakistan's trembling enough? Alll thoseinterested in"peace", in the Middle East or elsewhere, at most any price, should takecourses in reality. - Original Message - From: Smart News To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 19, 2001 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] peace petition -Caveat Lector-Dear list,This is fyi. If you feel safe doing this, please cut and paste the part belowand send to those that might be interested. Thanks.Sincerely, NeilDear friends,This is an appeal to the leaders of our country to let sanity prevail.We are all grief-stricken by the appalling, inhuman events ofSeptember 11. However, in the terrible aftermath of these events, wemust plead with our leaders to remain calm and not rashly attempt to exactswift revenge. This email is intended to serve as a petition to ourpresident and members of Congress. We wish them toknow that not all Americans desire swift retribution in the absenceof clear evidence of the identities of those responsible for this tragedy.Please copy this email, sign it, and send it on. If you are the 50thperson (or multiple of 50) to receive this email, please send a copy ofthe message to President Bush: [EMAIL PROTECTED] And pleasecontact your Congressional legislators by telephone, letter, and email.We must promptly alert our leaders of this urgent matter.Dear President Bush,We are deeply saddened by the events of September 11. A grievous atrocityhas been committed against the people of the United States. We keenly feelthe nation's loss, and desire that justice be done.However, we are concerned that hasty assignment of responsibility could leadto actions that might undermine the United States' pursuit of justice. Wefear that hasty action could heighten the anti-American sentiment that ledto this tragedy. We trust that thorough investigation of these events andcooperation with the international community will lead to lasting, peacefuljustice.Sincerely,Your fellow Americans,A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/ADECLARATION DISCLAIMER==CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandicscreeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These aresordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups withmajor and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought.That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, andalways suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives nocredence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.Archives Available at:http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.htmlA HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of[EMAIL PROTECTED]/Ahttp:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/ATo subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Om
[CTRL] PEACE AND SAFETY
-Caveat Lector- June 8, 2001 Dear Newswatch Magazine Listeners/Readers: The United Nations is meeting July 9-13, 2001 in New York to discuss the final program to disarm private citizens in ALL nations - INCLUDING THE UNITED STATES!!! Of course, this will NOT affect any Communist country because they have been disarmed since they were overthrown. THIS PROGRAM IS DESIGNED FOR THE UNITED STATES AND BRITISH COMMONWEALTH OF NATIONS. We are the enemy of International Communism - Luciferianism - Satanism. This is the final attempt to disarm America, so the Marxist United Nations can send in her peacekeeping forces to occupy us. President John F. Kennedy signed Freedom From War in September 1961 which was State Department Publication 7277. This document called for turning all of our military armaments over to the United Nations in three stages. He also signed Blueprint for the Peace Race in April 1962 which called for foreign troops to patrol the streets of America - specifically Russia in the South, China in the West and Venezuela in the North along with one other country. The United Nations is trying to eliminate the veto power of the Big 5, so the General Assembly can vote on proposals and they become law. If this were to happen and the United States remained inside the UN, we would be outvoted by Communist countries, Muslim countries, and all third and fourth world countries. They would have the firepower and the shear NUMBERS in its army to force America to become openly Socialist/Communist. Every Constitutional Right that we were given in 1789 would be GONE. Venezuela, during the week of May 17, 2001, SIGNED agreements with both Russia and China which included military technical support. WHY? Venezuela must be prepared for the time of their military patrols in the Northern sections of America when the UN occupies us. But that's not all! This anti-American coalition includes India and Iran also. Russia wants to make sure their ally has the capability of cutting off the oil to America when the right time has arrived. Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov signed a military cooperation agreement with Venezuela's Defense Minister, Jose Vicente Rangel. We will begin to see Russian and Chinese military advisors pouring into the country, V.I. Lenin in 1921 laid out the world program to conquer America and the West for world government. He said they would first take Eastern Europe, then the masses of Asia, then surround the United States which would be the last bastion of capitalism. It would fall into their hands. HOW? They have Cuba, Nicaragua, now Venezuela and working on Columbia and Mexico. China now has control of both ends of the Panama Canal. China has nuclear missiles - at least 18 with 10 multiple warheads that could strike 180 U.S. cities. Combine this with Russian nuclear submarines that also carry a payload of warheads off of our East and West coast, and we have the very scenario they wrote about in 1921. Russia and the world Communist leaders have left no stone unturned. They also laid down the Plan in case America did not fall and resistance did occur. They actually started their 1930 Plan that was written down by Dimity Manuilski in 1985-1989. The would PRETEND that Communism had collapsed and was no longer a threat to the West. The treaties that they had agreed to with the U.S. to disarm would be broken while the U.S. DID observe them. They would have electrifying overtures of PEACE that would lull the West to sleep - thinking Communism was NO longer a threat to our security. WHEN WE HAD DISARMED, THEY WOULD SMASH US WITH THEIR CLENCHED FIST!!! When former President/Communist Bill Clinton gave away our secrets to the Communist Chinese, it helped the process of surrounding the U.S. with more advanced nuclear missiles than they had in their supplies. Now President George W. Bush is doing his part in the dismantling of our military as called for in those Kennedy documents from 1961 and 1962. The American people have NO concept as to what is happening to them. The mass news media has filled their minds with PEACE AND SAFETY. That sleepy time will come to a screeching halt before long. We don't know the exact moment, but it will come. WHY DOES IT HAVE TO HAPPEN? God sifted ancient Israel through the nations because of their violation of the Everlasting Covenant that He and Israel entered into. He told king David that He would use foreign nations to punishment for disobedience: If his [king David Israel] children FORSAKE my law, and walk not after my judgments; If they break my statutes, and keep not my commandments; THEN will I visit their transgression WITH THE ROD [of war], and their iniquity WITH STRIPES (Psalm 89: 30-32). This nation will suffer at the hand of the enemy. BUT YOU DO NOT HAVE TO! Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that GREAT SHEPHERD of the sheep, THROUGH THE BLOOD OF THE EVERLASTING COVENANT, Make you perfect [through forgiveness] in
[CTRL] Peace Is Hell
-Caveat Lector- From http://www.independent.co.uk/news/World/Middle_East/2000-10/fisk101000.shtml }}Begin The UN cavalry has arrived, but is it too late to save the peace process? 'The Oslo agreement is dead. That is what this latest Middle East crisis is about' By Robert Fisk 10 October 2000 When the old United Nations donkey comes stumbling into town, you know things are bad. And when Kofi Annan is riding the elderly beast, you know that the world is spinning out of control, that the Americans have thrown up their hands and that even their allies are feeling the ground shaking beneath their feet. Back in 1998, Annan was dispatched to Baghdad to save the peace when American threats against Saddam no longer produced results. When Nato's bombing of Serbia failed to produce a swift surrender last year, the much-maligned UN was asked to pass resolutions that would give Milosevic a face-saving defeat. And now a devastating symbol, if ever there was one, of America's political defeat in the Middle East that ancient quadruped, the UN donkey, is clip- clopping through the very streets of Jerusalem. The symbolism of Mr Annan's arrival in the Middle East yesterday cannot be exaggerated. Remember that it was the United States that was supposed to be running the so-called "peace process", with the Europeans paying for it (providing they didn't interfere in the details), while the Palestinians were supposed to make the necessary "concessions" (ie capitulation) for the "two sides" Israel and "Palestine" to sign their "peace of the brave". Note those quotation marks. For the whole sorry story of the Oslo agreement perhaps the most flawed treaty ever negotiated for the Middle East has to be put in parenthesis, its lies and clichés carefully defined to remind one of reality. For Oslo is dead. That is what this latest Middle East crisis is about. The killings are not endangering the "peace process" as the Americans would have us believe but proof that the "peace process" is already dead. Mr Annan's visit thus symbolises not just the failure of the 1993 Oslo accord. It also reminds the Middle East that the original peace process the one that doesn't need quotation marks was a UN affair: UN Security Council resolution 242 of 1967 to be precise, the very foundation according to then President George Bush and his secretary of state, James Baker of the post-Gulf War Middle East peace. Baker specifically cited 242 when he invited Arab and Israeli leaders to the Madrid summit in 1991. Since then, we with the help of the State Department, Israel and a very large number of journalists have been encouraged to forget what 242 actually said. Its contents are simple. It emphasised "the inadmissability of the acquisition of territory by war and the need to work for a just and lasting peace in which every State in the area can live in security" and demanded the "withdrawal of Israel's armed forces from territories occupied in the recent conflict". It insisted upon the termination of war and "respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area". Now this is pretty strong stuff. Israel, like the Arab states, will be secure within its frontiers, although its forces must withdraw from the land occupied in the 1967 Middle East war: the occupied West Bank, the Gaza strip, Golan and Arab east Jerusalem. Only, of course, that didn't happen. Instead, we got the secretly negotiated Oslo agreement of 1993, which allowed Israel to renegotiate 242: henceforth, Israel would decide from which "territories occupied in the (1967) conflict" it would withdraw and from which occupied territories it would