Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I have no problem. You are the one who has cast aspirations on Thomas Edison, a great benefactor of humanity, and have failed to provide the means for others on this list to verify that your charges have merit. It is you who have the problem. I am sure that you have done your reputation on this list no great service. Howard Davis here's a clue; read nearly anything on tesla and you will get a picture of what i am referring to. my reputation? tell that to someone who cares. my reputation fares fine in my relationships. what you think of me matters not in the least, irregardless of whether you know that fact or not. you are very interesting to me, but i don't have the time now chris DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- System: DC and AC are completely different systems.AC is not and improvement, it is in fact a radical departure.This is one of the reason why Tesla received such resistance. And let's be honest, Tesla did not have a monopoly on arrogance. In every degree, great men of science stand on the shoulders of other great men who proceed before them.In Tesla's case, it was Faraday's work which proved that in showing that a magnet could induce electricity, Tesla's contribution to the scheme was that he induced electricity by a rotating magnetic field. There is but a third way to distribute electircity: reciporical current. About the only thing that can be conljectured by the fact that we are AC based is that power is regionally monoplised, thus energy is monetized according to the distance it takes to distribute it.This created a monopoly. Edison along with Westinghouse, and JP Morgan where among the first electrical energy monoplist. Your, Howard, erroneous conjecture about there would no atomic energy smacks a foul because saying so would be like saying there would be no advance in energy creation and distribution. There are many advances in energy distribution and creation, however due to the monoplist nature of the energy business, most of theses innovations are indeed suppressed. Your thoughts on Edsion are accurate in so far as his acheivements. Edison was a consummmate tickerer, with little formal scienticfic training, however as expressed by many biographers, he had a knack for identifying great and talented minds. He just could not be outshown. Intellectual hubris being a mighty thing. Jeffrey C Hearon Founder CEO SCIO-LTD http://www.scio-ltd.net http://www.scio-ltd.com http://www.scio-ltd.org +1.917.553.7217 +1.800.724.6644 PIN 221777 - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 2:39 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference -Caveat Lector- In inventing there is such a thing as a basic patent. That is, a patent which describes an invention which is basic and all others are improvements. When I said the following in reference to Edison: "He did, however, invent the light bulb and the basic system which provided electricity to this country (with the exception of Tesla's contribution of AC generator/motor)", I was referring to the basic system. (And, you will note that I mentioned Tesla's AC contribution). How that basic system is defined is where we differ. Previous to Edison's invention of the light bulb and the basic system to power it, there was no electricity being produced and delivered to homes and businesses anywhere in the world. To make his electric bulb practical for general use, Edison had to develop generators of greater capacity than had previously been available, wiring systems for transporting the electricity, metering systems, fuses for protection, receptacles, home wiring systems, etc. This was not a trivial undertaking. Long before Tesla introduced his AC system, Edison had wired up many cities in this country and in Europe (in fact, I believe Tesla worked in Europe for one of Edison's associates before he came to the US). It was this system that I refer to when I say that Edison invented the basic system which we now use. Regardless of whether or not Tesla or anyone else would have invented the AC generator/motor, this system would have continued and been improved even without AC. AC proved to be an improvement and was adopted for that reason. I never said otherwise. Edison tried unsuccessfully to keep the system DC based, but lost. As I have stated previously, the adoption of AC as standard was not without negative consequences. If DC had remained as the standard we would have smaller local power plants, no grid, no Atomic power plants, and we would not be as worried about Y2K. The relative size of cities would be different: our largest cities would be near hydro-electric power plants, etc. The cost of electricity, however, might be higher because of the lack of long distance efficiency in transporting it. However, it might be that there would be more competition and thus more efficiencies. Also, solar power and battery storage would be more practical because one would not need to change the DC produced through solar into AC for use (there is a loss in doing this). In fact, solar and wind would probably have been developed to a far greater extent for use in rural areas. Howard Davis Jeff Hearon wrote: -Caveat Lector- Again, I clear this up hopefully for the last time. Tesla was totally responsible for the polyphase AC dynamo, which is the basis for our eletrical power grid system.Edsion was a DC proponent, (why in the hell do you think he had such trouble with various
