Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-03-29 Thread Reini Urban
Harold L Hunt II schrieb: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but since SFU comes with a great (and free) X Server, I am throwing in the towel. As I see it it doesn't come with a free X-Server. It comes with some xlib's but not with the server. There's the Starnet and the Hummingbird

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-19 Thread Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:29:53AM +0100, S. L. wrote: [...] It would be rather interesting to add nfs to cygwin. We could develop filesystem plug-ins which could be generalized for stuff like NFS, EXTFS, etc. Didn't someone say they had a free month? Perfect project. :-)

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-19 Thread linda w
FYI: The 3.0 version went up for the cost of the CD a few months ago so I ordered a copy -- was a disk hog, so eventually removed it. But few things: It always has to have the interix subsystem proces running to do anything. In typical MS fashion, it setup and started demons for all

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-17 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 16 11:24, Doug VanLeuven wrote: Corinna Vinschen wrote: Even though it allows mapping between UNIX user names (from the evil other side) and Windows user names, it doesn't map the POSIX permission bits into NTFS like permissions. If you look into the file property box, you'll see no

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Laurent Vaucher
Unfortunately, PMTU discovery doesn't work over avian carrier. Sending out bigger and bigger packets until you find the size that makes the carrier choke was banned by the humane society But it's a good way to make pate It reminds me of a Calvin Hobbes strip where Calvin and his

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Ronald Landheer-Cieslak
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:36:17PM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 15 00:38, Chris January wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider range of tools. We'll

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread S. L.
[...] It would be rather interesting to add nfs to cygwin. We could develop filesystem plug-ins which could be generalized for stuff like NFS, EXTFS, etc. Didn't someone say they had a free month? Perfect project. :-) Actually, I'd already been thinking about it - I think I'll be

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Joaquin
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but since SFU comes with a great (and free) X Server, I am throwing in the towel. Harold I am very curious about SFU. But, alas, I am mistrustful of MS, especially in regards to security. I'll probaly play with both. I also like supporting

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Joaquin
/NIAID); [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge Who knows for sure what the *real* driving force that is behind this change. However, it is timed very closely (concurrently?) with MS's extension of 98, 98SE, and Me support through Fall 2006. The current buzz

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Benito Mourelo Caldeiro
From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jan 16 11:36:06 2004 Mailing-List: contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]; run by ezmlm To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge On Jan 15 00:38, Chris January wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Joaquin
So, where do you get the license? I picked up SFU30 from LinuxWorld, but it was an eval. Is there a place to get free licenses, downloads, etc. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation:

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Gerrit P. Haase
Joaquin wrote: So, where do you get the license? I picked up SFU30 from LinuxWorld, but it was an eval. Is there a place to get free licenses, downloads, etc. There is the SFU-3.5beta available from the MS SFU site for free. Gerrit -- =^..^=

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-16 Thread Doug VanLeuven
Corinna Vinschen wrote: On Jan 15 00:38, Chris January wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Harold L. Hunt, II writes: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but since SFU comes with a great (and free) X Server, I am throwing in the towel. Thanks for your great work! Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL PROTECTED] | GNU LilyPond - The music typesetter http://www.xs4all.nl/~jantien

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: Harold L. Hunt, II writes: Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but since SFU comes with a great (and free) X Server, I am throwing in the towel. Thanks for your great work! Jan. Jan, I don't know that I would call it great work since I think I am now in the

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Harold L. Hunt, II writes: I don't know that I would call it great work since I think I am now in the running for the worst received joke of 2004 :) Sorry, don't take it too hard; chances are I'll send another silly reply to someone else before long :) Jan. -- Jan Nieuwenhuizen [EMAIL

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Chris Telting
Buchbinder, Barry wrote: Does this mean that that MS finds that Cygwin (and U/Win, MKS, et al.) is a threat? Or that they were not making much from SFU but cannot drop it for various reasons, so are going for brownie points? The motivation is probably so that they can realease other unix

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Greg Freemyer
On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 20:35, Brian Dessent wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: One thing that Cygwin does lack, and SFU has, is an NFS client :-/ I know that alone will probably entice me into taking a look at SFU. It would be rather interesting to add nfs to cygwin. We could develop

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Robb, Sam
With carrier pigeon 1.0, the beak is so small you have to dis-assemble/re-assemble the IP packets. Carrier pigeon 2.0 has a bigger beak and can hold a full packet. Unfortunately the evolutionary process is goin slow. Maybe within a couple of millenium. Have you thought about using

