not able to run emacs!

2010-01-16 Thread Mahesh P
hi!

when i run emacs from the $prompt i am getting the following error.

bash: /usr/bin/emacs: Permission denied

Can you tell me why i am getting the problem

thanks
Mahesh

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Re: not able to run emacs!

2010-01-16 Thread Ken Brown

On 1/16/2010 10:01 AM, Mahesh P wrote:

hi!

when i run emacs from the $prompt i am getting the following error.

bash: /usr/bin/emacs: Permission denied

Can you tell me why i am getting the problem


Wrong mailing list.  Please send your question to cygwin AT cygwin DOT 
com.  And please provide more information, following the guidelines at


  http://cygwin.com/problems.html

Ken


Re: Is anyone looking into the file-in-use setup.exe problems?

2010-01-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:33:34AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:
It seems pretty clear that something is broken in setup's file-in-use
code.

There seems to be recent breakage in that an in-use cygwin1.dll may cause
the whole cygwin package to not be installed.

But there is also, I think, a more fundamental problem.  If you can't
install cygwin then setup.exe should not be attempting to run
post-install scripts since they will likely break.

More generally, if the installation of a package dependency fails then
the package post-install script should probably be delayed into system
reboot.

Do I have this right?  Is anyone thinking about looking into this or
does anyone have any insight into the recent breakage?

I've just fixed a bug that may have been the root cause of this problem.
I could easily reproduce the problem by running a sleep trying to
install.  A retry would succeed but actually cause a bogus file to be
created.  And, a continue would cause similar confusion.  I couldn't
find any problems after my fix was implemented.

There is a new version of setup.exe installed.  If we continue to see
people complaining about missing files I'll investigate further but I
hope this problem is now gone.

cgf


Re: Is anyone looking into the file-in-use setup.exe problems?

2010-01-16 Thread Dave Korn
Christopher Faylor wrote:
 On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:33:34AM -0500, Christopher Faylor wrote:

 Do I have this right?  Is anyone thinking about looking into this or
 does anyone have any insight into the recent breakage?
 
 I've just fixed a bug that may have been the root cause of this problem.

  Thanks.  I'm pretty tied up right now.

cheers,
  DaveK



[RFC] should cygport use peflags?

2010-01-16 Thread Yaakov (Cygwin/X)
Is there any harm in running peflags (-d1 for DLLs, and -t1 for EXEs) on 
Windows pre-Vista?  If not, should I have cygport automatically do this 
for all packages?



Yaakov


Re: Fwd: Can't start X after upgrading to cygwin1.7

2010-01-16 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin X)

On 01/16/2010 12:56 PM, Andrew Senior wrote:

I've had cygwin installed for a year on my Thinkpad T61, running
Windows XP professional, and just ran the latest setup.exe from
cygwin.com.
At installation time there were some complaints about in use files,


http://cygwin.com/ml/cygwin/2010-01/msg00686.html

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src/winsup/cygwin ChangeLog fhandler_socket.cc

2010-01-16 Thread corinna
CVSROOT:/cvs/src
Module name:src
Changes by: cori...@sourceware.org  2010-01-16 10:22:58

Modified files:
winsup/cygwin  : ChangeLog fhandler_socket.cc 

Log message:
* fhandler_socket.cc (fhandler_socket::accept4): Reset async flag
on accepted socket.

Patches:
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.4771r2=1.4772
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/fhandler_socket.cc.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.258r2=1.259



src/winsup/utils ChangeLog cygpath.cc

2010-01-16 Thread corinna
CVSROOT:/cvs/src
Module name:src
Changes by: cori...@sourceware.org  2010-01-16 10:25:58

Modified files:
winsup/utils   : ChangeLog cygpath.cc 

Log message:
* cygpath.cc (get_mixed_name): Drop function.  Replace with call to
convert_slashes throughout.
(do_sysfolders): Free allocated buffer.
(do_pathconv): Fix freeing last buffer.

Patches:
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/utils/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.504r2=1.505
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/utils/cygpath.cc.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.58r2=1.59



src/winsup/cygwin ChangeLog libc/fnmatch.c

2010-01-16 Thread corinna
CVSROOT:/cvs/src
Module name:src
Changes by: cori...@sourceware.org  2010-01-16 15:11:56

Modified files:
winsup/cygwin  : ChangeLog 
winsup/cygwin/libc: fnmatch.c 

Log message:
* libc/fnmatch.c: Replace with multibyte capable version from FreeBSD.