choose not to withdraw. The massive Jewish settlements, built illegally on Arab land, would not be abandoned. The frontiers of occupied Palestinian land would remain in Israeli hands. And so would Arab east Jerusalem, with its Islamic holy sites. Jerusalem would be the "eternal and unified capital" of Israel. The Americans, preposterously claiming to be "honest brokers" in the negotiations between their closest Middle East ally and the forgiven "terrorist" Arafat, went along with Israel's ambitions. And when at last, after the predictable collapse of the Camp David talks in July, Arafat baulked at the "sort of sovereignty" (this imperishable phrase courtesy of US Secretary of State, Madeleine Albright) he might be allowed in Jerusalem, President Clinton appeared on Israeli television to threaten him into submission, warning that the US embassy might be moved from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem if he didn't fall into line, adding that Arafat was to blame for the Camp David débâcle. And now, so great is the sense of political collapse and danger, so impotent the United States, so hopeless the Oslo agreement, that the UN derided by Israel, humiliated and almost bankrupted by the United States' failure to pay its dues, distrusted by almost all the western powers is called
[CTRL] Peace Plan for Big Bucks and War
1956, Israel, in collusion with France and Britain, invaded Egypt and seized Sinai. When Israel refused to withdraw at war's end, President Dwight Eisenhower and Secretary of State John Foster Dulles ordered Israel to vacate Sinai or face cut-off of all US aid and an end to the tax-deductible status of contributions to Israel. Israel vacated Sinai. [above from MER report] So yesterday Barak and Arafat stopped talking; George Bush announced his new VP choice; and, the mighty Concorde went down - pet of English and French and aboard, well usually when I think of the Concorde, I think of the Titanicbig rich, and prelude to war. Mighty White Star Line lost the Gem of the Ocean, such luxury - like the Concorde - and aboard the Titanic a mummy in a golden coffin from Temple of Ay (EYE)not listed in cargo because was in charge of Captaindo not forget the Egyptian Plane Thothmosis that went down..friendly warning? So story was the pilot suicided So today, item from Vanity Fair February 1998do we have defense system anymore? "On the summit of the mountain across from the blackened peak where Cornuke and Williams believed that God descended to give Moses the Ten Commandments, two towers supported by huge bases - the structures are as high as four story buildings - are being erected. Black and rectangular, they already appear to rise straight up from the mountain top ike two colossal tabletsbut this is unintentional; neither Pop art nor parody. The towers are FPS 117 solid sate radar systems each one 30,000 pounds of advanced sensor technology. At a cost of $30 million, Japal al Lawz is being transformed into the US and Saudi planners of the Peace shield air-defense system have designated as Site N-4. The mountain of God has become the location of a vital part of the Saudi war machine..in other words, Site N-4 is both an early warning system against attack and an offensive military weapon. The Saudis could use it to launch an effective, well coordinated first strike against an enemy. If the order were given to fight Israel, the attack on the Jewish state would in part be coordinated from Jabal al Lawz. The mountain of Moses, where according to the Bible, an angry, bellicose God filed the sky with smoke and thunder and vowed the total destructionof Israel's enemies, has been transformed into a sate of the art military facility... ..A group of Israelie air force officers was sent to Fort Rucker in Alabama in the summer of 1996 for "special training"they were being taught to fly AH 64 Apache attack helicopters. The drill was for the pilots to keep their birds hovering at about 100 feet, and then the front seated gunners would let loose wit laser guided Hell Fire Missiles and 30 mm cannons.they were trained to wipe out fixed radar installations such as Site N 4. And if necessary, the Israeli air force is now prepared to attack and destroy Mount Sinai". [Were Egyptians also trained on Apache heliocopters as they returned to Egypt...] So much for all the religious crap. This is no Holy War this is Economic War - the leaders have submitted to pieces of silver - why do governments thrive and people go hungry? All the world is a stage, and we have a bunch of bad actors and actresses, do we not? Why do our defenses decline to a point where Madeline Albright goes to Russia to visit still head of KGB Putin and ask, golly gee Mr. Putin can we build up our defenseslittle dumpy Madeline comes home to report to Clinton. While the Mafia arms the world? How the hell did all these people get into our government. We pay for a President of the United States to provide constitutional services to us and we pay for these services..and the defense of this country is number one. So our President wants to play peacemaker and be glorified as a savior. As laborer in vineyard said, been so busy tending to others people's business, my vineyard has gone to pot - literally and figuratively. We pay our President to provide for the defense of America and for the needs of its people; if he wants to run for UN Secretary fine, then we give them all the schict and boot? Saba Millenium around the corner.nationalism = restore lost boundaries and return to secular eduction. Fiat. A. Saba Dare To Call It Conspiracy A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please
[CTRL] Peace talks force delay of THEL laser tests
