Re: GNOME category exists now?

2004-10-28 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Christopher Faylor wrote: This is the list of sections that I found in ftp://ftp.gnu.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz : admin electroni interpret misc perl tex base embedded kde net pythontext comm games libdevel news science

Re: GNOME category exists now?

2004-10-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Christopher Faylor writes: We don't do things exactly like Debian in every case but if there is precedent in Debian it helps to make the Cygwin decision. Except maybe in this specific case, if you know that Debian sections are considered foo

Re: update: guile-1.6.5 and 1.7.1.CVS

2004-10-28 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Gerrit P. Haase writes: Sorry, missed this one. Thanks. I didn't think of that. If any problems, please remove 1.6.4-12, it is buggy and 1.6.5 should be better on all accounts. And keep 1.6.4-2? 1.6.4-2 is for the cygwin1.3 abi, I think it's safe to remove that now. Please just keep

Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD

2004-10-28 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Jani Tiainen wrote: Actually in my installation I have no /usr/share/xml/docbook-4.1.2, instead I have usr/share docbook-xml42, and under /usr/share/xml is _only_ libglade subdir... Wondered that while looking those one of scripts... Are packages installed improperly in wrong directory? Hmmm,

Bash updates, bashdb, bash_completion, etc.

2004-10-28 Thread Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
Hello all, Let me just start by saying that I really think bashdb would be a nice addition to Cygwin. That said, I'll need some convincing to add it to mainline Bash as I don't want to maintain YA out-of-tree patch for Bash if I can help it. As for Bash-2.05b-17: I've applied Pierre's patch to

Please add me to cvsadmin group on sources

2004-10-28 Thread Max Bowsher
I want to be able to fix up keyword expansion modes, and toggle states of revisions (for move-simulation). There is nothing that can be done with cvsadmin that cannot be done by editing the RCS files directly - cvs admin is just a bit more convenient and safer. Max.

setup.exe - RFC: reorganizing source into category directories

2004-10-28 Thread Max Bowsher
Setup.exe has a *lot* of source files. To make the source a little more comprehendable, I'm planning on moving certain subsystems which effectively are utility libraries in their own right into subdirectories. This should hopefully be a step on the path to untangling the logic and the GUI

Re: setup.exe - RFC: reorganizing source into category directories

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: Setup.exe has a *lot* of source files. To make the source a little more comprehendable, I'm planning on moving certain subsystems which effectively are utility libraries in their own right into subdirectories. This should hopefully be a step on the

Re: setup.exe - RFC: reorganizing source into category directories

2004-10-28 Thread Max Bowsher
Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: Setup.exe has a *lot* of source files. To make the source a little more comprehendable, I'm planning on moving certain subsystems which effectively are utility libraries in their own right into subdirectories. This should hopefully

RE: setup.exe - RFC: reorganizing source into category directories

2004-10-28 Thread Gary R. Van Sickle
Setup.exe has a *lot* of source files. To make the source a little more comprehendable, I'm planning on moving certain subsystems which effectively are utility libraries in their own right into subdirectories. This should hopefully be a step on the path to untangling the logic and the

Problem with GUI on Cygwin (Intern)

2004-10-28 Thread majid.mohebby
Hi! I'm trying to use GUI on new version og Cygwin. I installled what I need from one of the mirror site, but some how I have problem to use Graphic User Interface / wmaker. Below is the output from commando xinit on my PC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ 1 xinit Welcome to the XWin X Server Vendor:

Minimal replacement for Exceed

2004-10-28 Thread amanda345
I want to find a replacement for Hummingbird Exceed. I know that Cygwin includes an X server, but I'm not interested in all of Cygwin. What would be the minimum I'd need to install to be able to run Cygwin/X? In case it matters, I'd like to run the X server with the -multiwindow and

Re: Minimal replacement for Exceed

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Furlan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to find a replacement for Hummingbird Exceed. I know that Cygwin includes an X server, but I'm not interested in all of Cygwin. What would be the minimum I'd need to install to be able to run Cygwin/X? In case it matters, I'd like to run the X server

Caps lock and shifted symbols

2004-10-28 Thread Tommy Phillips
I'm running Cygwin XFree86 version 6.7.0.0-12, and I have a problem with xterm windows running on AIX 5.1. I think the version of xterm running on AIX is 1.9, but I'm not sure how to tell (I got this guess from strings). Any way, the problem I'm seeing is that, when I have Caps Lock on, symbols

src/winsup/cygwin ChangeLog fork.cc

2004-10-28 Thread cgf
CVSROOT:/cvs/src Module name:src Changes by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2004-10-28 17:34:30 Modified files: winsup/cygwin : ChangeLog fork.cc Log message: * fork.cc (NPIDS_HELD): Reduce to former number now that bash problem has been identified. Patches:

