Question about yacc linking on new mingw-w64 cygwin patch.

2010-01-12 Thread Renaud Meunier
Dear all, I am trying to build gcc using cygwin on my new win64 machine. I have downloaded the latest mingw code (mingw-w64-trunk-snapshot-20091222.tar.bz2) and followed the instruction in mingw-w64-howto-build.txt. However I have the following error: gengtype-parse.c:952: undefined reference

Re: Question about yacc linking on new mingw-w64 cygwin patch.

2010-01-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 03:22:24PM -, Renaud Meunier wrote: I am trying to build gcc using cygwin on my new win64 machine. I have downloaded the latest mingw code (mingw-w64-trunk-snapshot-20091222.tar.bz2) and followed the instruction in mingw-w64-howto-build.txt. However I have the

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-07 Thread Warren Young
, so either do that on your system, too, or change all /c to /cygdrive/c. I alias 'make' to 'mingw32-make' to hide the Cygwin make. MinGW make has some Windows/DOS quirks in it that I happen to need. (This is why they give it a different name, by the way.) I habitually type 'make' so I can't

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-07 Thread Mark
Cheers everyone for all you help and comments, it's really appreciated. All the best Mark -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ:

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, May 05, 2008 at 06:37:35PM -0700, Tim Prince wrote: Mark Hanlon wrote: Hello, I am trying to building Lilypond from source using cygwin (Some parts of the lilypond source have to be changed so that is why I can't download the binary :( I am using the configure script supplied

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Mark Hanlon
Hello, Thanks to both of you for replying. I had always just thought that mingw was a compiler that I could use in cygwin environment, and that there would be some wee config trick that I could get it to pick up flex and guile libraries. Am I being super thick? Cheers Mark

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 10:55:58PM +, Mark Hanlon wrote: Hello, Thanks to both of you for replying. I had always just thought that mingw was a compiler that I could use in cygwin environment, and that there would be some wee config trick that I could get it to pick up flex and guile

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Mark
Lovely, thanks for that, nice to feel included. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html Documentation: http://cygwin.com/docs.html FAQ: http://cygwin.com/faq/

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Christopher Faylor
about modifying your path it usually refers to programs not libraries. Your initial assumption that you could just use a mingw compiler to produce cygwin code or that you could mix and match mingw and cygwin libraries and objects (it isn't clear which you were assuming) is wrong and has been

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Mark
Thanks Christopher, Sorry I did take it a wee bit personally, cheers for clarifying :) At the moment I'm out of my depth with the whole cygwin mingw stuff. I had thought that by modifying my etc/profile to pick up mingw istead of the GCC bundled in cygwin I would still be able to use

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Brian Dessent
Mark wrote: At the moment I'm out of my depth with the whole cygwin mingw stuff. I had thought that by modifying my etc/profile to pick up mingw istead of the GCC bundled in cygwin I would still be able to use the cygwin environment but just have mingw do the compiling (doing GCC --version

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Bob Rossi
in this case. Hi Brian, I've been wondering about this. Why is it necessary to cross-compile from cygwin to mingw when the cygwin environment has the native mingw compiler? To me, it seems like if the mingw compiler is capable of running in the build environment, it should just be called and work

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-06 Thread Brian Dessent
Bob Rossi wrote: I've been wondering about this. Why is it necessary to cross-compile from cygwin to mingw when the cygwin environment has the native mingw compiler? To me, it seems like if the mingw compiler is capable of running in the build environment, it should just be called and work

Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-05 Thread Mark Hanlon
Hello, I am trying to building Lilypond from source using cygwin (Some parts of the lilypond source have to be changed so that is why I can't download the binary :( I am using the configure script supplied with Lilypond. Unfortunately, Lilypond requires GCC 4.0 and above, so I have downloaded