Patches:
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.4772r2=1.4773
http://sources.redhat.com/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/src/winsup/cygwin/libc/fnmatch.c.diff?cvsroot=srcr1=1.3r2=1.4



winsup/doc ChangeLog setup-net.sgml

2010-01-16 Thread cgf
CVSROOT:/cvs/uberbaum
Module name:winsup
Changes by: c...@sourceware.org 2010-01-16 18:06:27

Modified files:
doc: ChangeLog setup-net.sgml 

Log message:
* setup-net.sgml: Remove obsolete assertion.

Patches:
http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/winsup/doc/ChangeLog.diff?cvsroot=uberbaumr1=1.255r2=1.256
http://sourceware.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/winsup/doc/setup-net.sgml.diff?cvsroot=uberbaumr1=1.21r2=1.22



Re: missing setup command line arguments in the FAQ.

2010-01-16 Thread G.W. Haywood
Hi there,

http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#internet-setup

says

Unfortunately setup.exe does not yet support unattended installs.

but

http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.setup.cli

seems to imply that it does, via the '-q' switch.

Which is correct?

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[ANNOUNCEMENT] Updated: stgit 0.15-1 -- Quilt functionality on top of git

2010-01-16 Thread Jari Aalto

PACKAGE DESCRIPTION
===

Homepage: http://procode.org/stgit
License : GPL

Offer similar functionality to quilt i.e. pushing/popping patches
to/from a stack) on top of git. These operations are performed using
git commands and the patches are stored as git commit objects,
allowing easy merging of the stgit patches into other repositories
using standard git functionality.

CHANGES SINCE LAST RELEASE
==

See News at Homepage.

INSTALL OR UPGRADE NOTES


Standard install.

CYGWIN INSTALLATION INFORMATION
===

To install this package, click on the Install Cygwin now link on the
http://cygwin.com/ web page. This downloads setup.exe to your
system. Then, run setup and answer all of the questions. You'll find
the package listed in the All category. After installation, read the
documentation at directories:

/usr/share/doc/package-version/*
/usr/share/doc/Cygwin/package-version.README

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Re: cygpath problem on last snapshot

2010-01-16 Thread Corinna Vinschen
On Jan 15 23:31, Marco Atzeri wrote:
 Hi,
 on latest
 $ uname -v
 20100114 15:57:50
 
 $ cygpath -w /
 C:\cygwin2
 Aborted (core dumped)

Thanks for the report.  I fixed it in CVS.


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Re: git stopped working with 1.7.1

2010-01-16 Thread ol42

It is obviously a problem with LF to CRLF conversion of cygwin. It can be
deacted by inserting the line

CYGWIN=binmode

on top of the cygwin.bat file.

The same issue is happening with CVS. Refer also to

http://www.gjt.org/mlist/jcvs/msg01888.html


Kevin Layer wrote:
 
 Eric Blake e...@byu.net wrote:
 
 Yes, as maintainer of the git package on cygwin, I've seen sporadic
 failures of the git protocol, which I have always ended up working
 around
 by switching over to an http protocol.  I'm assuming that it might
 either
 be BLODA or an actual bug in cygwin1.dll regarding handling of socket
 fds
 across forks, but haven't ever been bothered by it enough to try and
 debug
 it, because the workaround of http always works.
 
 Also, given that other versions of SSH work with the 1.7 git, I would
 think this is pretty good evidence that it's a bug in cygwin1.dll.
 
   Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 14:04:16 -0500
   Message-ID:
 6ee4c8380912311104i1869d73dk818e041f2d8b2...@mail.gmail.com
   Subject: Re: git stopped working with 1.7.1
   From: Brian L. br...@blucz.com
   To: cygwin@cygwin.com
 
   ...
 
   The problem seems to be rooted in cygwin's openssh package. If I point
   GIT_SSH at plink.exe (from the putty distribution) and configure
   pageant properly for keyless login then git works fine.
 
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Re: git stopped working with 1.7.1

2010-01-16 Thread Ken Brown

On 1/16/2010 9:44 AM, ol42 wrote:

CYGWIN=binmode


This is obsolete.  See
http://www.cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/using-cygwinenv.html#cygwinenv-implemented-options

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Re: missing setup command line arguments in the FAQ.