Peace talks force delay of THEL laser tests Friday, July 21, 2000 MIDDLE EAST/U.S. | Because of ongoing peace talks between Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, follow-on testing of the Army's new Tactical High Energy Laser [THEL], which is being built for Israel, have been delayed, Defensenews.com reported Friday. A spokeswoman for the Space and Missile Defense Command, Huntsville, Ala., the agency overseeing the joint U.S.-Israeli THEL program, told the news service that "political considerations in the Middle East peace process delayed the THEL tests until further notice." As long as negotiations continue between both leaders, meeting at Camp David, Md., the presidential retreat outside Washington, DC, the Space and Missile Defense Command has determined diplomacy required a delay in testing. The THEL, a ground-based high energy laser system, is designed to help defend Israel's northern border from guerilla attacks with Katyusha rockets. The system costs $250 million. The Army scheduled THEL tests for July 14 and 17, planning to pit the laser weapon against multiple Katyusha rocket launches, Defensenews.com said. The system successfully was tested at White Sands June 6, shooting down a single Katyusha rocket. Reports said THEL is the first operational laser defense weapon. Currently TRW, Inc. is teamed with Boeing and other defense contractors to develop an airborne laser designed to shoot down ICBM's in flight. That system will fit a guidable laser weapon under the nose of a 747-400 cargo-type jet, and will be capable of being aimed at incoming missiles. Also, TRW Space Electronics Group, Redondo Beach, Calif., is the prime U.S. contractor in the THEL program, which began in 1996. White House officials said the tests could be resumed upon completion of the Israeli-Palestinian talks, but other sources say those tests may also be dependent upon what type of peace deal -- if any -- is reached. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Peace demonstrations Utrecht, The Netherlands
=== The Committee for National Solidarity Tolstojeva 34, 11000 Belgrade, YU -Original Message- From: Herman de Tollenaere [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sunday, July 09, 2000 9:07 PM Subject: Peace demonstrations Utrecht, The Netherlands On Saturday 8 July, people gathered near the Central Station in Utrecht, to oppose the military propaganda at the "Megafestatie". The "Megafestatie" is a trade fair/exhibition in the Jaarbeurs hall, aimed at young people. Main exhibitors, besides, eg, MTV, are the Dutch military, aiming to get teenagers into the Dutch army, military police, and Marines. Not many young people want to join the Dutch [professional] armed forces; they have trouble with finding people for vacancies. To counter that, lots of tax money go to expensive propaganda. The slogan of the armed forces is: "[Like] a nanny; but differently." People killed or wounded by Dutch or other NATO armed forces in the Balkans and elsewhere might differ. So, during the whole Megafestatie, until 16 July, visitors will get counter information to the official propaganda. Starting every day at 12 o'clock. In the night of Friday 7 to Saturday 8 July, two activists wanted to tie a banner to a big building crane near the entrance of the Jaarbeurs. The banner challenged the army's claim of being a "peace army." However, police arrested them. Later on Saturday, the demonstrators gathered at Smakkelaarsveld [Central Station side, opposite to Jaarbeurs] for a street rave/march. The leaflet of the organizers, "Onkruit vergaat niet", said the army propaganda stimulated violence, also in foreign countries. "Violence there [by Dutch and coalition armed forces] also does not bring communication between parties in conflicts, but impedes it. We have seen this during the war in Kosovo and elsewhere." Other leaflets passed around told what demonstrators could do if arrested; and on the "humanitarian" 1999 Balkans war, including many deaths like of the fifteen years old Yugoslav schoolgirl and mathematics champion, Sanja Milenkovic. Behind a big banner, opposing militarist propaganda, gathered drummers; people with signs of Crass and other punk rock bands on their clothes; people with T shirts of Rood [Red], youth branch of the Socialist Party, and against the witch hunt against "illegal" immigrants; people with anarchist symbols on. Average age not much over twenty, though there were also some elderly people. The marchers passed the army recruiting center in the inner city of Utrecht [closed for the weekend]. With chalk, people drew slogans on the pavement close to it, like "Stop recruiting child soldiers", and "Stop NATO." The demonstration continued to the police station, where the arrested activists were still being held. The demonstrators made very much noise to enable the people in the cells to hear that outside, there were people in solidarity with them. Standing in front of a worker's house, a mother rocked her toddler to the rhythm of the music of the sound system in the demonstrators' van, as her husband waved to the demonstrators. During the whole march, new people joined, so that at the Jaarbeurs, the end, there were many more people then at the beginning. At the "Megafestatie" entrance, many leaflets were passed to the visitors. Demonstrators juggled with balls, to show a fun alternative to going abroad to shoot people. Next day, Sunday 9 July, demonstrators gathered at the eastern entrance of the Jaarbeurs. Three banners were taped to the Jaarbeurs entrance: "Onkruit vergaat niet" [the organizers]; "Stop military violence"; and "NATO out of the Balkans" [thanks, Utrecht friend, for improving the banner's letters!] Repeatedly, there