Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-08-01 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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please enlighten me c
I really want to know, to understand,
to see how I have been failing you and make amends
by passing your test 

with love and best wishes,

andrew
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  you came up with an original word


 no i didn't. 'twas a simple test to assess your understanding of the
subject
 you speak so authoritively. unsurprisingly, you fail.

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-08-01 Thread c.

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i cannot illuminate you andrew. only you can do that.

not so much a test as an assessment.

can't you see the fnords? i mean, really? your writing is full of them...

c.

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 please enlighten me c
 I really want to know, to understand,
 to see how I have been failing you and make amends
 by passing your test 

 with love and best wishes,

 andrew
 www.planetxorg.com


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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-08-01 Thread tribalzidane

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On Tue, 31 Jul 2001 20:23:53 +0100, Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
posted article 005201c119f6$566b3400$d0e928c3@elessar, which said:

 unfortunately this list is a bit of a playground for retired CIA etc who
 are trying to make a bit of pocketmoney - so the key wouldn't be safe

 also - I'm pretty sure the government/NSA has the ability to strip down
 PGP by now - its the first thing i would ask ET for - computer capacity
 like that.

Possibly so.  Phil Zimmermann, of course, still claims that it would take
supercomputers several months to crack the code, but after I heard about
that new computer that was built to run atmospheric simulations, I'm
starting to wonder what actually defines a supercomputer.  Compared to my
old TRS-80 Color Computer with 16k of RAM, this Athlon 1200 MHz with 256
megs of RAM is a supercomputer.  Over in Europe, Sun Microsystems built a
computer with the RAM that equates to 11,000 CD-ROM's.  Nearly 7 Terabytes
of RAM, that is.  This computer is going to be used to try to figure out
exactly what happened in the process of evolution.

As for this atmospheric meteorlogical simulator, I don't remember how much
RAM it has -- I think they said 11 Terabytes, or they packed enough CPU's in
it to make it run at a clock speed of 11 Terahertz.  I watch TechTV all the
time, so when I see the report again, I'll respond here and update the
thread.

Anyway, seems like with a computer that fast, it wouldn't take very long to
crack a PGP key.  And I think all these new versions of PGP probaby have a
master key held by the government.  I remember a few years back, the
government was S concerned about people encrypting the e-mail they were
probably reading left and right, so they came up with this plan to have all
PGP users private keys held in escrow and with a court order, the FBI and
other law enforcement agencies could use a warrant to obtain a copy of your
private key and decrypt your e-mails.  Needless to say, privacy advocates
and PGP users were in an uproar.

Now notice that recently they relaxed the laws against exporting encryption
technologies outside the United States.  Why?  I imagine that not only do
they now have all our private keys, not even held in escrow, but sitting on
their hard drives so they can access our e-mail without probably cause, but
they also have a computer fast enough to crack PGP encryption keys in a
matter of minutes.

Phil Zimmermann says that we can always increase the encryption strength of
our keys, which is a lot easier and cheaper to do than building a more
powerful computer to crack it.  But even in 1994 we had 2048-bit keys, and
maybe even earlier. Nowadays the most I've heard of is 4096-bit keys.  In
1993 about the fastest consumer-grade PC you could buy was something like a
Pentium 60 and maybe a Pentium 75.  Now you can get a Pentium IV running at
1800 MHz.  We should be using at LEAST 131,072-bit keys to keep the same
relative strength of encryption that we had back then.  But while computer
speeds have increased nearly 20-fold, our PGP keys are only twice as strong.

Yep... it's been cracked.  Privacy is an illusion.

Damaeus

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-07-31 Thread kl

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On 31 Jul 2001, at 10:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

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 Perhaps with all the concerns about wiretaps, e-mail snooping and the like,
 this might be a nice place to encourage the use of PGP encryption.  It
 would be kind of like sticking our e-mails in a lockbox that only we can
 open. Only thing is... how do we know an informant is not among us.  I
 dunno... Maybe it's not even worth trying.  It's not like we're conspiring
 to overthrow the government or anything.  We're just discussing things that
 the government would probably prefer that we not even know about.

 Thing is, though, if enough people use PGP, the government would spend so
 much time straining their computers to crack the codes of e-mails that it
 might make e-mail snooping something that's not worth doing anymore.