2010-01-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 09:17:24AM +, G.W. Haywood wrote:
Hi there,

http://cygwin.com/cygwin-ug-net/setup-net.html#internet-setup

says

Unfortunately setup.exe does not yet support unattended installs.

but

http://cygwin.com/faq/faq-nochunks.html#faq.setup.cli

seems to imply that it does, via the '-q' switch.

Which is correct?

If only there was some way to tell...

cgf

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Re: bash: /usr/bin/emacs :permission denied

2010-01-16 Thread Ken Brown

On 1/16/2010 12:09 PM, mahesh p wrote:

I tried to switch off autosave in emacs.So i added set set default
autosave to 1 in emacs system file but it didn't work.So i deleted it
from the file.
Now when i try to run emacs from the cygwin console it says bash:
/usr/bin/emacs :permission denied.
I am not able to run emacs now.
I am using emacs 23.


Please send questions to the mailing list, not to me personally.

I don't know what you mean by emacs system file.  But my best guess is 
that you accidentally messed up the permissions on some file.  For 
starters, you could try 'ls -l /usr/bin/emacs*' and see if the 
permissions look right.  Or you could just rerun setup.exe and reinstall 
the emacs package.


Ken

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Cygwin 1.7.1-1 Setup.exe version 2.676 fails to install on Windows 7 x64

2010-01-16 Thread Clinton Goudie-Nice
Greetings,

Cygwin 1.7.1 is failing to install on a relatively clean Windows 7 x64
box. I installed this box today, applied the updates and installed a
minimal amount of other software (MS office 2007, WHS client, the
gimp, inkscribe, pidgin, flash, and acrobat reader). I applied all of
the windows updates to bring the box current, then I tried to install
cygwin.

The cygwin installer hangs at /var/lib/alternatives/.keep-alternatives
for alternatives-1.3.30c-10

When I look in c:\cygwin\var\lib\alternatives, I can see this file
being created and deleted as quickly as possible.

If I exclude (skip) alternatives from my install (and ignore the
associated dependency problems) a similar problem will surface with
/usr/share/groff/1.19.2/tmac/mm/locale. This file is also being
created and deleted as frequently as possible.

If I exclude groff from my install and also ignore the dependency
issues, the install completes without problem and appears on the
surface to be functional.

I noted that some other people on the list had a similar issue with
.keep-alternatives, and through a combination of running as an
administrator, disabling UAC, disabling a dell dll, or disabling
windows defender were able to get past this.

This is not a dell box and I have not installed any dell apps.
I had windows defender enabled and then later disabled windows defender.
I tried running the installer with UAC disabled and then UAC enabled.
I've run setup.exe as an administrator (right click-run as
administrator) and as my regular user (that is also an administrator)

None of this helped this issue.

I finally disabled windows defender, disabled UAC, and booted Win 7 in
safe mode with networking support, and ran setup.exe as an
administrator. It still would not install these two packages.

It's also worth nothing that after a successful install of cygwin
without these two packages, attempting to add those packages to the
install by running setup.exe again results in the same problems
installing them.

Attached is the cygcheck.out from cygcheck -s -v -r  cygcheck.out

Thanks for your help,

Clinton Goudie-Nice


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Re: Cygwin 1.7.1-1 Setup.exe version 2.676 fails to install on Windows 7 x64

2010-01-16 Thread Sven Köhler
Am 17.01.2010 01:07, schrieb Clinton Goudie-Nice:
 Greetings,
 
 Cygwin 1.7.1 is failing to install on a relatively clean Windows 7 x64
 box. I installed this box today, applied the updates and installed a
 minimal amount of other software (MS office 2007, WHS client, the
 gimp, inkscribe, pidgin, flash, and acrobat reader). I applied all of
 the windows updates to bring the box current, then I tried to install
 cygwin.
 
 The cygwin installer hangs at /var/lib/alternatives/.keep-alternatives
 for alternatives-1.3.30c-10

Same problem here.