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Robb, Sam wrote: With carrier pigeon 1.0, the beak is so small you have to dis-assemble/re-assemble the IP packets. Carrier pigeon 2.0 has a bigger beak and can hold a full packet. Unfortunately the evolutionary process is goin slow. Maybe within a couple of

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Dave Korn
[apologies to Greg for hitting the wrong reply button and dumping this in his personal inbox when it was meant for the list] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Freemyer On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 20:35, Brian Dessent wrote: Ooh,

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Dave Korn wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 20:35, Brian Dessent wrote: Ooh, ooh! Somebody port KDE's Kioslave feature to Cygwin. Then I'll finally be able to mount as a drive letter that ISO9660 image on my remote Appletalk share that's tunneled through ssh through

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Peter A. Castro wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Dave Korn wrote: On Wed, 2004-01-14 at 20:35, Brian Dessent wrote: Ooh, ooh! Somebody port KDE's Kioslave feature to Cygwin. Then I'll finally be able to mount as a drive letter that ISO9660 image on my remote

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 02:58:17PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: Unfortunately, IP-over-cheetah can only handle short stretches of huge bandwidth communication, and then the network goes down and the connections need to be reset... And the power requirements are a little messy... cgf --

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Shankar Unni
Andrew DeFaria wrote: Last I checked SFU's NFS was just DiskAccess and the POSIX was merely a 30-day trial of MKS. 30-day trial? It's actually a subset of the MKS toolkit, but is not 30-day restricted in any way. Previously, if you paid the $99, you got most of what you would need anyway. Now

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Shankar Unni
Larry Hall wrote: The current buzz on this change was that MS was afraid too many orphaned 98 users (currently 25% of Windows users) might defect to Linux rather than upgrade [...] Oooh. I wonder what they were smoking. I seriously doubt even a tiny fraction of those users would even *think*

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Larry Hall
At 04:21 PM 1/15/2004, Shankar Unni you wrote: Larry Hall wrote: The current buzz on this change was that MS was afraid too many orphaned 98 users (currently 25% of Windows users) might defect to Linux rather than upgrade [...] Oooh. I wonder what they were smoking. I seriously doubt even a

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 02:58:17PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: Unfortunately, IP-over-cheetah can only handle short stretches of huge bandwidth communication, and then the network goes down and the connections need to be reset... And that's

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-15 Thread Joshua Daniel Franklin
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:10:57PM -0500, Igor Pechtchanski wrote: On Thu, 15 Jan 2004, Robb, Sam wrote: With carrier pigeon 1.0, the beak is so small you have to dis-assemble/re-assemble the IP packets. Carrier pigeon 2.0 has a bigger beak and can hold a full packet.

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Larry Hall
Actually, this has always been a potential issue, since SFU has been around for a while. The biggest conflicts, beyond path clashes which we unequivocally state must be resolved by putting Cygwin first in the path, are likely to be services. But, so far, we haven't seen lots of complaints

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Larry Hall
At 04:26 PM 1/14/2004, Robb, Sam you wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider range of tools. We'll see what happens though. One thing that Cygwin does lack, and

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider range of tools. We'll see what happens though. One thing that Cygwin

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Harold L Hunt II
Well, I don't know about the rest of you, but since SFU comes with a great (and free) X Server, I am throwing in the towel. Harold Larry Hall wrote: Actually, this has always been a potential issue, since SFU has been around for a while. The biggest conflicts, beyond path clashes which we

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Larry Hall
Who knows for sure what the *real* driving force that is behind this change. However, it is timed very closely (concurrently?) with MS's extension of 98, 98SE, and Me support through Fall 2006. The current buzz on this change was that MS was afraid too many orphaned 98 users (currently 25% of

RE: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Chris January
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider range of tools. We'll see what happens though. One thing that

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Brian Dessent
Christopher Faylor wrote: One thing that Cygwin does lack, and SFU has, is an NFS client :-/ I know that alone will probably entice me into taking a look at SFU. It would be rather interesting to add nfs to cygwin. We could develop filesystem plug-ins which could be generalized for stuff

Re: MS offers Services For Unix free of charge

2004-01-14 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Chris January wrote: On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 04:26:03PM -0500, Robb, Sam wrote: But beyond curiosity, there's not many reasons to install and use both, at least concurrently. Cygwin and SFU both address the same needs and Cygwin covers a wider range of tools. We'll see what happens though. One