Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-15 Thread Brett Lymn
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 09:32:13PM +0700, Robert Elz wrote: > > Joerg Sonnenberger said: > | You don't need "just" a cable, but one with quite a bit logic in between. > | USB is not designed for host-to-host communication, > > Thanks - that's the kind of info I was lacking, given I know nothi

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-13 Thread Andrew Cagney
On 12 October 2015 at 10:32, Robert Elz wrote: > Long long ago I did an implementation of config code (more or less a console) > for a device that had nothing but ethernet. For that (and to avoid the > issue that would arise here, of needing specialised client code) I used telnet > over TCP. S

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-12 Thread Robert Elz
First, I know I was a little overboard on the "RS232 is dead" theme, there are still uses for it, and it remains useful for its purpose. However, the time when *everything* had rs232 available has passed now, and it was that which made it attractive as an alternative console (boosted by many older

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-11 Thread Felix Deichmann
2015-10-12 7:50 GMT+02:00 Robert Elz : > No, that makes no sense. The whole point is that no-one has RS232 > on anything modern - forcing it to exist, just because it is what used > to be used helps nothing. This generalising statement is at least wrong in an industrial environment for example.

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-11 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 12 Oct 2015 07:15:43 +0200 From:Felix Deichmann Message-ID: | Sounds complicated. Why not just use a ucom(4) device as console then? | Gives RS232 again with the right adapter. :) No, that makes no sense. The whole point is that no-one has RS232 on

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-11 Thread Robert Elz
Date:Mon, 12 Oct 2015 10:31:32 +0530 From:Mayuresh Message-ID: <20151012050132.GA11271@odin> | Even nicer if such device could be a smartphone, which can make it | convenient to collect data, just from ease point of view. Yes, that would work also, but would need

Re: Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-11 Thread Felix Deichmann
2015-10-12 7:01 GMT+02:00 Mayuresh : >> ps: it would be interesting to know if there was any rational way to >> develop a NetBSD to NetBSD USB protocol that could maybe be used to >> replace serial consoles ... requiring just a cable to link 2 NetBSD >> systems to each other - I know nothing about

Ways to report trace when boot panics [Was NetBSD 7.0 i386 panic during boot]

2015-10-11 Thread Mayuresh
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 11:21:41AM +0700, Robert Elz wrote: > Without that, all that you can get is what you can see on the screen. I think this topic is worth discussing. I have seen several mail threads where people paste threads, obviously gathered systematically. But I do not know how they do