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Little Nicky Tesla was born in Smijlan, Croatia way back in 1856. Lucky for him. It meant he wasn't born to be ethnically cleansed from his home town by Croatian fascist paramilitaries. Life IS a crapshoot, is it not? Get born in one year, you live long and prosper. Get born in another and die in a camp. Then there's place. Get born one place , you die getting bombed from the air. But get born in another place and you die getting bombed from a truck. Either way, it's terrorism. These lines on a map are a curse. Damn nationalism. It's a butcher of babies. When will we learn to leave it behind? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- He did, however, invent They way I heard it he hired a staff, they did the inventing, and he took the credit. If so, he invented the modern research paradigm, a monumental feat in and of itself. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Thomas Edison was not a homosexual. And if he was, so what? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Again, I clear this up hopefully for the last time. Tesla was totally responsible for the polyphase AC dynamo, which is the basis for our eletrical power grid system.Edsion was a DC proponent, (why in the hell do you think he had such trouble with various filaments for the incadescent light bulb, Dah!!! DC will burn it out twice as fast.), GE was started using infringed technology from Tesla/Weshinghouse. Read your history.He was not as Howard Davis would have you believe responsible for the basic system which provided electricity to this country, there were at least six other prominant men engaged in this endeavor, including but not limited to Eli Houston, George Westinghouse. Jeffrey C Hearon Founder CEO SCIO-LTD http://www.scio-ltd.net http://www.scio-ltd.com http://www.scio-ltd.org +1.917.553.7217 +1.888.229.6788 - Original Message - From: Howard R. Davis III [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 1999 1:54 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference -Caveat Lector- Colleen Jones wrote: -Caveat Lector- I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric chair. This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well, from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a homosexual. Colleen Thomas Edison was not a homosexual. He did, however, invent the light bulb and the basic system which provided electricity to this country (with the exception of Tesla's contribution of AC generator/motor), the phonograph, many improvements in telegraphy and telephones, many improvements in motion pictures, and many lesser inventions which have benefited us all (most of the lesser inventions being more useful than most other inventors major accomplishments). Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substance-not soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote that aint the half of it, i read a couple of accounts a few years back that are accounts of his being a thief and a scammer who cheated more than only tesla out of their rightful dues for the sake of a couple of dollars. he screwed tesla well and a lot of other inventors at the time. he used his money like a club and a lot of people suffered because of him. you want references? read a book. That's a reference? You make accusations against a man of far greater value to society than yourself and this is the kind of proof you offer? Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- He did, however, invent They way I heard it he hired a staff, they did the inventing, and he took the credit. If so, he invented the modern research paradigm, a monumental feat in and of itself. People who think that Edison hired a bunch of people and then sat back and got all the credit haven't dealt with inventors. I have known dozens and have invented things myself. Most inventors have dozens of projects which they need help in creating. They come up with the basic idea, but realize that there are technical problems which need to be solved. In Edison's case, there were many experiments that needed to be done. Doing those experiments is not inventing, deciding what experiments need to be done is the crucial part of inventing. Edison is known to have done that. Certainly if you go to the story of how he invented the phonograph you would understand better that he was the sole inventor. Yes, he did bring a sketch to Bachelor and asked him to make it. And Baetchlor probably made some refinements based upon what Edison was trying to do. But it was purely Edison'ss idea and even he was surprised when it worked the first time. No doubt, that there were some claims on his patents that should have been attributed to others. However, I don't think that Edison was humble enough to work on others inventions. And that is what you and others are suggesting. Inventors don't work for money or publicity as most of you seem to think. They are useful, but inventors see problems and want to find solutions to them. Edison was an inventor. You can read his history and see that there were many inventions that he developed long before he hired helpers. He saw problems and he tried to solve them. Many of those solutions are still benefittingg us today. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: That's a reference? You make accusations against a man of far greater value to society than yourself and this is the kind of proof you offer? Howard Davis i thought that nail was in but look here; nature has made a better idiot. the information is there, if you had any intention of checking my sources you would find it. since you have no intention of checking anyway; don't bother me that inanity you have become so fond of. do me a favor and pop yourself and think of me while you do it. chris (damn, did i see him coming or what)shhhsh DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- In inventing there is such a thing as a basic patent. That is, a patent which describes an invention which is basic and all others are improvements. When I said the following in reference to Edison: "He did, however, invent the light bulb and the basic system which provided electricity to this country (with the exception of Tesla's contribution of AC generator/motor)", I was referring to the basic system. (And, you will note that I mentioned Tesla's AC contribution). How that basic system is defined is where we differ. Previous to Edison's invention of the light bulb and the basic system to power it, there was no electricity being produced and delivered to homes and businesses anywhere in the world. To make his electric bulb practical for general use, Edison had to develop generators of greater capacity than had previously been available, wiring systems for transporting the electricity, metering systems, fuses for protection, receptacles, home wiring systems, etc. This was not a trivial undertaking. Long before Tesla introduced his AC system, Edison had wired up many cities in this country and in Europe (in fact, I believe Tesla worked in Europe for one of Edison's associates before he came to the US). It was this system that I refer to when I say that Edison invented the basic system which we now use. Regardless of whether or not Tesla or anyone else would have invented the AC generator/motor, this system would have continued and been improved even without AC. AC proved to be an improvement and was adopted for that reason. I never said otherwise. Edison tried unsuccessfully to keep the system DC based, but lost. As I have stated previously, the adoption of AC as standard was not without negative consequences. If DC had remained as the standard we would have smaller local power plants, no grid, no Atomic power plants, and we would not be as worried about Y2K. The relative size of cities would be different: our largest cities would be near hydro-electric power plants, etc. The cost of electricity, however, might be higher because of the lack of long distance efficiency in transporting it. However, it might be that there would be more competition and thus more efficiencies. Also, solar power and battery storage would be more practical because one would not need to change the DC produced through solar into AC for use (there is a loss in doing this). In fact, solar and wind would probably have been developed to a far greater extent for use in rural areas. Howard Davis Jeff Hearon wrote: -Caveat Lector- Again, I clear this up hopefully for the last time. Tesla was totally responsible for the polyphase AC dynamo, which is the basis for our eletrical power grid system.Edsion was a DC proponent, (why in the hell do you think he had such trouble with various filaments for the incandescent light bulb, Dah!!! DC will burn it out twice as fast.), GE was started using infringed technology from Tesla/Weshinghouse. Read your history.He was not as Howard Davis would have you believe responsible for the basic system which provided electricity to this country, there were at least six other prominant men engaged in this endeavor, including but not limited to Eli Houston, George Westinghouse. snip Thomas Edison was not a homosexual. He did, however, invent the light bulb and the basic system which provided electricity to this country (with the exception of Tesla's contribution of AC generator/motor), the phonograph, many improvements in telegraphy and telephones, many improvements in motion pictures, and many lesser inventions which have benefited us all (most of the lesser inventions being more useful than most other inventors major accomplishments). Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- E Mael wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: The only thing I can understand out of the gibberish above is that you expect me and the others on this list to accept your charges against Edison without any verification and if we desire to verify these charges we are expected to search through the millions of books and writings available to find the source and verify its believability. Would not someone who had a source for such charges produced it? Howard Davis anyone with a modicum of whatever, would know how to access exactly that data. e-mail me privately and so i can tell you exactly where to go. is that gibberish enough for you. quit bothering me. i have forgotten more than you will ever know and i have better things to do with my time than deal with your problem. remember, think of me. smilin' chris I have no problem. You are the one who has cast aspirations on Thomas Edison, a great benefactor of humanity, and have failed to provide the means for others on this list to verify that your charges have merit. It is you who have the problem. I am sure that you have done your reputation on this list no great service. Howard Davis DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse, who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation. and: Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse Chair no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current) as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous" than DC. Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from. Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the customer and therefore more commercially successful. So Edison tried to get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms, to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than south-bound roads)... Andrew __ The information in this email is confidential and may also be legally privileged. It is intended for the addressee only. Access to this email by anyone else is unauthorised. It is not to be relied upon by any person other than the addressee except with our prior written approval. If no such approval is given, we will not accept any liability (in negligence or otherwise) arising from any third party acting, or refraining from acting, on such information. Unauthorised recipients are required to maintain confidentiality. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately, destroy any copies and delete it from your computer system. Copyright in this email and any document created by us will be and remain vested in us and will not be transferred to you. We assert the right to be identified as the author of and to object to any misuses of the contents of this email or such documents. A list of the partners of Hammond Suddards and details about the firm can be inspected at www.hammondsuddards.co.uk __ DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Well I should have read more on Tesla; I just accepted the one page report because I was looking for the MONSTERS who were tampering with the weather causing one disaster after anotherand just like the war in Serbia, Gore appears with "humanitarian" needs to rebuild.. I can see the picture now; his genius being used for evil purposes.imagine if we had a man like Tesla today; no wonder they feared his genius. Anytime the oil companies get their hands on something, well even a few assassinations can be tracked to their doors through their vicious propaganda machines. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] A Yugoslav who made a difference
-Caveat Lector- Author, William R. Lynn, in his book, "Space Aliens from the Pentagon" (Creatopia Productions, Lamy, NM, 87540, $17.95, 505-466-3022 ) makes a compelling case that Tesla was the original inventor behind a _workable_ propulsion system for a UFO, that was known about and actually pilfered by the German rocket scientists, Just as interesting is the appendix on Britt-Papp technology. Fascinating stuff, that. Has anybody out there actually built a Britt-Papp motor? How does it behave under load? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- "Dennis, Andrew" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- Had Edision had his way, we would have been on the DC system with step-up generators every 5-6 miles, throughout the country. Thank God for the vision of George Westinghouse, who fully supported Tesla and his 60 cycle AC power generation. and: Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse Chair no, Edison invented the electric chair (which uses alternating current) as a method of execution to demonstrate that AC was "far more dangerous" than DC. Y'see, because Tesla had the patents for the induction motors and generators you need to make cheap AC, Edison couldn't get his snout in the trough that Westinghouse (Tesla's employer) was gobbling from. Because AC is cheaper to produce and distribute, it was cheaper to the customer and therefore more commercially successful. So Edison tried to get it banned on safety grounds (broadly equivalent, in logical terms, to getting north-bound roads banned as inherently less safe than south-bound roads)... Andrew Edison's image as "the Great Inventor" was carefully manufactured--by himself. As far as I can tell, the man never actually invented anything himself except maybe the lightbulb. Everything else he stole from his assistants, with absolutely no attribution or remuneration. Just goes to show...if you keep pulling the wool over people's eyes long enough, eventually they come to think the world actually *looks* that way. Bob = Robert F. Tatman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remove "nospam" from the address to reply. NOTICE: In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, this material is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml POSTING THIS MESSAGE TO THE INTERNET DOES NOT IMPLY PERMISSION TO SEND UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL (SPAM) TO THIS OR ANY OTHER INTERNET ADDRESS. RECEIPT OF SPAM WILL RESULT IN IMMEDIATE NOTIFICATION OF THE SENDER'S ISP. Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But Edison had too much money invested in his DC system, so Tommy did his best to discredit Tesla around every turn. Edison constantly tried to show that AC electricity was far more dangerous than his DC power. Tesla counteracted by staging his own marketing campaign. At the 1893 World Exposition in Chicago (attended by 21 million people), he demonstrated how safe AC electricity was by passing high frequency AC power through his body to power light bulbs. He then was able to shoot large lightning bolts from his Tesla coils to the crowd without harm. Nice trick! Yes, and not exactly honest. He was using high frequency, low amperage. Not exactly what you would find in a home. http://home.nycap.rr.com/useless/tesla/tesla.html Here's a task for you to try: Go check your encyclopedia to find the answers to the following questions: (answers are given in parentheses) 1) Who invented the radio? (Marconi) 2) Who discovered X-rays? (Roentgen) 3) Who invented the vacuum tube amplifier? (de Forest) In fact, while you're at it, check to see who discovered the fluorescent bulb, neon lights, speedometer, the automobile ignition system, and the basics behind radar, electron microscope, and the microwave oven. Chances are that you will see little mention of a guy named Nikola Tesla, the most famous scientist in the world at the turn of the century. In fact, few people today have ever heard of the guy. Good old Tommy Edison made sure of that. * Tesla worked in all these areas, it is true. However, he never developed a commercial fluorescent bulb. Money for this was invested by John Jacob Astor, but instead of using it for that purpose Tesla built his lab in Colorado Springs. He did design a speedometer, but I believe that it operated differently than those we now use. The ignition system? That was around before him. What was it that differed from those previously available? Electron microscope and microwave oven? He had patents on these? I never heard of them. Have you seen them? After all, Tesla was considered an eccentric who talked of death rays that could destroy 10,000 airplanes at a distance of 250 miles, claimed to be able split the Earth in two, believed that both voice and image could be transmitted through the air (in the late 1800's), and essentially told Edison to take his DC electrical system and stick it you know where. In other words, anyone that has even heard of Tesla probably considers him to be a first class wacko. * No, most people who have heard of him seem to think that he was the greatest genius of all time. They completely fail to see that most of his problems were caused by his own dishonesty and arrogance. I know, I used to think in the same way. But, the times are a changin'. The problem is that Tesla probably could do all these things that he claimed were possible. * Maybe, maybe not. He made great claims for his pump, but he was not able to develop it, though he did have support. People are still trying unsuccessfully to reach the efficiencies he claimed for it. In fact, Tesla invented every single one of the items listed above (but gets no credit) and much more. Look around you and chances are Tesla is somehow responsible for most of the things that make modern life so modern. He does not get credit because except for the AC generator and motor, he did not develop them to a point where they were commercially viable. No doubt about it, Nikola Tesla is the greatest mind since da Vinci. So who is this genius? Little Nicky Tesla was born in Smijlan, Croatia way back in 1856. He had an extraordinary memory and spoke six languages. He spent four years at the Polytechnic Institute at Gratz studying math, physics, and mechanics. What made Tesla great, however, was his amazing understanding of electricity. Remember that this was a time when electricity was still in its infancy. The lightbulb hadn't even been invented yet. When Tesla first came to the United States in 1884, he worked for Thomas Edison. Edison had just patented the lightbulb, so he needed a system to distribute electricity. Edison had all sorts of problems with his DC system of electricity. He promised Tesla big bucks in bonuses if he could get the bugs out of the system. Tesla ended up saving Edison over $100,000 (millions of $$$ by today's standards), but Edison refused to live up to his end of the bargain. *** This story may or may not be true. No one else verified it. Why did Tesla not get this agreement in writing? Was his understanding of what Edison agreed to insufficient, etc? And, as far as following agreements, Tesla did not follow his agreements with either Astor or Morgan. It is often claimed that J.P. Morgan pulled the rug
