Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-18 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Sep 17, 2007 at 06:29:27PM -0500, Matthew Woehlke wrote: Andrew DeFaria wrote: IOW what's the advantage of an sftp client over just plain scp? Directory listings. Unless I miss something, it's hard to scp a file when you don't already know its path. PLEASE. This thread has lasted

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Thorsten Kampe wrote: Andrew, please, stop it. Why? Because I disagree with you? Do you really don't understand the difference between a simple command line tool like scp and a client that offers extended functionality?! Yes I understand the difference. What I don't understand is the

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Thorsten Kampe wrote: This is no flaming war. It's just nonsense to say everything I can do with foo I can do with bar, too. Actually, no, it's not nonsense at all. In fact it's a very good argument! Of course you can do everything you can do with mutt also with telnet to port 110. It's not

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: [snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \ | | \ | | O | +---+ Too bad nobody polices such things. Does your reader of choice lack functionality for skipping a particular thread that you

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:09:41PM -0700, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Gary R. Van Sickle wrote: [snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \ | | \ | | O | +---+ Too bad nobody polices such things. Does your

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Christopher Faylor wrote: Gary's evaluation of the situation was correct. This thread has devolved into an uninteresting argument about whether sftp is useful to you or not. What you don't seem to be getting is that no one besides you finds this very interesting. Give it a rest please. The

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-17 Thread Matthew Woehlke
Andrew DeFaria wrote: IOW what's the advantage of an sftp client over just plain scp? Directory listings. Unless I miss something, it's hard to scp a file when you don't already know its path. -- Matthew It's impossible! But... do-able. -- Robert MacDougal (Sean Connery, Entrapment) --

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-16 Thread Igor Peshansky
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Robert Kiesling wrote: [snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \| | \ | |O | +---+ Neat. Where can I download one of those? At

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Sep 16, 2007 at 11:10:57PM -0400, Igor Peshansky wrote: On Sat, 15 Sep 2007, Robert Kiesling wrote: [snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \| | \ | |O |

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Andrew DeFaria (Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:19:00 -0700) DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp gives you a familiar FTP shell; it is not just a command you run I understand that. you can list the files on the remote system and make decisions about what files you want instead of requiring that knowledge

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Markus E L
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:19:00 -0700) DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp gives you a familiar FTP shell; it is not just a command you run I understand that. you can list the files on the remote system and make decisions about what files you want instead of

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Robert Kiesling
[ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] * Andrew DeFaria (Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:19:00 -0700) DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp gives you a familiar FTP shell; it is not just a command you run I understand that. you can list the files on the remote system and make decisions about what

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Robert Kiesling (Sat, 15 Sep 2007 10:57:32 -0400 (EDT)) * Andrew DeFaria (Fri, 14 Sep 2007 18:19:00 -0700) DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp gives you a familiar FTP shell; it is not just a command you run I understand that. you can list the files on the remote system and make

RE: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Gary R. Van Sickle
[snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \| | \ | |O | +---+ Too bad nobody polices such things. -- Gary R. Van Sickle -- Unsubscribe info:

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-15 Thread Robert Kiesling
[snip] Cygwin Content-O-Meter(tm), as of a few dozen posts in this thread ago: +---+ | 0% 100% | | \ | | \| | \ | |O | +---+ Neat. Where can I download one of those? -- Ctalk Home Page: http://ctalk-lang.sourceforge.net --

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:53:25 -0700) Much less than the possibility of scp being present. And I'm not necessarily against the idea of well go out and get a working copy of these programs but often clients do not give consultants that privilege. If your

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
On 9/14/07, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:53:25 -0700) Much less than the possibility of scp being present. And I'm not necessarily against the idea of well go out and get a working copy of these programs but often clients do not give

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
On 9/14/07, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Thorsten Kampe wrote: - - - - - cut - - - - - Command line tool. IOW why go through the bother to set up an sftp server (I assume that needs to be set up) and picking and getting an - - - - - cut - - - - - vi /etc/sshd_config uncomment line: Subsystem sftp

