Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-30 Thread Al Slater
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Lloyd Wood wrote: >> Actually it's minging to rhyme with singing, as anyone who has watched >> Little Britain or Catherine Tate's show should know. > > Ah, that would be the BBC's "received pronunciation" take on the term. Well, its the same pronun

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup [Attn gcc maintainer]

2006-04-29 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 04:46:31PM +, Eric Blake wrote: >However, I feel that the output of gcc -v is not entirely freeform, because >part of it is also used in gcc --version. In this recent autoconf thread, >http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/autoconf/2006-04/msg00116.html, >it was pointed out

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup [Attn gcc maintainer]

2006-04-29 Thread Eric Blake
Dave Korn wrote: > > (Why #define says __CYGWIN__ and gcc -v says something else is > > silly.) > > No it isn't. Your assumption that the two have to be in some way related is > silly. As is attempting to parse the output from "gcc -v" to detect a given > target rather than using one of the p

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 03:39:14PM -0400, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote: >Brian Dessent wrote: >>Lloyd Wood wrote: >> >>>If you don't install any of the gcc-mingw- upgrade stuff (devel tab >>>in Cygwin), you only want ONE compiler. >> >>It's not possible to install one without the other, at least not w

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
Brian Dessent wrote: Lloyd Wood wrote: If you don't install any of the gcc-mingw- upgrade stuff (devel tab in Cygwin), you only want ONE compiler. It's not possible to install one without the other, at least not without overriding setup.exe's wishes, because gcc-core includes gcc-mingw-core o

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Brian Dessent
Lloyd Wood wrote: > If you don't install any of the gcc-mingw- upgrade stuff (devel tab > in Cygwin), you only want ONE compiler. It's not possible to install one without the other, at least not without overriding setup.exe's wishes, because gcc-core includes gcc-mingw-core on the "requries" line

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 17:44 +0100, you wrote: On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: >> If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use >> "-dumpmachine" instead. >> >> $ gcc -dumpmachine >> i686-pc

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)
Lloyd Wood wrote: At Friday 2006-04-28 18:16 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: On 28 April 2006 18:04, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 17:44 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >> On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> >>> At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: If y

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 18:16 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: On 28 April 2006 18:04, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 17:44 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >> On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> >>> At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: If you need to find out

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 18:04, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 17:44 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >> On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> >>> At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 17:44 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: >> If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use >> "-dumpmachine" instead. >> >> $ gcc -dumpmachine >> i

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 17:07, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: >> If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use >> "-dumpmachine" instead. >> >> $ gcc -dumpmachine >> i686-pc-cygwin >> $ gcc -dumpmachine -mno-cygwin >>

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 11:45 -0400, Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\) wrote: If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use "-dumpmachine" instead. $ gcc -dumpmachine i686-pc-cygwin $ gcc -dumpmachine -mno-cygwin i686-pc-mingw32 Having identification behaviour dependent on

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Williams, Gerald S \(Jerry\)
If you need to find out what gcc is targeting, perhaps you should use "-dumpmachine" instead. $ gcc -dumpmachine i686-pc-cygwin $ gcc -dumpmachine -mno-cygwin i686-pc-mingw32 Lloyd Wood wrote: > cygming, not cygwin? ('ming' is a strong insult in the UK. I get > the impression the writer doesn

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 16:17, Lloyd Wood wrote: > (Get over yourself.) You are the one who believes that reality should be changed to match your false assumptions about the intent of "gcc -v". You are also the one who has publicly accused Gerrit et al of committing an act of massive unprofessionali

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 04:17:14PM +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote: >At Friday 2006-04-28 16:01 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >>On 28 April 2006 15:45, Lloyd Wood wrote: >> >>> At Friday 2006-04-28 15:11 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: perhaps we can answer some questions for you about the recent changes to d_

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 12:29:52PM +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote: >It's awfully tempting to conclude that the compiler is screwing you >around (because the compiler's authors have been screwing it around, >because they hate Cygwin?), and you might want to to try an earlier >version of that. I also won

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 16:01 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: On 28 April 2006 15:45, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 15:11 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >> perhaps we can answer some questions >> for you about the recent changes to d_ino under cygwin? > > So, something has changed after all? If you

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 15:45, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 15:11 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >> perhaps we can answer some questions >> for you about the recent changes to d_ino under cygwin? > > So, something has changed after all? If you don't read *carefully* and with attention to detail,

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 15:17 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: > __CYGWIN__ is defined for gcc; gcc -v should report 'cygwin special'. > I do not recommend changing the environment to __CYGMING__ to match > in a further attempt at humour. > > If you want people to use the information you provide rationally,

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 15:42, Lloyd Wood wrote: > At Friday 2006-04-28 15:17 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: >>> If you want people to use the information you provide rationally, do >>> not colour that information with irrational attempts at humour to >>> provide misinformation that causes doubt. >>> >>> We ne

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 15:11 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: perhaps we can answer some questions for you about the recent changes to d_ino under cygwin? So, something has changed after all? Perhaps you could just point me at a document detailing those changes to d_ino that you mention? L. -- Unsubs

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 15:17 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: > If you want people to use the information you provide rationally, do > not colour that information with irrational attempts at humour to > provide misinformation that causes doubt. > > We need to trust the output of gcc -v. No, this is compl

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 15:04, Lloyd Wood wrote: [most of what I want to say is in the response I just sent before I just received this reply, so I'm only going to reiterate one single *very* important point]. > Clearer, and backwardly compatible, would be a gcc version report of > something like: > gcc

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 14:35, Lloyd Wood wrote: > __CYGWIN__ is still valid under gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special), > as this test shows: You really need to read some manuals, as you wouldn't have to do things like this if you had read about the -dM option. (You also wouldn't have led yourself up

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
At Friday 2006-04-28 12:46 +0100, Dave Korn wrote: > > cygming, not cygwin? ('ming' is a strong insult in the UK. > > Yes, and we also do tongue-in-cheek humour quite well. Well, at least some > of us do. humour is intended to generate an emotional response - laughter. >> I get the impression

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
__CYGWIN__ is still valid under gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special), as this test shows: #include int main(void) { printf("hello. Testing defines.\n"); #if defined(__CYGWIN__) printf("__CYGWIN__"); #endif #if defined(__CYGMING__) printf("__CYGMING__"); #endif } [EMAIL PROTECTED] /home/llo

RE: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Dave Korn
On 28 April 2006 12:30, Lloyd Wood wrote: > cygming, not cygwin? ('ming' is a strong insult in the UK. Yes, and we also do tongue-in-cheek humour quite well. Well, at least some of us do. > I get the impression the writer doesn't like cygwin.) Who precisely do you suppose "the writer" w

Re: Geomview & Cygwin setup

2006-04-28 Thread Lloyd Wood
(adding in the geomview and cygwin lists.) Chris, Looking at the changes in: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/geomview/geomview/src/bin/animate/glob.c there are specific fixes for Cygwin portability that have been included in Geomview 1.8.2 alpha that affect d_ino use; try changing the se