Re: Newbie needs help using mingw with cygwin

2008-05-05 Thread Tim Prince
Mark Hanlon wrote: Hello, I am trying to building Lilypond from source using cygwin (Some parts of the lilypond source have to be changed so that is why I can't download the binary :( I am using the configure script supplied with Lilypond. Unfortunately, Lilypond requires GCC 4.0 and above,

trying to build with MinGW under cygwin, but no luck, can't find dllcrt2.o

2006-06-02 Thread Ed Hartnett
Howdy all! I am trying to build my libtool-based library package on Cygwin, with the -mno-cygwin option. However, I am getting the following problem: libtool: link: cc -shared .libs/attr.o .libs/ncx.o .libs/putget.o .libs/dim.o .libs/error.o .libs/libvers.o .libs/nc.o .libs/string.o

Re: trying to build with MinGW under cygwin, but no luck, can't find dllcrt2.o

2006-06-02 Thread Brian Dessent
found by non-Cygwin apps. A mingw DLL should be named libnetcdf-1.dll. So this makes me think libtool is confused and thinks you're trying to build a native package. Second, dllcrt2.o is a mingw startup file and should be present in /usr/lib/mingw. If not then you certainly have an installation

Is mingw* from cygwin the same as real mingw.org?

2005-04-30 Thread Mariusz Gniazdowski
Hi. I am not sure: - are mingw* packages from cygwin the same as from mingw.org but just adapted to fit into cygwin environment, - or are they complete different from mingw.org? I know that FAQ says: This is not to be confused with 'MinGW' (Minimalist GNU for Windows), which is a completely

mingw and cygwin

2005-01-25 Thread Carlo Florendo
of the unpacked project I'd like to be able to build the cdrtools under mingw. Is it possible for me to just change all references to gcc to gcc -mno-cygwin and run make (assuming, of course that both the native cygwin and native mingw libraries exist)? 2. Is there a one-to-one correspondence between

Re: difference between mingw and cygwin-mingw

2004-04-04 Thread Larry Hall
At 11:38 PM 4/2/2004, you wrote: Folks, what is the difference between vanilla mingw and the one shipped with cygwin? in particular, what is the difference between the gcc compiler flavors? See http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2004-04/msg00111.html. -- Larry Hall

difference between mingw and cygwin-mingw

2004-04-02 Thread Hans Horn
Folks, what is the difference between vanilla mingw and the one shipped with cygwin? in particular, what is the difference between the gcc compiler flavors? thx, Hans -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports: http://cygwin.com/problems.html

Re: OT: Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-16 Thread Paul G.
On 13 Oct 2003 at 23:13, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 05:35:38PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: Mingw is not included with Msys. Msys can use and is capable of _recognizing_, Mingw. Msys != Mingw. Msys does not need Mingw to develop anything. Mingw and Msys are OT for this

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-14 Thread Lapo Luchini
Edward Peschko wrote: discourtesy expressed in your attitude pissed me off and it is not at all professional. CGF is not harsh, he's just trying to apply CygWin's motto WJM, in his own personal way IDD, as he is the CygWin RCM, after all... OK, apart from trying to break the ice (or the

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-14 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 10:19:08PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: [snip] Do not send me personal email about cygwin again. [snip] You hold the keys to some sort of power, the power to enter the developer's list, the power to patch cygwin

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-14 Thread Christopher Faylor
the directions. The problem was that he wanted to argue with me when I mentioned that I didn't consider his plans to be cygwin-developers worthy. It was pretty obvious that his knowledge base on cygwin and mingw was missing important bits and would benefit from some distributed disabusement

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Edward Peschko wrote: As for needing two dev environments, you been instructed how to use cygwin to compile to both, so I must conclude you are not actually trying to comprehend the emails, just arguing for the sake of it. That is exactly my point. if cygwin can do both, and cygwin can create

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
__VERSION__ 3.2.3 (mingw special 20030504-1) #define __declspec(x) __attribute__((x)) mingw cygwin gcc -mno-cygwin -dM -e -xc /dev/null cygwin #define __DBL_MIN_EXP__ (-1021) #define __FLT_MIN__ 1.17549435e-38F #define _WIN32 1 #define _X86_ 1 #define __CHAR_BIT__ 8 #define