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-Caveat Lector- I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric chair. This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well, from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a homosexual. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: I had never ead that Thomas Edison electrocuted a dog in the electric chair. This would make him about the most vicious and cruel - no wonder - well, from now on I will no longer defend that BASTARD when they say he was a homosexual. Colleen that aint the half of it, i read a couple of accounts a few years back that are accounts of his being a thief and a scammer who cheated more than only tesla out of their rightful dues for the sake of a couple of dollars. he screwed tesla well and a lot of other inventors at the time. he used his money like a club and a lot of people suffered because of him. you want references? read a book. edison was a fine capitalist in its most sinister tradition chris (still smilin' y'all) DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Hi Emael: how you been. From the time I was in school we were taught that the Wizard of Menlo Prk was a near perfect man; well, electrocuting a dog - how sadistic can one get. The only stuff I had on Edison was good stuff, where he allegedly fired Tesla and ridiculed his electric chair. When I check this out, it ws back in 1987when I got into the weather modification stuff, and was told it was classified since 1965in error, I blamed Tesla for the programartificial lightning, have documented evidence of man made earthquakes which they could not control and backed off, tornados now no longer an act of Godthe insurance companies have almost gone broke paying for some of this stuff. If Edison electrocuted a dog in his electric chair, that is about the lowest, most despicable thing anyone could do. I remember when they were murdering pit bulls just because they werre given a bad name by the press. Its a wonder the Humane Society did not step inby the way, cattle mutilations, etc., and somehow this is connected I think to melatonin projects, etc., some secret...they use cattle pineal glands...and some of these people - well this stuff is awful. Even the mad cow disease; the pineal glands would be worth more than the beef.something wrong here. This is an interesting thing, but I have a lot of work to do here on that. Goodbye Emael..thanks for the information. I can hardly believe that; however, to read books on Edison's work or the work of Teslamy god, Ted Beardon would have best sellers if he wrote the movies where people are being blown over the rainbow with Tesla's work..but he gets very technical as a nuclear engineer. At least, the net is getting this stuff out. Maxwell, my Pit Bulll.in Columbus they executed a Pit Bull named Luke, that looked just like my Maxwellhe had been used by drug pushers, etc., and when they got caught - they had also trained him for a pit I guess - but there was nothing I could do to save Luke and they executed her or him before I could get help. These dogs are the nicest dogs in the world. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- I just had to intercede with a few comments; Tesla was a genius, no doubt. Edison and Tesla had a falling out; Edison was a humanitarian.Tesla and Westinghouse hand in hand, produced the first Electric Chair...this resulted in Edison calling in the Westinghouse Chair Thomas Alva Edison and Tesla? Well when you consider ARCO oil is using his work to destroy our country through this insane Weather Program, brining on the torndoes, hurricanesdrought in Florida burningno kiddingthese people are now going to further use the weather, as a weapon, as they did in Viet Nm to bring on the monsoons six months early. Tempertures going up at night; artificial lightning and earthquakes; give me Edison the Man.lets bury Tesla and his destructive side. Colleen DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 01:29 AM 4/20/99 -0400, Colleen Jones wrote: Thomas Alva Edison and Tesla? Well when you consider ARCO oil is using his work to destroy our country through this insane Weather Program, brining on the torndoes, hurricanesdrought in Florida burningno kiddingthese people are now going to further use the weather, as a weapon, as they did in Viet Nm to bring on the monsoons six months early. Tempertures going up at night; artificial lightning and earthquakes; give me Edison the Man.lets bury Tesla and his destructive side. Colleen Tesla did not create HAARP, nor is it of his doing. Unfortunately, there are those ignorant people who insist that he did. They are wrong, wrong, wrong. Edison was above all, an opportunist and a copy cat. The falling out between him and Tesla was documented in "Tesla: Man out of Time", by Margaret Cheney. Edison viewed Tesla's brilliant genius as a direct threat to his DC system. He was a cheapskate - he made an offer to Tesla if he would re-design his dynamos, he would pay him handomely. When Tesla finished, he reneged and offered Tesla a paltry increase in salary. Tesla walked out. The Smithsonian believes strongly in revisonist history. See the url - http://www.cris.com/~Jwwagner/ . No credit whatsoever to Tesla, yet Edison is revered as a god. There are people that believe that Marconi invented radio, but they are wrong too. Patents don't lie. I'm a native Floridian and just recently moved to Colorado. I know all