Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hello! I am sorry to (maybe) destroy your enthusiasm but from my point of view there are some more reasons for not running either gnome or kde on cygwin: The main thing is: they are very large packages and even on my linux box they are that slow, that I prefer just using icewm as window manager and only have kde and gnome installed in case some application needs the libraries. If I start to compare cygwin running under win98 I really can not advise you to run kde or gnome - maybe on NT kernel based machines that is different. Cygwin is (and here the developers have made a real good job - Thanks!) a very good tool if you want to run applications like nedit (which is my favourite editor) and other basic unix routines I really miss under windows - but as any Operating system running on top of another one - it has it`s speed limitations. Another great usage for cygwin is to use it for running xdm sessions or if you have to do admin work on a unix box over the network (it has ssh, sftp and all the other nice tools which windooze does not have). So for me (personal opinion) it is a great (and long expected) extension to that operating systems from Redmond which I am forced to use some times... By the way: I would not even use kde or gnome with linux - but that is MY personal opinion about it. Please do not kill me for it! So again: Thanks to all the developers! Regards, Uwe
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hi, under HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon you create a string value named Shell, and you put what you want in it (cmd.exe for example). May be it could be used to load CygWin ? I haven't tried it that way. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: RE: KDE (or gnome) From: Splatter van Upchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What else runs under XFree then? My windows development environment (for Win32 code, not cygwin code). I use Icewm for my window manager, Vi (vim) is my editor of choice, gnu make is much better that nmake that ships with visual studio. You can always invoke win32 apps from cygwin (some even appear on my icewm tool bar). If you want a web browser, office apps etc then you may as well just use the native windows one - they work well. Cygwin comes in when I want a sane development environment, a nice shell (bash or cmd.exe - hum, tough choice ;)) and that feeling that I'm working with and not fighting against my environment. Xfree86 also makes a good Xterminal for unix machines. With a few of the patches that have gone in over the last month and native clipboard support coming soon (if I knew how to hook into the XEvent queue then merging xwinclip and Xwin would be high on my list of things to do) it's very usable and free (unlike eXceed, XWin32 etc). Here's a question - can I stop windows from loading explorer on startup and get it to load Xfree86 instead? I know you could do this under Win95 - is it still possible under 2000 ? Stuart
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Hi, it replaces explorer.exe (which is not lauched at all with this key present). In my example (cmd.exe), you just have a CMD window. It's really usefull if your explorer is causing trouble a startup. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 1:10 PM Subject: Re: KDE (or gnome) is the program that is named here laucnhed after winnt logon or is it replacing it ? HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon you create a string value named Shell, and you put what you want in it (cmd.exe for example). May be it could be used to load CygWin ? I haven't tried it that way. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Stuart Adamson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Splatter van Upchuck ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:21 AM Subject: RE: KDE (or gnome) From: Splatter van Upchuck [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] What else runs under XFree then? My windows development environment (for Win32 code, not cygwin code). I use Icewm for my window manager, Vi (vim) is my editor of choice, gnu make is much better that nmake that ships with visual studio. You can always invoke win32 apps from cygwin (some even appear on my icewm tool bar). If you want a web browser, office apps etc then you may as well just use the native windows one - they work well. Cygwin comes in when I want a sane development environment, a nice shell (bash or cmd.exe - hum, tough choice ;)) and that feeling that I'm working with and not fighting against my environment. Xfree86 also makes a good Xterminal for unix machines. With a few of the patches that have gone in over the last month and native clipboard support coming soon (if I knew how to hook into the XEvent queue then merging xwinclip and Xwin would be high on my list of things to do) it's very usable and free (unlike eXceed, XWin32 etc). Here's a question - can I stop windows from loading explorer on startup and get it to load Xfree86 instead? I know you could do this under Win95 - is it still possible under 2000 ? Stuart ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: KDE (or gnome)
Il me semble que c'est une dll qui gere ca (msgina.dll). Mais la, tu vas changer pour tous les utilisateurs. Il existe des remplacement de cette DLL avec des ajouts. Par contre, si tu veux changer le logon pour avoir le logon Unix a la place ... ce n'est pas tout a fait gagne ;-) A+ . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) - Original Message - From: Sylvain Petreolle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: 'cygx ' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 2:24 PM Subject: Re: KDE (or gnome) ceci dit, si je veux me débarasser du logon Winnt classique, y a t il un moyen ? (je n'arrive pas encore à cerner le role de explorer.exe par rapport au login sur la machine.) --- Francis VIVAT [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : Hi, it replaces explorer.exe (which is not lauched at all with this key present). In my example (cmd.exe), you just have a CMD window. It's really usefull if your explorer is causing trouble a startup. CU . \)|(/ . (o o) . /-ooO(_)Ooo-\ .(_| Francis VIVAT | . |CETP-CNRS | . | 10-12, avenue de l'Europe 78140 Velizy | . | Tel: +33 1 3925 4780 | . | Fax: +33 1 3925 4922 |_ . | E-Mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] | ) . \---/ .(_) (_) ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse @yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] xwinclip Test 04 (Cygwin/XFree86 and Windows clipboard integration)
Feedback, I need feedback. I need someone who regularly experiences a xwinclip-Test03 causing another Windows application to become unresponsive or slow to test xwinclip-Test04 and tell me (on the mailing list) if xwinclip-Test04 corrects this behavior or not. Once I know that xwinclip-Test04 is better than xwinclip-Test03 I can start working on a way around stealing ownership of the X selection and bringing the clipboard integration into XWin.exe. The sooner the better, Harold
Key modifiers in TWM.