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Andrew DeFaria wrote: The only way I think you can truly accomplish what you want is to effectively do all the work that Cygwin has already done, by hand, recoding it so as not to be stealing, and release your runtime license free or on the Artist license like Perl. You'd

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
would need this magic dll but you'd be freed from the licensing requirements. or, basically take all the patches that mingw32 has done, and reintegrate them into cygwin under a MINGW or NO_CYGWIN flavor. Ed -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe-simple Problem reports

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Are you just saying that the version of MingW in Cygwin is old and needs to be patched to come up to date? You seem to want something in the middle (which is understandable but which, AFAICT, doesn't exist). You want to be able to use a Unix-like environment and code Unix-like symantics yet produce

RE: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Robert McNulty Junior
, October 13, 2003 3:35 PM To: Andrew DeFaria Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: merging mingw and cygwin I, like others, think that you are just looking at this sideways. If I compile a program with MingW it is to produce a Windows only executable totally unaware of Cygwin, Posix or anything

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
would be by merging it. Maybe the MingW package in Cygwin needs to be updated, however, I fail to see the need for a MINGW or NO_CYGWIN flavor aside from what currently exists (i.e. -mno-cygwin). Because gcc is not the only place that has MINGW-isms in it; msys departs from the cygwin standard

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Danny Smith
for gcc and binutils is not an iceberg. If the large packages built in mingw are tested via mingw, then mingw is the only real way to a 'proper' win32 executable. And the only way to truly emulate mingw32 would be by merging it. Wrong. I can build binutils for mingw with cygwin gcc -mno

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew DeFaria
way to truly emulate mingw32 would be by merging it. We can speculate from now until forever but until and unless you try it you'll never know for sure. Let us know how you make out... Maybe the MingW package in Cygwin needs to be updated, however, I fail to see the need for a MINGW

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
. Coordinate releases of mingw and cygwin, and the version issues go away. msys != mingw. mingw doesn't need msys. Cygwin provides a more complete building and testing environment than does msys. ... and I was told point blank by the mingw mailing list not to use them. In fact, I did try to use

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Lapo Luchini
because I have a personal bias. .. so why not bring the nice user friendly experience of cygwin to mingw and let it piggy back off of cygwin's work? I guess you replied yourself, in the last paragraph... I know nothing of MingW except what I read on this mailing list and their website

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
building. rm, ln, etc. They work differently than cygwin tools. MINGW and/or NO_CYGWIN simply wrap all of this up in a nice user friendly package. Let us know how your first implementation of this concept goes... Is this an OK from the developers of cygwin to do an implementation

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Brian Ford
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: And anyways, the version numbers in itself are enough to warrant a merge. Coordinate releases of mingw and cygwin, and the version issues go away. Cygwin itself doesn't coordinate releases. By that I mean Cygwin, w32api, gcc, mingw gcc, etc

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Lapo Luchini
Brian Ford wrote: Each is updated on its own schedule. ...which can be described as MAX(upstream release time, next free moment of the volunteer package mantainer) + RANDOM(-10, +100) so it cannot be predicted, either. It worked fairly well insofar, though. -- Lapo 'Raist' Luchini [EMAIL

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Edward Peschko wrote: Like I said, I'm not worried about my specific applications. I want cygwin to transparently and with no fuss - and correctly - build third party APIs, so I can properly link with them (and debug them if necessary). All I can say is what I've heard many others say, which

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Larry Hall
is the group of tools that comes with mingw32 to facilitate building. rm, ln, etc. They work differently than cygwin tools. MINGW and/or NO_CYGWIN simply wrap all of this up in a nice user friendly package. Let us know how your first implementation of this concept goes... Is this an OK from

