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2020-11-09 Thread NetBSD source update
Updating src tree: P src/distrib/sets/lists/tests/mi P src/distrib/syspkg/sets/comp/Makefile cvs update: `src/distrib/syspkg/sets/comp/comp-c-catman/COMMENT' is no longer in the repository cvs update: `src/distrib/syspkg/sets/comp/comp-c-catman/DESCR' is no longer in the repository cvs update:

Re: XEN help needed

2020-11-09 Thread Niels Dettenbach
Am 09.11.2020 um 16:55 schrieb g...@duzan.org: > >  >> >> Hello all you XEN experts! >> >> I've got a XEN3_DOMU virtual machine currently running NetBSD 8.1, and >> hosted on a commercial provider (www.prgmr.com). Since I'm running >> 8.1 I think that implies that I'm running in HVM mode?

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Mouse
>> Lack of good randomness does not quite equal insecure install. Warn >> about it, sure, but I think *requiring* randomness is a bad idea. >> For example, I've been working with recent NetBSD at work, for >> something for which the presence or absence of good random-seed data >> makes absolutely

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:15:52PM +0100, Vincent DEFERT wrote: > On 09/11/2020 21:49, m...@netbsd.org wrote: > > Unfortunately it leads to surprise failures if programs ever use > > /dev/random. If not seeded, reads from it will block forever. > If it has such consequences, the installer - or

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Vincent DEFERT
On 09/11/2020 21:49, m...@netbsd.org wrote: Unfortunately it leads to surprise failures if programs ever use /dev/random. If not seeded, reads from it will block forever. If it has such consequences, the installer - or maybe a 'first-run' startup script? - should of course take care of it. That

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread maya
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 09:53:50AM -0500, Mouse wrote: > > So: happy to make it more userfriendly, simpler, rephrase messages, > > whatever needed - but we should not end up with insecure installs. > > Lack of good randomness does not quite equal insecure install. Warn > about it, sure, but I

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Reinoud Zandijk
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +, nia wrote: > i run into it on real hardware, thinkpad t60. > > my preference is: > > - when booting in a VM, if there is no RNG device attached, > the system should print a warning with instructions on how > to attach the device. In practice this

Re: XEN help needed

2020-11-09 Thread Martin Mersberger
Hi Paul, > I've got a XEN3_DOMU virtual machine currently running NetBSD 8.1, and > hosted on a commercial provider (www.prgmr.com).  Since I'm running > 8.1 I think that implies that I'm running in HVM mode? most NetBSD's on prgmr running in PV mode currently as far as I understood (at least,

Re: XEN help needed

2020-11-09 Thread gary
> Hello all you XEN experts! > > I've got a XEN3_DOMU virtual machine currently running NetBSD 8.1, and > hosted on a commercial provider (www.prgmr.com). Since I'm running > 8.1 I think that implies that I'm running in HVM mode? I'm running 8.1_STABLE on PRGMR, and I'm running PV. They have

XEN help needed

2020-11-09 Thread Paul Goyette
Hello all you XEN experts! I've got a XEN3_DOMU virtual machine currently running NetBSD 8.1, and hosted on a commercial provider (www.prgmr.com). Since I'm running 8.1 I think that implies that I'm running in HVM mode? Anyway, the provider will soon be upgrading their host to a PVHVM-only

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Mouse
> So: happy to make it more userfriendly, simpler, rephrase messages, > whatever needed - but we should not end up with insecure installs. Lack of good randomness does not quite equal insecure install. Warn about it, sure, but I think *requiring* randomness is a bad idea. For example, I've been

Side effects when taring up /dev

2020-11-09 Thread Jarle Greipsland
Hi, I observed some weird behavior when I ran tar on a filesystem with a /dev directory. I ran the equivalent of: (cd / && tar -cf - . ) | (cd /somewhere && tar -xpf - ) and got the following error messages: tar: Couldn't list extended attributes: Invalid argument tar: Couldn't list extended

Automated report: NetBSD-current/i386 build success

2020-11-09 Thread NetBSD Test Fixture
The NetBSD-current/i386 build is working again. The following commits were made between the last failed build and the successful build: 2020.11.09.10.19.18 martin src/share/mk/bsd.prog.mk,v 1.334 2020.11.09.10.19.41 martin src/usr.sbin/makemandb/Makefile,v 1.11 Logs can be found at:

Re: recent sysinst UX changesg

2020-11-09 Thread nia
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:03:31AM +, nia wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:18:31AM +0100, Martin Husemann wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +, nia wrote: > > > fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as > > > possible. > > > > > > i have installed

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:03:31AM +, nia wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:18:31AM +0100, Martin Husemann wrote: > > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +, nia wrote: > > > fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as > > > possible. > > > > > > i have installed

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread nia
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 11:18:31AM +0100, Martin Husemann wrote: > On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +, nia wrote: > > fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as > > possible. > > > > i have installed NetBSD irl with people who have only a little bit of unix > >

Oddball small memory qemu images and networking

2020-11-09 Thread Reinoud Zandijk
Hi folks, On Mon, May 18, 2020 at 09:41:17PM +, Andrew Doran wrote: > Finally got around to trying this. Having beaten on it for a while with > real hardware I don't see any problem with swapping over NFS on 9.99.63. > > On Sat, May 02, 2020 at 12:06:48PM +1000, Paul Ripke wrote: > > > I

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread Martin Husemann
On Mon, Nov 09, 2020 at 10:10:56AM +, nia wrote: > fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as possible. > > i have installed NetBSD irl with people who have only a little bit of unix > knowledge, and watched them wince every time something doesn't go as planned. >

Re: recent sysinst UX changes

2020-11-09 Thread nia
fwiw, i think the default options should be as close to Just Work as possible. i have installed NetBSD irl with people who have only a little bit of unix knowledge, and watched them wince every time something doesn't go as planned. often this is on older, spare hardware, that's just to play with

Re: benchmark results on ryzen 3950x with netbsd-9, -current, and -current (no DIAGNOSTIC)

2020-11-09 Thread Reinoud Zandijk
On Sat, Nov 07, 2020 at 06:12:34PM +1100, matthew green wrote: > this is an update on my previous testing. i've excluded > amd64 release builds from this set, takes too long ;) Indeed remarkable! I assume you build the same source tree on the various versions? Did you use the benchmarking stuff

Re: Automated report: NetBSD-current/i386 build failure

2020-11-09 Thread Andreas Gustafsson
The NetBSD Test Fixture wrote: > nbmake[7]: nbmake[7]: don't know how to make -ltermlib. Stop The build is still failing. The problems started with this commit: 2020.11.08.21.56.47 nia src/external/bsd/kyua-cli/Makefile.inc,v 1.8 2020.11.08.21.56.47 nia