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Xwin and urxvt-X quit when copy selection

2010-01-16 Thread Lenik

1, Specify -clipboard option to Xwin.exe
2, Open an urxvt-X window
3, Mouse drag and select a text range
4, Then urxvt-X is silently terminated, and Xwin process is terminated, 
too (the selection wasn't copied)
Welcome to the XWin X Server
Vendor: The Cygwin/X Project
Release: 1.7.3.0 (10703000)
Build Date: 2009-12-22

Contact: cygwin-xf...@cygwin.com
XWin was started with the following command line:

XWin -multiwindow -clipboard -silent-dup-error -notrayicon 
 -clipboard 

ddxProcessArgument - Initializing default screens
winInitializeDefaultScreens - w 1280 h 1024
winInitializeDefaultScreens - Returning
2010-01-17 08:56:24 _XSERVTransSocketOpenCOTSServer: Unable to open socket for 
inet6
2010-01-17 08:56:24 _XSERVTransOpen: transport open failed for inet6/cls:0
2010-01-17 08:56:24 _XSERVTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to open 
listener for inet6
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winValidateArgs - g_iNumScreens: 1 iMaxConsecutiveScreen: 1
2010-01-17 08:56:25 (II) xorg.conf is not supported
2010-01-17 08:56:25 (II) See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html for 
more information
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winPrefsLoadPreferences: /etc/X11/system.XWinrc
2010-01-17 08:56:25 LoadPreferences: Done parsing the configuration file...
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winGetDisplay: DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winDetectSupportedEngines - Windows NT/2000/XP
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw installed
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw4 installed
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winDetectSupportedEngines - Returning, supported engines 
0007
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winSetEngine - Multi Window or Rootless = ShadowGDI
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winAdjustVideoModeShadowGDI - Using Windows display depth 
of 32 bits per pixel
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winAllocateFBShadowGDI - Creating DIB with width: 1280 
height: 1024 depth: 32
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winFinishScreenInitFB - Masks: 00ff ff00 00ff
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winInitVisualsShadowGDI - Masks 00ff ff00 00ff 
BPRGB 8 d 24 bpp 32
2010-01-17 08:56:25 null screen fn ReparentWindow
2010-01-17 08:56:25 null screen fn RestackWindow
2010-01-17 08:56:25 InitQueue - Calling pthread_mutex_init
2010-01-17 08:56:25 InitQueue - pthread_mutex_init returned
2010-01-17 08:56:25 InitQueue - Calling pthread_cond_init
2010-01-17 08:56:25 InitQueue - pthread_cond_init returned
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winInitMultiWindowWM - Hello
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winInitMultiWindowWM - Calling pthread_mutex_lock ()
2010-01-17 08:56:25 Screen 0 added at XINERAMA coordinate (0,0).
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winMultiWindowXMsgProc - Hello
2010-01-17 08:56:25 winMultiWindowXMsgProc - Calling pthread_mutex_lock ()
2010-01-17 08:56:25 (II) AIGLX: Loaded and initialized 
/usr/lib/dri/swrast_dri.so
2010-01-17 08:56:25 (II) GLX: Initialized DRISWRAST GL provider for screen 0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winPointerWarpCursor - Discarding first warp: 640 512
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (--) 5 mouse buttons found
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (--) Setting autorepeat to delay=500, rate=31
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (--) winConfigKeyboard - Layout: 0409 (0409) 
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (--) Using preset keyboard for English (USA) (409), type 
4
2010-01-17 08:56:30 Rules = base Model = pc105 Layout = us Variant = 
none Options = none
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winInitMultiWindowWM - pthread_mutex_lock () returned.
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winProcEstablishConnection - Hello
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winInitClipboard ()
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winProcEstablishConnection - winInitClipboard returned.
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winClipboardProc - Hello
2010-01-17 08:56:30 DetectUnicodeSupport - Windows NT/2000/XP
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (II) xorg.conf is not supported
2010-01-17 08:56:30 (II) See http://x.cygwin.com/docs/faq/cygwin-x-faq.html for 
more information
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winPrefsLoadPreferences: /etc/X11/system.XWinrc
2010-01-17 08:56:30 LoadPreferences: Done parsing the configuration file...
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winGetDisplay: DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winDetectSupportedEngines - Windows NT/2000/XP
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winGetDisplay: DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winInitMultiWindowWM - pthread_mutex_unlock () returned.
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winClipboardProc - DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winGetDisplay: DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winInitMultiWindowWM - DISPLAY=:0.0
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw installed
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winDetectSupportedEngines - DirectDraw4 installed
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winDetectSupportedEngines - Returning, supported engines 
0007
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winSetEngine - Multi Window or Rootless = ShadowGDI
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winAllocateFBShadowGDI - Creating DIB with width: 1280 
height: 1024 depth: 32
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winFinishScreenInitFB - Masks: 00ff ff00 00ff
2010-01-17 08:56:30 winInitVisualsShadowGDI - Masks 00ff ff00 00ff 
BPRGB 8 d 24 bpp 32
2010-01-17 08:56:30 null screen fn ReparentWindow
2010-01-17 08:56:30 null screen fn RestackWindow