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 05:48:47PM -0500, Brian Ford wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: And anyways, the version numbers in itself are enough to warrant a merge. Coordinate releases of mingw and cygwin, and the version issues go away. Cygwin itself doesn't coordinate

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
The answer is - the Cygwin team is under no obligation to accept patches to Cygwin to do anything. Patches are accepted and merged based on merit of the patch and adherence with Cygwin standards. If your patch passes these hurdles, it will be accepted. If not, it will be rejected (with

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Paul G.
speak from experience on this, being someone who develops using Cygwin (with and w/o -mno-cygwin), Mingw and Msys on a very regular basis (maintaining all of those ports for two or three, functionally different, APIs). Paul G. -- Unsubscribe info: http://cygwin.com/ml/#unsubscribe

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Igor Pechtchanski
On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: The answer is - the Cygwin team is under no obligation to accept patches to Cygwin to do anything. Patches are accepted and merged based on merit of the patch and adherence with Cygwin standards. If your patch passes these hurdles, it will be

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Larry Hall
At 07:52 PM 10/13/2003, Edward Peschko you wrote: The answer is - the Cygwin team is under no obligation to accept patches to Cygwin to do anything. Patches are accepted and merged based on merit of the patch and adherence with Cygwin standards. If your patch passes these hurdles, it will

OT: Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Paul G.
keeping in mind what someone else said about flame wars... On 13 Oct 2003 at 15:45, Edward Peschko wrote: Just because they are available does not mean you need to use them! Look I asked you if you were able to build Windows only applications using -mno-cygwin. You failed to answer that

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
Fair enough, but you *can* 'pre' approve entrance to the developer's list. Remember, you try to subscribe and you get asked four questions? You don't need to be on the Cygwin developers list to create patches for Cygwin or play around with the code. Patches can be submitted either to

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Larry Hall
At 08:44 PM 10/13/2003, Edward Peschko you wrote: Fair enough, but you *can* 'pre' approve entrance to the developer's list. Remember, you try to subscribe and you get asked four questions? You don't need to be on the Cygwin developers list to create patches for Cygwin or play around with

Re: OT: Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 05:35:38PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: Mingw is not included with Msys. Msys can use and is capable of _recognizing_, Mingw. Msys != Mingw. Msys does not need Mingw to develop anything. Mingw and Msys are OT for this list. Bingo. Paul is right. Also Mingw doesn't need Msys

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 05:48:47PM -0500, Brian Ford wrote: On Mon, 13 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: And anyways, the version numbers in itself are enough to warrant a merge. Coordinate releases of mingw and cygwin, and the version issues go away. Cygwin itself doesn't coordinate releases

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-13 Thread Edward Peschko
On Mon, Oct 13, 2003 at 10:19:08PM -0400, Christopher Faylor wrote: Apparently you decided to bcc me on this email. IIRC, I asked not to receive personal email from you on this subject. I suggested that you continue your discussion in the cygwin mailing list and it should be obvious to

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Daniel Reed
On 2003-10-11T22:19-0700, Edward Peschko wrote: ) And all of these are done separately, so of course no integration testing is done to ) make sure that these work together well.. If you would like to coordinate such an audit/review of overall interoperability, I do not believe anyone would

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Edward Peschko
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 03:35:02PM +1000, Robert Collins wrote: For crying out loud. Edward, there are plenty of archives and resources that detail how to achieve your stated goals. Right now you are making suggestions from a quite apparent position of ignorance. I urge you to research

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Larry Hall
, or if they require a POSIX sublayer. Ultimately, I'd like to use whatever executables I get out of cygwin in conjunction with VC++ and third party win32 APIs. (horrors!) I'm sorry. Who said this couldn't be done with either Cygwin or Mingw? You're seeing issues that don't exist. I guess I wasn't

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Edward Peschko
. Wayne Keen Right.. all good points, but all minor barriers to overcome. All you would have to do is put an 'install mingw subset' button on setup.exe, and it would well, install a mingw subset and put cygwin in 'mingw mode'. It sure would beat the install process for mingw right now, which