about the drought in Florida, and the fires. I was there in Orlando last year traveling back and forth to Flagler Beach, Daytona and to Titusville. I drove through smoke so thick, you couldn't see 10 feet in front of you, on both 1-4 near Deland, and I-95 near Titusville. The fires have come earlier this year, since La Nina has moved the jetstream around and not enough moisture has moved down to Florida and Georgia yet. However, come June, Florida will get an afternoon thunderboomer. Don --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- Thanks Don.I remember that AC/DC stuff now in material I had on Tesla; and you are right, I was thinking ill of Tesla for how they are using his work now. Me, you know, I am just the average American who can get this gist of this stuff, and know when I get hit by a lightning bolt (twice last year - have a lot of evergreens)but the technical stuff, well let us say I am Amy Carter discussing the Nuclear Bomb with Daddy. Remembe how Carter said he discussed this stuff with Amy.I about died. Einstein made simple again for dumbells like me. Farewell.you know, that article I had on Tesla was biased towards Edison; all I could remember was that horrible electric chair that even I lived in fear of when I was little.. colleen You know, I would like to put Clinton in tht hot seat, along with Albright and Reno.I would personally lite that fire. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
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-Caveat Lector- At 01:29 AM 4/20/99 -0400, Colleen Jones wrote: Thomas Alva Edison and Tesla? Well when you consider ARCO oil is using his work to destroy our country through this insane Weather Program, brining on the torndoes, hurricanesdrought in Florida burningno kiddingthese people are now going to further use the weather, as a weapon, as they did in Viet Nm to bring on the monsoons six months early. A relevant excerpt from William R. Lyne's book, "Space Aliens from the Pentagon". Pages 17-18 --- begin excerpt --- In 1940, (Wm. L. Laurence, New York Times, Sept 22, 1940), Tesla announced his _Teleforce_ (italics), consisting of four _already tested_ inventions, as follows: "(1) A means of producing rays in the free air without a vacuum; (2) a method off producing a very great electrical force; (3) a method of amplifying this electrical force; and (4) a new method for producing a tremendous electrical _propelling_ force." To show you how insidious the mis-informationalists are, and how easy it is for them to dupe 'sensation-addicts', there have several recent instances where the misinformation regarding the four listed inventions, from the original 1940 New York Times article, has been repeated, based on an original "patent", in which the misrepresentations were originally made in a sly and oblique way that few would suspect, right under the noses of the "Tesla experts". The four inventions were already tested at the time, and (4) was a propelling force. Anyone who ran down the original article to examine it as I did, would know that. Among the several places I have discovered this misrepresentation, was a so-called "patent" on HAARP (High Frequency Auroral Research Project). The only purpose for such a fraudulent misrepresentation would be for the explicit purpose of misrepresenting the original Tesla material, to those studying Tesla's work, because it represented one of the few 'unretrieved' leaks of Tesla's discovery of the flying saucer propulsion system. The patent, (No. 4,686,605, issued to Bernard J. Eastlund, Spring, Texas, 1983) is now owned by Arco Power Technologies, Inc., under which they are to perform some "top secret" tests for the government, from the North Slope of Alaska, and was alleged to be one of three patents previously locked up under a Navy security order. To begin with, patents are not issued on inventions primary to secret projects. Whatever the real purpose of the HAARP project, you can bet your booties it isn't what they say it is. Secondly, the real purpose of planting the false particulars of the 'patent' in publications read by 'alternative researchers', was to obscure and misrepresent Tesla's discovery of the ether propulsion system used on flying saucers. And who is ARCO? (Atlantic Richfield Oil Company) was created by Trilateral Commission member Robert O. Anderson, of Roswell, New Mexico, the creator of Diamond A Cattle Company, the largest holding company in North America, which owns all known oil shale deposits in North America, and almost all mineral rights in the North Slope of Alaska. ARCO moved to garner a monopoly on solar and alternate energy resources after the "fuel crisis" of 1974. The misinformation placed in the 'patent' was repeated (NEXUS Magazine, April-May 1995 - Extraordinary Science, Jan-Feb-Mar, 1995) just precisely where it shouldn't have been, but just precisely where the Secret Government wanted it. Once something like this gets started, where does it stop? Those who should have known better, did nothing to stop it. Where the ball goes, nobody knows. We cannot allow this Trilateralist misrepresentation of Tesla's work to go unchallenged. --- end excerpt --- --- "Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