was street theater: a 'die in' with people being 'killed', falling to the ground, splattered with red 'blood' [paint]. A more realist approximation of real war then the armed forces propaganda inside the hall. As the 'die in' went on, Yvonne shouted through her megaphone: "The Dutch army is not a peace army. The Netherlands is a member of NATO. NATO does not bring peace. NATO kills innocent people!" Some reactions from the audience were reserved. One boy asked: "You say the Dutch army is bad. But how about national defence?" However, he had to concur that the practice of the Dutch army was *not* 'national defence.' In 1945-1949, the Dutch army attacked Indonesia. Indonesians wanted independence from colonialism; they did *not* invade The Netherlands. Later, Dutch Marines ended a strike, broken by deaths, by workers in Curacao [Antilles]. Defense? In 1999, the Dutch Air Force helped bomb Yugoslavia. Defense? Dutch Prime Minister Kok was not even notified by NATO that the war begun, let alone the people in The Netherlands. "No" the questioner had to concede,"that was not really democracy ... or defence." A woman, claiming to be married to a Dutch soldier of the NATO forces in Kosovo, reacted emotionally to the 'die
[CTRL] Peace in Space: Star Wars Test Fail?
See: http://www.exopolitics.com With any luck this could be the point where the tide turns toward the abolition of weapons of mass destruction to a more peaceful use of space. 1) Star Wars Test Failure 2) Text of scientists' anti-missile letter The following is an excerpted statement by Lieutenant General Ronald Kadish, Director, BMDO at the Pentagon's press briefing on Saturday, July 8, 2000 - 1:37 a.m. EDT: "..We launched the interceptor. But we failed to have the kill vehicle separate from the booster second stage. All we know based on telemetry now, and of course we will get more data as time goes on, is that the kill vehicle was waiting for a signal that we had second stage separation. We did not receive that signal. Therefore, the timeline shut down and the kill vehicle did not separate, and therefore, we did not attempt or have any activity in the intercept phase. So we had a failure of the booster kill vehicle separation.." * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Are the Gremlins at Work or Is It the Nature of the Beast? With any luck this could be the point where the tide turns toward the abolition of weapons of mass destruction to a more peaceful use of space. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * "Antimissile System Fails Over Pacific, Pentagon Reports" New York Times Online article By ELAINE SCIOLINO http://www.nytimes.com/library/world/global/070800missile-test.html *** 2.Text of scientists' anti-missile letter The full text of the letter from the Federation of American Scientists to President Clinton urging that the National Missile Defence system be abandoned http://www.news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/monitoring/media_reports/newsid_823 000/823196.stm Dear Mr President: We urge you not to make the decision to deploy an anti-ballistic missile system during the remaining months of your administration. The system would offer little protection and would do grave harm to this nation's core security interests. We and other independent scientists have long argued that anti-ballistic missile systems, particularly those attempting to intercept re-entry vehicles in space, will inevitably lose in an arms race of improvements to offensive missiles. North Korea has taken dramatic steps toward reconciliation with South Korea. Other dangerous states will arise. But what would such a state gain by attacking the United States except its own destruction? While the benefits of the proposed anti-ballistic missile system are dubious, the dangers created by a decision to deploy are clear. Arms race It would be difficult to persuade Russia or China that the United States is wasting tens of billions of dollars on an ineffective missile system against small states that are unlikely to launch a missile attack on the US. The Russians and Chinese must therefore conclude that the presently planned system is a stage in developing a bigger system directed against them. They may respond by restarting an arms race in ballistic missiles and having missiles in a dangerous "launch-on-warning" mode. Even if the next planned test of the proposed anti-ballistic missile system works as planned, any movement toward deployment would be premature, wasteful and dangerous. Respectfully, Dr Hans Bethe On behalf of the Federation of American Scientists July 8, 2000 Post Cassini Flyby News Editor - Jonathan Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] P.O. Box 1999 Wendell Depot, MA 01380 USA July 8, 2000 _ earthradioTV.com - Alternative News Portal for ecology, politics consciousness. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] earthradioTV.com MIRROR SITES: USA http://www.earthradioTV.com/index2.html CZECH http://mujweb.cz/www/ecologynews/ UK http://members.tripod.co.uk/ecologynews/ Canada http://www.ecologynews.com/index2.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy
[CTRL] Peace in Kosovo = Gun Control
-Caveat Lector-
A fuller explanation of the terms for "peace" in Kosovo, as detailed on
MS-NBC today, revealed that NATO (US/Britain) now requires that the Serbian
uniformed army, Serbian "para-military," Serbian police (and technically
even Serbian security guards), and Serbian CIVILIANS that are pro-Milosevic,
give up their guns or be classified as combatants, i.e., violating the
"peace" agreement. Anyone, military OR civilian, is therefore automatically
subject to the rules of war if he or she possesses a firearm.