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Larry Hall
. No fuss, no muss, relatively lightweight download. Wayne Keen Right.. all good points, but all minor barriers to overcome. All you would have to do is put an 'install mingw subset' button on setup.exe, and it would well, install a mingw subset and put cygwin in 'mingw mode'. Not true. Cygwin

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Paul G.
Does the author of this reply have a problem with someone else knowing what they are talking about? On 12 Oct 2003 at 0:36, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:16:41PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: Msys is derived from Cygwin. However, it does not have the overhead that Cygwin

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Paul G.
. No fuss, no muss, relatively lightweight download. Wayne Keen Right.. all good points, but all minor barriers to overcome. All you would have to do is put an 'install mingw subset' button on setup.exe, and it would well, install a mingw subset and put cygwin in 'mingw mode'. It sure

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:47:18PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: On 12 Oct 2003 at 15:41, Edward Peschko wrote: It sure would beat the install process for mingw right now, which is a manual horror right now involving the download and installation of several, separate packages in different directories.

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Paul G.
On 12 Oct 2003 at 20:10, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:47:18PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: On 12 Oct 2003 at 15:41, Edward Peschko wrote: It sure would beat the install process for mingw right now, which is a manual horror right now involving the download and installation

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Edward Peschko
Umm..you might want to mention this on the Mingw users list...though it appears you haven't looked at the files that are available for download there (in terms of Mingw), specifically http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=2435. He already mentioned this in the mingw-users

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-12 Thread Larry Hall
At 08:56 PM 10/12/2003, Paul G. you wrote: On 12 Oct 2003 at 20:10, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sun, Oct 12, 2003 at 04:47:18PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: On 12 Oct 2003 at 15:41, Edward Peschko wrote: It sure would beat the install process for mingw right now, which is a manual horror right

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Larry Hall
At 08:16 PM 10/10/2003, Edward Peschko you wrote: hey, I've been playing around with mingw and cygwin, and was wondering why these were separate projects? I've been trying to get a unix API moved over to windows; I want a Unix environment, but at the same time want to be able to make Win32

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Edward Peschko
://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC if you think there's something else that could be done to make this better. Cygwin and Mingw are both open-source projects. If working well together is 'remembering which of 2 gccs to use, which of 2 rms to use which of two lns to use, which of two shells to use, the fact

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Frédéric L. W. Meunier
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003, Edward Peschko wrote: (pps - 'screen' - as per 4.0.1, just gained cygwin support. You might want to add that to your list of cygwin packages.) I don't see any Cygwin support in 4.0.1. Where did you read it ? There's nothing in patchlevel.h (which details the changes),

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Paul G.
On 11 Oct 2003 at 19:01, Edward Peschko wrote: What would be the point? lack of end-user confusion... elimination of duplicate development effort... elimination of duplicate maintenance effort... the ability to compile all unix tools 'native' win32 for those who desire it.

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 08:16:33PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: On 11 Oct 2003 at 19:01, Edward Peschko wrote: What would be the point? lack of end-user confusion... elimination of duplicate development effort... elimination of duplicate maintenance effort... the ability to compile all unix tools

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Paul G.
yup. Msys is derived from Cygwin. However, it does not have the overhead that Cygwin does, nor does Msys support the posix/unixy stuff that Cygwin does...nor should it. Paul G. On 12 Oct 2003 at 0:08, Christopher Faylor wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 08:16:33PM -0700, Paul

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Paul G.
and rm, for example) so its hard to use one with the other; and its got to be a maintenance nightmare to support separate patches for mingw and separate patches for cygwin. Mingw requires a different runtime than does Cygwin. Mingw is short for Minimalist-Gnu for Windows. It's

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Larry Hall (RFK Partners, Inc)
you chose to edit the original context down to nothing. Your response makes little sense now. They already work well together. Of course, http://cygwin.com/acronyms/#PTC if you think there's something else that could be done to make this better. Cygwin and Mingw are both open-source