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread Andrew DeFaria
DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp provides you with an FTP command set where scp does not that's about the only thing I can think of that makes a difference; seems like a compelling reason if you are going to be doing complex transfers, but if you are more familiar and comfortable with scp, then

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread DePriest, Jason R.
On 9/14/07, Andrew DeFaria wrote: DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp provides you with an FTP command set where scp does not that's about the only thing I can think of that makes a difference; seems like a compelling reason if you are going to be doing complex transfers, but if you are

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-14 Thread Andrew DeFaria
DePriest, Jason R. wrote: sftp gives you a familiar FTP shell; it is not just a command you run I understand that. you can list the files on the remote system and make decisions about what files you want instead of requiring that knowledge beforehand Simple. Just ssh remotemachine ls /path.

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-13 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:49:49 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:48:58 -0700) John J. Culkin wrote: I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable bit is removed.

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-13 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:49:49 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:48:58 -0700) John J. Culkin wrote: I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable

RE: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-13 Thread Dave Korn
On 12 September 2007 15:44, John J. Culkin wrote: Hello I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable bit is removed. This prevents me from uploading a new version of the file. The files are owned by the SFTP

RE: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-13 Thread Dave Korn
On 13 September 2007 16:53, Andrew DeFaria wrote: I guess I'm saying is that if yafc, lftp and SpeedCommander can do sftp then scp will also work (no?). No. snip self-serving justification for not answering OP's question in any shape or form based on this non-sequitur cheers,

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-13 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Andrew DeFaria (Thu, 13 Sep 2007 08:53:25 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 22:49:49 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:48:58 -0700) What is sftp good for? I mean what does it have over say... scp? You can use your

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew DeFaria
John J. Culkin wrote: Hello I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable bit is removed. This prevents me from uploading a new version of the file. The files are owned by the SFTP user. Any Ideas? No ideas but a

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:48:58 -0700) John J. Culkin wrote: I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable bit is removed. This prevents me from uploading a new version of the file. The files are

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Brian Dessent
Thorsten Kampe wrote: No ideas but a question. What is sftp good for? I mean what does it have over say... scp? You can use your favourite FTP client, right?! No, that's ftps. sftp is a protocol on top of a ssh session like scp. Brian -- Unsubscribe info:

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Brian Dessent (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 10:38:51 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: No ideas but a question. What is sftp good for? I mean what does it have over say... scp? You can use your favourite FTP client, right?! No, that's ftps. sftp is a protocol on top of a ssh session like scp.

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Brian Dessent
Thorsten Kampe wrote: No, that's ftps. sftp is a protocol on top of a ssh session like scp. Aah, you mean I'm only dreaming when I connect to my ssh server with my favourite commandline FTP clients like lftp and yafc? Time to stop taking all these heavy hallucinogens... Sigh. No, it

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Thorsten Kampe
* Brian Dessent (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 11:50:07 -0700) Thorsten Kampe wrote: No, that's ftps. sftp is a protocol on top of a ssh session like scp. Aah, you mean I'm only dreaming when I connect to my ssh server with my favourite commandline FTP clients like lftp and yafc? Time to stop

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Brian Dessent
Thorsten Kampe wrote: I didn't imply that - by pure magic - any FTP client is also able to speak SFTP. By the way that's also true for FTPS, right?! You may not have meant to imply that, but you said you can use your favorite FTP client without any further qualification whatsoever. Someone

Re: sftp removing writable bit

2007-09-12 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Thorsten Kampe wrote: * Andrew DeFaria (Wed, 12 Sep 2007 08:48:58 -0700) John J. Culkin wrote: I am seeing an issue with Cygwin's sftp. It seems that after I upload a file that overwrites an existing file, the writable bit is removed. This prevents me from uploading a new version of the file.