Re: [Patch] Deimpersonate while accessing HKLM

2004-10-28 Thread Jason Tishler
Pierre, On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 08:33:01PM -0400, Pierre A. Humblet wrote: This patch should fix the chdir problem reported by Jason Tishler. It deimpersonates while reading the mounts and cygdrive in HKLM. I can confirm that the above solves the proftpd chdir problem. I really appreciate you

[Patch] cygcheck: Don't use keyeprint if GetLastError is irrelevant.

2004-10-28 Thread Bas van Gompel
Hi, Following (trivial, once more, I hope) patch cleans up some of the (IMO) inappropriate ``keyeprint'' usage in cygcheck. It (keyeprint) should not be used when GetLastError does not apply, I think. Also the format ending in ``failed'' can cause strange messages like ``NULL pointer for file

Re: pipe data form windows program to cygwin program

2004-10-28 Thread bertrand marquis
Le mer 27/10/2004 21:37, Bob Byrnes a crit : I'm writing a program which need to send data to a cygwin program using a pipe on the stdin (actually data to compress using gzip). All is working well but at the end of the program when i close the pipe it seems that gzip doesn't see that

Re: pipe data form windows program to cygwin program

2004-10-28 Thread bertrand marquis
hi again, i join to this mail an example. This must be compiled with mingw compiler. the program is going great but at the end gzip( or you can try with cat to see that data is in output file) stay open. bertrand Le mer 27/10/2004 21:37, Bob Byrnes a crit : I'm writing a program which

Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD

2004-10-28 Thread Jani Tiainen
Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: Maybe the docbook-xml42 maintainer could help us all out with this one? ~ Or Gerrit, what did you do for gtk-doc? gtk-doc requires 'OpenSP openjade perl', should it depend on docbook-x* too? At least the postinstall script to

FOSDEM open source conference

2004-10-28 Thread Theo Verelst
Dear Readers, End of februari 2005 there will (again) be one of the main european open source software conferences at Brussels University, where they are still inviting people/groups to take part in or organize stands, lectures, devrooms. etc. : FOSDEM ( http://www.fosdem.org ) Are there any

Regex problem

2004-10-28 Thread Kotan
Hi! I tried to use the POSIX regular expression functions under cygwin, and I only got segmentation faults. My program is working fine under Linux, but dont run at all with cygwin. Maybe you can give me a hint, whats wrong or if it is a bug. Here the source code: --- #include

xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL

2004-10-28 Thread Alex Vinokur
While installing I have got the following error message: xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL - Dynamic link library cygz.dll could not be found in the specified path

Re: startup problem // no longer works // profile not called

2004-10-28 Thread Alex Vinokur
Igor Pechtchanski wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alex Vinokur wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: I have a feeling your postinstall scripts didn't run properly because of the screwed-up mounts. In fact, run find /etc/postinstall -name \*.done | sed

Re: xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL

2004-10-28 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Alex Vinokur wrote: While installing I have got the following error message: xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL - Dynamic link library cygz.dll could not be found in the specified path

Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD

2004-10-28 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Jani Tiainen wrote: Actually in my installation I have no /usr/share/xml/docbook-4.1.2, instead I have usr/share docbook-xml42, and under /usr/share/xml is _only_ libglade subdir... Wondered that while looking those one of scripts... Are packages installed improperly in wrong directory? Hmmm,

OpenSSH

2004-10-28 Thread rickiez
I have a 2000 server running Cygwin and SSH and it has been working fine for a year or so, but I went to add a user to Active Directory and I can see the user in /etc/passwd but when I try to log in via SSH it denies me and logs it in event viewer as: The description for Event ID ( 0 ) in Source

Re: startup problem // no longer works // profile not called

2004-10-28 Thread David Baron
I nuked and restored the Windows disk from partimage saves (attempting to correct a problem unrelated to Cygwin). Partimage is a bit too finicky about the size of the destination partition, test full size and aborts even if the used data fill fit! As I was unable to recreate the partition I had