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Oct 11, 2003 at 09:16:41PM -0700, Paul G. wrote: Msys is derived from Cygwin. However, it does not have the overhead that Cygwin does, nor does Msys support the posix/unixy stuff that Cygwin does...nor should it. You keep saying overhead as if you know what you're talking about. Either

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Mike Fahlbusch
At 09:46 AM 11/10/2003, you wrote: I've been playing around with mingw and cygwin, and was wondering why these were separate projects? I've been trying to get a unix API moved over to windows; I want a Unix environment, cygwin is the answer but at the same time want to be able to make Win32

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Edward Peschko
are *much* better) You don't understand what the main difference is between Cygwin and Mingw do you? Have you checked? OK, I'll tell you. Cygwin provides a POSIX emulation layer (I assume that means something to you if your stated yes, I understand all of this. goal of bringing something

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Edward Peschko
without the IDE then use mingw32. Although it can compile either -mconsole programs (using printf) or -mwindows programs (using the win32 API) it's not a *nix environment. *nix programs can't usually be compiled with it unless they are text-only console programs. But it has many *nix

Re: merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-11 Thread Robert Collins
. mingw aka the MSVCRT runtime can be cross compiled to from cygwin, from linux, from BSD etc etc etc. and both support native compilation (cygwin- cygwin, mingw-mingw). As for needing two dev environments, you been instructed how to use cygwin to compile to both, so I must conclude you

merging mingw and cygwin

2003-10-10 Thread Edward Peschko
hey, I've been playing around with mingw and cygwin, and was wondering why these were separate projects? I've been trying to get a unix API moved over to windows; I want a Unix environment, but at the same time want to be able to make Win32 native binaries, *without* the need of the cygwin

RE: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Richard Campbell
Impractical. As I said, almost 100% of people won't want 100% of packages. It might be interesting to poll in some way, considering how often this comes up. I suspect more than almost 0% might want a 1-button, overnight-style install. Frankly, this odd method only makes the slightest sense in

Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Max Bowsher
Richard Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Impractical. As I said, almost 100% of people won't want 100% of packages. It might be interesting to poll in some way, considering how often this comes up. I suspect more than almost 0% might want a 1-button, overnight-style install. This doesn't

RE: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Richard Campbell
Impractical. As I said, almost 100% of people won't want 100% of packages. This doesn't require one big archive. There is nothing stopping anyone with a slow but flat rate connection from running setup, choosing everything, and letting it get on with it. No argument. I was just addressing the

RE: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Brian Gallew
Richard Campbell said: It might be interesting to poll in some way, considering how often this comes up. I suspect more than almost 0% might want a 1-button, overnight-style install. This is the way I work. I have everything installed except emacs (I built/installed Xemacs long before

Re: [Mingw-users] cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Dec 05, 2002 at 06:17:48PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 05 Dec 2002, Brian Gallew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Disk is cheap. Network bandwidth is cheap. If its all so cheap then download everything and provide the service that you want for everyone else that wants it. I don't recall

RE: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 01:39, Richard Campbell wrote: Impractical. As I said, almost 100% of people won't want 100% of packages. It might be interesting to poll in some way, considering how often this comes up. I suspect more than almost 0% might want a 1-button, overnight-style install.

[FAQ?] Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive?

2002-12-05 Thread Charles Wilson
Robert Collins wrote: Some back-of-a-postcard sums: monolithic install 577MB install. 1 update to a package a week, 1 new 577MB install file created each week. longest period without updating - 2 months. this would mean an average of ~280MB per month downloading updates. modular install

Re: [FAQ?] Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one bigarchive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 10:30, Charles Wilson wrote: Seems pretty clear to me, that for anyone on a slow link, or anyone charged by volume, that the modular install is much more efficient. Faulty analogy. Most users would probably only download the monolithic tarball once, for their

Re: [FAQ?] Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive?