Hello,
I can't get TWM to recognize at least a few key modifiers: control, shift,
meta. I am working in /etc/X11/twm/system.twmrc. TWM picks up other
modifications to that file, but not the standard Button{1,2,3} bindings (it
seems).
To no avail, I tried using xmodmap to make explicit the Meta assignment to
the left Alt key, i.e. 'xmodmap -e keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L', in
/usr/X11R6/bin/startxwin.sh just after XWin.exe. 'xev' show that the
assignment was active.
The Alt key seemed to work out-of-the-box some time ago (can't say when).
Should it work like this today?
I am using XWin-Test04 and the latest xfree86 packages (twm) available
through cygwin's setup.exe.
Regards,
Vince Virgilio
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Re: Installation Q's
Elena, i am mising /usr/bin dirrectory In Windows Explorer you will not always see a c:\cygwin\usr\bin directory. Cygwin stores its binaries in c:\cygwin\bin and /usr/bin is just a link to /bin. Thus, in a Cygwin bash shell if you do an `ls /usr/bin' you'll see the contents of c:\cygwin\bin. Make sense? Good. Do you know if inetutils Common networking utilities and servers is included in a subset of programms for default installation? You need to manually select inetutils in order to get telnet. Heh... look more closely at the User's Guide. On this page: http://xfree86.cygwin.com/docs/ug/setup-cygwin-downloading.html it says: The default selection of packages should be okay for most users. However, you may wish to ensure that the inetutils and openssh packages are selected if you wish to use telnet and ssh to connect to remote machines. Harold
Re: Bug in WindowMaker?
Marcus Vinicius Eiffle Duarte wrote: Hi, folks! I just downloaded Cygwin 1.3.10, which comes with XFree 4 binaries and a few window managers (TWM, FVWM, WindowMaker and OpenBox). After installing Cygwin, I altered startxwin.bat to load WindowMaker instead of TWM (the default window manager). However, when WindowMaker loads and drwas the Clip on the screen, I get a fatal error Window Maker received signal 11. The message also says This fatal error occured probably due to a bug. What is signal 11? Has anybody ran into this bug? I am using Windows 2000 SP2, in Portuguese. I can't say that it's the same reason but I get the same error number if I try to run several screens at the same time XWin -screen 1 640 480 -screen 0 640 480
Re: Xfree and DECwindows
Dave, Some simple questions first, since you didn't mention them. 1) Did you run 'xhost %my_vms_hostname_or_ip_address' in a Cygwin/XFree86 xterm before launching an app on VMS? 2) Have you tried running XWin.exe with the -ac (no authentication) parameter as a test? That should give you a start. Harold Dave Barlow [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Folks Anyone out there got any experience making Xfree86 V4.2.0 work with OpenVMS V6.2 and DECwindows? From reading around Google searches I gather there is a xf86cfg and/or accessx program that heps set up .Xauthority properly. Unfortunately I can not seem to find this on the copy I just installed on Win NT and XP. The problem I have is that after setting up my display variable and starting an xterm, $SET DISP/CREATE/NODE=node/TRANSPORT=TCPIP and $CRE/TERM/DET in DCL, it returns 'cannot open display'. Digging around a little further it looks like my PC is rejecting the connection, error is 'connection rejected by node'. At first I thought this was because xauth was not configured properly. Unfortunately this older version of DECWindows does not support 'xauth generate' I noticed from Google that some one has configured XFree86 to use DECWindows so this is possible. Unfortunately I can't see what the magic button is that I have to push. My works, rather shockingly, has decided to adopt open source software in order to reduce costs. It's an airline so costs are a big deal at the moment. They have chosen Xfree86 as the preferred replacement to Exceed but no one appears to have tested it against VMS. Any one willing to deliver a clue by four? Dave or a LART Barlow
xwinclip test 4 freezes XWindows