RE: OpenSSH

2004-10-28 Thread Markus Baumueller
rickiez wrote on Thursday, October 28, 2004 2:01 PM: [...] and I can see the user in /etc/passwd but when I try to log in via SSH it denies me and logs it in event viewer as: [...] computer. The following information is part of the event: sshd : PID 2348 : Failed password for illegal user

RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: clamav-0.80-2

2004-10-28 Thread Morche Matthias
Is the expected behaviour of clamscan to avoid scanning the root directory as shown below? $ clamscan -v -r / --- SCAN SUMMARY --- Known viruses: 25864 Scanned directories: 1 Scanned files: 0 Infected files: 0 Data scanned: 0.00 MB I/O buffer size: 131072 bytes Time: 0.940 sec

Re: xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL

2004-10-28 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Alex Vinokur wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alex Vinokur wrote: While installing I have got the following error message: xmlcatalog.exe - Unable To Locate DLL - Dynamic link library cygz.dll

Re: startup problem // no longer works // profile not called

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Alex Vinokur wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Tue, 26 Oct 2004, Alex Vinokur wrote: Igor Pechtchanski wrote: I have a feeling your postinstall scripts didn't run properly because of the screwed-up mounts. In fact, run find /etc/postinstall -name

RE: Avail for test: libtool-devel-1.9f_20041024-1, libltdl6-1.9f_20041024-1

2004-10-28 Thread Peter Ekberg
Chuck wrote: Gerrit P. Haase wrote: make install-strip on a shared library strips the import lib, not the dll which was what I was hoping for. Not a show-stopper I suppose... Yes, this is a showstopper! Import libraries may be broken after stripping. I'm going out of town for a few

Re: Revised precompiled header support on cygwin

2004-10-28 Thread Brian Ford
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Earl Chew wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: If you have a patch that's ready to go, I'll review it. If it isn't ready to go then there's not anything for me to do as far as I can tell. If you're asking me to work on it, then that is something I don't have time to

Re: Revised precompiled header support on cygwin

2004-10-28 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Oct 27, 2004 at 10:07:21PM -0700, Earl Chew wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: What do you suggest? If you have a patch that's ready to go, I'll review it. If it isn't ready to go then there's not anything for me to do as far as I can tell. If you're asking me to work on it, then that is

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread Brian Ford
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: I have a somewhat complex program that I rewrote to use pthreads. It uses threads in a very simple fashion. Though I don't have much experience with pthreads, the program works fine using mandrake 10.0 linux. Using cygwin and windows xp sp2, when one

Re: OpenSSH

2004-10-28 Thread Liang Wang
rickiez [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have a 2000 server running Cygwin and SSH and it has been working fine for a year or so, but I went to add a user to Active Directory and I can see the user in /etc/passwd Do you mean you add user information into /etc/passwd manually? IMO, you should do

Re: Setup.exe hangs forever...

2004-10-28 Thread Liang Wang
Do you install cygwin and GNOME at the same time? I mean, do you install something from cygnome.sourceforge.net? If so, you'd better move cygnome directory out of download directory, and then, install cygwin first. After that, you can move cygnome back and install again. If not, forget what I'm

Re: FOSDEM open source conference

2004-10-28 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Oct 28, 2004 at 01:03:39PM +0200, Theo Verelst wrote: End of februari 2005 there will (again) be one of the main european open source software conferences at Brussels University, where they are still inviting people/groups to take part in or organize stands, lectures, devrooms. etc. :

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread jdeifik
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: I have a somewhat complex program that I rewrote to use pthreads. It uses threads in a very simple fashion. Though I don't have much experience with pthreads, the program works fine using mandrake 10.0 linux. Using cygwin and windows xp sp2, when one

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: When I run the program with gdb, I get really weird segmentation faults, for example: http://www.cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2004-10/msg01033.html Does anyone know gdb macros well enough to say off-hand whether it's possible

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread Brian Ford
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: Brian Ford wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: Using cygwin and windows xp sp2, when one thread reaches the end of execution, the entire program exits. And you know this is really what happens because...? Or, is it this bug?

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: clamav-0.80-2

2004-10-28 Thread Reini Urban
Morche Matthias schrieb: Is the expected behaviour of clamscan to avoid scanning the root directory as shown below? $ clamscan -v -r / Certainly not. Thanks for the report! Clearly a clamscan bug. (Still 1.0) $ clamscan -v // ///.bash_history: Access denied. Scanning ///.rnd ///.rnd: OK Scanning

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread jdeifik
At 09:27 AM 10/28/2004, you wrote: On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: Brian Ford wrote: On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: Using cygwin and windows xp sp2, when one thread reaches the end of execution, the entire program exits. And you know this is really what happens because...?