2002-12-05 Thread Charles Wilson
Robert Collins wrote: I'm not about to actively maintain two forms of setup that are so different. And until someone offers to do that, I think it is a reasonable assumption to make that the install form you start with you continue with. Errmm...I musta missed something. I wasn't suggesting

Re: [FAQ?] Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in onebig archive ?

2002-12-05 Thread Robert Collins
On Fri, 2002-12-06 at 11:09, Charles Wilson wrote: Sortof. I assumed ia priori/i that a 557MB tarball is a bad idea. Yep. And the original poster, was asserting that such a tarball is a good idea. Thus my figures to show that it ain't - for the common case. I was not, in any way,

Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-04 Thread Max Bowsher
Igor Gnip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Igor Gnip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote... and I am replying cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 1) You are highly unlikely to want to download every Cygwin package. 2) What would you do to update one package in a hypothetical one-big-file arrangement? Download everything

Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-03 Thread Max Bowsher
Igor Gnip [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I know it does not directly concern mingw-users ... but I need to make some comparisions between mingw32 and cygwin ... and it is very very painfull to download cygwin using their stupit web install program. Q: Does anyone know

Re: [Mingw-users] Cygwin Full download in one big archive ?

2002-12-03 Thread Dockeen
I wonder if folks who ask this question fully realize the meaning of Minimal im MingW. The binary for MingW is about 12 megabytes at last glance. Cygwin, the full package runs many 100's of Megabytes. So a single archive is plainly untenable. The nature of Cygwin is flexible, so the setup allows

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-26 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Peter A. Castro wrote: No, the example above is from the command line in which *you* specified -I../../include -I/usr/include -I/usr/include/mingw. Sorry I misunderstood you. Didn't really want to have to sign up for yet another account on another mailing list, yadda, yadda. It seemed to

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and Cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Max Bowsher wrote: Peter A. Castro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 23 Nov 2002, Max Bowsher wrote: $ gcc -g foo.c -mno-cygwin -mwindows -o foo -liberty -lmingw32 $ ./foo.exe x Hello World 2 $ cat x Hello World How odd. I get the stderr output just fine.

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and Cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: What you show below is only linking. I believe you need to re-compile all of your source with -mno-cygwin -mwindows as well to make the _impure_ptr references go away. But I did re-compile all my sources with

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:16:04PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: So the question now is: How do I satisfy my need for getopt and still produce objects without _impure_ptr's? You find some native windows getopt, of course. Ah ha! Yes. Don't include the cygwin headers when you're compiling with

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and Cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: What you show below is only linking. I believe you need to re-compile all of your source with -mno-cygwin -mwindows as well to make the _impure_ptr

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and Cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Peter A. Castro wrote: On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: On Sun, 24 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Peter A. Castro wrote: What you show below is only linking. I believe you need to re-compile all of your source with -mno-cygwin -mwindows

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
[one more for the archives] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:51:38PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: If this were really so then why, if I don't specify -I/usr/include I get getopt.h not found?!? I should be found in /usr/include/getopt.h no? /usr/include is for cygwin apps. If you add -I/usr/include

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Andrew DeFaria
Christopher Faylor wrote: [one more for the archives] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:51:38PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: If this were really so then why, if I don't specify -I/usr/include I get getopt.h not found?!? I should be found in /usr/include/getopt.h no? /usr/include is for cygwin

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:42:43PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: [one more for the archives] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:51:38PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: If this were really so then why, if I don't specify -I/usr/include I get getopt.h not found?!? I should be found

Re: impure_ptr/Mingw and cygwin

2002-11-25 Thread Peter A. Castro
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Andrew DeFaria wrote: Christopher Faylor wrote: [one more for the archives] On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:51:38PM -0800, Andrew DeFaria wrote: If this were really so then why, if I don't specify -I/usr/include I get getopt.h not found?!? I should be found in

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