 Might cause a mess, though... Does the list get a PGP key?  Do we all share
 our keys with each other?  Plus we'd have to type in a passphrase for every
 e-mail.  But is it any more inconvenient than opening an envelope?

 Damaeus


The only way this would work would be for the list to share it's private
key with every member, which would pretty much defeat the purpose of
a private key.  The snoops could get the key by subscribing to the list.


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(3) These rights and freedoms may in no case be exercised contrary to
the purposes and principles of the United Nations.
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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-07-31 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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unfortunately this list is a bit of a playground for
retired CIA etc who are trying to make a bit of
pocketmoney - so the key wouldn't be safe

also - I'm pretty sure the government/NSA has
the ability to strip down PGP by now - its the
first thing i would ask ET for - computer capacity like
that.

andrew
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Subject: [CTRL] Privacy Not


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 Perhaps with all the concerns about wiretaps, e-mail snooping and the
like,
 this might be a nice place to encourage the use of PGP encryption.  It
would
 be kind of like sticking our e-mails in a lockbox that only we can open.
 Only thing is... how do we know an informant is not among us.  I
dunno...
 Maybe it's not even worth trying.  It's not like we're conspiring to
 overthrow the government or anything.  We're just discussing things that
the
 government would probably prefer that we not even know about.

 Thing is, though, if enough people use PGP, the government would spend so
 much time straining their computers to crack the codes of e-mails that it
 might make e-mail snooping something that's not worth doing anymore.

 Might cause a mess, though... Does the list get a PGP key?  Do we all
share
 our keys with each other?  Plus we'd have to type in a passphrase for
every
 e-mail.  But is it any more inconvenient than opening an envelope?

 Damaeus

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-07-31 Thread c.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:23 PM
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 unfortunately fnord this fnord list fnord is fnord a fnord bit fnord of
fnord a fnord playground
 fnord for fnord retired fnord CIA fnord etc fnord who fnord are fnord
trying fnord to
 fnord make fnord a fnord bit fnord of fnord pocketmoney fnord - so fnord
the fnord key
 fnord wouldn't fnord be fnord safe

 also fnord - I'm fnord pretty fnord sure fnord the fnord government/NSA
fnord has fnord
 the fnord ability fnord to fnord strip fnord down fnord PGP fnord by fnord
fnord now - its
 fnord the fnord
 first  fnord thing fnord i fnord would fnord ask fnord ET fnord for
fnord - computer
 fnord capacity fnord like
 that.

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-07-31 Thread Andrew Hennessey

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you came up with an original word - amazing -
all you have to do now is get a few more and
make a sentence - and before you know it -
you may have expressed an original idea
in terms of a paragraph -
I would watch trying not to repeat the same idea
too often though - folks might get the wrong idea :)

andrew

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Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:46 PM
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 - Original Message -
 From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2001 8:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  unfortunately fnord this fnord list fnord is fnord a fnord bit fnord of
 fnord a fnord playground
  fnord for fnord retired fnord CIA fnord etc fnord who fnord are fnord
 trying fnord to
  fnord make fnord a fnord bit fnord of fnord pocketmoney fnord - so fnord
 the fnord key
  fnord wouldn't fnord be fnord safe
 
  also fnord - I'm fnord pretty fnord sure fnord the fnord government/NSA
 fnord has fnord
  the fnord ability fnord to fnord strip fnord down fnord PGP fnord by
fnord
 fnord now - its
  fnord the fnord
  first  fnord thing fnord i fnord would fnord ask fnord ET fnord for
 fnord - computer
  fnord capacity fnord like
  that.

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy Not

2001-07-31 Thread c.

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 you came up with an original word


no i didn't. 'twas a simple test to assess your understanding of the subject
you speak so authoritively. unsurprisingly, you fail.

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Re: [CTRL] Privacy

2000-02-05 Thread Theodor Parada, MD

-Caveat Lector-   A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"
/A -Cui Bono?-

Now this may seem paranoid, but all my encrypted email is being held
up or diverted by the server or other's. I've been monitoring this
and have sent blind cross copies of the entire PGP encrypted messages
and its been taking over 24 hours to receive them, if not longer.
I'd be interested in hearing if anyone else is having the same type
of problem.

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