Re: Cygwin 1.7.1-1 Setup.exe version 2.676 fails to install on Windows 7 x64

2010-01-16 Thread Larry Hall (Cygwin)

On 01/16/2010 08:03 PM, Sven Köhler wrote:

Am 17.01.2010 01:07, schrieb Clinton Goudie-Nice:

Greetings,

Cygwin 1.7.1 is failing to install on a relatively clean Windows 7 x64
box. I installed this box today, applied the updates and installed a
minimal amount of other software (MS office 2007, WHS client, the
gimp, inkscribe, pidgin, flash, and acrobat reader). I applied all of
the windows updates to bring the box current, then I tried to install
cygwin.

The cygwin installer hangs at /var/lib/alternatives/.keep-alternatives
for alternatives-1.3.30c-10


Same problem here.


Try again with 2.677.  It's out now.  If you don't get it when you
download from cygwin.com, make sure none of your servers are
caching an old copy.

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Re: Cygwin 1.7.1-1 Setup.exe version 2.676 fails to install on Windows 7 x64

2010-01-16 Thread Christopher Faylor
On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 08:10:47PM -0500, Larry Hall (Cygwin) wrote:
On 01/16/2010 08:03 PM, Sven K??hler wrote:
 Am 17.01.2010 01:07, schrieb Clinton Goudie-Nice:
 Greetings,

 Cygwin 1.7.1 is failing to install on a relatively clean Windows 7 x64
 box. I installed this box today, applied the updates and installed a
 minimal amount of other software (MS office 2007, WHS client, the
 gimp, inkscribe, pidgin, flash, and acrobat reader). I applied all of
 the windows updates to bring the box current, then I tried to install
 cygwin.

 The cygwin installer hangs at /var/lib/alternatives/.keep-alternatives
 for alternatives-1.3.30c-10

 Same problem here.

Try again with 2.677.  It's out now.  If you don't get it when you
download from cygwin.com, make sure none of your servers are
caching an old copy.

Right.  There was a bad version of setup.exe installed (by me) which
failed to install zero-length files like what you see in the
alternatives package.

It's fixed now.

cgf

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can't umount my /pc filesystem

2010-01-16 Thread Paul McFerrin

Folks:

I have an unwanted filesystem (NFS) mounted as /pc that I need to get it 
unmounted ASAP.  Here is the mount output:

a: /a some_fs binary 0 0
/bin /bin some_fs binary 0 0
C: /c some_fs binary 0 0
D: /d some_fs binary 0 0
E: /e some_fs binary 0 0
/etc /etc some_fs binary 0 0
F: /f some_fs binary 0 0
G: /g some_fs binary 0 0
H: /h some_fs binary 0 0
I: /i some_fs binary 0 0
J: /j some_fs binary 0 0
K: /k some_fs binary 0 0
/lib /lib some_fs binary 0 0
M: /m some_fs binary 0 0
\\linda\c /pc some_fs binary 0 0
N: /n some_fs binary 0 0
O: /o some_fs binary 0 0
P: /p some_fs binary 0 0
Q: /q some_fs binary 0 0
/usr /usr some_fs binary 0 0
# This is default anyway:
# none /cygdrive cygdrive binary,posix=0,user 0 0

Whenever I try to umount it, I get the error message:
.$ umount /pc
umount: /pc: Operation not permitted

It HAS BEEN removed (sometimes) from the mount command but I can still 
do a 'cd' to /pc and see my wife's root drive.  How can I make this 
hard-ass /pc filesystem completely be umounted.


I wana stay on my wife's good side.  A few months ago I did some serious 
damage in which I had to do a complete backup restore to get out of 
trouble.  Is the Operation not permitted normal.  The /pc never goes 
away and it always comes up mounted after a reboot.


Even if the /pc is not shown by /etc/fstab, it still showup in a find 
operation.


- paul


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