From what I heard, however, the same terms do NOT apply equally to the
KLA or to Kosovar civilians supporting the KLA.
"Peace" between the Serbs and Kosovars therefore means that the Serbs
are being deprived of their right to self-defense, while the Kosovars (by now
pretty pissed off and chanting "Death to all Serbs!") are being allowed, if
not encouraged, to be fully armed.
And the only others fully armed are the anti-Serb US/British "peacekeepers."
How many of our "hawks" are supporters of "gun control," just ELSEWHERE?
The thought --possibly paranoid-- crossed my mind that these "little
wars" abroad
are only "practice" for a bigger, more dangerous war someday -- the "peace"
that the UN, NATO or other global agency expects to wage in AMERICA, as the
US is more fully "reintegrated" within the global-market framework of the
projected North American Union and finally Western Hemispheric Union, broken
down ("devolved") into smaller territories defined LIKEWISE primarily by
ETHNIC ("cultural") common denominators -- which would make southern
California, parts of the Southwest and Texas MEXICAN territory, and meld the
northern US with Canada (except for the French in Quebec).
(That would explain why the Clinton Administration looked the other way while
the Red Chinese delivered assault weapons to the Zapatistas and to Latino
gangs in East LA.)
So, perhaps the "urban warrior" military exercises that have been
occurring more frequently in this country are NOT "practice" for wars abroad,
as the official story goes (despite years of "practice," the strategies and
technology specific to "urban warfare" are NOT being used in Belgrade, at
least thus far) but actually the reverse -- "little" wars abroad are practice
for the far GREATER challenge of urban warfare HERE AT HOME.
How did that NATO general, "by coincidence" on the scene during the
Columbine High School massacre, feel about "gun control"?
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[CTRL] PEACE-THE REALPOLITIK PROSPECTS BEFORE US
-Caveat Lector- Lasker, G.E. and T. Koizumi, Eds. (1997), Symposium on The Culture of Peace in Cooperation with UNESCO (Baden-Baden), A Publication of the International Institute for Advanced Studies in Systems Research and Cybernetics, Conference Proceedings. PEACE-THE REALPOLITIK PROSPECTS BEFORE US Robert John International Council on Human Ecology and Ethnology New York, NY. U.S.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Abstract The power and policy of the U.S.A. seem directed toward moving the peoples and nations of the world into an American Union, a European Union, and an Asian Union, and merging these into a World Union of central authority with military power. Yet specific limitation of central power, and retention of optimal power by an informed electorate, were part of the concept of the Founders of the U.S.A., as was the principle of benign neutrality and non-interference in the affairs of other states. Ethno-national cultures can evolve and conflict reduced by boundaries that allow for common mobilization for defense of interests. National boundaries and self-rule are checks upon exploitative trans-national agencies or corporations. Regional confederations with minimal explicit powers should deal with regional concerns, all subject to the ballot of individual voters. Keywords Peace, confederation, imperium, foreign intervention, nationalism. Prospects are future probabilities based on present indications. With Peace and Liberty, the probability of making the best choice among possible systems is increased by considering present data, noting indications, and adding retrospective, historical data. Of the Pax Americana-Caveat Emptor-Let the Buyer Beware! Centralization of Power-Imperium The world is under a growing imperium (definition: command not subject to definition or limitation of function; absolute command) with unassailable American military power. From Japan and Okinawa, and the Northern Marianas in the western Pacific, through the Indian Ocean, the Middle East, Europe, to the Americas and Alaska, its armed forces with fleets of warships and warplanes patrol seas and skies, and its spy satellites look everywhere. Every day of the year its Pentagon spends $67.4 million ($24,600,000,000 for 1997) to prepare to fight a nuclear war. The U.S.A. is armed-and dangerous. "We don't want to engage in a fair fight, a contemporary war of attrition," said Defense Secretary William S. Cohen. "We want to dominate across the full spectrum of conflict, so that if ever we have to fight, we will win on our terms" (Ap. 28, 1997). The direction in which we are being moved for the 21st century, is toward centralization of power. Peace, Democracy, and free enterprise are slogans used to sell acceptance of a loss of liberty to control our futures. NATO and the European Union, and their extension eastward, represent European aggregation of power under American patronage. European military dependence is assured through NATO command and American weapons requiring U.S. spare parts. Political and economic control may be maintained through the banking system. Ignoring the object of lesson of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York, that-by credit control can influence elections, the European Union is moved by the United States example and German