Re: Revised precompiled header support on cygwin

2004-10-28 Thread Earl Chew
Brian Ford wrote: Does any of this help you understand where CGF is coming from? Brian, Thanks for taking the time to explain the situation to me. I'm not sure what I'll do at this point. I think this is a worthwhile patch in general. The precompiled header processing in gcc is a valuable feature

10-csw-cygwin-install-strip.patch

2004-10-28 Thread Charles Wilson
On cygwin, 'make install-strip' in a libtoolized, automake-driven project ends up stripping the import library, instead of the DLL. This is bad: not only is the DLL unstripped, but stripping an import library can sometimes break it, and make the installed lib unlinkable. e.g. this command:

Re: Problem with pthead.h - child's thread ending, causes main program to exit

2004-10-28 Thread Brian Ford
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, jdeifik wrote: At 09:27 AM 10/28/2004, Brian Ford wrote: You missed the point of that thread. The bug has nothing to do with pthread_join, but with the stdio handles being closed on pthread_exit. Thus, if you are trying to deduce that the entire program exits because

Re: Avail for test: libtool-devel-1.9f_20041024-1, libltdl6-1.9f_20041024-1

2004-10-28 Thread Charles Wilson
Peter Ekberg wrote: BTW, this is the command that generates the wrapper script when it shouldn't: /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link --tag=CC gcc -g -O2 -D_REENTRANT -D_THREAD_SAFE -DDEBUG -g -Wall -Wpointer-arith -Wsign-compare -Wstrict-prototypes -Wswitch -Wmissing-prototypes -Wreturn-type -Wshadow

Reg. Turning off Event Log Messaging

2004-10-28 Thread piyush_lwl
Hi, I am using the Cygwin_Nt 5.0. I have sceheduled some tasks by using the crontab feature of the cygwin. Whenever these tasks are executed it loggs an informative message in the application event log, this is causing a considerable growth in the application event log size. could anyone

Re: Filename limits

2004-10-28 Thread Shankar Unni
Colin JN Breame wrote: As I understand, relative paths in windows suffer from a 255 character limit (or something like that). It's not based on relative vs absolute: it's which API you use. I've quoted a bit from the MSDN documentation (Platform SDK: Storage: Naming a file). Not being intimate

Re: Setup.exe hangs forever...

2004-10-28 Thread Max Bowsher
Gabriel wrote: Even more details: I noticed that if I install Cygwin with the default packages everything works fine. But if I do an installation of Cygwin, from scratch (new system, new Windows XP SP2) and try to install _everything_ by clicking on Default and changing it to Install then

Re: Shiny Icon

2004-10-28 Thread Max Bowsher
Nick wrote: Hey all. I made this shiny 32-bit 48x48 icon for Win XP, which you're free to use if you like that kind of thing. I just found that with the rest of my desktop being high-colour with drop shadows, that the Cygwin icon looked a bit plain. Have fun.

Re: Shiny Icon

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Max Bowsher wrote: Nick wrote: Hey all. I made this shiny 32-bit 48x48 icon for Win XP, which you're free to use if you like that kind of thing. I just found that with the rest of my desktop being high-colour with drop shadows, that the Cygwin icon looked a bit

Re: Shiny Icon

2004-10-28 Thread John Morrison
Nick wrote: Hey all. I made this shiny 32-bit 48x48 icon for Win XP, which you're free to use if you like that kind of thing. I just found that with the rest of my desktop being high-colour with drop shadows, that the Cygwin icon looked a bit plain. Have fun.

Re: Filename limits

2004-10-28 Thread Colin JN Breame
Shankar Unni wrote: The Unicode versions of several functions permit a maximum path length of 32,767 characters, composed of components up to 255 characters in length. To specify such a path, use the \\?\ prefix. For example, \\?\D:\path. To specify such a UNC path, use the \\?\UNC\ prefix.

Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD

2004-10-28 Thread Jani Tiainen
Yaakov Selkowitz wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jani Tiainen wrote: | I'm trying to compile app that uses docbook but even I installed all | necessary packages I end up having error while running 'configure': | | checking which XML catalog to use... /etc/xml/catalog |

Re: Filename limits

2004-10-28 Thread Chuck McDevitt
Shankar Unni wrote: The Unicode versions of several functions permit a maximum path length of 32,767 characters, composed of components up to 255 characters in length. To specify such a path, use the \\?\ prefix. For example, \\?\D:\path. To specify such a UNC path, use the \\?\UNC\

Gtkmm now builds under Cygwin

2004-10-28 Thread roger . leigh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi folks, The current versions of Glibmm and Gtkmm (GTK+ C++ bindings) now build under the current Cygwin. (gtkmm 2.4.6 and glibmm 2.4.5, released today.) Currently Gtkmm only builds with the X11 GDK backend, if Cygwin can include a libgtk built

RE: How to install a individual package

2004-10-28 Thread Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID)
At Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:07 PM, Yin Ming wrote: But, the version of vim package is too new, it's 6.3-1, but my cygwin is only 1.9.10-1 ( the version of cygwin package ). Must I update the whole. And, from my home, it's very slow to download packages via setup.exe, is there a fast

Re: Reg. Turning off Event Log Messaging

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, piyush_lwl wrote: Hi, I am using the Cygwin_Nt 5.0. I have sceheduled some tasks by using the crontab feature of the cygwin. Whenever these tasks are executed it loggs an informative message in the application event log, this is causing a considerable growth in the

Inetd does NOT start in.ftpd.exe

2004-10-28 Thread Pavel Stoffel
Hi, I've installed inet utilities and started inetd as a Win-2k service as per the README file. When I telnet into my computer in.telnetd.exe starts; even in.tftpd.exe starts when enabled. However, I cannot get in.ftpd.exe to start. It does not even display the ftpwelcome file. Thanks, Pavel

Re: Cygwin finally croaked

2004-10-28 Thread George Hester
Larry Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 08:17 PM 10/25/2004, you wrote: Larry Hall snip OK, well if you actually changed absolutely *nothing* relative to Cygwin then your problem lies elsewhere. As for your 'cygwin.bat' file, that's fine. It

Re: Missing DocBook XML DTD

2004-10-28 Thread Yaakov Selkowitz
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jani Tiainen wrote: | Better late than ever... I compiled scrollkeeper, since Planner project | management application needs that for something. Soon we will have | project management software (like MSProject) working under Cygwin. I will soon be

cron won't execute tasks

2004-10-28 Thread Robert Pollard
Hello all, This problem is driving me insane (I don't have far to go ;-). Configuration: Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition, quad processor, 12 GB RAM. Just downloaded Cygwin a few days ago. So, it should be the latest. The possible root cause: BTW, I am trying to run cron as a service. Our IT

Re: Reg. Turning off Event Log Messaging

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
Piyush, Please make sure your mailer respects the Reply-To: header -- I set it for a reason. More below. On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, piyush lowalekar wrote: Hi, Thanks for your reply. I have tried using the command but got the following message cygrunsrv: Error installing a service:

Re: cron won't execute tasks

2004-10-28 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004, Robert Pollard wrote: Hello all, This problem is driving me insane (I don't have far to go ;-). [snip] The problem: Cron will not execute every minute now. I have a scheduled task that does something like * * * * * /bin/echo Test /dev/null 1/TestAct.log It doesn't

Re: How to install a individual package

2004-10-28 Thread Yin Ming
On Thu, 28 Oct 2004 18:07:41 -0400 Buchbinder, Barry (NIH/NIAID) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:07 PM, Yin Ming wrote: But, the version of vim package is too new, it's 6.3-1, but my cygwin is only 1.9.10-1 ( the version of cygwin package ). Must I update the

Re: cron won't execute tasks

2004-10-28 Thread Larry Hall
At 08:22 PM 10/28/2004, you wrote: Hello all, This problem is driving me insane (I don't have far to go ;-). Configuration: Windows 2003 Enterprise Edition, quad processor, 12 GB RAM. Just downloaded Cygwin a few days ago. So, it should be the latest. The possible root cause: BTW, I am

RE: Shiny Icon

2004-10-28 Thread Gary R. Van Sickle
Nick wrote: Hey all. I made this shiny 32-bit 48x48 icon for Win XP, which you're free to use if you like that kind of thing. I just found that with the rest of my desktop being high-colour with drop shadows, that the Cygwin icon looked a bit plain. Have fun.

Re: pipe data form windows program to cygwin program

2004-10-28 Thread Bob Byrnes
| Are you *sure* that you have closed *all* of the write handles to the pipe? | If any write handles remain open, then EOF won't be delivered to the | read side of the pipe. i think i did, but even if i didn't the fact that the program exit normally will close all open handles under