details start XWin with xwinclip all seems well copy and paste between xterm and MS Word a couple of times (both ways) all seems well leave it running for about 30 minutes go back to my xterm and highlight a block of text xfree86 freezes if I kill xwinclip, it's fine again. scott _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
Re: KeyboardTestLayout - See if we can get an automatic translation of scan codes
Hi Harold! I need some non-U.S. keyboard testers to run this test program and send their output to the list. You'll need to feed the test program's window some key presses. Be sure to press some general keys such as 'a', 'enter', 'left arrow', etc. as well as some non-standard keys like 'AltGr+1', etc. Atached you find the log for some keys on a german keyboard. Volker KeyboardLayoutTest - Checking if the scan code sent with WM_KEYDOWN/WM_SYSKEYDOWN is the same as that returned by MapVirtualKeyEx when passed the handle to the current keyboard layout gotten by a call to GetKeyboardLayout. KeyboardLayoutTest - Current keyboard layout name: 0407 Locale name: German key name: A vk: 65 msg_sc: 30 mvk_sc: 30 key name: Eingabetaste vk: 13 msg_sc: 28 mvk_sc: 28 key name: Nach-Links-Taste vk: 37 msg_sc: 75 mvk_sc: 75 key name: Strg vk: 17 msg_sc: 29 mvk_sc: 29 key name: Alt rechts vk: 18 msg_sc: 56 mvk_sc: 56 key name: 1 vk: 49 msg_sc: 2 mvk_sc: 2 key name: Strg vk: 17 msg_sc: 29 mvk_sc: 29 key name: Alt rechts vk: 18 msg_sc: 56 mvk_sc: 56 key name: Q vk: 81 msg_sc: 16 mvk_sc: 16 key name: ß (Tex: \s) vk: 219 msg_sc: 12 mvk_sc: 12 key name: Ö (Tex: \O) vk: 192 msg_sc: 39 mvk_sc: 39 key name: Ä (Tex: \A) vk: 222 msg_sc: 40 mvk_sc: 40 key name: Strg vk: 17 msg_sc: 29 mvk_sc: 29 key name: Alt rechts vk: 18 msg_sc: 56 mvk_sc: 56 key name: E vk: 69 msg_sc: 18 mvk_sc: 18 key name: Eingabetaste vk: 13 msg_sc: 28 mvk_sc: 28
Re: xwinclip test 4 freezes XWindows
Scott, Did xwinclip-Test03 lack this functionality? Or, is xwinclip-Test04 the first version that you have used? Harold s h [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: details start XWin with xwinclip all seems well copy and paste between xterm and MS Word a couple of times (both ways) all seems well leave it running for about 30 minutes go back to my xterm and highlight a block of text xfree86 freezes if I kill xwinclip, it's fine again. scott _ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com
setxkbmap twice
Hi, looking in the mail archives I found that setxkbmap is needed to setup the keyboard layout. so I created a ~/.xinitrc like this : . /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc setxkbmap -layout fr It seems to function (no error message on console) but my keyboard is US. if I issue 'setxkbmap -layout fr' once, I get : Couldn't interpret _XKB_RULES_NAMES property Use defaults:rules - 'xfree86' model - 'pc101' layout - 'us' if I issue it a second time, I get no message and the layout is set up. Comments ? ___ Do You Yahoo!? -- Une adresse yahoo.fr gratuite et en français ! Yahoo! Mail : http://fr.mail.yahoo.com
Re: Trivial Feature Request: beep()
On my system the I get the beep through the speakers. The default beep is enabled in the control panel. The funny thing though, similarly to Harold I get different pitches, I get a high-pitched beep from the cmd.exe that sounds like a pc speaker but is coming from soundcard but from bash I get the sound I defined in the control panel. There was a thread on this before in cygwin list and more than once. Does not really relate to the XFree but I thought I'd mention it, maybe it is related somehow. There is one with Subject: 'Beeping' from 16/03/2002 on how to turn beeping OFF for readline (echo set bell-style none ~.inputrc), for vi (:set vb) and HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Control Panel\Sound\Beep registry key which I think would be toggled by the control panel anyway but still would not hurt to check. My rxvt does not beep because I run it with -vb option (no visual bell). There is same option for xterm. Could this be somehow related to the problem? I cannot check because my xfree is older than the packaged ones and does not beep at all. Eugene. - Original Message - From: Brian Gallew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2002 11:59 PM Subject: Trivial Feature Request: beep() Is it possible to make the X11 bell work? xset q tells me the bell should be ringing, but I can't seem to get it to work.