war-guilt syndrome, towards central banking and a single currency which, ironically, might have eventually occurred had that war ended with a German victory! Planned interdependence equals loss of independence. Headquartered in Brussels, the European Union bureaucrats draw large salaries for fixing the size of labels on wine bottles or the identity of a Euro-sausage, but the centralization of power is the real issue. And that centralization, in sequence, facilitates the move toward global centralization of power. American political pressures push the European Union to include Turkey, and then to be extended by 2010 with a free trade zone to include the states of North Africa and the eastern Mediterranean, with future union. In the western hemisphere, the process is the incremental extension of free trade zones to the whole continent, to be followed by the dissolution of frontiers and the setting up on an American Union. In Asia, there is the strengthening of SEAC, and similar objectives, to form a Pacific Union. All these are being designed to include United States participation, including a military element. The economic elements (e.g. World Trade Organization) and military forces of former states and areas, seem directed toward a master scheme pushed by a power oligarchy, that sets "fast tracks" for enabling legislation. It is not a global convergence of national economic interests or electorates demanding 'interdependence' that are the driving force, but a power oligarchy or imperium. Such a "fast-track" nearly had the European Maastricht Treaty ratified before the European electorate became aware of its implications. How do these policies
[CTRL] 'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN LOUISIANA - 5000 Army, Navy, Marines AND
-Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:487657"'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN LOUISIANA - 5000 Army, Navy, Marines AND /A - Subject: 'PEACE ENFORCEMENT' EXERCISE IN LOUISIANA - 5000 Army, Navy, Marines AND From: Koleshak [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Feb 11, 1999 6:05 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990211_xex_another_mili.shtml WorldNetDaily article: Another military operation in Louisiana 5,000 troops conduct realistic maneuvers around Fort Polk By David M. Bresnahan © 1999 WorldNetDaily.com The long internal struggle in the island country of Cortina has resulted in two new republics, Cortina and Acadia. A multi-national force has been called in to establish peace. That's the made up scenario for a massive military training exercise now taking place over a 200 mile radius of Fort Polk, Louisiana. It will conclude Feb. 17, according to a public affairs spokesman. Over 5,000 strong, forces from the Army, Navy, Marines, and foreign military united to take part in the training exercise which began on Feb. 6. The peace enforcement training is being conducted by the Joint Readiness Training Center. The scenario involves troops acting as hostile forces who will not give up the fight that has been waged in the fictitious nation. The troops will be involved in separating the remaining factions, ending the fighting, and creating a "zone of separation" between the warring parties. They will also be involved in negotiations with non-governmental and international organizations to bring peace to the region. Challenges will be thrown at the trainees by hundreds of role players who will depict refugees, prisoners of war, local citizens, and a variety of civilians who need to be handled properly. The role players include actual representatives from many international and non-governmental organizations who will participate. Participants in the exercise will be located at various positions within a 200-mile radius of Fort Polk, according to an official release. Warnings to hunters in the area have been issued, and a special complaint phone line has been set up to deal with civilian concerns. The "warring factions" will be made up of the 1st Battalion, 509th Parachute Infantry Regiment, opposing troops from the 2nd Armored Cavalry Regiment. The primary forces being trained come from the 3rd Brigade, 25th Infantry Division from Hawaii. They will receive support from Company C, 1st Battalion, 8th Infantry from Ft. Carson, Colorado; 3rd Battalion, 1st Special Forces Group, Ft. Lewis, Washington; the 159th Corps Support Group, a reserve unit from Helena, Montana; along with Air Force units from North Carolina, Texas, Washington, Massachusetts, and California. The exercises are said to be a general purpose training exercise with no particular purpose or future mission in mind. Much of Fort Polk has been closed to the public during the exercise, primarily for safety concerns because live ammunition will be in use. The Joint Readiness Training Center has not conducted an exercise of this scale since August 1994, when a similar peace training exercise was held. Military spokesmen claim this exercise is not connected to the Operation Last Dance exercise currently taking place in parts of nearby Texas. "I live about 15 miles away from Fort Polk," Cynthia Lyles told WorldNetDaily. "This sounds like martial law training to me, in the name of peace, involving reserve units and special forces." Military spokesmen insisted the
[CTRL] Peace on Earth?
from: -Original Message- From: roundtable [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, December 18, 1998 9:45 AM Subject: Peace on Earth? Yesterday the House Voted Support For US Troops Attacking Iraq. Council on Foreign Relations member Richard Gephardt, House Democratic leader said, "We must send a strong message, the strongest possible message, to Saddam Hussein that domestic politics will never, ever affect our resolve" This summer Council on Foreign Relations member Gephardt told an American Television audience that the day was soon coming that the United States would have to become part of an international regime. Council on Foreign Relations member outgoing House Speaker Republican Newt Gingrich said, "No matter what our debates at home, we are as a nation prepared to lead the world," I rise to say today to Saddam the United States can both govern itself and lead the world simultaneously." The resolution passed 417 to 5. Council on Foreign Relations member William Clinton and his fellow CFR members planned and carried out the Iraq attack to coincide with the Holiday season. America's Council on Foreign Relations, Britain's Royal Institute of International Affairs, and their branch organizations in other nations don't want Peace on Earth, they want a state of perpetual warfare to maximize profits from media, medicine, munition, energy, and food industries directed by members of the Council on Foreign Relations and their branch organizations in other nations. American's are being fed pap. We are told that "our" government is taking into consideration Iraq's religious observance. Why isn't "our" government taking into consideration America's religious observance? Why are we sending American troops to kill and be killed at a time when they should be home with their families observing their own religious beliefs? We are told that the Iraq attack is necessary to protect America's "national security interests." Isn't the threat to our "national security interests" much greater than just Iraq? Aren't China, Pakistan, and North Korea, a part of the same threat? If President Clinton is so concerned about the development of weapons of mass destruction why did he sell Communist China key military technology? Shouldn't the "threat" be debated in Congress, and clearly defined? Shouldn't alternate solutions to the "threat" be discussed and placed before the American people, so they understand exactly what the "threat" is and what options are available? If military action is necessary, shouldn't such action be debated and voted on by congress? Has Iraq attacked America? What National Emergency allowed Clinton to Declare War on Iraq without the consent of congress? The war powers clause of the United States Constitution, Article I, Section 8, expressly requires authorization by Congress before the President can engage in acts of war, unless there is a direct attack upon the United States. Clinton violated the War Powers Resolution of 1973 that was enacted by Congress over President Nixon's veto to prevent a repetition of the Vietnam War scenario, where Americans were misled by repeated presidential lies, misrepresentations, deceits and falsehoods. If the House really wanted to support American Troops they would vote to bring them home and add an Amendment to the Articles of Impeachment to the effect that Clinton should be impeached for violating the War Powers Clause of the Constitution and the War Powers Resolution of 1973 and is therefore in violation of his constitutional oath required by Article II, Section 1 to faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States and, to the best of his ability, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. If the House really wanted to support American Troops it would add an Article of Impeachment, that the role of other Council on Foreign Relations members in President Clinton's administration in aiding and abetting the President in violating his constitutional oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States, be investigated. The Reuters's article that follows has been updated to identify Council on Foreign Relations members mentioned in the story: WASHINGTON (Reuters 12/17/98) - The U.S. House of Representatives Thursday briefly set aside its deep partisan divisions over [Council on Foreign Relations member ] President Clinton's impeachment to approve a resolution of unequivocal support for U.S. troops carrying out attacks on Iraq. "We must send a strong message, the strongest possible message, to Saddam Hussein that domestic politics will never, ever affect our resolve," [Council on Foreign Relations member ] House Democratic Leader Richard Gephardt of Missouri said. The resolution passed on a vote of 417 to 5. As the House was praising the courage of U.S. troops and voicing support for the removal of Iraqi President Saddam Hussein,
